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Chewan Mesa
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.30 07:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Vir Hellnamin
Edited by: Vir Hellnamin on 30/08/2006 07:42:07
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What would actually the warp-to-0km-from-gate help in BM problem by the way? Take away BMs equal to amount of gates per system per player...
You still need the tactical marks, which are many compared to just the gate insta-jump marks.
But, camping the in-warping ships is gone... quite boring, you lose one aspect of this game, of this game of 'warfare'.
Btw, if you don't have time to sit on your console all the time in EVE, travel AFK - put all high sec routes, and wish that you don't get suicide ganked. That's the risk you'll need to take. Travel takes time, let's face it.
Well 2 things...I agree travel in 0.0 should not be risk-free, but however as you have bubbles and fast lockers, it isnt even with instas.
However without instas, or an appropriate solution to get closer to a gate then 15km, it is almost impossible in anything without and mwd or slower than a fast cruiser.
Adding to that is the time-factor. You say travel takes time, fair enough, but it even does WITH instas take quite some time, without em it is a ridiculous amount of time.
What would be 0-km (or something around that) help with bms?
Rather simple, IF they remove gate to gate instas, the server-load and storage thingybobs have a lot less to do, its less laggy, so there is no "5BM at a time" rule needed, you can happily spread your Tactical BMs again between gangmembers...
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Miss Anpassad
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:02:00 -
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Well, just make sure you give quite a long warning before any "remove all bm's". Else you will have quite a few petitions about people loosing their bm's too cans and other stuff lying around all over :)
But there needs to be done something about the bm's i guess. Moving the gates about 20k might be a good thing along with getting rid of the bm's in a sphere of 100km from it. |
Matthew
Caldari
BloodStar Technologies
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: thatguyinpc
When I first saw this post on page 2 of this thread I hoped I wouldnÆt have to resort to /signed because surely by page 12 a dev would have replied.
Page 2 started at 20:46. Your post is at 07:34. Think the Devs might possibly have been getting some sleep? 24/7 support does not extend to forum posting.
AS for the BM changes, people seem to be acting as though it'll be impossible to copy BM's from now on. All it will really mean is that you have to actually put in some effort to do it now, rather than just leaving your client afk lagging your node for hours. And if BM's are the indespensible tool people here seem to suggest, that effort will still be worth it.
Should help encourage people to only copy the BM's they actually need though, rather than entire region's worth which they'll mostly never use.
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Elisno
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:18:00 -
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oh yeah bring on the fanboi's.
give em time
they are doin everything they can
blah blah blah
we give them money.
they give us a substandard product.
i'm seeing 13 pages of those fed up with good money being spent on a promise that isn't being fulfilled.
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Chewan Mesa
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:18:00 -
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Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 30/08/2006 08:18:52
Originally by: Matthew
Originally by: thatguyinpc
When I first saw this post on page 2 of this thread I hoped I wouldn’t have to resort to /signed because surely by page 12 a dev would have replied.
Page 2 started at 20:46. Your post is at 07:34. Think the Devs might possibly have been getting some sleep? 24/7 support does not extend to forum posting.
AS for the BM changes, people seem to be acting as though it'll be impossible to copy BM's from now on. All it will really mean is that you have to actually put in some effort to do it now, rather than just leaving your client afk lagging your node for hours. And if BM's are the indespensible tool people here seem to suggest, that effort will still be worth it.
Should help encourage people to only copy the BM's they actually need though, rather than entire region's worth which they'll mostly never use.
The point is to get rid of instas completely, as its broken, it shouldnt be needed to be stuck in a station for hours to move around in a few 0.0-regions...
They should remove them, and get us a different solution, not screw the current solution over without a new way to go.
Noone says "omg give us the old bookmark copying back"...mostly you read people agreeing to do something about them, to solve the lag-creating problem, but not this way...
