Actually... It decreases idle time for capitals, NOW you can take your ship out to rat without having to worry about getting dropped by 200 people. So cap pilots can now do more than just sit at a pos waiting for a fleet.

As far as engagements it's good to see that over all, not everyone will be there. Decrease in power projection and liquidation of coalitions.

Basically, CCP got tired of the coalition's bullcrap.

Excatly... Caps were not meant to be blobed, but what did CFC, PL, BL, and the rest of the big alliances do? Exactly what caps were not meant to do. They did this to themselves, they took advantage of an exploit and abused sov space with it. Now CCP is doing something about this game breaking mechanic and unfortunately it will greatly limit the ability of jumping around a lot. But I'm sure this will be revisited and balanced out. But a door stop had to be placed on the power projection abuse taking place in TQ atm. Enough is enough.

Gonna be a bumpy ride.
I will be collecting relevant comments in this small bag over here, tears in the tanker, over there.
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Oh and if you are quitting may I be the first to ask for at least some of your stuff
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Most people in null hate the current meta however this will not weaken the coalitions, it will do the opposite.

Sure you can take your small fleet out with a big decrease in risk from a Cap Fleet being drop on you, instead you will have a 250+ Subcap fleet with no way to counter it and you will not be able to get any reinforcements in time and you can't attack their home system because it is defended by a massive capital fleet.

Most people in null hate the current meta however this will not weaken the coalitions, it will do the opposite.

Sure you can take your small fleet out with a big decrease in risk from a Cap Fleet being drop on you, instead you will have a 250+ Subcap fleet with no way to counter it and you will not be able to get any reinforcements in time and you can't attack their home system because it is defended by a massive capital fleet.

Excatly... Caps were not meant to be blobed, but what did CFC, PL, BL, and the rest of the big alliances do? Exactly what caps were not meant to do. They did this to themselves, they took advantage of an exploit and abused sov space with it. Now CCP is doing something about this game breaking mechanic and unfortunately it will greatly limit the ability of jumping around a lot. But I'm sure this will be revisited and balanced out. But a door stop had to be placed on the power projection abuse taking place in TQ atm. Enough is enough.

You need to look up the definition of the word exploit.

Also this just shows how many times CCP have introduced a mechanic only to be completely turned around by the player base.

Look back over the last 5 years and with every change they have made who has benefited the most.. CFC / NC / PL

Why, because CCP are hopeless when it comes to trying to figure out what we the players will do.

People forget why Capital Fleets become the new meta.

They came about because it was the only counter to the huge Alpha Battleships that were being used at the time and they massively reduced the time it took to grind structures with millions of EHP.

Sure CCP may make changes to structures but this change does nothing to stop those huge Alpha Battleship fleets making a come back.

Only this time it will be worse.. a lot worse.

for example do you remember what happened when all CFC was fighting in one region ..and some one decided to stab them in the back CFC just opened the checkbook ...

this will happen again and again

you should change your corp name

Here's something I just thought of. Maybe someone attached this to one of the 45 kajillion posts before me but there you go.

So now what if you decide its time for a break from Eve (god forbid)

Those of us who are in null who decide to leave nullsec for awhile and move our assets to lowsec/empire are basically fuckeried in the goatass. How the hell are we supposed to move our assets out now? It will take a month to get out of deep null. Letting my bare ass hang in the breeze is something I dont want to do (it does get sweaty under this robe but lets not go there)

I for one think that this huge sweeping change is one that should be tabled for a later date. Sure, I agree that changes need to be made to sov and to force projection, but this is heavy handed and ill conceived. One change at a time. Jump timers? Sure put that in now. Let us get used to that, let us learn how to deal with that mechanic before you throw a completely new mechanic like fatigue at us. This is just wrong at this point. DO NOT DO THIS

There are other ways that you can slow down force projection, but give us time to get used to it. You will alienate your biggest player group by hog tying, ball-gagging get-the-gimp-and-anal-raping capital pilots. FFS at least give us a little lube first.

And where will that lead to?

Empires will shrink because you can't defend systems far away as easy as of now. Homesystems will be more strengthened.
It's more difficult to wipe out someone else completely but it leaves more space for new and smaller groups with their concentrated local force.

