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Solecist Project Weapons of Mass Distraction 18913	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:04:08 - [541] - Quote Okay so Basil gets a 8/10 from me for making you idiots reply all the time ... ... and it's only an 8/10, because you people really are way too easy to trigger. I'm surrounded by victims. Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D Come along now, come along with me and I'll eeaasee your pain..
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 105	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:05:06 - [542] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: Just because numerically disabled people can't do it efficiently doesn't mean it's bad. Of course not. It's bad because it amounts to people playing an MMO like a single player game. Anything that does so, or enables that to be done is bad by definition. There is no way to play Eve as a single player game. And I've never been to WoW and not planning to. A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
Dave stark 7277	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:05:10 - [543] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: Dave Stark wrote: remind me again how an awox happens if players aren't interacting? i'm all for discussing it, but if you're going to come out with idiotic comments like that. stop posting. Is it me or you're not even reading today, did something happened? Somebody kicked your cat or smth this morning? I said "negative player interaction". And awox is, without a doubt, a negative interaction. yes, and you can't have a negative quantity of interaction. But the quality of it, to which I was obviously referring, since quantity is quite irrelevant in this, can be and is negative. you were obviously referring to something we weren't talking about? okay.... the quality of most things in this game is negative, for half of the playerbase. that's generally how it works, what's good for one side, is bad for the other. if we remove anything that could be considered negative we'd have nothing left. Basil Pupkin wrote: And I've never been to WoW and not planning to. You'd love it. I highly recommend.
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11279	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:07:46 - [544] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: There is no way to play Eve as a single player game. That doesn't stop people like from trying your hardest. Or from campaigning to make the game revolve around your misuse of it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2550	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:08:42 - [545] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: And I've never been to WoW and not planning to. You'd love it. I highly recommend. He wouldn't, actually. Maybe creative mode Minecraft. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 105	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:10:35 - [546] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: Dave Stark wrote: remind me again how an awox happens if players aren't interacting? i'm all for discussing it, but if you're going to come out with idiotic comments like that. stop posting. Is it me or you're not even reading today, did something happened? Somebody kicked your cat or smth this morning? I said "negative player interaction". And awox is, without a doubt, a negative interaction. yes, and you can't have a negative quantity of interaction. But the quality of it, to which I was obviously referring, since quantity is quite irrelevant in this, can be and is negative. you were obviously referring to something we weren't talking about? okay.... the quality of most things in this game is negative, for half of the playerbase. that's generally how it works, what's good for one side, is bad for the other. if we remove anything that could be considered negative we'd have nothing left. Agreed. Which is why I'm not advocating to completely remove awoxing, and why I'm agreeing with you on neutral logi issue. But quality is not zero-sum. Some things are net worth negative and net worth positive, and dumbmode point-click-killmail awoxing is one of the most net worth negative things in eve. You can still awox smartly, you can still awox in your own corp, so what is your problem with this change exactly? About the only thing which happened is that 10 hour heroes won't be able to join random, often newbie corps, and have a free wrecking permit in it. A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 105	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:12:33 - [547] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: And I've never been to WoW and not planning to. You'd love it. I highly recommend. He wouldn't, actually. Maybe creative mode Minecraft. If you love it so much, what are you all doing here? If awoxing unsuspecting newbies is your only fun, why don't you go back to WoW instead? A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2550	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:12:57 - [548] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: Some things are net worth negative and net worth positive, and dumbmode point-click-killmail awoxing is one of the most net worth negative things in eve. What about dumbmode point-click-dump mining? If we're going to measure the net worth of a gameplay activity by that sort of metric, then... I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11279	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:13:38 - [549] - Quote Please note, fellas. This is the same Basil who thinks that there is an imaginary "exploit" involving the attackers in a wardec being allowed to dock while the deck is active. Or whatever his new lie is. So if you're fine with removing awoxing, wardecs are griefing in your eyes, and I know before you've told me that ganking has to go away for good... why the hell do you play this game? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2550	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:14:03 - [550] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: And I've never been to WoW and not planning to. You'd love it. I highly recommend. He wouldn't, actually. Maybe creative mode Minecraft. If you love it so much, what are you all doing here? If awoxing unsuspecting newbies is your only fun, why don't you go back to WoW instead? We can't "go back" somewhere else if we've been here from the beginning. You're invading our play style, we're not invading yours. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Dave stark 7277	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:15:28 - [551] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: But quality is not zero-sum. considering that's not the topic; it doesn't matter.