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jokerb
Caldari
W R U
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:26:00 -
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Ok, I left SOE's SWG lunacy last year. One of the main selling points to myself was that the communication here was outstanding. I never felt like a mushroom here (put in the dark and fed S*&$). This patch is pretty terrible. The queues are quite gamebreaking to your target audience, pvp'ers. The BM deal is really overblown, shotgun to kill a fly anyone? The Cov Ops NERF , lets call it what it is (I've seen masters at disinformation see aforementioned SOE) while not directly affecting me or my 3 accounts is none the less undocumented and rather odorous. This latest effort needs to be re-evaluated. I'm not callig for drastic measures, but someone made a rather large mistake (Hire anyone from SOE lately?). This situation is all to reminiscent of the one I left those many months ago. Drastic changes, undocumented 'features', no communication, these were the Hallmarks of previous MMO experiences. If I come to dread patchdays simply because we have to hunt for stealth nerfs, and broken code, the experience here will be diminished. I am not one of those that has asked for changes, other then maybe removing the gate guns  . This is not what this customer base was looking forward to playing. 20 some pages in this thread alone. Forums lagged out for the most part (kinda like your servers right now  ). CCP I suggest that you have Tux, TomB, and Oveur come out and start explaining what is going on. No offense Kieron, at this point I think we all deserve to hear from higher ups(like we have grown accustomed).
Thanks for listening.
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LiZicheng
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:27:00 -
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Thanks CCP 
Prices of my complete regions will go up to astronomical hights
Originally by: Changes
Bookmark copying is now limited to 5 bookmarks at a time. Attempting to copy more than 5 bookmarks will result in only 5 being copied.
Dragon Code Branch Patch Notes .
Now I only have to find a slave in real life
LiZi
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thatguyinpc
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Matthew
Originally by: thatguyinpc
When I first saw this post on page 2 of this thread I hoped I wouldnÆt have to resort to /signed because surely by page 12 a dev would have replied.
Page 2 started at 20:46. Your post is at 07:34. Think the Devs might possibly have been getting some sleep? 24/7 support does not extend to forum posting.
I would hope that a Multi Million Dollar business such as this would have the foresight to anticipate negative reactions from the people they are doing business with after such a ground-shaking announcement, and be prepared to hold a press conference of sorts to correct any unintentional miscommunication.
To a large degree business is all about credibility, and CCP has taken a hit in that department. Firing CCP wasnÆt on the table yesterday, today it is. Not because there are game mechanics that they are trying to work out, but because of their lack of judgment and communication.
IÆm not quite ready to quit yet, but I sure would hold off on that Eve tattoo if you havenÆt got one yet.
Guy
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:33:00 -
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90M isk buzzard that can now be uncloaked and scramed by most t1 frig pilots ctrl+click spamming on the right spot on the overview. This is ballanced how exactly? That is one ship of mine that gets mothballed till it's back to working as it should be. I can scout in a nannoed up inty just fine and scan probe in a blackbird if needed. Well untill the next stealth nerf at least.
The whole BM thing I don't mind. I make my own and after being lag bombed several times in the past I kinda welcome this change.
The player base as a whole is revolting over queues. Just stateing that on the off chance CCP hasn't noticed this yet.
Originally by: Wrangler
Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
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Kree Jaffa
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: LiZicheng
Thanks CCP
Prices of my complete regions will go up to astronomical hights
Now I only have to find a slave in real life
I think what is going to end up happening is BM sellers will all start using macros. This will probably result in more people using macro programs for mining and other things as well.
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Lemoning Lemming
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:40:00 -
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I find the fact that Jump Queues are going to be retained absolutely appalling. This is one of thew worst things you have ever done to your customers and you are intending on continuing with it is very dissapointing in the fact of so much feedback against it.
I play this game to relax and enjoy myself after the daily grind of traffic jams etc. I do not find your simulated traffic jams either enjoyable or in any way worth paying for please could you re-think this.
If you look at the many hundreds of posts in the last few hours on this thread with negative feedback about your intentions I think you can see how strongly a lot of people feel about last week's ill conceived patch and this weeks worse modifications to this.
