I would love for alphafleet and battlecruiser fleets to make a comeback, but it's not going to happen without some change to the damage formula.

I apologize. My wording was clunky and difficult to understand, and this has already led to a misunderstandings. Let me elucidate (holy crap that word came right out out of my ass and I actually had the usage correct. I have shat a golden egg.) upon the matter.

I didn't want a skill to reduce sigRad. I want a skill to reduce the sigRad penalty of shield extenders. We already have a skill the reduces the penalty of shield rigs (Shield Rigging).

Shield Rigging: 10% reduction in the penalty of shield rigs per level. Up this to 20% per level. Let us completely remove the penalty.

Shield Focusing (Proposed new skill): 20% reduction in the signature radius penalty of shield extenders per level.

Train both to 5 and voila, no more shield penalties.

I did not suggest removing explosion radius / sigRad consideration from bombs. Only adding the velocity part so that it works exactly like missile damage.

The numbers I chose to play with (100 m/s and 400 meters) were just a base line that seemed appropriate for a generic battleship weapon. They can and should be tweaked until a balance is found. I've found tweaking DRF downward lessens the sudden drop in damage reductions.

If you dislike the idea of ISBoxer, you should like this cloak change.

bomber is a stealthy torpedo boat built for attacking shipping and large targets such as battleships.Worm is an anti interceptor.

Two very different jobs.

proves you havent used one of these in a long time.

My question regarding the new anti-capital void bomb (which, incidentally, I think is a really cool idea): with a 1 meter area of effect, does the bomb have to land within 1 meter of the ships physical model, or it's collision radius? I know that on some caps, especially titans and the Naglfar, this will make a difference.

Thanks!

I always get a kick out of people that think they know about about modern weapons tech and then try to apply it to eve.

There is this thing called a Target Painter that can take the place of the aircraft mounting laser. Anyone can carry one, even infantry. Its how an aircraft can launch a cruise missile from 100km away or a 500lb bomb from 50,000 feet and still hit a 1-foot-square target like the air-shaft of a bunker complex even when its cloudy.

Eve target painters are of course used for a different purpose.

proves you havent used one of these in a long time.

So, I did a thing and added some theoretical damage stats to a bomb (expVel=100m/s, DRF=5.5) for the purposes of simulating percentage damage reduction to bombs for a typical baltec Megathron and a Rail Rokh. Relevant aspects of the fits are listed below the chart.

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The "physical model" and "collision radius" are the same thing. The model you see with all the polygons and wings and guns and stuff, that points in different directions, does not exist on the server and is purely visual. As far as the server is concerned we're all driving little non-oriented spheres around and bumping into each other all day.

If the bomb shows less than 1m distance on the enemy's overview when it explodes, that'd be a hit.

I understand that. However, I can be at 0m from something and not bump off of it while still approaching, while sometimes I can bump off of something that I'm more than 0m away from. The physical model of some objects, even if it's just a visual effect, extends outside of the collision sphere, while some collision spheres are considerably larger than the visual model.

Your answer of "less than 1m distance on the enemy's overview" makes perfect sense from the target's standpoint, but how does the bomber know where to aim for that? That's what I'm trying to ask.

Pretty sure I never said anything about stopping ISBoxers. I'm not one of those, I promise you.

If you dislike the idea of ISBoxer, you should like this cloak change.

yes but you would need to fit 6 bombs to your own cap and with this type of bomb you would need more then 1 defensive bomber if they were smart enough not to bomb all from one direction

Wow, this goon tag is just OP.

My point is this stealth change is not just about ISBoxer. It's about imbalance. Ball of stealth ships = imbalance. Whether it's one player controlling 50 stealth ships, or 50 players with 1 stealth ship each, it's the same scenario: Numbers were used to overcome an attempted balance to cloaks.

There is a group of people who blame ISBoxer for this change, my statement was regarding those people. (review: ball of stealth ships = imbalance, ISBoxer or not ISBoxer)

also, I know a bit about what goes on in wormholes.

seems grrgoons is keeping you from thinking straight right now Xyon.