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 105	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:15:45 - [552] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: Some things are net worth negative and net worth positive, and dumbmode point-click-killmail awoxing is one of the most net worth negative things in eve. What about dumbmode point-click-dump mining? If we're going to measure the net worth of a gameplay activity by that sort of metric, then... I can clearly see you've never been to a mining OP. Solo mining is derp, no argument here. Mining OPs are very different. At least proper ones are. A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11281	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:16:46 - [553] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: Some things are net worth negative and net worth positive, and dumbmode point-click-killmail awoxing is one of the most net worth negative things in eve. What about dumbmode point-click-dump mining? If we're going to measure the net worth of a gameplay activity by that sort of metric, then... Of course not. That kind of standard for removal or savage nerfing of a mechanic clearly only applies to people who actually play the game, not people who are afk. Silly Destiny, expecting consistency. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2553	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:17:37 - [554] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: Some things are net worth negative and net worth positive, and dumbmode point-click-killmail awoxing is one of the most net worth negative things in eve. What about dumbmode point-click-dump mining? If we're going to measure the net worth of a gameplay activity by that sort of metric, then... I can clearly see you've never been to a mining OP. Solo mining is derp, no argument here. Mining OPs are very different. At least proper ones are. I have (do you even know how much of that **** I had to sit through during my infiltrations), and the only difference between solo mining and group mining is that in the case of the latter, people are talking about beer and sports over voip. There's absolutely nothing different mechanically. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2553	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:20:34 - [555] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Silly Destiny, expecting consistency. Sorry, old habit. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 105	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:20:50 - [556] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Please note, fellas. This is the same Basil who thinks that there is an imaginary "exploit" involving the attackers in a wardec being allowed to dock while the deck is active. Or whatever his new lie is. So if you're fine with removing awoxing, wardecs are griefing in your eyes, and I know before you've told me that ganking has to go away for good... why the hell do you play this game? I stated on every page that I'm NOT for removal of awoxing. In fact, on this very page I stated it twice (this is third time). I also stated every time to you that I'm NOT for removal of war decs. Only grief decs need to be removed, where you dec carefully selected corp with 7 newbies in it just for the griefing. I have also said a number of times that I'm NOT for removal of ganking. But easymode ganking where every "codeosis" sicko hops into a catalyst and has almost 100% success rate in a free ship - it must go. I'm for raising a bar on all those activities, so it can't be done while doing harlem shake at your PC. Mining already has this bar, as solo and afk mining are basically charity in terms of income. Why not those activities also? A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
Aiyshimin Shiva Furnace 352	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:20:54 - [557] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: because botting is illegal, and balancing issues. neither of those apply to awoxing. Of course it's a balancing issue. Anyway, awoxing will be gone so hope you carebears find some other ways to get your kicks.
Dave Stark 7278	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:23:44 - [558] - Quote Aiyshimin wrote: Dave Stark wrote: because botting is illegal, and balancing issues. neither of those apply to awoxing. Of course it's a balancing issue. Anyway, awoxing will be gone so hope you carebears find some other ways to get your kicks. sure there's a balancing issue with awoxing - it's now neutral logi works not the fact that you can shoot corp members.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2553	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:24:15 - [559] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: I'm for raising a bar on all those activities, so it can't be done while doing harlem shake at your PC. Mining already has this bar, as solo and afk mining are basically charity in terms of income. Why not those activities also? Mining has no such bar, not any more so than ganking. In fact, the profitability of both activities, when both happen at the same time, is roughly equal for all parties involved. You're in favor of raising the bar on pvp activities, but you're not willing to do the same for pve players. That's entitlement. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11283	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:27:25 - [560] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: I stated on every page that I'm NOT for removal of awoxing. Of course not, you simply thoroughly approve of it's being removed. Quote: I also stated every time to you that I'm NOT for removal of war decs. Of course not, just the ones that don't fit your sense of e-honor. Also something about some nonsense "exploit" involving a pos refinery, or whatever it is you told me the last time you forgot your medication. Quote: I have also said a number of times that I'm NOT for removal of ganking. Of course not, just ganking that involves: being mean, hurting anyone's feelings, making a profit, deriving any satisfaction from the kill, or the ganker getting back into highsec once he hits neg ten. But that totally isn't the removal of ganking. Quote: I'm for raising a bar on all those activities, so it can't be done while doing harlem shake at your PC. And the second each and every PvE activity doesn't require far less engagement from the player, we can talk about that. But the reality is that you're a liar and a hypocrite who just wants to make every activity you don't personally approve of into extremely suboptimal, handcuffed, neutered gameplay. Go back to WoW. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.

Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 105	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:30:06 - [561] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: I'm for raising a bar on all those activities, so it can't be done while doing harlem shake at your PC. Mining already has this bar, as solo and afk mining are basically charity in terms of income. Why not those activities also? Mining has no such bar, not any more so than ganking. In fact, the profitability of both activities, when both happen at the same time, is roughly equal for all parties involved. You're in favor of raising the bar on pvp activities, but you're not willing to do the same for pve players. That's entitlement. You have no idea about mining clearly. Income of ganking is hundreds of millions per hour, income of afk mining is 3 mil / hour, income of solo mining is 10 mil / hour at all skills to V. Gank is free, can be done in 10 hours after making new alt, and first 3 catalysts are provided free of charge by the tutorial Mining requires barges, logistics, and a bunch of skills to V, and still not profitable. A properly organized mining OP breaks 30 mil / hour per barge, which is a bar I was talking about - without proper organization, preparation and setup, you are barely making 33% of what you're supposed to make. But there is no such bar in ganking, grief deccing, and awoxing. A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2555	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:31:44 - [562] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: And the second each and every PvE activity doesn't require far less engagement from the player, we can talk about that. But the reality is that you're a liar and a hypocrite who just wants to make every activity you don't personally approve of into extremely suboptimal, handcuffed, neutered gameplay. Go back to WoW. I'm telling you man, he wouldn't enjoy WoW. He argues exactly like the type of WoW player that plays on a pve server, and then posts a hate-filled whine thread on the forums after some guy mines out "his" Thorium node or something. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11283	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:32:47 - [563] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: And the second each and every PvE activity doesn't require far less engagement from the player, we can talk about that. But the reality is that you're a liar and a hypocrite who just wants to make every activity you don't personally approve of into extremely suboptimal, handcuffed, neutered gameplay. Go back to WoW. I'm telling you man, he wouldn't enjoy WoW. He argues exactly like the type of WoW player that plays on a pve server, and then posts a hate-filled whine thread on the forums after some guy mines out "his" Thorium node or something. Do they have a game for people with that severe of a mental illness? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 105	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:32:51 - [564] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: I stated on every page that I'm NOT for removal of awoxing. Of course not, you simply thoroughly approve of it's being removed. Quote: I also stated every time to you that I'm NOT for removal of war decs. Of course not, just the ones that don't fit your sense of e-honor. Also something about some nonsense "exploit" involving a pos refinery, or whatever it is you told me the last time you forgot your medication. Quote: I have also said a number of times that I'm NOT for removal of ganking. Of course not, just ganking that involves: being mean, hurting anyone's feelings, making a profit, deriving any satisfaction from the kill, or the ganker getting back into highsec once he hits neg ten. But that totally isn't the removal of ganking. Quote: I'm for raising a bar on all those activities, so it can't be done while doing harlem shake at your PC. And the second each and every PvE activity doesn't require far less engagement from the player, we can talk about that. But the reality is that you're a liar and a hypocrite who just wants to make every activity you don't personally approve of into extremely suboptimal, handcuffed, neutered gameplay. Go back to WoW. It's not being removed, are you illiterate? You know what exploit I was talking about, your alliance were abusing it to no end, and you pretended, like you are now pretending to be illiterate, that you have no idea what everyone is talking about. Of course, missioning and incursion running, that require a lot of skills and big ships, do not require "engagement" of a 10 hours old catalysts derp sicko doing free ganks, really? Go back to WoW kid. A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
Aiyshimin Shiva Furnace 352	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:33:21 - [565] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Aiyshimin wrote: Dave Stark wrote: because botting is illegal, and balancing issues. neither of those apply to awoxing. Of course it's a balancing issue. Anyway, awoxing will be gone so hope you carebears find some other ways to get your kicks. sure there's a balancing issue with awoxing - it's now neutral logi works not the fact that you can shoot corp members. If you couldn't shoot corp members, you couldn't use a neutral logi, so this is the fix. Now your neutral logi shares your criminal flag. So easiest fix was to remove intra-corp aggression, since removing it had no downsides or ill side effects.
