Originally by: Andriah

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Most of the EVE devs are solo pirates in this game (I've heard this a number of times), and it ****es them off that players can insta to a gate, so they nerf instas...it ****es them off that players jump into another system to escape...so they nerf jump gates...and it ****es them off that players can cloak after jumping, thus preventing an easy kill....all of these nerfs are so more players will loose more ships to pirates (aka them). Am I to believe this is just a coincidence that ALL of these nerfs just HAPPEN to make it MUCH easier for pirates to kill players? ...I think not!

...This is also why they introduced warp bubbles and then did not introduce a mod to counter them (aka warp scramblers/WCS)...they dont want there to be any counter...im very surprised they dont remove WCS from the game. They obviously want LOTS of people to be loosing LOTS more ships than they currently do.

...but wait, there's more!!! one of the DEV's "Redundancy" was talking about EVE economics a week or so ago, also about money faucets and sinks in the game....
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=366
The point is....EVE has too many money faucets and not enough sinks...so EVE is introducing more money sinks...so they are implementing ways to make it much easier for you to loose your ship.
Unfortunately the Dev's lack the ingenuity to come up with better ways to control the economics of this game than to deliberately make a player loose his ship as easily as possible.

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Originally by: kieron

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We realize this is a departure from our normal Tuesday patch routine, but we feel the fixes and changes made in this patch are too important to leave for a week.

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Originally by: Andriah

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Edited by: Andriah on 30/08/2006 05:57:21

Originally by: ForceAttuned Krogoth

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Edited by: ForceAttuned Krogoth on 30/08/2006 05:26:41

Originally by: Andriah

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...but wait, there's more!!! one of the DEV's "Redundancy" was talking about EVE economics a week or so ago, also about money faucets and sinks in the game....
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=366
The point is....EVE has too many money faucets and not enough sinks...so EVE is introducing more money sinks...so they are implementing ways to make it much easier for you to loose your ship.
Unfortunately the Dev's lack the ingenuity to come up with better ways to control the economics of this game than to deliberately make a player loose his ship as easily as possible.

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sinks have to take isk out of the system, ships getting destroyed does not take isk out of the system, it just moves it around. You have to remove the currency in the game like taxes and fines are the only way that eve takes money out of the system. All of these NPCers getting millions of each BS kill is what is killing eve's economy not macro miners... not like i like them either but they are making ships cost less ^^;

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So who gets the 32 mil I paid to insure my Raven? ...I'm not sure what the definition of a sink is to you but that sure meets my definition...that 32 mil is completely removed from the game....not just a change of hands.

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8/14/2006
NEW PCU RECORD
Yesterday at 18:21 a new PCU milestone was reached as 28020 EVE Players were logged in at the same time. The dream of reaching more than 30K simultaneous users is closer to becoming a reality.

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CCP is not about making copycat products with compromised quality.
Source: http://www.ccpgames.com/company/default.asp

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Originally by: Marcusi

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CCP,

I'm part of a large gaming community that actively recruits new Eve players. The first complaint I hear from all new players is that space travel is too slow. The autopilot warping to 15km and slow boating to the gate is the thing that kills most player's interst. I'd hazard a guess that we lose about 30% of new players just at that point.

One of the first things we teach new players in our community is how to use bookmarks just to make space travel bearable. A trip that takes 5 minutes with bookmarks is an excrutiating half hour without them. People have Real Life and the first thing they encounter with Eve is just getting from point A to point B robs them of time. Currently, the ONLY way for people to juggle playing the game and having time for Real Life is to extensively use bookmarks for travel.

I'm also in a corp which has faced opponents who use well known tactics to intentionally lag the system. Having a perfectly empty system that is working fine suddenly lock up for 3 minutes when they enter. It's obvious in this case that bookmarks are being abused.

CCP has talked of ISK faucets. Selling bookmark insta sets is the ultimate isk faucet. Truly manufacturing isk out of nothing. With the increased time commitment imposed by a 5 at a time copy limit, the value of insta sets goes up. The isk faucet is opened wide.

How much server load is created by the copying of bookmarks? There's no other action in the game that I've encountered that puts as much load on as copying bookmarks. Just opening a cargo hold with a region can take 5 minutes or more. And today, after the announcement of the 5-copy-limit, I know that there are a LOT of people copying bookmarks. And curiously, I've noticed a number of queues too. Are they related? I can only speculate, but it seems feasible. What are the metrics on this?

Problems to solve:

1. Tediously long travel times
2. Bookmarks being abused to lag the system
3. ISK faucets
4. System load

In my opinion, the 15km warp-to limit is the source of these problems. Travel instas are merely a reaction.

I understand CCP saying they want to ensure that travel isn't without peril, hence the 15km warp-to limit; however, the problems it has created seem to be counter productive to the value of the game. Seasoned 0.0 players all use instas for travel, and yet 0.0 travel still isn't safe.

Please, address the real problem, not the symptom that is causing the harmful side effects.

Removing the 15km gate limit would significantly address these problems. The only reasonable use for a bookmark is for empty space such as safe spots or mission loot locations. And in that case, a 5-copy limit is perfectly acceptable.

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Originally by: Miss Overlord

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Covert ops CCP have stated this is an intital reaction and a full fix can be worked out of the next week (non event till then)

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Originally by: Alex Harumichi

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This has got to be a joke.

First off, covops ships which are already iffy to fly because they require a currently 60M module (price direct result of sloppy game design with t2 cloaks and the broken BPO system) become instant road kill if anyone so much as manages to start locking them?

Second, the jump queue system, which already has a near-20-page thread detailing why it's killing pvp in the game, will be left as is?

Do the devs have any idea of what the above two will do to the game? Covops are already screwed due to cloak issues, and now this. And since this thread might actually get some proper dev response (unlike aforementioned N-page thread), how about someone official coming here and telling us how:

a) we're supposed to move gangs system-to-system without them trickling one-by-one into the waiting arms of a gate camp

b) we're supposed to escort anything, when the escorts might get randomly separated from the target at any gate?

c) we're supposed to have tactical warfare in general, when any gate might randomly not function with no way to know in advance?

And don't give me crap about "it only happens in major hub system". It happens all the time, sometimes with systems with only 2-3 other people in them. It happens in 1.0. It happens in 0.4. It happens in 0.0. People are losing ships to it all the time, and there is no way they can fight it. Other than not use jump gates.

Seriously, these two points seriously make me question where CCP is headed right now, and if the people in charge have a clue anymore. Or if there really is anyone in charge, is everyone competent in panic mode scrambling after server performance problems and the rest are making these decisions?

If these changes are intended to stay, we need discussion right now about:

1) the complete plan for covert ops and cloaking, assuming there is one. Why was the cloaking change implemented, what problem is it trying to solve.

2) an explanation of how we're supposed to have tactical PVP in the game with the random gate queues, ideally with a discussion of what real problem this was trying to solve (and why that problem is bigger than the disaster it's causing), and an explanation of what the final system will look like.

We're waiting.

And skip the pseudo-funny "we were drunk at the time" stuff, if ceased to be funny some time ago as a response to serious player issues, and just looks like what it is (an attempt to skirt the issue).

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Originally by: Marcusi

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I understand CCP saying they want to ensure that travel isn't without peril, hence the 15km warp-to limit; however, the problems it has created seem to be counter productive to the value of the game. Seasoned 0.0 players all use instas for travel, and yet 0.0 travel still isn't safe.

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Removing the 15km gate limit would significantly address these problems. The only reasonable use for a bookmark is for empty space such as safe spots or mission loot locations. And in that case, a 5-copy limit is perfectly acceptable.

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