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Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
622
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Posted - 2015.01.16 01:47:35 -
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Hibernator X wrote:Rawketsled wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:It'll be interesting to see the details on the option to turn intercorp aggression on and off, particularly what roles are needed in order to do so and how often it can be done.
I envision this conversation happening at some point:
"Hey, Bill, could you help me check my tanking abilities? I turned on the shooty thing for the corp. Bring something with a lot of damage, gimme a real work out!"
"Alrighty, I'll bring my pimped out mission boat. Thing packs a punch!"
*Concord murders Bill. Bill's corpmate scoops loot*
*Bill is kicked from corp by corpmate*
"Hey John, can you help me check my tanking abilities?" This will be me. Without a doubt. Hopefully Concord sends out a mail to members of the corp when each change happens. If someone is too dumb to quickly check that before aggressing, then they deserve everything they get. "Hey Bill, make sure your safety is off ok?"
Ah, didn't think about that one.....good catch.
Vote Sabriz!
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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
140
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Posted - 2015.01.16 01:57:42 -
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Griefer tears....... soo tasty..
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7366
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:08:21 -
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I cannot say I relish how full of annoying nonsense most corp and alliance channels may be if this actually works as nintendoed.
"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway
"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
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Red Teufel
Mafia Redux
412
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:15:33 -
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I'm for the change. awoxing is OP within corps. It forced me to quit playing the game when I first started. I came back and just avoided the **** out of highsec becuase of it. been playing eve ever since. |
Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:17:56 -
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Shailagh wrote:From direct csm summer meating quotes and other quotes.....
The entire ONLY REASON FOR THIS CHANGE. Is player retention...
Ccp says their statistics show that people that stay in npc corps quit eve faster and more often than those in player corps..
They also say the reason newbros cant join said retention-helping-hisec-carebear corps is cuz they wont recruit due to corpmate violence fears.
So ccp thinks the way to retain players is to encourage hisec carebear corps to want to recruit newbros more and thinking away corpmate shooting will solve this and then retain more newbros and give more rl dollars in ccps hands....
Ccp cant you see this logic is flawed?? Some csm dudes even tried to say so. Wtf is the poijt of them is you dont listen?? This vhange and gonna increase RETENTION 1% IF ANYTJING GONNA MAKE OLDVETS QUIT MORE.
Honestly after reading CCP's reasoning then hearing the other side of everyone here.
I really have to say i have to agree with CCP at this point and it should be a pretty decent revenue booster, good job whoever thought this up. But seriously, who really is going to quit over this tiny mechanic change? For those who do i doubt your losing much over a person who is more of a griefer at heart then interested in EvE as a whole.
Its not really removing the mechanic it just forces the person to commit more work.
EvE is not about easy. |
Angelica Everstar
79
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:28:24 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Arden Elenduil wrote:What is your opinion about this?
Personally, I think it sucks. So long yet another emergent playstyle, all for the sake of the carebears who couldn't be bothered to do the proper checks.
And to the ISD, this is NOT a change that was in Proteus, it was only just announced on the O7 stream... Love the change. Hopefully it will lead to some elements of EVE unsubscribing and never coming back. Fingers crossed!
One can always hope :D
I'm sure that I can't take the full credit - But Hilmar did want to write down this idea on a piece of paper, after a talk with me at last years Charity Dinner, where I surgested this strongly change 
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Marsan
253
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:46:42 -
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Really I'm suppose to morn the fact that people can't grief carebears from within the carbears corps? If the only thing keeping you in the game is Awoxing the game is better without you. Come out into WS, LS, or NS and learn to PVP. Or at least learn to suicide gank, war dec gank or something.
PS- I love carebears they pay subscriptions, build my stuff, and buy the random things the rats/sleepers/cans drop.
Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
2251
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:47:36 -
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Anyone really believe this will bring and retain new players? 
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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
59
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:50:47 -
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Sentamon wrote:Anyone really believe this will bring and retain new players?
Bring? No.
Retain? Maybe.
