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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2015.01.16 17:29:53 -
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Badman Lasermouse wrote:Removing Awoxing means nothing to actual High Sec PVPers. Honestly its probably a good change. People will adapt, or they won't, doesn't really matter.
Don't ******* touch my wars though.
It will happen, and you know it.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1508
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Posted - 2015.01.16 17:31:39 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:
The problem lies with grief dec having no meaningful gameplay for the defender, making takedown the only rational solution, rather than not playing the game for a week or getting meaninglessly wiped out by an grief deccing opponent who carefully selected you as a target that he can grief.
PvP Corps carefully selectin' their targets? Whutevah next? Target's defendin' themselves or makin' it hard for the attackers to find them and stop them makin' Isk? Nah that would be too much like hard work, right?
The issue is how proefficient the deccer corp have become (this is completely to their honor after learning how to do it better) that the corp not looking for that gameplay will be outplayed if he tries so he take the next logical step to protect what he "owns".
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
7534
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Posted - 2015.01.16 17:38:49 -
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J'Poll wrote:
This is just the next move to keep the highsec whiners happy.
Lots of whiners in this thread and mostly from high sec. They don't seem very happy, though.
Mr Epeen 
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
29
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Posted - 2015.01.16 17:47:33 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
The issue is how proefficient the deccer corp have become (this is completely to their honor after learning how to do it better) that the corp not looking for that gameplay will be outplayed if he tries so he take the next logical step to protect what he "owns".
Avoiding losses in war is an entirely different style to attempting to cause losses and is much more suited to the skills and abilities of non-PVP corps. They are jus' too lazy t'do it. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6099
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Posted - 2015.01.16 17:55:11 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:J'Poll wrote:
This is just the next move to keep the highsec whiners happy.
Lots of whiners in this thread and mostly from high sec. They don't seem very happy, though. Mr Epeen
I'm noticing the same pattern.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
48
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:02:02 -
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Honestly? What is my opinion about this?THis Awoxing issue Its Fine with me does it suck like the OP stated? No it dosnt matter to me because it dosnt really affect me in anyway or Form. The Only person who will be affected by this is the Awoxer Himself because he wont be able to do it. trust me he wont be Missed.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1508
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:05:42 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
The issue is how proefficient the deccer corp have become (this is completely to their honor after learning how to do it better) that the corp not looking for that gameplay will be outplayed if he tries so he take the next logical step to protect what he "owns".
Avoiding losses in war is an entirely different style to attempting to cause losses and is much more suited to the skills and abilities of non-PVP corps. They are jus' too lazy t'do it.
Any deccer corp worth it's salt will overwhelm anything the everyday industrial corp can muster and you know it. Undocking a half skilled fail fit caracal won't break anything they face so it's just a few more millions thrown down the drain. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1683
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:06:07 -
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Bob is incapable of handling developer intent. Whatever, I live in lowsec anyway. I am going to take it out by awoxing some Bobs that think they are safe because of Standings or whatever.
"Your security standing has been lowered" |
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
29
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:08:16 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
The issue is how proefficient the deccer corp have become (this is completely to their honor after learning how to do it better) that the corp not looking for that gameplay will be outplayed if he tries so he take the next logical step to protect what he "owns".
Avoiding losses in war is an entirely different style to attempting to cause losses and is much more suited to the skills and abilities of non-PVP corps. They are jus' too lazy t'do it. Any deccer corp worth it's salt will overwhelm anything the everyday industrial corp can muster and you know it. Undocking a half skilled fail fit caracal won't break anything they face so it's just a few more millions thrown down the drain.
Ah know you are smarter than this. In what way would being where the deccers are prevent losses? Where did I mention fightin'? |
Commander Spurty
Dimension Door
We need wards.
1414
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:08:21 -
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Experts are calling this a "Seriously sensible setting".
In other news, tears flooded forth from the masses of unwashed alts of super cap pilots who can't log in without permission from their alliance fuhrer.
How is AWOXing good for the game? It's just not.
Leave high sec to the n00bs, go shoot anyone you want, any time you want in low-sec, null-sec, Wormholes.
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Solecist Project
All Glory to the HypnoBoobs
18697
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:09:44 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Bob is incapable of handling developer intent. Whatever, I live in lowsec anyway. I am going to take it out by awoxing some Bobs that think they are safe because of Standings or whatever.
"Your security standing has been lowered"
Your security status ...
... has been lowered.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
995
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:10:33 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Killing new players in noob corps is not Awoxing.
The End.
