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Miss Overlord
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Caedicus You guys seriously need some prozac or something. I love how everyime a patch comes out and there are issues with it, all these people start crying "OMG you screwed up EVE and you're doing nothing about it!"
Do you honestly think CCP will make a type of ship completely useless and keep it that way. You think they spent all that time developing and balancing covert-ops just so no one can use it. Listen, they said that this was just part of a bigger hotfix. Do you know what that is? No. So just take a few chill pills, wait a bit, and I'm sure ccp will do their best to resolve the issue.
With regards to the instas. Would you rather play a laggy game constantly, or take a few minutes longer to make instas? Stop acting like its a terrorist attack or something, it's an attempt to address the database issues. Just be happy they aren't limitting or destorying them.
I just want to say to CCP you guys are doing a good job. I appreciate the hard work you are putting into this game. You guys are obviously listening us, and I like it.
To new players of EVE, don't get discouraged from the whiners on the forum. It's just the people that complain are alot louder on forums then people who are enjoying the game. These problems aren't as big as they are being presented on this thread. 95% of Eve works great. CCP warned us there would be "growing pains" with this new patch. I have confidence that with time they will fix these issues.
u see BMs for some alliances are a big money spinner remove their rapid lag inducing region at a time insta copying and u force em to NPC to make iSK so i think that is where the whiens are coming from when there is an economic interest at stake some ppl really get stroppy
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Kuentai
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi This has got to be a joke.
First off, covops ships which are already iffy to fly because they require a currently 60M module (price direct result of sloppy game design with t2 cloaks and the broken BPO system) become instant road kill if anyone so much as manages to start locking them?
Second, the jump queue system, which already has a near-20-page thread detailing why it's killing pvp in the game, will be left as is?
Do the devs have any idea of what the above two will do to the game? Covops are already screwed due to cloak issues, and now this. And since this thread might actually get some proper dev response (unlike aforementioned N-page thread), how about someone official coming here and telling us how:
a) we're supposed to move gangs system-to-system without them trickling one-by-one into the waiting arms of a gate camp
b) we're supposed to escort anything, when the escorts might get randomly separated from the target at any gate?
c) we're supposed to have tactical warfare in general, when any gate might randomly not function with no way to know in advance?
And don't give me crap about "it only happens in major hub system". It happens all the time, sometimes with systems with only 2-3 other people in them. It happens in 1.0. It happens in 0.4. It happens in 0.0. People are losing ships to it all the time, and there is no way they can fight it. Other than not use jump gates.
Seriously, these two points seriously make me question where CCP is headed right now, and if the people in charge have a clue anymore. Or if there really is anyone in charge, is everyone competent in panic mode scrambling after server performance problems and the rest are making these decisions?
If these changes are intended to stay, we need discussion right now about:
1) the complete plan for covert ops and cloaking, assuming there is one. Why was the cloaking change implemented, what problem is it trying to solve.
2) an explanation of how we're supposed to have tactical PVP in the game with the random gate queues, ideally with a discussion of what real problem this was trying to solve (and why that problem is bigger than the disaster it's causing), and an explanation of what the final system will look like.
We're waiting.
And skip the pseudo-funny "we were drunk at the time" stuff, if ceased to be funny some time ago as a response to serious player issues, and just looks like what it is (an attempt to skirt the issue).
Oh and /signed
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Chewan Mesa
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 29/08/2006 23:44:11 Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 29/08/2006 23:43:10
Originally by: Caedicus You guys seriously need some prozac or something. I love how everyime a patch comes out and there are issues with it, all these people start crying "OMG you screwed up EVE and you're doing nothing about it!"
Do you honestly think CCP will make a type of ship completely useless and keep it that way. You think they spent all that time developing and balancing covert-ops just so no one can use it. Listen, they said that this was just part of a bigger hotfix. Do you know what that is? No. So just take a few chill pills, wait a bit, and I'm sure ccp will do their best to resolve the issue.
With regards to the instas. Would you rather play a laggy game constantly, or take a few minutes longer to make instas? Stop acting like its a terrorist attack or something, it's an attempt to address the database issues. Just be happy they aren't limitting or destorying them.
I just want to say to CCP you guys are doing a good job. I appreciate the hard work you are putting into this game. You guys are obviously listening us, and I like it.
To new players of EVE, don't get discouraged from the whiners on the forum. It's just the people that complain are alot louder on forums then people who are enjoying the game. These problems aren't as big as they are being presented on this thread. 95% of Eve works great. CCP warned us there would be "growing pains" with this new patch. I have confidence that with time they will fix these issues.
Seriously, I dunno if you didnt bother reading most of the replies here, but people mainly said "if there is a cov ops change/nerf/fix, we want to know it all, not just 1 part that seriously s*cks!".
