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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: Berrik Radhok on 25/07/2006 19:50:19
The Abbadon is garbage. No one will be able to use it for any serious sort of fleet fighting or NPCing as it won't be able to use tachs for a useful amount of time and it won't be able to repair itself and use guns at the same time.
Amarr gets ****** again! GG CCP!
Why couldn't you just have made it follow the Cruficier/Arbitrator line and made it an armor tanking ECM drone boat? That would actually allow it to fulfill a decent niche in the Amarr line of battle.
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:51:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Berrik Radhok
The Abbadon is garbage. No one will be able to use it for any serious sort of fleet fighting or NPCing as it won't be able to use tachs for a useful amount of time and it won't be able to repair itself and use guns at the same time.
Congratulations, you've just ruled out the roles of the Geddon and Apoc!
Now realise there's more to EVE than fleet battles and NPC'ing, and you'll see the Abaddon's niche. 
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mahavy Seth
Originally by: Deadeye Dave
Ok so this thing has major capacitor problems. They need the reduction in Energy Turret use however if they were to remove the resist bonus it would just be an Armageddon and if they were to remove the RoF bonus it would be an Apocalypse. Thats what I'm thinking anyway.
It is so simple! give dmage and ROF bonus! It will make worthy to use cap booster. At least when I finish cap booster, there will be so many death meat near me.
How about 5% damage and 20% reduction of stacking penalty? 
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KALEN ACHURAN
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: KALEN ACHURAN on 25/07/2006 19:53:56
Yesss I am soo excited... Caldari get another f0cking amazing ship.
*Amarr character for sale cheap!*
Time to remake as Caldari this was the final straw for me... I think Tux has said f0ck you Amarr 15 too many times now. The abbadon will do so much better without lasers. it will be an "ok-ish" ship if you rig it with art cannons. but even then without any bonus (except resistances) aiding it will become just another fun floating target for other races to shoot at. Man is Amarr f0cked in the arse...
doh posting with my New Super Amazing Caldari character my bad...
*please let a covert ops ship use a covert ops cloaking device...It just makes sense*
*Bombers need baby love too*
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Ather Ialeas
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:53:00 -
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Copied from the blog feedback thread:
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Ok i did some calculations :)
ABADDON:
Maxed skills, 8x mega pulse t2 + 2x heat sink t2
It uses 69 cap per second to sustain guns
Now heavy electrochemical injector gives 66per second...
Zomg - i need 2 injectors O_O
'nuff said tbh
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Deva Blackfire
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dixon
How overpowered would that ship be without the crazy cap consumtion? I think this ship is the best thing amarr players could ask for... I'm buying one as soon as they get released
Best thing? I guess you either dont play amarr or are just blind.
Maxed skills + 8x megapulse t2 + 2x heatsing t2 = cap consumption of 69 PER SECOND. You know that it is more than one injector can give you? You need 2 injectors to actually run this setup if you include single rep.
Ah maybe passive tank (like in fleet?): yes - with tachys you use 102 cap per second now :) 2x injector minimum :)
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Deadeye Dave
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:54:00 -
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Its funny that the Dev Blog hasn't been out very long but already people are saying the Caldari BS is overpowered and the Amarrian BS is underpowered.
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Dixon
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Dixon
How overpowered would that ship be without the crazy cap consumtion? I think this ship is the best thing amarr players could ask for... I'm buying one as soon as they get released
Best thing? I guess you either dont play amarr or are just blind.
Maxed skills + 8x megapulse t2 + 2x heatsing t2 = cap consumption of 69 PER SECOND. You know that it is more than one injector can give you? You need 2 injectors to actually run this setup if you include single rep.
Ah maybe passive tank (like in fleet?): yes - with tachys you use 102 cap per second now :) 2x injector minimum :)
Oh damn, I am both blind and I have never ever used an amarr ship... you win 
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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Berrik Radhok
The Abbadon is garbage. No one will be able to use it for any serious sort of fleet fighting or NPCing as it won't be able to use tachs for a useful amount of time and it won't be able to repair itself and use guns at the same time.
Congratulations, you've just ruled out the roles of the Geddon and Apoc!
Now realise there's more to EVE than fleet battles and NPC'ing, and you'll see the Abaddon's niche.
Was going to write the same. I'm quite happy Gallente didn't get yet another Fleet or NPCing ship.