Mission accomplished

Regarding those alpha fleets...you will loose them to the local capital fleets.
Who wants to travel every evening a lot of jumps in a fat and slow bs? Your logistics won't be able to bring unlimited replacements to every point on the map within minutes

So, earlier this year I had to abandon my business plan to bring minerals to 0.0 from HiSec via compression through various modules that were then recycled. I had added accounts to have an alt corp in hisec, secured a POS in hisec, populated it with the needed POS modules, secured the BPO's, researched the ME/PE for them to my liking, trained up JF pilots, added accounts and trained up my cyno chain crew, scoured the markets to get the best prices I could for minerals and freightered my purchases to the POS... CCP nerfed the compression business.

So, I adapt to now just compress raw ore at the POS (so I have to go back and start buying raw ore and ship that bulky crap) and start to ship those compressed blocks to 0.0 (never mind the multiple Billions of ISK worth of minerals I have stockpiled for the previous business plan that CCP nerfed for me) and now my cyno chain is null and void? I can not run multiple accounts of JF to haul what I need to haul in the time frame I have to haul it?

Don't tell me to work with others, this WAS my Eve and I played it the way I wanted to, not the way you or anyone else say I should play it. SANDBOX? Bull ****!!


I am done. I started EVEOnline in March of 2009.


Six accounts unsubscribed today, effective between November 16 - 17 depending which account.

Pulling POS and modules down, parking them in station.



No, the stuff is just going to rot in station, ya can't have it.

It's eve, you are going in dry ;)

322 pages of "this doesn't affect us at all, but CCP really shouldn't do this because of :reasons:".

You know whats funny? I browsed several web sites and forums populated by bitter vets of eve, people who left the game because of the cesspool it had become, after hearing about the changes excitement among those also long term players, some from 2003/2004 even, ran high. The general consensus was that if these changes would come through they would definitely re-sub to see at least how it plays out.

When a game mechanic is abused, it can very well be considered an exploit. So there you have it.

It's not about the metas, it's about sov space and the inability of smaller unaffiliated groups taking sov for themselves without having the lackeys pushing them back with Nk (n being a variable) man fleets and hundreds of caps at their disposal. Now moving your entire fleet to one side of the galaxy WILL have it's effects, more than likely undefended systems. Who can take advantage of that? Anyone with the ability to gather a few tens of people to bash towers for hours before the defense shows up. So big alliances will lose out on this. HARD, and that's good. Don't like it? Too f'in bad, **** just hit the fan and you're on the receiving end.

you should change your corp name

I'm all for these changes. But what exactly is stopping a max fleet of supers from crusading whatever they want in a certain area, leaving, and then comming back when the timers pass. (Esp if structures would be reduced in EHP to make it more compatible for smaller groups?) Remote cap transfer and rep makes this nigh untouchable. At most you can hold them up, if ur on the ball, by holding them in bubbles till they fall asleep/selfDestruct/burnBackToTheGate.

Is there any thought about changing fleet functionality (for example bigger ships take up more slots in a fleet from say maxed 256 frig fleet compared to its extreme maxed 5 titan fleet)

Overall very happy with these first set of changes, alot of people are gona have to step up their game and sadle more responsibility. o7

By the way, when exactly was the last dev post?

****Update: As mentioned above, we're taking feedback and responding in the thread, so look for those blue bars. Greyscale has also created a short FAQ that will be updated as needed as the first reply to the thread.

I really like how some serious thought was put into this change, great idea. Here are some of the good points.

1. You have made Capital ships very ineffective at their job which is power projection.
2. Players can stop training for Capital ships and save their billions of isk for something else.
3. After this change Titans are pointless, great job at making the most expensive, skill intensive ship in the game a complete waste of time. No longer need to waste isk saving for one, thank you so much.
4. You have made Capital ships much less desirable to use and as such players will no longer waste a lot of their training on them.

I am sure these changes will be embraced by all, after all we enjoy changes that significantly nerf a whole class of ships. Nerf away CCP I am sure this will increase subscriptions significantly.