Concering the instas, people here did not say they want instas to stay that way, they like me are totally fine removing instas, improving the lag, because we suffer as well from it, but not by making travel longer and making 0.0-travel almost impossible, but with getting us another solution, which the current "fix" isnt.
CCP is doing a great job, otherwise people here wouldnt still be playing the game since 3 years cause its still fun, and would "whine" totally unconstructive, which they dont, people just ask for more info.
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coldplasma
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Overlord
Originally by: Caedicus You guys seriously need some prozac or something. I love how everyime a patch comes out and there are issues with it, all these people start crying "OMG you screwed up EVE and you're doing nothing about it!"
Do you honestly think CCP will make a type of ship completely useless and keep it that way. You think they spent all that time developing and balancing covert-ops just so no one can use it. Listen, they said that this was just part of a bigger hotfix. Do you know what that is? No. So just take a few chill pills, wait a bit, and I'm sure ccp will do their best to resolve the issue.
With regards to the instas. Would you rather play a laggy game constantly, or take a few minutes longer to make instas? Stop acting like its a terrorist attack or something, it's an attempt to address the database issues. Just be happy they aren't limitting or destorying them.
I just want to say to CCP you guys are doing a good job. I appreciate the hard work you are putting into this game. You guys are obviously listening us, and I like it.
To new players of EVE, don't get discouraged from the whiners on the forum. It's just the people that complain are alot louder on forums then people who are enjoying the game. These problems aren't as big as they are being presented on this thread. 95% of Eve works great. CCP warned us there would be "growing pains" with this new patch. I have confidence that with time they will fix these issues.
u see BMs for some alliances are a big money spinner remove their rapid lag inducing region at a time insta copying and u force em to NPC to make iSK so i think that is where the whiens are coming from when there is an economic interest at stake some ppl really get stroppy
Punctuation, do you use it?
No, you are wrong. Yes, there are people than manage to spin money from selling regional BM's. BUT, that's not reason to nerf the entire system of copying bookmarks. Copying BM's is ESSENTIAL for the efficient running of 0.0 economies. ____________________________
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Hasham Abbas
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:44:00 -
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Gungankllr
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:45:00 -
[186]
For the love of god please wait for CCP to clarify the Covert ops thing before you lose your freaking minds.
Hidden in this signature is a secret message.
I like pie.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Chewan Mesa Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 29/08/2006 23:44:11 Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 29/08/2006 23:43:10
Originally by: Caedicus You guys seriously need some prozac or something. I love how everyime a patch comes out and there are issues with it, all these people start crying "OMG you screwed up EVE and you're doing nothing about it!"
Do you honestly think CCP will make a type of ship completely useless and keep it that way. You think they spent all that time developing and balancing covert-ops just so no one can use it. Listen, they said that this was just part of a bigger hotfix. Do you know what that is? No. So just take a few chill pills, wait a bit, and I'm sure ccp will do their best to resolve the issue.
With regards to the instas. Would you rather play a laggy game constantly, or take a few minutes longer to make instas? Stop acting like its a terrorist attack or something, it's an attempt to address the database issues. Just be happy they aren't limitting or destorying them.
I just want to say to CCP you guys are doing a good job. I appreciate the hard work you are putting into this game. You guys are obviously listening us, and I like it.
To new players of EVE, don't get discouraged from the whiners on the forum. It's just the people that complain are alot louder on forums then people who are enjoying the game. These problems aren't as big as they are being presented on this thread. 95% of Eve works great. CCP warned us there would be "growing pains" with this new patch. I have confidence that with time they will fix these issues.
Seriously, I dunno if you didnt bother reading most of the replies here, but people mainly said "if there is a cov ops change/nerf/fix, we want to know it all, not just 1 part that seriously s*cks!".
Concering the instas, people here did not say they want instas to stay that way, they like me are totally fine removing instas, improving the lag, because we suffer as well from it, but not by making travel longer and making 0.0-travel almost impossible, but with getting us another solution, which the current "fix" isnt.
CCP is doing a great job, otherwise people here wouldnt still be playing the game since 3 years cause its still fun, and would "whine" totally unconstructive, which they dont, people just ask for more info.
its a temp fix they will probably full fix it next week they also work on a tight timeframe to.
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Rainhailer
Gallente Sons Of Korhal Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi This has got to be a joke.
First off, covops ships which are already iffy to fly because they require a currently 60M module (price direct result of sloppy game design with t2 cloaks and the broken BPO system) become instant road kill if anyone so much as manages to start locking them?
Second, the jump queue system, which already has a near-20-page thread detailing why it's killing pvp in the game, will be left as is?
