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Aredontis Caldari Provisions Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:30:26 - [421] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Every time they tighten their grip, it fails to have the "gud fites" result that the space samurai want to pigeonhole people into. And they wring their hands and start over with a new "just one more nerf". All the while failing to realize that the one who is really devolving this game... is him. There were only three nerfs left, and awoxing is one of them. Two left after this. Then they won't ever have to nerf anything ever again. another cool story I truly don't understand why you are making such a huge deal out of this, it is such a minor change.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2529	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:36:37 - [422] - Quote Aredontis wrote: I truly don't understand why you are making such a huge deal out of this, it is such a minor change. I love this one. The carebear golden standard of arguments. "It's such a small change, so why worry about it?" One ant bite won't bother you a whole lot. Now go and get a whole anthill on yourself, and tell me if you feel anything. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Aredontis Caldari Provisions Caldari State 6	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:39:11 - [423] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Aredontis wrote: I truly don't understand why you are making such a huge deal out of this, it is such a minor change. I love this one. The carebear golden standard of arguments. "It's such a small change, so why worry about it?" One ant bite won't bother you a whole lot. Now go and get a whole anthill on yourself, and tell me if you feel anything. You mean like the standard gank-bear answer of HTFU?? yeah, both have the same validity. As I said before - can I have your stuff?
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11235	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:41:21 - [424] - Quote Aredontis wrote: You mean like the standard gank-bear answer of HTFU?? yeah, both have the same validity. As I said before - can I have your stuff? No, they don't. "you got ganked, this is a PvP game, deal with it" is a lot different from "we're going to remove your entire playstyle by fiat". "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2529	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:42:36 - [425] - Quote Aredontis wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Aredontis wrote: I truly don't understand why you are making such a huge deal out of this, it is such a minor change. I love this one. The carebear golden standard of arguments. "It's such a small change, so why worry about it?" One ant bite won't bother you a whole lot. Now go and get a whole anthill on yourself, and tell me if you feel anything. You mean like the standard gank-bear answer of HTFU?? yeah, both have the same validity. As I said before - can I have your stuff? I've never told anyone to HTFU a single time. But I've been playing this game for a decade, and since about 2008, the nonconsensual pvp nerfs have felt like a thousand little paper cuts. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Aredontis Caldari Provisions Caldari State 6	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:43:33 - [426] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: No, they don't. "you got ganked, this is a PvP game, deal with it" is a lot different from "we're going to remove your entire playstyle by fiat". No it isn't, and they are not removing your entire play-style, you just get some skin-in-the-game now if you awox in a corp you don't run. Kill another player in HS, lose your ship, gankers know this, awoxer's will too. vov
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 149	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:45:03 - [427] - Quote Yep Griefer Tears.. still tasty
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6101	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:47:03 - [428] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: They wanted tears, and now there's tears alright. It's almost as if you're saying that in order to have the game we want, we must not play it the way we want to play it. That's a rather interesting take seeing that for many players their way of playing the game is to prevent others from playing it. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11235	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:47:12 - [429] - Quote Aredontis wrote: and they are not removing your entire play-style Well, if you really want to get pedantic, they're simply giving literally everyone in the game the option to turn off my playstyle with one single button. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Nicolai Serkanner Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 270	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:49:02 - [430] - Quote Ma'Baker McCandless wrote: Empty quote just because you are Ma Baker ... ma ma ma ma ma, Ma Baker!

Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6101	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:51:22 - [431] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Every time they tighten their grip, it fails to have the "gud fites" result that the space samurai want to pigeonhole people into. And they wring their hands and start over with a new "just one more nerf". All the while failing to realize that the one who is really devolving this game... is him. There were only three nerfs left, and awoxing is one of them. Two left after this. Then they won't ever have to nerf anything ever again. I would love to know what the other 2 are so I know which CSM candidates to vote for. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Aredontis Caldari Provisions Caldari State 10	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:51:49 - [432] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Well, if you really want to get pedantic, they're simply giving literally everyone in the game the option to turn off my playstyle with one single button. You mean every player in the game has the roles to reach into their corp and turn off intra-corp concord response? Really, source?? No, you still get your play style, you just get the risk that goes along with it, you know the whole risk/reward gank-bears are always on about? Now there is risk if you want the shiny kill mail. HTFU