The arbitrary removal of courrier missions is an example of various changes that you have thrust upon an unprepared customer base recently, your actions in the last two weeks have erroaded a lot of customer goodwill and this is not your normal behaviour.
Seriously have you just employed the SOE gameplay director ? As this is going so like SWG that it is scary.
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eLLioTT wave
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:47:00 -
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To reinforce someone elses point, hold off all your terrorist threats and cancellations till we hear from CCP. They've always pulled through in the past. Let's keep it at a "we're concerned level" and not go crazy to a "we're quitting and coming to suicide bomb the server". ok? |
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:53:00 -
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Thread cleaned a bit, mostly people have been very good at keeping the feedback on a constructive level, and I realize that a lot of people are very unhappy about some of the changes in the patchnotes. However, please continue down the road of constructive feedback, and I'm sure we'll hear more on the cloaking issues as soon as the Devs have had their coffee and some time to chew on the feedback in this thread.
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: eLLioTT wave
To reinforce someone elses point, hold off all your terrorist threats and cancellations till we hear from CCP. They've always pulled through in the past. Let's keep it at a "we're concerned level" and not go crazy to a "we're quitting and coming to suicide bomb the server". ok?
This and what Mr Alex Harumichi said are more or less the most constructive posts in this thread.
Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Technosites
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.30 08:58:00 -
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If we lost a covop ship to this 'bug' and we be reaasured that we will still get refunded and that our petitions are stuck in the waiting line and we just have to wait a bit longer?
Many Thanks,
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Khajit Smitty
Minmatar
MisFunk Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Demon Johnson
CCP 4tw. Really, no joke.
Bringing a new branch online is always tough, but lots of people in this forum simply have no idea of the problems that occure when working on a large software-project. But I don¦t blame them for their ignorance, they just don¦t know better.
I am sure CCP does what they can do at this moment, and they know that some "fixes" are temporarily.
Go on CCP!
Yes, all too true. BUT what you forgot that most people are upset about THE LACK OF detailed comment/explanation regarding these changes.
I too deal with large software deployments and we are constantly explaining to our users(paying clients) why we have changed things,removed functionality etc. If we didnt they would stop using out product.
Our application is a business app, a game in my mind requires much more in explanation/comment to fixes etc that the community finds "disturbing", and honestly im sure the designers/producers (they make the decisions) are busy but it only takes 15minutes to write up a through,detailed response to why certain decisions where made. Granted some people will whine irrespective of a detailed explanation or not but honestly it will be far less than what we are seeing now.
It is CCP's product and they can do as they please, granted thats valid but if they do so with an attitude of "whats 1000 accounts lost!" they will soon catch a fast wake up as paying clients dont like to feel "un-needed".
Im upset due to a lack of detailed explanation regarding queue's and cloaks as these things have an impact of how i enjoy the game, note the work ENJOY. The changes can stay i just want to know more around the reasoning
No you cannot have my stuffffssss.
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Mini newswire
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:09:00 -
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I thought when covert ops came out that if u had started to lock a cloaking ship it wouldnt be able to cloak. This would mean that it has been bugged since release and everyone who didnt whine about oh noes the cloak ship i was targeting diserpeared it isnt supposed to do that and now sit back and smile. Finally the real bug has been fixed. All the spies who have followed me and told tales on me are now in trouble.
I for one am so happy this old bug has been fixed and that the coverts can be targeted. Go back and check the features on coverts this is how its supposed to be. Eve devs have fixed a bug celebrate.
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Voodoosuicide
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:15:00 -
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i prefer constructive crit's myself. a number of peeps have made extremely valid points concerning instas, covops and others.
is this another step in attempting to assist the pure gank community which whines incessantly or feeble excuses for the lack of creating simple solutions?
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Chewan Mesa
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:17:00 -
[349]
Originally by: Mini newswire
I thought when covert ops came out that if u had started to lock a cloaking ship it wouldnt be able to cloak. This would mean that it has been bugged since release and everyone who didnt whine about oh noes the cloak ship i was targeting diserpeared it isnt supposed to do that and now sit back and smile. Finally the real bug has been fixed. All the spies who have followed me and told tales on me are now in trouble.
