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If a ship that is being targeted, and cloaks, the lock will now guarantee the uncloak effect occurs.

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• Can't fit decently
• Can't tank or at the very least absorb damage
• Can't do much damage
• Can't go anywhere quickly
• Hated by 82% of kittens*

Originally by: Miss Overlord

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CCP also stated its a short term fix till they can get to it (if they left covert ops broken or half fixed no one would use em and CCP dont watn that)

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Originally by: Mistress Suffering

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If the single shard solution cannot support this many players, then open a second shard.

Queues are by no means an acceptable solution.

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Originally by: Eevul Bunnzor

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Instas are a problem, but leaving them as they are for old players and basically preventing newer players from getting them is just ridiculous.

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Originally by: Hasham Abbas

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Originally by: Alex Harumichi

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This has got to be a joke.

First off, covops ships which are already iffy to fly because they require a currently 60M module (price direct result of sloppy game design with t2 cloaks and the broken BPO system) become instant road kill if anyone so much as manages to start locking them?

Second, the jump queue system, which already has a near-20-page thread detailing why it's killing pvp in the game, will be left as is?

Do the devs have any idea of what the above two will do to the game? Covops are already screwed due to cloak issues, and now this. And since this thread might actually get some proper dev response (unlike aforementioned N-page thread), how about someone official coming here and telling us how:

a) we're supposed to move gangs system-to-system without them trickling one-by-one into the waiting arms of a gate camp

b) we're supposed to escort anything, when the escorts might get randomly separated from the target at any gate?

c) we're supposed to have tactical warfare in general, when any gate might randomly not function with no way to know in advance?

And don't give me crap about "it only happens in major hub system". It happens all the time, sometimes with systems with only 2-3 other people in them. It happens in 1.0. It happens in 0.4. It happens in 0.0. People are losing ships to it all the time, and there is no way they can fight it. Other than not use jump gates.

Seriously, these two points seriously make me question where CCP is headed right now, and if the people in charge have a clue anymore. Or if there really is anyone in charge, is everyone competent in panic mode scrambling after server performance problems and the rest are making these decisions?

If these changes are intended to stay, we need discussion right now about:

1) the complete plan for covert ops and cloaking, assuming there is one. Why was the cloaking change implemented, what problem is it trying to solve.

2) an explanation of how we're supposed to have tactical PVP in the game with the random gate queues, ideally with a discussion of what real problem this was trying to solve (and why that problem is bigger than the disaster it's causing), and an explanation of what the final system will look like.

We're waiting.

And skip the pseudo-funny "we were drunk at the time" stuff, if ceased to be funny some time ago as a response to serious player issues, and just looks like what it is (an attempt to skirt the issue).

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Originally by: Rabbitgod

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3 radical changes are comming to eve that a lot of people feel will ruin game play. Instead of whining tho I suggest we get a thousand or more people to cancel their accounts for one month if this patch goes live as is in protest because actions speak louder than words.

These changes are:

* The jump queue for systems will only occur if the system in question is on a node using 95% or more CPU. This has previously been hotfixed on TQ.
* Bookmark copying is now limited to 5 bookmarks at a time. Attempting to copy more than 5 bookmarks will result in only 5 being copied.
* If a ship that is being targeted, and cloaks, the lock will now guarantee the uncloak effect occurs.



***When I say cancel I DO NOT mean delete your character simply change you CC info or let your GTC expire***

I have started a poll on MMORPG.com

here.

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Originally by: Venzon 2003

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Can I have your stuff?

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Originally by: Rabbitgod

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3 radical changes are comming to eve that a lot of people feel will ruin game play. Instead of whining tho I suggest we get a thousand or more people to cancel their accounts for one month if this patch goes live as is in protest because actions speak louder than words.

These changes are:

* The jump queue for systems will only occur if the system in question is on a node using 95% or more CPU. This has previously been hotfixed on TQ.
* Bookmark copying is now limited to 5 bookmarks at a time. Attempting to copy more than 5 bookmarks will result in only 5 being copied.
* If a ship that is being targeted, and cloaks, the lock will now guarantee the uncloak effect occurs.



***When I say cancel I DO NOT mean delete your character simply change you CC info or let your GTC expire***

I have started a poll on MMORPG.com

here.