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Deadeye Dave
Its funny that the Dev Blog hasn't been out very long but already people are saying the Caldari BS is overpowered and the Amarrian BS is underpowered.
Because it is. I wouldn't be suprised if the new Caldari BS could hit 200km with T1 guns.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Dixon
How overpowered would that ship be without the crazy cap consumtion? I think this ship is the best thing amarr players could ask for... I'm buying one as soon as they get released
Best thing? I guess you either dont play amarr or are just blind.
Maxed skills + 8x megapulse t2 + 2x heatsing t2 = cap consumption of 69 PER SECOND. You know that it is more than one injector can give you? You need 2 injectors to actually run this setup if you include single rep.
Ah maybe passive tank (like in fleet?): yes - with tachys you use 102 cap per second now :) 2x injector minimum :)
Wouldnt the ability to sustain that dps indefinently be extreamly overpowered?
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Krulla
Amarrians get the PERFECT gankship and still whine?
Do you people just whine on principle or..? 
yeah perfect gankship that runs dry in less then 30sec against a raven or a mega that can tank the dmg aswell as dish it out.
while the abbadon pilot can only do one thing.
but it will be great as a AC boat :)
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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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Deva Blackfire
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:02:00 -
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Its DPS is not that much compared to Geddon - only 14% more (excluding drones cause we dont know anything abt drone bay).
BUT: cap usage is 100% more (maxed skills ofc).
14% more damage for doubling cap usage? Wonder if gally users would go for it?
And geddons runs pretty well (tank+gank) with single injector... Wouldnt be surprised if geddon could beat this toy without bigger problems.
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Tsun Lao
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dixon
Originally by: Mahavy Seth
This ship is already broken.
Make the math... cap consumption will be absurd... you cannot run a repairer and fire...
How overpowered would that ship be without the crazy cap consumtion? I think this ship is the best thing amarr players could ask for... I'm buying one as soon as they get released
YEAH THEY HAVE NO REASON TO WHINE, BECAUSE IM SURE THEY GET ENOUGH PG TO FIT SMALL ARMOUR REPAIRER II!!!
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Dixon
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:05:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Ather Ialeas
Copied from the blog feedback thread:
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Ok i did some calculations :)
ABADDON:
Maxed skills, 8x mega pulse t2 + 2x heat sink t2
It uses 69 cap per second to sustain guns
Now heavy electrochemical injector gives 66per second...
Zomg - i need 2 injectors O_O
'nuff said tbh
Yeah, nuff said...
So you don't expect this ship to have a capacitor recharge rate? If the guns are using 69cap/sec and the injector is giving 66cap/sec you'll be using 3cap/sec while running guns and the injector. Now I do actually think this ship could deal some nice DPS and with the resist bonus + 8 lows, well I think it will be a great ship.
I hope you ppl seriously start selling your characters and go through some therapy. This massive amarr-whining is just getting annoying. Yeah you have some problems and no this ship doesn't fix them. But this ship is great and if you don't like it, just stick with your geddons
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:06:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Tsun Lao
Originally by: Dixon
Originally by: Mahavy Seth
This ship is already broken.
Make the math... cap consumption will be absurd... you cannot run a repairer and fire...
How overpowered would that ship be without the crazy cap consumtion? I think this ship is the best thing amarr players could ask for... I'm buying one as soon as they get released
YEAH THEY HAVE NO REASON TO WHINE, BECAUSE IM SURE THEY GET ENOUGH PG TO FIT SMALL ARMOUR REPAIRER II!!!
No need to type in all caps mate.
Me personally, I've cancelled my 3 accounts. I just cant be bothered anymore. My main has 25mill sp in amarr, what a waste.
I pay to play this game, the least I should demand is that ccp manages to balance their game. Right now I 'love' this game just as much as I loved the bug hell that was castor.
3 years of up and down, pitty it came to this.
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:08:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Dixon
I hope you ppl seriously start selling your characters and go through some therapy. This massive amarr-whining is just getting annoying.
You dont even fly Amarr you total troll.
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Dixon
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:10:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Imperial Coercion
Originally by: Dixon
I hope you ppl seriously start selling your characters and go through some therapy. This massive amarr-whining is just getting annoying.
You dont even fly Amarr you total troll.