I for one am so happy this old bug has been fixed and that the coverts can be targeted. Go back and check the features on coverts this is how its supposed to be. Eve devs have fixed a bug celebrate.
You my friend are wrong...
In the Dragon Patch there was the "feature" introduced that someone who is trying to cloak but gets locked will not cloak anymore.
However it was bugged in the way that the cov ops pilot saw his ship still as cloaked, but the other party didnt and killed it.
In tomorrow's patch this will be fixed, so the cov ops pilot actually knows that he/she is decloaked.
I dont know where you make it up that cov ops always were supposed not to cloak while someone tries to lock em...
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Sybylle
Amarr
Holiday On ICE
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:18:00 -
[350]
Erm...Covert ops are rather expensive frigates due to their dedicated module. I also request more details on CCP's plans regarding covert ops ships, as I cannot understand the purpose of such a change.
Regarding bookmarks, I assume bookmark copying was occuring inspace mainly.
Why not limit the copy to 5 while inspace, and maybe let it as it's right now while docked?
That would be, IMHO, a good deal for everybody ^^
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Shiraz Merlot
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:19:00 -
[351]
we need an Oveur blog to calm the waters.
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Uther Doull
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:23:00 -
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well, guess my recon ship is staying without a cloak and in the bloody hangar
i'm sure as hell not going to fork over 60m for a module that does not do what it is designed to do!
just to clarify it a bit (i'm sure ppl have already done but i'm not gonna read through all these pages)
- before dragon you could cloak when somebody was locking you but had not yet finished the lock. the cloak would then break the lock
- with dragon they broke the cloak so as that when somebody was trying to lock you you would not cloak (even though the lock had not yet finished), but you appeared cloaked on your own client but the other guy could still shoot you.
it was then put in the known issues:
Originally by: Known Issues 29-08-06
Major Issue: If a ship cloaks while it is being locked, the lock cycle is not broken. The cloaked ship will then decloak when the cycle completes.
now today (the 30th) it has disappeared from the known issues and appeared on the fix list of the thursday patch.
except that it isn't the fix you would expect, instead ccp turn this bug into a feature...
Originally by: Patch notes
If a ship that is being targeted, and cloaks, the lock will now guarantee the uncloak effect occurs.
so, either this is a stealth nerf that isn't stealthy at all, or it's a **** up that ccp doesn't know how to fix... tbh i don't know wich one is worse
ok, i have done my fair share of whining now, so just to top it off:
i'm not quiting over this, but combined with the queues and the bookmark copy nerf (either remove them completely or don't touch them) this is promising to be the most ****** up patch in my history of playing eve...
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Sharcy
Sonnema
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:25:00 -
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13 Pages of whine without even knowing how the changes will work exactly. Brilliant. To those of you leaving prematurely, can I have your stuff? 
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April Knox
Caldari
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:25:00 -
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I need some vacations since I'm stressed as hell. I suggest you to cancel your subscription for a month till you train Cov-Ops Lvl5. <<< This is being constructive.
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James Don
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: James Don on 30/08/2006 09:31:08
As constructive as I can be in such a god awful mood after reading this.
This is a DISGRACE that a bug unintentionally introduced as a bug is now being touted as a feature without ANY prior consultation to the playerbase.
I purly fly a force recon ship, I also lead fleets with the use of it and in 1 quick screw up youve destroyed its ability's totally.
Not only that but lets not forget Tux is waving the nerf bat over ECM at the moment and when that hits there are going to be pretty usless anyway but at least he had the decency to discuss these changes with the playerbase prior to a MAJOR change.
I couldnt even read this thread as it was growing faster than I could read it and it seems very heavily out weigh'd in the unhappy category.
Pleas stop whatever else you are doing, have an emergency meeting at CCP and seriously reconsider your actions.
James
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:30:00 -
[356]
I'm trying to get some official word on this, please stay patient as it's still early in Iceland.