Do the devs have any idea of what the above two will do to the game? Covops are already screwed due to cloak issues, and now this. And since this thread might actually get some proper dev response (unlike aforementioned N-page thread), how about someone official coming here and telling us how:
a) we're supposed to move gangs system-to-system without them trickling one-by-one into the waiting arms of a gate camp
b) we're supposed to escort anything, when the escorts might get randomly separated from the target at any gate?
c) we're supposed to have tactical warfare in general, when any gate might randomly not function with no way to know in advance?
And don't give me crap about "it only happens in major hub system". It happens all the time, sometimes with systems with only 2-3 other people in them. It happens in 1.0. It happens in 0.4. It happens in 0.0. People are losing ships to it all the time, and there is no way they can fight it. Other than not use jump gates.
Seriously, these two points seriously make me question where CCP is headed right now, and if the people in charge have a clue anymore. Or if there really is anyone in charge, is everyone competent in panic mode scrambling after server performance problems and the rest are making these decisions?
If these changes are intended to stay, we need discussion right now about:
1) the complete plan for covert ops and cloaking, assuming there is one. Why was the cloaking change implemented, what problem is it trying to solve.
2) an explanation of how we're supposed to have tactical PVP in the game with the random gate queues, ideally with a discussion of what real problem this was trying to solve (and why that problem is bigger than the disaster it's causing), and an explanation of what the final system will look like.
We're waiting.
And skip the pseudo-funny "we were drunk at the time" stuff, if ceased to be funny some time ago as a response to serious player issues, and just looks like what it is (an attempt to skirt the issue).
Repeating for how HUGELY important answers to these questions are.
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Cyleth
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:49:00 -
[189]
Edited by: Cyleth on 29/08/2006 23:49:48
Originally by: Gungankllr For the love of god please wait for CCP to clarify the Covert ops thing before you lose your freaking minds.
I think the main concern here is that Kieron said rest of the cov ops "fix" would be implemented later. I'm sure you agree it's pretty silly to "half-fix" something when in reality, it only makes it worse. --
Nobody stays behind |
Xtown
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:49:00 -
[190]
Quote: The jump queue for systems will only occur if the system in question is on a node using 95% or more CPU. This has previously been hotfixed on TQ.
Quite hard to be constructive about something as downright wrong as queueing. I'm sorry if you feel hard done by but I'd be surprised if you could put up any credible defence of the idea or the way it's been implemented. In fact, please do, as you'll have a very interested audience.
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Gumiho
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:51:00 -
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I do not like the cloaking changes. Please make a proper fix ASAP.
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juduzz
Amarr Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:52:00 -
[192]
well just been on test server to test these "great" <-----a SUPER amount of saracsm here! and with an ares and no sensor boosting mods I could lock a buzzard AND scramble before he went to warp.
Yep eve is scrwed up now........
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Kvah'nid
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:52:00 -
[193]
All who are saying 'Await Clarification before going off the handle' - this is why most companies, CCP included, should read through their press releases and patch notes before they post them - to remove ambiguities.
This smacks of unprofessionalism from CCP.
I won't even get started on these proposed changes - let's just say i concur with the majority of posts in this thread.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:53:00 -
[194]
half fix is better than no fix will allow at least a chance of surviviablity for the next week for covie ops pilots
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Eriv Kendri
Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:53:00 -
[195]
I dont think the bm copy restriction is a big deal. The change to cloaking (if it is a change and not just misinformation or confusing response) is unnecessary and really hurts that line of ships.
As for the queueing feature - that just puzzles the heck out of me. Sure it was laggy before - but you could reasonably predict the lag - now it just punishes everyone and from the player base pov, arbitrarily.
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Callistus
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:54:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Gungankllr For the love of god please wait for CCP to clarify the Covert ops thing before you lose your freaking minds.
The patchnotes and Kieron's reply seem pretty clear to me --------------
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:56:00 -
[197]
New courier mission "move the goods" level 2 agent 0.0 to low sec
45k base 49k 40 minute time bonus 33 LP
Good news there
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xenodia
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:56:00 -
[198]
WTS Arazu & Covert Ops Cloak
Please visit our website here |
Cyleth
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Cyleth on 29/08/2006 23:55:55
Originally by: Miss Overlord half fix is better than no fix will allow at least a chance of surviviablity for the next week for covie ops pilots
And how exactly? Read what Juduzz wrote about how things are on sisi. --
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Defenestrate
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:59:00 -
[200]
Let's see...that's not ONE, not TWO, but THREE gamebreaking changes (gate queues, covops, and instas) in this "HEY GUYS NO CHANGES TO GAME CONTENT HERE" patch. Did I miss something or did CCP get bought out by SOE while I was on vacation?