The real question is by what amount will the numbers of new toons joining corps drop by? |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
886
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:56:44 -
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Arden Elenduil wrote:What is your opinion about this?
Personally, I think it sucks. So long yet another emergent playstyle, all for the sake of the carebears who couldn't be bothered to do the proper checks.
And to the ISD, this is NOT a change that was in Proteus, it was only just announced on the O7 stream...
I'm curious to know more about your logic. How come an introduction of switchable option instead of the one state of the things we have now is "destroying emergent play style"?
It had one option: ON
It will have two options: ON and OFF
That's the very definition of supporting emergent play style.
P.S.
If I still have to draw a picture for better understanding... you'll still have "rogue" directors... you'll have an option to switch friendly fire ON... and then OFF... and then ON again... and then OFF... Get it?
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Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production
Headshot Gaming
120
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Posted - 2015.01.16 03:16:27 -
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All this means is that Awoxers will have to work for their kills.
Currently all you have to do is build a "10 Hour Hero" character and join a newbie friendly corp and go to town.
With a "10 Hour Hero" character its impossible to determine that the account is an Awoxer. No KB, no Corp History nothing. All you have is that person's word and we all know that means nothing.
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he very nearly had me convinced that his actions were for the best of the corp...yet could not wait until the loan was repaid before doing so and so his permanent ban was set in place
awoxing is not dead it has simply evolved into a game of patience and vocal persuasion
That's not really Awoxing, that's just corp theft. That's been happening for as long if not longer than Awoxing. |
Shailagh
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2015.01.16 03:21:13 -
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Andrew Indy wrote:All this means is that Awoxers will have to work for their kills.
Currently all you have to do is build a "10 Hour Hero" character and join a newbie friendly corp and go to town.
With a "10 Hour Hero" character its impossible to determine that the account is an Awoxer. No KB, no Corp History nothing. All you have is that person's word and we all know that means nothing.
Wtf happened to making bears work to AVOID BEING KILLED.
This is the pinnacle question... when did eve and ccp as a whole go from telling errrybody EVE IS DANGEROUS LOOK OUT! PROTECT YOSELF! ITS DANGER BEHIND THAT DOOR!!
TO.
OK NOW EVRRYONE LISTEN THERES THESE BAD MEAN GUYS OUT THERE BUT DONT YOU WORRY, WE WILL NOT ONLY GIVE YOY THE TOOLDS TO AVOID THE DANGER YOURSELF... WELL HOLD YOUR HAND AND CODDLR YOU AMD TOTALLY PRotect you. Dont worry |
Vector Symian
0 Fear
20
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Posted - 2015.01.16 03:24:07 -
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Awoxing fundamentally is hacking
all system are flawed due to this simple reason..
people are involved, and that my friends is how they will get in
...give me directors rights and ill find your awoxers for you...
*evil cackle* |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
6143
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Posted - 2015.01.16 03:24:37 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Arden Elenduil wrote:What is your opinion about this?
Personally, I think it sucks. So long yet another emergent playstyle, all for the sake of the carebears who couldn't be bothered to do the proper checks.
And to the ISD, this is NOT a change that was in Proteus, it was only just announced on the O7 stream... I'm curious to know more about your logic. How come an introduction of switchable option instead of the one state of the things we have now is "destroying emergent play style"? It had one option: ON It will have two options: ON and OFF That's the very definition of supporting emergent play style. P.S. If I still have to draw a picture for better understanding... you'll still have "rogue" directors... you'll have an option to switch friendly fire ON... and then OFF... and then ON again... and then OFF... Get it?
More choices is generally a good thing, especially if they are largely popular choices.
If you want to kill them then:
Suicide gank them.
Talk them into a duel.
Work harder and get into a position to turn it off, or con them into turning it off.
Personally I've always felt that "I won't join a player corp because I might get ganked" was merely an excuse. However, it does provide an additional illusion of safety that some people apparently find necessary to become brave enough to risk imaginary pixels in a game.