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Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower

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1) Covert ops ships are supposed to be difficult to catch; by making them this vulnerable you are essentially retarding any chance of tactical fleet warfare. Covert ops scouts are heavily used as warp-ins and for checking ahead of moving fleets. No-one is going to fly a T2 ship that costs between 70 and 200 million ISK a pop if they know they'll die when they hit the first gate camp.

2) Server queues are probably the worst idea ever to come out of your development team since its conception. Do you have any idea how this is affecting 0.0 fleet movements? We've already encountered it ourselves and this was in a system with just 2 people in it; madness. You've coded a system for load balancing which directly contradicts the foundation of the queue system and your QA department then gave the green light for deployment onto both Tranquility and Serenity; fire them all now and hire people who can think more than 10 seconds ahead please.

3) I'll just say this; 5 BM limit on copying has got to be the laziest solution to this problem that could have been implemented. Ditto on the Cloaking issue; you've screwed over thousands of people in order to solve a problem which was experienced/caused by maybe hundreds at most and probably tens on average. There are plenty of alternate solutions with real promise just sitting here on your own forums. How about instead of implementing lazy quick-fixes you guys actually sit down and rewrite the system; you've had years to get this done and this is the best you can do?


Tell you what, I have a better idea than deploying out this 'patch' on Thursday; roll back the last one! Dragon brought nothing to the game that's actually of any use whatsoever and has actually made it a whole lot worse. I'd cheerfully lose a few days of skill training while you guys go through a full rollback or restore, the game was performing better beforehand anyway. Dragon is worthless.

Oh, and if Kali 1 is anything like this then I guarantee that you'll be flushing your reputation and subscriptions down the toilet on deployment day. And I know some smart-arse is going to give me the usual spiel about there being a separate content and programming team so I'll just say this; content has obviously out-run programming at this point. You're implementing new features too quickly and not spending enough time fixing existing problems; they just pile up and up and up. I'd be ecstatic if you guys just spent the next month or two on pure fixes (with proper QA) and put a total stop to Kali development until there's a stable foundation on which to base it.

Finally (phew) it was only recently that the dev team promised to actually improve communications with the community through the use of dev blogs and the forums. I now notice with chagrin that you've stopped completely, or rather, you're only communicating regarding issues that no-one gives a crap about at this point in time. I saw the queue system thread swell to 15+ pages in just a few days; no official response. Then someone posts a thread asking that the MOTD be changed; that got answered in about 15 minutes. How long could it possibly take for you guys to formulate a response to this situation and the community's concerns?

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Originally by: Alex Harumichi

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This has got to be a joke.

First off, covops ships which are already iffy to fly because they require a currently 60M module (price direct result of sloppy game design with t2 cloaks and the broken BPO system) become instant road kill if anyone so much as manages to start locking them?

Second, the jump queue system, which already has a near-20-page thread detailing why it's killing pvp in the game, will be left as is?

Do the devs have any idea of what the above two will do to the game? Covops are already screwed due to cloak issues, and now this. And since this thread might actually get some proper dev response (unlike aforementioned N-page thread), how about someone official coming here and telling us how:

a) we're supposed to move gangs system-to-system without them trickling one-by-one into the waiting arms of a gate camp

b) we're supposed to escort anything, when the escorts might get randomly separated from the target at any gate?

c) we're supposed to have tactical warfare in general, when any gate might randomly not function with no way to know in advance?

And don't give me crap about "it only happens in major hub system". It happens all the time, sometimes with systems with only 2-3 other people in them. It happens in 1.0. It happens in 0.4. It happens in 0.0. People are losing ships to it all the time, and there is no way they can fight it. Other than not use jump gates.

Seriously, these two points seriously make me question where CCP is headed right now, and if the people in charge have a clue anymore. Or if there really is anyone in charge, is everyone competent in panic mode scrambling after server performance problems and the rest are making these decisions?

If these changes are intended to stay, we need discussion right now about:

1) the complete plan for covert ops and cloaking, assuming there is one. Why was the cloaking change implemented, what problem is it trying to solve.

2) an explanation of how we're supposed to have tactical PVP in the game with the random gate queues, ideally with a discussion of what real problem this was trying to solve (and why that problem is bigger than the disaster it's causing), and an explanation of what the final system will look like.

We're waiting.

And skip the pseudo-funny "we were drunk at the time" stuff, if ceased to be funny some time ago as a response to serious player issues, and just looks like what it is (an attempt to skirt the issue).

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Originally by: Gift

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Originally by: Venzon 2003

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Can I have your stuff?

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contribute?

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