I will wait two weeks for these issues to be resolved out of respect for the good work CCP has done so far. After that I will cancel my account. I know "giev me ur items and isk" etc, I am usually not in the business of expressing my rage about video games on the internet or threatening to cancel my account, but this is outrageous. I have many other things I can spend my monthly fee on other than internet spaceships.
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Caedicus
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Posted - 2006.08.30 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Chewan Mesa Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 29/08/2006 23:44:11 Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 29/08/2006 23:43:10
Seriously, I dunno if you didnt bother reading most of the replies here, but people mainly said "if there is a cov ops change/nerf/fix, we want to know it all, not just 1 part that seriously s*cks!".
Concering the instas, people here did not say they want instas to stay that way, they like me are totally fine removing instas, improving the lag, because we suffer as well from it, but not by making travel longer and making 0.0-travel almost impossible, but with getting us another solution, which the current "fix" isnt.
CCP is doing a great job, otherwise people here wouldnt still be playing the game since 3 years cause its still fun, and would "whine" totally unconstructive, which they dont, people just ask for more info.
Yeah I know that, I'm not talking to the people who are simply asking what the fix will be. There are a bunch of people that are making it sound like it's this horrible thing and are upset at ccp. I'm just saying there's no reason to get all upset about it. I'm sure keiron is probably asking the right people to find out. But sometimes it's hard for him to get the answers within in a 15 millisecond time frame. But when he doesn't answer right away, everyone goes nuts.
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." -Ghandi |
Miss Overlord
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.08.30 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Defenestrate Let's see...that's not ONE, not TWO, but THREE gamebreaking changes (gate queues, covops, and instas) in this "HEY GUYS NO CHANGES TO GAME CONTENT HERE" patch. Did I miss something or did CCP get bought out by SOE while I was on vacation?
I will wait two weeks for these issues to be resolved out of respect for the good work CCP has done so far. After that I will cancel my account. I know "giev me ur items and isk" etc, I am usually not in the business of expressing my rage about video games on the internet or threatening to cancel my account, but this is outrageous. I have many other things I can spend my monthly fee on other than internet spaceships.
ok if enough ppl do it they might pay attention otherwise good luck to u
Now some good news courier missions are back im currently garnering a list from my various agents and will post on this thread
Courier agents to look out for
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hylleX
Spontaneous Defenestration Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2006.08.30 00:05:00 -
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Worst patch ever?
Bye pilgrim its been fun, but i think i prefer the curse now ---------------------------------------------------------
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.30 00:06:00 -
[204]
Originally by: juduzz well just been on test server to test these "great" <-----a SUPER amount of saracsm here! and with an ares and no sensor boosting mods I could lock a buzzard AND scramble before he went to warp.
Yep eve is scrwed up now........
I've been trying to tell people this...
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juduzz
Amarr Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.30 00:09:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: juduzz well just been on test server to test these "great" <-----a SUPER amount of saracsm here! and with an ares and no sensor boosting mods I could lock a buzzard AND scramble before he went to warp.
Yep eve is scrwed up now........
I've been trying to tell people this...
arh sorry must have missed that, the thread took off faster then a chav after stealing a new gold chain from argus so missed it.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.08.30 00:09:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: juduzz well just been on test server to test these "great" <-----a SUPER amount of saracsm here! and with an ares and no sensor boosting mods I could lock a buzzard AND scramble before he went to warp.
Yep eve is scrwed up now........
I've been trying to tell people this...
this means no more 0.0 courier missions in youre cloaked ship either (at least with small loads)
ah well at least the haul missions are back i can PVP on one account and built standings with another doing courier missions (both are acceptible and CCP should encourage both)
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Kitty O'Shay
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.30 00:10:00 -
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Oh, and remember this patch is going in on a THRUSDAY.
That's right, one day before the one of the biggest US long weekend holidays: Labor Day. --
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.08.30 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: juduzz
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: juduzz well just been on test server to test these "great" <-----a SUPER amount of saracsm here! and with an ares and no sensor boosting mods I could lock a buzzard AND scramble before he went to warp.
Yep eve is scrwed up now........
I've been trying to tell people this...
arh sorry must have missed that, the thread took off faster then a chav after stealing a new gold chain from argus so missed it.
CCP also stated its a short term fix till they can get to it (if they left covert ops broken or half fixed no one would use em and CCP dont watn that)
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.30 00:12:00 -
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If the single shard solution cannot support this many players, then open a second shard.
Queues are by no means an acceptable solution.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.08.30 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kitty O'Shay Oh, and remember this patch is going in on a THRUSDAY.
That's right, one day before the one of the biggest US long weekend holidays: Labor Day.
meh not that many US players anyway moer euro players and u get the weekend.
Im hoping while TQ is down that SISI is left up so we can have some fun there to fix the eve fix.
IF not i have several other online games i can play
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