No, that would be griefing.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9350
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:16:02 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Honestly? What is my opinion about this?THis Awoxing issue Its Fine with me does it suck like the OP stated? No it dosnt matter to me because it dosnt really affect me in anyway or Form. The Only person who will be affected by this is the Awoxer Himself because he wont be able to do it. trust me he wont be Missed.
I will never understand why people think this way. Of course it will have an affect on you in some way, EVE isn't jsut a game, it's an interconnected society, EVERYTHING everyone does affects someone in some way.
This 'awox button' will mean more people will join play corps. Some of those corps will be good experiences, most of them will be bad experiences which could quite possibly accelerate a 'new players' decision to quit.
Some of those corps will be on the up and up, others will simply be 'new player grist mills' for established players to make isk off of instead of having to rat/mission/explore themselves (because the new players won't know any better). Hello "Renting" in high sec, because this change ends up creating the same meta-condition in high sec that lead to vast swaths of null becoming good for nothing but renting.
Those corps will have lower taxes than the npc corps (npc corp taxes are ISK SINKS), meaning more isk in circulation in the game after this change happens. Congratulations, the isk in your wallet is now worth less than it was before because less isk being sunk means devaluation of currently existing isk.
And on and on and on.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1508
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:23:27 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
The issue is how proefficient the deccer corp have become (this is completely to their honor after learning how to do it better) that the corp not looking for that gameplay will be outplayed if he tries so he take the next logical step to protect what he "owns".
Avoiding losses in war is an entirely different style to attempting to cause losses and is much more suited to the skills and abilities of non-PVP corps. They are jus' too lazy t'do it. Any deccer corp worth it's salt will overwhelm anything the everyday industrial corp can muster and you know it. Undocking a half skilled fail fit caracal won't break anything they face so it's just a few more millions thrown down the drain. Ah know you are smarter than this. In what way would being where the deccers are prevent losses? Where did I mention fightin'?
If you go elsewhere, they can just run locators which is something deccers worth their salt will also do. If you don't have the player skill/knowledge to fight, no amount of effort will be better than turtling up. |
Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker and Sons
3
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:27:03 -
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Shailagh wrote:Wtf happened to making bears work to AVOID BEING KILLED.
This is the pinnacle question... when did eve and ccp as a whole go from telling errrybody EVE IS DANGEROUS LOOK OUT! PROTECT YOSELF! ITS DANGER BEHIND THAT DOOR!!
TO.
OK NOW EVRRYONE LISTEN THERES THESE BAD MEAN GUYS OUT THERE BUT DONT YOU WORRY, WE WILL NOT ONLY GIVE YOY THE TOOLDS TO AVOID THE DANGER YOURSELF... WELL HOLD YOUR HAND AND CODDLR YOU AMD TOTALLY PRotect you. Dont worry
I can't speak to CCP's intentions, but don't underestimate the power of reverse psychology. Maybe part of the reason newbies don't leave highsec (but leave the game instead) is that they feel like the game is already too scary and unpredictable.
Let them live in a padded room with everything baby-proofed and bubble-wrapped, and maybe the boredom will awaken in some of them a desire to have a real adventure. |
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
29
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:27:21 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
If you go elsewhere, they can just run locators which is something deccers worth their salt will also do. If you don't have the player skill/knowledge to fight, no amount of effort will be better than turtling up.
Ah'm sorry that your knowledge of Evasive Strategy appears so limited. |
Aredontis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:33:42 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Tim Timpson wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Scenario 2 can only be achieved at the expense of gameplay mechanics that have made EVE what it has been over the past 12 years. Not really. they could convert 1 region to complete safety for example, reduce the reward given from activity in that region considerably, ban scamming from that region and have the higher end activity encourage people to move out of it. That wouldn't be at the expense of existing gameplay, since the existing gameplay would still exist. It would probably make a bunch of people foam at the mouth at the idea of people being safe, but we get that anyway. Yea, that totally worked with Trammel, why not here? Sorry if I exploded any sarcasm meters.
According to the records (yes 'wiki not definitive blah blah') Trammel was successful enough for 5 expansions to follow it and lead to 250K subs, sooo wanna try again?
"Eventually, the Renaissance expansion created large areas of the game in which it was not possible to harm other players. A significant spike in account reactivation was attributed to this aspect of Renaissance." QFT (Renaissance = Trammel)
** Note - I've only read to page 10, but felt like pointing this out. |
Aredontis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:36:07 -
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J'Poll wrote:Why, because the vast majority of PvE players is completely risk-adverse.
They rather spent twice as long in low paying safety then better ISK for a bit more risk.
Which is their play style, and no more or less valid than yours. |
Hiasa Kite
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
131
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:38:31 -
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Commander Spurty wrote:Experts are calling this a "Seriously sensible setting".