Dave stark 7279	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:33:53 - [566] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: But there is no such bar in ganking, grief deccing, and awoxing. because it requires interacting with other players which is a variable which may as well be a random number generator. you can't compare an activity where the outcome is HIGHLY variable, to an activity where there are 0 unknown variables.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2555	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:34:01 - [567] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: I'm for raising a bar on all those activities, so it can't be done while doing harlem shake at your PC. Mining already has this bar, as solo and afk mining are basically charity in terms of income. Why not those activities also? Mining has no such bar, not any more so than ganking. In fact, the profitability of both activities, when both happen at the same time, is roughly equal for all parties involved. You're in favor of raising the bar on pvp activities, but you're not willing to do the same for pve players. That's entitlement. You have no idea about mining clearly. Income of ganking is hundreds of millions per hour, income of afk mining is 3 mil / hour, income of solo mining is 10 mil / hour at all skills to V. Gank is free, can be done in 10 hours after making new alt, and first 3 catalysts are provided free of charge by the tutorial Mining requires barges, logistics, and a bunch of skills to V, and still not profitable. A properly organized mining OP breaks 30 mil / hour per barge, which is a bar I was talking about - without proper organization, preparation and setup, you are barely making 33% of what you're supposed to make. But there is no such bar in ganking, grief deccing, and awoxing. Congratulations on spewing a whole bunch of nonsensical gibberish to a person who has experience with both ganking and mining. You've really swayed my viewpoint that has been shaped by only a decade of doing the things you're talking about. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 105	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:34:05 - [568] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: And the second each and every PvE activity doesn't require far less engagement from the player, we can talk about that. But the reality is that you're a liar and a hypocrite who just wants to make every activity you don't personally approve of into extremely suboptimal, handcuffed, neutered gameplay. Go back to WoW. I'm telling you man, he wouldn't enjoy WoW. He argues exactly like the type of WoW player that plays on a pve server, and then posts a hate-filled whine thread on the forums after some guy mines out "his" Thorium node or something. Do they have a game for people with that severe of a mental illness? Yes, eve online has free ganking, grief deccing, and awoxing for them. Not to mention general combat pvp which accommodates those people in full. A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
Aiyshimin Shiva Furnace 352	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:34:48 - [569] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: Some things are net worth negative and net worth positive, and dumbmode point-click-killmail awoxing is one of the most net worth negative things in eve. What about dumbmode point-click-dump mining? If we're going to measure the net worth of a gameplay activity by that sort of metric, then... Nobody unsubs because someone else mines.
Dave stark 7279	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:35:04 - [570] - Quote Aiyshimin wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Aiyshimin wrote: Dave Stark wrote: because botting is illegal, and balancing issues. neither of those apply to awoxing. Of course it's a balancing issue. Anyway, awoxing will be gone so hope you carebears find some other ways to get your kicks. sure there's a balancing issue with awoxing - it's now neutral logi works not the fact that you can shoot corp members. If you couldn't shoot corp members, you couldn't use a neutral logi, so this is the fix. Now your neutral logi shares your criminal flag. So easiest fix was to remove intra-corp aggression, since removing it had no downsides or ill side effects. no, you haven't fixed anything there. sorry.



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