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2529	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:53:26 - [433] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: They wanted tears, and now there's tears alright. It's almost as if you're saying that in order to have the game we want, we must not play it the way we want to play it. That's a rather interesting take seeing that for many players their way of playing the game is to prevent others from playing it. "I'm unable to play the game because of someone else" is a conclusion that only bad/ignorant players come to. EVE maintains game mechanics that make it impossible to prevent someone from playing it. It's only possible to prevent someone from doing very specific things in a very specific way, and usually only a few at a time at that. Last I checked, being able to do anything at any time with no restrictions wasn't something promised by a competitive, pvp-driven sandbox simulator. Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: There were only three nerfs left, and awoxing is one of them. Two left after this. Then they won't ever have to nerf anything ever again. I would love to know what the other 2 are so I know which CSM candidates to vote for. Wars, and ganking. One would think it was pretty obvious. Good luck with your crusade. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2529	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:55:38 - [434] - Quote Aredontis wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Well, if you really want to get pedantic, they're simply giving literally everyone in the game the option to turn off my playstyle with one single button. You mean every player in the game has the roles to reach into their corp and turn off intra-corp concord response? Really, source?? No, you still get your play style, you just get the risk that goes along with it, you know the whole risk/reward gank-bears are always on about? Now there is risk if you want the shiny kill mail. HTFU The risk is built into the act by virtue of the target being able to fight back via an almost infinite amount of methods available for him to do so. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6101	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:57:23 - [435] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Aredontis wrote: and they are not removing your entire play-style Well, if you really want to get pedantic, they're simply giving literally everyone in the game the option to turn off my playstyle with one single button. My playstyle got turned off years ago, and there were no threadnaughts about it. There was not even a button. Still the greatest most smacking nerf I ever saw was when Herr Wilkus, who makes ganking an art, came up with the "Tornado Gank Threesome" or something like that and described exactly how to do it and within days changes were made. Wilkus had it down so well that even while I don't play like that, I have to admire it and keep carbon in my hold to put in my ass and make diamonds in case he appears on grid. The changes came on so fast and without much fanfare but addressed exactly what he was doing to such level that were I in that place I would have taken it personally. And that beats the pants off this button you are worried about. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11235	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:59:00 - [436] - Quote Aredontis wrote: No, you still get your play style, you just get the risk that goes along with it There always was risk. Nothing stopped them from shooting my blinged out Gnosis. But apparently their being risk averse chickenshits is my fault? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11235	Posted - 2015.01.17 01:01:53 - [437] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: My playstyle got turned off years ago, and there were no threadnaughts about it. There was not even a button. Salvaging and mission looting, presumably? I agree if that's the case, in particular the MTU being added was a really bad move. Anything that empowers "teh soloh playerz" is something that by definition hurts interdependence, and therefore multiplayer gameplay. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Aredontis Caldari Provisions Caldari State 10	Posted - 2015.01.17 01:02:17 - [438] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: The risk is built into the act by virtue of the target being able to fight back via an almost infinite amount of methods available for him to do so. Horse-pucky, there is no risk in a normal awox > go to corp-member doing mission, kill them, take loot. no risk at all, you know they aren't PVP fit, can't scram and web you. At least the mission-bears who shoot at loot-thieves should know better and have the option. I'd think a gank-bear would be all over an awox-bear as being risk-averse, since at least the gank-bear is willing to lose a ship
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2530	Posted - 2015.01.17 01:07:13 - [439] - Quote Aredontis wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: The risk is built into the act by virtue of the target being able to fight back via an almost infinite amount of methods available for him to do so. Horse-pucky, there is no risk in a normal awox > go to corp-member doing mission, kill them, take loot. no risk at all, you know they aren't PVP fit, can't scram and web you. At least the mission-bears who shoot at loot-thieves should know better and have the option. I'd think a gank-bear would be all over an awox-bear as being risk-averse, since at least the gank-bear is willing to lose a ship Whenever I do pve content, it doesn't matter where, I always treat it like I'm doing it in the most dangerous area of space possible. Victims treat it like they are doing it in a Facebook flash game. So no, there's no horse-pucky there. There are plenty of methods to minimize the risk of even mission-zone corp-member awoxing. It's just that the specific demographic in question feels entitled to put no effort into their safety on the assumption that the game will guarantee it. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Shailagh Ministry of War Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2015.01.17 01:08:44 - [440] - Quote All these people saying "omgz ccp needs MONEY TO SURVIVE! THE GAME AND ICELAND WILL DIE IF WE DONT BOOST RETENTION AND GET NEW SUBS" are oblivious. CCP has thrown away soooo much cash on failed r&d. The vampire game remember? Dust, incarnia WiS. Etc etc. Dude ccp can LAST ANOTHER 10YRS with current sub levels if they stop throwing cash away on failed projects. We dont need WoW level subs to make it another 10years.. ccp just needs to stop shootimg themselvs in the foot and wasting time and manhours and money and Pay attentuon to how they LASTED THE 1ST TEN YEARS. THE HARSH COLD RISK GAME MADE IT.

Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6101	Posted - 2015.01.17 01:09:56 - [441] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: pretty obvious. Good luck with your crusade. I suppose I can argue with you more, but I don't like creating listicles and then having to create a youtube video to walk people through it because clearly you don't read what people post beyond picking words around which to add variance to the same thing you keep repeating over and over. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Aredontis Caldari Provisions Caldari State 10	Posted - 2015.01.17 01:11:39 - [442] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Whenever I do pve content, it doesn't matter where, I always treat it like I'm doing it in the most dangerous area of space possible. Victims treat it like they are doing it in a Facebook flash game. So no, there's no horse-pucky there. There are plenty of methods to minimize the risk of even mission-zone corp-member awoxing. It's just that the specific demographic in question feels entitled to put no effort into their safety on the assumption that the game will guarantee it. Why do you continue to refuse to listen? There is no "demographic in question"!!!! CCP has decided that corps don't bring in enough noobs because they don't want to get an awoxer. They have also determined that new players either fail to sub or leave soon after subbing because they are not in corps that teach them the game. It was CCP who thought this up, it was CCP who is trying to get newbs into corps. There is no "risk-averse demon" in this scenario!!!