Involved parties:
Name: Dixon (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.8
Alliance: *
Corp: *
Ship: Zealot
Weapon: Heavy Pulse Laser II
... face?
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webkert
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:11:00 -
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This ship will be aswome with gank setup and plates. Im really looking forward to flying it.
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Tonya Nastee
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:12:00 -
[50]
Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Berrik Radhok
The Abbadon is garbage. No one will be able to use it for any serious sort of fleet fighting or NPCing as it won't be able to use tachs for a useful amount of time and it won't be able to repair itself and use guns at the same time.
Congratulations, you've just ruled out the roles of the Geddon and Apoc!
Now realise there's more to EVE than fleet battles and NPC'ing, and you'll see the Abaddon's niche.
QTF
It has other roles to excel at than NPCing (apoc) and fleet battles (geddon)
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gu o
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:12:00 -
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You know I have come to grips with this "new great ship that will end Amarr whines"
*starts training mining level 5
Hot damn this will be the most amazing mining ship to be known. 8 los slots...how many mining upgrades can I fit with 8 miner 2's.
Heres an idea for a fix:
+25% cargo space per level
+10% bonus to mining yeild
man would that be great...a big cargo with 8 expanders... cannot wait.
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:12:00 -
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8 tachy's + injector = nice fleet ship.
we will have to see about the cap of the ship in closerange combat but I am not sure if 1 injector would be enough to keep guns + repper running.
Why not make it a dmg bonus?
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Emeline Cabernet
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:13:00 -
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well.... uhm.... i dont know what to say... shaft?
big shaft? something like that.
well i for 1 will be mounting arty's on this.
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Azerrad
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:14:00 -
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Overpowered tbh. 8 turrets and a RoF bonus for guns that already have their damage bonus built in? Can't wait to see the DPS graphs for this one.
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Trac3rt
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:23:00 -
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Quote:
It has the option of more damage than an Armageddon or a better tank than an Apocalypse. The problem starts however when it tries to do both at once.
I am willing to bet that this means that it will not be able to fit BS guns and a BS sized tank like almost every other T1 Amarr ship.
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Licdy
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:24:00 -
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ok. stop whineing and wait until it comes out there maybe many other changers.
Maybe a skill -5% Energy Turret capacitor use
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webkert
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Azerrad
Overpowered tbh. 8 turrets and a RoF bonus for guns that already have their damage bonus built in? Can't wait to see the DPS graphs for this one.
It will do more damage then a blaster mega with its guns, but we dont know how big the dronebay will be, and it will be very vulnurable to nos/neutralizers unless you run 2 cap injectors.
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Dixon
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Dixon on 25/07/2006 20:27:27
Edited by: Dixon on 25/07/2006 20:26:58
Originally by: Xendie
why anyone would want to use energy weapons on this ship is beyond my comprehension.
Well then I have to question your comprehension...
The ship has a RoF bonus to ... energy weapons? Now why do all amarr-whiners think they're proving some point by saying that they will fit projectiles on Amarr ships (OH NOES TEH HORROR!!). If you want to put projectiles on this ship, feel free to do so - I don't think it will solve your problems.
Now I would like to quote Tuxford, I have highlighted the part that I feel many should read... you know those with bad comprehension.
Originally by: Tuxford
The most obvious thing about this ship is that it isn't getting any energy weapon capacitor need bonus. The bonuses it is getting however are pretty powerful. It has the option of more damage than an Armageddon or a better tank than an Apocalypse. The problem starts however when it tries to do both at once.Slot wise its gonna have 8 turret hardpoints, 8 high slots and 8 low slots. Whether it has one more slot than the Apocalypse isn't really decided but its quite clear that if it does then it will be a med slot.
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Ann Mari
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:25:00 -
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Well ther goes the...
"But you Amarr don't use ammo! You don't have haul boat loads of ammo to ops and POS's etc"
Now we got ammo and exploding crystals...
After 5mil SP, should I train up on Minnie weps, or is it early enough to go over to Caldari completly?
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"The enemy of my enemy, is my friend"
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Grimpak
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:25:00 -
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you know that the ships' stats are not finalized yet.
...what if the abbadon ends up with this capital-sized cap?
oh and btw, tux said that the ship will be able to TANK or GANK, not both.
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Originally by: Jebidus Skari
What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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