In other news, tears flooded forth from the masses of unwashed alts of super cap pilots who can't log in without permission from their alliance fuhrer.
How is AWOXing good for the game? It's just not.
Leave high sec to the n00bs, go shoot anyone you want, any time you want in low-sec, null-sec, Wormholes.
If only it were inhabited by noobs.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
48
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:41:34 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Honestly? What is my opinion about this?THis Awoxing issue Its Fine with me does it suck like the OP stated? No it dosnt matter to me because it dosnt really affect me in anyway or Form. The Only person who will be affected by this is the Awoxer Himself because he wont be able to do it. trust me he wont be Missed. I will never understand why people think this way. Of course it will have an affect on you in some way, EVE isn't jsut a game, it's an interconnected society, EVERYTHING everyone does affects someone in some way. This 'awox button' will mean more people will join play corps. Some of those corps will be good experiences, most of them will be bad experiences which could quite possibly accelerate a 'new players' decision to quit. Some of those corps will be on the up and up, others will simply be 'new player grist mills' for established players to make isk off of instead of having to rat/mission/explore themselves (because the new players won't know any better). Hello "Renting" in high sec, because this change ends up creating the same meta-condition in high sec that lead to vast swaths of null becoming good for nothing but renting. Those corps will have lower taxes than the npc corps (npc corp taxes are ISK SINKS), meaning more isk in circulation in the game after this change happens. Congratulations, the isk in your wallet is now worth less than it was before because less isk being sunk means devaluation of currently existing isk. And on and on and on.
Your Right! Im happy they have the awox button and more people will join corps i m for it. However its not my Cup of tea i prefer not to join a corp or a alliance its to restricting . Of course i will connect and building relationship with others and making friends or form fleet s im already working on that In My New Home Thera.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5507
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:43:02 -
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Joe Starbreaker wrote:Shailagh wrote:Wtf happened to making bears work to AVOID BEING KILLED.
This is the pinnacle question... when did eve and ccp as a whole go from telling errrybody EVE IS DANGEROUS LOOK OUT! PROTECT YOSELF! ITS DANGER BEHIND THAT DOOR!!
TO.
OK NOW EVRRYONE LISTEN THERES THESE BAD MEAN GUYS OUT THERE BUT DONT YOU WORRY, WE WILL NOT ONLY GIVE YOY THE TOOLDS TO AVOID THE DANGER YOURSELF... WELL HOLD YOUR HAND AND CODDLR YOU AMD TOTALLY PRotect you. Dont worry I can't speak to CCP's intentions, but don't underestimate the power of reverse psychology. Maybe part of the reason newbies don't leave highsec (but leave the game instead) is that they feel like the game is already too scary and unpredictable. Let them live in a padded room with everything baby-proofed and bubble-wrapped, and maybe the boredom will awaken in some of them a desire to have a real adventure.
And the fun part.
Nothing will change. Do you think someone will Awox a shitfit venture or a L1 fitted frigate.
Awoxers go after the pimp fits.
I think that ganking is more of an issue to new players then awoxing.
And to reply in advance to all the retards with just half a braincell.
A proper new player friendly corp is already that even without a change.
If the corp now doesnt accept cause they arw too affraid, after the change they still wont (aah you are a spy / thief) and if they do. They let new players in, this doesnt automatically means they are a new player friendly corp.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5507
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:44:38 -
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Aredontis wrote:J'Poll wrote:Why, because the vast majority of PvE players is completely risk-adverse.
They rather spent twice as long in low paying safety then better ISK for a bit more risk. Which is their play style, and no more or less valid than yours.
Never said that it isnt their right.
But CCP should stop just making the game safer and safer to suit the whiners.
By your own definition. Awoxers are as much allowed to play the game that way as a carebear is allowed to bear.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9351
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:03:00 -
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Aredontis wrote:
According to the records (yes 'wiki not definitive blah blah') Trammel was successful enough for 5 expansions to follow it and lead to 250K subs, sooo wanna try again?
I don't need to try again, because AFTER it hit those 250k subs it fell off the face of the earth (back below 100k subs in 4 years).
Thanks for unwittingly proving the point i was trying to make, you're a good wingman. |
Tim Timpson
Solitude Trading
10
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:03:21 -
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J'Poll wrote:Sorry. But how come that there are numerous of new player friendly corps already out there atm that assist new players into the way of EVE. There are a few. Most corps listed in the "newbie friendly" part of the ads are either there to attract unknowing people to collect tax from or otherwise extort, or the vast majority which are run by people with no clue what they are doing. If they knew what they were doing they'd know what awoxing is and know that opening your corp up to everyone is asking for trouble.