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Altraz
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:32:00 -
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Not really trying to create a 14th page but I do agree with most of the playerbase comments regarding the new patch deployment.
15km & BM instas - Instas was made to reduce the travel time. BM and 15km's dont work too well together so remove either. As BM's are used for other purposes, removing the 15km would be a more viable solution. Not too sure how this would address BM lag abuses though. Or, as per suggestion from another EVE player, make landing random. That would nerf instas but again would make it more irritating and probably increase server load but again, it's a suggestion. With old players already having insta's to all the solar systems, restricting this would only hurt the newer playerbase. I'd agree with the majority that removing the 15km alltogether (making it warp to location) would ease a lot of suffering, not to mention making space travel faster, which would NOT necessarily mean safer.
Warp sounds - The sound's cool, just a little loud. What does it take to reduce the amplitude of this? You can keep the same sound, just make it softer. How hard is that?
Gate Queues - Why make travel longer than it's needed? Not to mention other issues that was probably already highlighted in this forum.
Cloaking - Yea, this division needs some tweaking, and I'm confident that CCP would come out with a viable solution to this, as with majority of the issues indicated above and/or by other players.
Yup, the players ARE paying customers contributing a huge steady monthly revenue to the developers, and you know what the rumors about customers being No.1 or always right. Something like that.
Cheers!
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shimmyckus
Minmatar
Black Omega Security
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:33:00 -
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I'm reading new patch notes and can't belive it. Is it possible that CCP is so *censored* that they're going thru with this?
As for bookmarks, they've chosen worst possible solution. If they only had removed them completly or found some better solution, ie. as someone suggested bookmarks on corporation level or something similar. NO, they took the worst posible solution to make ours (players) lives more miserable. Till now copying bookmarks was wasting time and last posible thing someone would like to do and with new patch it will be the worst nightmare allong with jump queues. I can only imagine the copying of 500+ bookmarks set after the patch, doing it 5 bookmarsk at the time.
Instead of CCP looking for solution to speed up the tings and make EVE more dynamical they're doing just the oposite. I can only say that EVE is turning into one big waste of time, more and more boring new featuers, wasting time on unnecessary and boring things and less and less dynamics in all this.
And on top of that, "bugs" from previos patch are becoming new features that devs "wanted" to bring into gameplay???? What do testers do in CCP, play WOW ?
How could you miss those tiny bugs? I mean how can they miss these kind of bugs in almost every patch ? I guess noone would complain about cloaking device newest feature if it didn't came into gameplay with last patch or if it was in previous patch notes. And whole point of ships that were supposed to use cloaking device is now rendered and useless. Realy who is going to use stealth bombers now? Or covop ships? They're so fragile that cloaking before they got locked was theirs only chance of survival. Why waisting 50+ mil ISK on a ship that will pop instantly?
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Chewan Mesa
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sharcy
13 Pages of whine without even knowing how the changes will work exactly. Brilliant. No you can't. -Ivan K
lol thats exactly the point of all the replies..we wanna know how it will actually work...
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PostPatchBM King
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:40:00 -
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Wow-cool. I've got a little over 35 complete regional sets of bookmarks and although I'm pretty much out of business from this patch I can now go ahead and turn pirate and pretty much have a serious advantage over anyone who hasn't been able to buy any up until this point or anyone who starts playing Eve from this day forward-because they certainly will never be able to afford them. I'll be a demigod-and they will never ever be able to compete with my royal uber-ness. Hmmm.... but then again...why on earth would they wan't to bother playing?
Food for thought:
-The first Bloodlines patch was intended to slow down copying. It did indeed.What used to take minutes now takes hours.
-If people are using exploits (such as making copies to intentionally lag out opponents), why not warn and then ban as you would with any other exploit?
-Would making copies more difficult outside of the station environment achieve the same objective without completely destroying the ability to make copies?
-If you must destroy bookmarks, why not introduce something else at the same time to offset the travelling impediment? IMHO anything that makes travel any slower than it already is is not condusive to an enjoyable playing experience.
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