1,153 Sell / 1,135 Buy atm

It's not what's going on in the buy orders that is important right now. I could do with keeping the price down for at least another day, so feel free to continue the deranged tinfoil doomsaying. Alternatively: buy, buy, buy!

Fine, Glad it is helpful, It might even turn out to be right, then you can buy even cheaper!!!

Keep it up though, someone might buy enough to let you exit your position eventually, one can always hope?

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So now that statement you proposed, repeated ad infinitum almost as a universal truth, until people started to believe it, has been publicly Exposed as a lie, literally a cover for RMTers actions, new Propaganda will need to be written by the RMTers, to be repeated by the gullible at every opportunity.

CCP understand, are not gullible, have seen through the clumsy lies, and are on to them, and Know EXACTLY what they are doing.

[...]

If you feed rats, you soon find them crawling all over your living room.
Who would you rather CCP support, RMTers or Players?

When Plex sells in game, at a price that is not a banquet for the "rats", and still desireable enough that CCP makes a good income, Traders have a commodity in good supply and demand, and Players can buy it for isk for fair labour.

Then Plex is good, fair and functional.

If it merely plays to RMTers and speculators, both long and short term, and creates a feeding frenzy where traders drive the price to more and more unrealistic levels, and end users cease to even consider it as something that they can actually use.

[...]

Then, suddenly, I realized that you are a buffoon and don't know what you are talking about. Once I realized that, your post made much sense.

That is what I said before.

Remember that you are the one that thinks propping up PLEX prices makes sense, I'm the one that thinks anyone doing so is an idiot.

Why would I be holding a position?

Could you elaborate on this? I was under the impression that rising PLEX prices helped speculators, but did the opposite for RMTers.

Edit: I wasn't caught up, we're getting to the juicy stuff now it seems.



CCP Peligro said "It's a bit of a double edged sword. Less bots, more fraud.", why does ISK cost of PLEX matter for them in regards to fraud? No matter what they have to undercut them to stay competitive and RL PLEX cost is fixed around $17-20, so even if in-game PLEX hit 20b, they would still have to significantly undercut $20 per 20b to stay competitive. If anything higher PLEX prices not only reduce the profitability of botting (I don't think PVE income isn't going up at the moment), they also reduce the profitability of account hacking, unless the average account they rob is increasing their wealth at the same rate as PLEX is appreciating.

I can't see how the rising ISK cost of PLEX affects the profitability of credit card fraud. The only thing I got from the minutes were that because of their efforts to ban bots, the new sov system and other unmentioned factors (rising PLEX prices perhaps? ;)) it's "it's a lot more expensive to bot now." (Peligro), so RMTers are instead turning to fraud.



But not CCP's? No matter what RMTers have to undercut CCP due to the risk associated with their business, so why would a better higher PLEX prices benefit RMTers more than CCP? The only thing I can think of is if RMT looked significantly better (say 1b more per $20) than PLEX from CCP, even if the RMT risk discount percentage was the same as usual. The Nosy Gamer has talked about this, I'll see if I can find his posts about it, I think there were some statistics.

Glad you are not, it could get messy.

And as for propping up Plex prices, some will believe it is in their best interests

Thanks for clarifying, we are appearing on these points to be fully in agreement.

It's not that it could get messy, it's that it's either idiotic or redundant.

What reason would they have for believing that? What set of circumstances would make it beneficial?

Sure there will be the odd fool out there behaving irrationally on the market, but it's unlikely that such a person would wield sufficient isk to make an impact on the market, because fools don't generally have that kind of isk.

You are advancing tinfoil theories that are predicated on their being a super rich illuminati that is staffed entirely with imbeciles that are hell bent on losing their isk. I don't think the existence of such a group is plausible, because the entire concept is contradictory.

Which points? The only point I advanced was that you are delusional. It would be somewhat paradoxical if you were to agree with me.

For someone who seems to have reasonable market insight, it is surprising how you so fail to understand the motivations of those you deal with with many of your transactions, seeing Plex as purely a token to keep score,of your trading gains, clearly blinds you to the wider aspects.

I'll leave it at that.
It is so much easier, not to see the obvious.
I will leave you with your world view, as it is clearly hard for you to imagine otherwise, and possibly make you a less effective trader if you had to consider the whole picture.

There is more than enough already posted as to explanations and justifications for my comments.
A bit too much for you to reduce to a dismissive one line attack. Do you really believe readers are that stupid? And that would work?

I'm not speaking to "readers" I'm speaking to you. I'm calling you out for posting baseless nonsense. You can either defend your claims or not.

I think you are just here to troll and spout gibberish. You can prove me wrong if you wish.

Wait, you think Bad Bobby, or some kind of cartel is propping plex prices up?

Bobby? Not so much that it counts.

Others? One would be naive not to know that.

So now I'm incompetent as well as an evil imbecile? This is getting better.

So you know that these evil imbeciles exist?

Bobby If you had any capability to extract meaning from words, you should know precisely my opinion.

...and I'm illiterate too?

Possibly this thread should get back to the subject of plex and not how others see you?

...and I'm illiterate too?

It's dangerous to go alone! Take this.

No this thread should totally be about me.

Nice to see the Eve O forums continuing to provide interesting and worthwhile discussion.

Confirmed that it costs more to drag 2 PLEx from the Login Client over to a pilot docked in station 2 jumps away from Jita IV-4 Nav.

However, it worked the first time around, although I heard a targeting sound trying to scan my cargo on exit.

Confirmed that it costs more to drag 2 PLEx from the Login Client over to a pilot docked in station 2 jumps away from Jita IV-4 Nav.

However, it worked the first time around, although I heard a targeting sound trying to scan my cargo on exit.

Are you telling me that you are actually moving plex away from Jita 4-4?

May I ask why?

No , actually, as you can read, he was moving it TO Jita 4-4.
Not AWAY From as you suggested.

Erm?