J'Poll wrote:New players have nothing to do with this.
If CCP wanted more new players to get into a player corp, they would have updated their NPE to get it happening.
This is just the next move to keep the highsec whiners happy. I tend to believe CCP over yourself. They do have the statistics on why players are leaving. You struggled earlier with just working out how mining yield was calculated, so no offence but you telling us it's about "the whiners" is pretty laughable. |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5510
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:04:40 -
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Aredontis wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:They can fix that by removing the NPC corporation mechanic. So in your mind, removing a mechanic that you don't use, but allows "tears to be gathered" (awoxing) is bad, but removing a mechanic, that you don't use, that allows people to avoid shedding tears (NPC corps) is okay?? pot <> kettle?
Even better...just remove high-sec and low-sec.
Empire becomes NPC null.
It means you must work together to survive...
Everybody has high paying (*cough* according to highsec rwtards) activity and awoxing and ganking doesnt exist anymore.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5511
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:07:23 -
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Tim Timpson wrote:J'Poll wrote:Sorry. But how come that there are numerous of new player friendly corps already out there atm that assist new players into the way of EVE. There are a few. Most corps listed in the "newbie friendly" part of the ads are either there to attract unknowing people to collect tax from or otherwise extort, or the vast majority which are run by people with no clue what they are doing. If they knew what they were doing they'd know what awoxing is and know that opening your corp up to everyone is asking for trouble. J'Poll wrote:New players have nothing to do with this.
If CCP wanted more new players to get into a player corp, they would have updated their NPE to get it happening.
This is just the next move to keep the highsec whiners happy. I tend to believe CCP over yourself. They do have the statistics on why players are leaving. You struggled earlier with just working out how mining yield was calculated, so no offence but you telling us it's about "the whiners" is pretty laughable.
You do know the in game corp search ads suck.
But if you did some research you would find over 40 corps (yes, I do have a list and try to keep it up to date) who are good and very new player friendly.
But apparantly you didnt kbow that cause that would mean learning something new and spent time doing something other then carebearing.
Too bad not every account is actually asked why they leave. So there is no statistica about that (proof it...)
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9352
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:08:05 -
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Btw, this thread should be official renamed the "Helen Lovejoy defence". |
Tim Timpson
Solitude Trading
10
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:08:48 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:This 'awox button' will mean more people will join play corps. Some of those corps will be good experiences, most of them will be bad experiences which could quite possibly accelerate a 'new players' decision to quit. They already join and have bad experiences, because almost everyone currently recruiting noobs with zero history is terrible at EVE. What this change does is mean that you can safely recruit noobs when you have actual corporation security policies in place.
Jenn aSide wrote:Some of those corps will be on the up and up, others will simply be 'new player grist mills' for established players to make isk off of instead of having to rat/mission/explore themselves (because the new players won't know any better). Hello "Renting" in high sec, because this change ends up creating the same meta-condition in high sec that lead to vast swaths of null becoming good for nothing but renting. You say this as if those corps don't already exist for this reason. If I'm just farming noobs for tax, I don't give a crap whether or not they kill each other.
Jenn aSide wrote:Those corps will have lower taxes than the npc corps (npc corp taxes are ISK SINKS), meaning more isk in circulation in the game after this change happens. Congratulations, the isk in your wallet is now worth less than it was before because less isk being sunk means devaluation of currently existing isk. This is bordering on insanity it's so far into fantasy. |
Solecist Project
All Glory to the HypnoBoobs
18700
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:08:49 -
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J'Poll wrote:You do know the in game corp search ads suck.
But if you did some research you would find over 40 corps (yes, I do have a list and try to keep it up to date) who are good and very new player friendly.
But apparantly you didnt kbow that cause that would mean learning something new and spent time doing something other then carebearing. Would you mind sharing the names in private,
so I can check out if they are actually worth the time new players spend there?
There are way too many "new player friendly corps" that should be removed from the game,
because they hurt more than they do any good.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2511
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:10:28 -
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The lesson to be taken away here is that we should just do away with pvp in high-sec altogether, since that's what the majority wants, and the majority must be catered to. Leave the rest of the mechanics intact, and give the modern gamer what they're asking for.
Whether or not CCP fails or becomes the most profitable company in the world because of this is irrelevant to the discussion. There's obviously no room in the world for the product that EVE has been so far, because its very concept is to not cater to what the majority of its users are asking for, which lies in direct conflict with the socially, economically, and politically accepted argument that the function of a business is to make as much money as possible.
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