I have no real beef with this... I'm a bit more disappointed in the new ship skinning mechanic but that's a topic for another thread and/or video.
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Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production
Headshot Gaming
120
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Posted - 2015.01.16 03:35:37 -
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Shailagh wrote:
Wtf happened to making bears work to AVOID BEING KILLED.
This is the pinnacle question... when did eve and ccp as a whole go from telling errrybody EVE IS DANGEROUS LOOK OUT! PROTECT YOSELF! ITS DANGER BEHIND THAT DOOR!!
OK, I'll bite.
So you are in a mining corp, how do you protect your self from a "10 Hour Hero".
You could have a PVP toon on stand by at all times. Sure. Would you as a player like to spend your time guarding a couple of Miners for hours on end with little or no reward? Mining makes way less than missioning so the same PVP toon could make way more by doing other things. Even in Null sec you hardly ever find dedicated mining protect ships let along in HS because of this factor.
You could screen your members. So you ask for the API. they have been in the game for a day and have some skills, no corp history, no kill board nothing. How do you differentiate them from a newb?
You could only accept older player who have a clean API. This does not guaranty against Awoxing but it helps a lot. However this is the issue CPP is trying to counter, they want Newbs in corps not only older player.
Are there any other ways to protect yourself? Why not let us know?
Rather than having a rage let us know why you deserve these kills, how much effort you have put in and how much worse the player base will be. Maybe is CCP had a good counter argument that might listen.
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
96
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Posted - 2015.01.16 03:36:55 -
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Shailagh wrote:Andrew Indy wrote:All this means is that Awoxers will have to work for their kills.
Currently all you have to do is build a "10 Hour Hero" character and join a newbie friendly corp and go to town.
With a "10 Hour Hero" character its impossible to determine that the account is an Awoxer. No KB, no Corp History nothing. All you have is that person's word and we all know that means nothing.
Wtf happened to making bears work to AVOID BEING KILLED. This is the pinnacle question... when did eve and ccp as a whole go from telling errrybody EVE IS DANGEROUS LOOK OUT! PROTECT YOSELF! ITS DANGER BEHIND THAT DOOR!! TO. OK NOW EVRRYONE LISTEN THERES THESE BAD MEAN GUYS OUT THERE BUT DONT YOU WORRY, WE WILL NOT ONLY GIVE YOY THE TOOLDS TO AVOID THE DANGER YOURSELF... WELL HOLD YOUR HAND AND CODDLR YOU AMD TOTALLY PRotect you. Dont worry
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Shailagh
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2015.01.16 04:10:04 -
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What is default toggle position??? M
It BETTER BE DEFAULTED TO ON |
Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
48
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Posted - 2015.01.16 05:26:38 -
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3073
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Posted - 2015.01.16 05:26:48 -
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Shailagh wrote:
Wtf happened to making bears work .......
I do not log into eve to work, I log in to play.
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Revman Zim
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
274
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Posted - 2015.01.16 07:33:10 -
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If and when this happens, it will be a good thing. As would anything that is designed to retain new players.
Bottom line, we need new blood. The old guard, is just that. Old and bitter. We need new players to bring new ideas and content into this game. I would love to be able to travel across the EVE universe and have players in every system.
Players that are against this are just against change in general and don't see the larger picture.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
30897
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Posted - 2015.01.16 07:38:11 -
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Revman Zim wrote:I would love to be able to travel across the EVE universe and have players in every system.
Highsec already just about has that doesn't it?
This change won't affect lowsec or nullsec.
This is not a change that is going to populate New Eden and in any case, awoxing won't be killed by this. Awoxers, being cunning and intelligent as they are, will adapt.
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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
333
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Posted - 2015.01.16 07:55:23 -
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This is one of the best things happened to EVE ever, and it should have happened a long time ago. ******** hisec faggotry like this has costs far too many subscriptions, and it has to end.
Please fix wardecs and suicide wanking next.
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
96
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Posted - 2015.01.16 08:03:31 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:This is one of the best things happened to EVE ever, and it should have happened a long time ago. ******** hisec faggotry like this has costs far too many subscriptions, and it has to end.