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11235	Posted - 2015.01.17 01:15:03 - [443] - Quote Aredontis wrote: CCP has decided that corps don't bring in enough noobs because they don't want to get an awoxer. This is the part that is the biggest lie. If corps aren't recruiting noobs, then no one is being awoxed in the first place. But since awoxing is happening, then people are in fact recruiting. The real problem here is that there are too many ways to pretend that EVE is a single player game, and that highsec enables those things too much with hand holding gameplay. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2533	Posted - 2015.01.17 01:16:02 - [444] - Quote Aredontis wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Whenever I do pve content, it doesn't matter where, I always treat it like I'm doing it in the most dangerous area of space possible. Victims treat it like they are doing it in a Facebook flash game. So no, there's no horse-pucky there. There are plenty of methods to minimize the risk of even mission-zone corp-member awoxing. It's just that the specific demographic in question feels entitled to put no effort into their safety on the assumption that the game will guarantee it. Why do you continue to refuse to listen? There is no "demographic in question"!!!! CCP has decided that corps don't bring in enough noobs because they don't want to get an awoxer. They have also determined that new players either fail to sub or leave soon after subbing because they are not in corps that teach them the game. It was CCP who thought this up, it was CCP who is trying to get newbs into corps. There is no "risk-averse demon" in this scenario!!! I see. And do you not think that wars are a much bigger cause of new players not being in corps than awoxing? I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Aredontis Caldari Provisions Caldari State 11	Posted - 2015.01.17 01:20:14 - [445] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: I see. And do you not think that wars are a much bigger threat to new players not being in corps than awoxing? No, I don't. Hi-sec wars suck, but they teach you to turtle or fight. If you're in a turtle-ing corp and you think you should be fighting (like I was), then you go somewhere else and fight (like I did, went to RVB). I don't give 2-***** about wars anymore, I'm a null-bear and laugh at the whole scenario.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2533	Posted - 2015.01.17 01:21:27 - [446] - Quote Aredontis wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: I see. And do you not think that wars are a much bigger threat to new players not being in corps than awoxing? No, I don't. Hi-sec wars suck, but they teach you to turtle or fight. If you're in a turtle-ing corp and you think you should be fighting (like I was), then you go somewhere else and fight (like I did, went t RVB). I don't give 2-***** about wars anymore, I'm a null-bear and laugh at the whole scenario. Okay, good enough. As long as you're making it clear to everyone that you're unaware as to the actual reality of the state of the game. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 7549	Posted - 2015.01.17 01:21:58 - [447] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Aredontis wrote: No, you still get your play style, you just get the risk that goes along with it There always was risk. Nothing stopped them from shooting my blinged out Gnosis. But apparently their being risk averse chickenshits is my fault? I don't know Mr forum alt. I'd say your blinged out Gnosis was pretty safe in an industry corp. The only 'risk averse chickenshits' in this thread are the ones fighting the change. Though I can sympathize the double whammy of robbing your risk free gameplay and perceived removal of forced (different from non consensual) grief PVP. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11235	Posted - 2015.01.17 01:22:36 - [448] - Quote That's the other thing that irritates me about this. The "solution" doesn't even attempt to address the supposed problem. You want to know what the major reason that there are too many people in NPC corps instead of player corps? NPC corps are way too beneficial compared to player corps. There are too many benefits, and almost zero negatives. (unless for some reason you love using the busted POS mechanics) But we're not even going to touch that, no sir. We're going to use an obvious false flag to handwave away something that's been in the game since day 1. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1360	Posted - 2015.01.17 01:23:30 - [449] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Aredontis wrote: CCP has decided that corps don't bring in enough noobs because they don't want to get an awoxer. This is the part that is the biggest lie. If corps aren't recruiting noobs, then no one is being awoxed in the first place. But since awoxing is happening, then people are in fact recruiting. The real problem here is that there are too many ways to pretend that EVE is a single player game, and that highsec enables those things too much with hand holding gameplay. Consider this reasoning for a sec: The better a corp is the more likely they have cautious recruitment, the more cautious and selective the recruitment the greater the possibility that they might exclude a genuine new player under fear they are a awoxer. On the other hand, bad corps, who are more likely attract awoxers and not be able to offer positive experiences for new players are one in the same. The gain in this case become that a corp which may have rejected the idea of recruiting new players in the past for those reasons would potentially be more likely to consider it in the future.
Aredontis Caldari Provisions Caldari State 11	Posted - 2015.01.17 01:24:07 - [450] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Okay, good enough. As long as you're making it clear to everyone that you're unaware as to the actual reality of the state of the game. lol, you're funny. Can't stand that I didn't take your bait? Now, can we get back on topic?



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