Please fix wardecs and suicide wanking next.
You may keep war decs, just fix grief decs. War decs without grief decs will be completely fine.
Suicide wanking is admittedly not as much broken as grief decs in terms of unfair advantage for the griefer, the problem with it is it's just too easy and too profitable.
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Abyss Azizora
Temporary Corp 12
165
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Posted - 2015.01.16 08:08:16 -
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Rawketsled wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:It'll be interesting to see the details on the option to turn intercorp aggression on and off, particularly what roles are needed in order to do so and how often it can be done.
I envision this conversation happening at some point:
"Hey, Bill, could you help me check my tanking abilities? I turned on the shooty thing for the corp. Bring something with a lot of damage, gimme a real work out!"
"Alrighty, I'll bring my pimped out mission boat. Thing packs a punch!"
*Concord murders Bill. Bill's corpmate scoops loot*
*Bill is kicked from corp by corpmate*
"Hey John, can you help me check my tanking abilities?" This will be me. Without a doubt. Hopefully Concord sends out a mail to members of the corp when each change happens. If someone is too dumb to quickly check that before aggressing, then they deserve everything they get.
Come on, we all know good and well you will STILL have to manually change your risk settings to yellow or red and click "Are you sure you want to be a moron and commit suicide to concord?" button before you can do any of that.
Back on topic: A great change, and long overdue. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6089
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Posted - 2015.01.16 08:18:11 -
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While I would submit that AWOXing may have had its use at times, it was being abused.
Let's face it: letting someone with an expensive ship into the corp just to AWOX the player and pad your stats is abuse.
It amounts to taking the pail and shovel and bonking the kids over the head with it and then pointing and laughing, making the sandbox more about that than sand.
And a sandbox that is not about the sand, stops being a sandbox. It starts being more about those damp yellowish spots in the sand that you can't play in or around.
And nobody will want to play in it.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion
The Bastion
832
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Posted - 2015.01.16 08:38:25 -
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ITT: Option to press a button == only possible recourse. |
Farelle
The Black Rabbits
The Bastards.
22
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Posted - 2015.01.16 08:41:26 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Arden Elenduil wrote:What is your opinion about this?
Personally, I think it sucks. So long yet another emergent playstyle, all for the sake of the carebears who couldn't be bothered to do the proper checks.
And to the ISD, this is NOT a change that was in Proteus, it was only just announced on the O7 stream... Love the change. Hopefully it will lead to some elements of EVE unsubscribing and never coming back. Fingers crossed!
Your in the wrong game then. Removing risk from EVE is a terrible idea. |
Neo Kathura
New Order of Highsec
31
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Posted - 2015.01.16 08:49:55 -
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Farelle wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Arden Elenduil wrote:What is your opinion about this?
Personally, I think it sucks. So long yet another emergent playstyle, all for the sake of the carebears who couldn't be bothered to do the proper checks.
And to the ISD, this is NOT a change that was in Proteus, it was only just announced on the O7 stream... Love the change. Hopefully it will lead to some elements of EVE unsubscribing and never coming back. Fingers crossed! Your in the wrong game then. Removing risk from EVE is a terrible idea. CCP disagrees. Apparently stopping people from shooting noobs is a good idea. I would tend to agree with them. |
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
Sin City Coalition
257
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Posted - 2015.01.16 09:18:44 -
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I am indifferent, as long as some other changes come into effect to counter balance it.
NPC corp tax is increased by say 10% to covert the extra concord tax
Allow a duel system for teams so corps can still practice without having to low sec or test server
Make the war dec system more robust (cant leave corp for 1 week for example, so people cant just jump corp but cant be griefed with a constant war)
While not all directly connected they are linked to the play style. |
Aladar Dangerface
Absolutely Certain
66
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Posted - 2015.01.16 09:29:26 -
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Adapt or perish, the choice is yours.
In other words HTFU.
I don't need twitter.
I'm already following you.
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