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Solecist Project
Weapons of Mass Distraction
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:47:42 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Ah, the day subscription fees mattering more than quality content is finally upon us.
fair play to ccp, took them longer to succumb to allure than most other companies.
still, a sad day. What part of a hisec awoxing was quality content? Of course sub numbers mean more than a nich+¬ group having a free pass to ganking, what did you seriously expect? CCP is trying to fix the game before its too late, and this is just one of them. which part of being a complete scumbag and stealing everything from a corp's poses is quality content? which bit of shooting ships that uncloak on a gate with no chance of a fair fight is quality content? in short; all of it, to different people. by your logic we should be removing gatecamps, and blobbing, and... see where this is going? i'm sure you can.
We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content.
Ralph King-Griffin > **** you sol, years, ****ing years since thats happend
The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D
Come along now, come along with me and I'll eeaasee your pain..
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
105
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:49:20 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:I must point out that there is a remote possiblity of hisec awoxing being quality content, but the dumbmode point-click-killmail on a random corpie is definitely not it. which is entirely the fault of how neutral logi works, not the corp aggression mechanics.
Look I'm with you on this one. I think neutral logi should get at least limited engagement.
But on question of easymode awoxing, I'm with CCP - let it begone.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2548
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:49:26 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Ah, the day subscription fees mattering more than quality content is finally upon us.
fair play to ccp, took them longer to succumb to allure than most other companies.
still, a sad day. What part of a hisec awoxing was quality content? Of course sub numbers mean more than a nich+¬ group having a free pass to ganking, what did you seriously expect? CCP is trying to fix the game before its too late, and this is just one of them. which part of being a complete scumbag and stealing everything from a corp's poses is quality content? which bit of shooting ships that uncloak on a gate with no chance of a fair fight is quality content? in short; all of it, to different people. by your logic we should be removing gatecamps, and blobbing, and... see where this is going? i'm sure you can. We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content.
We can't, because Mr Epeen said there would be mass unsubs.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:49:58 -
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Solecist Project wrote:We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content.
considering they require and encourage 0 player interaction, go for it. |
Solecist Project
Weapons of Mass Distraction
18907
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:51:45 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Ah, the day subscription fees mattering more than quality content is finally upon us.
fair play to ccp, took them longer to succumb to allure than most other companies.
still, a sad day. What part of a hisec awoxing was quality content? Of course sub numbers mean more than a nich+¬ group having a free pass to ganking, what did you seriously expect? CCP is trying to fix the game before its too late, and this is just one of them. which part of being a complete scumbag and stealing everything from a corp's poses is quality content? which bit of shooting ships that uncloak on a gate with no chance of a fair fight is quality content? in short; all of it, to different people. by your logic we should be removing gatecamps, and blobbing, and... see where this is going? i'm sure you can. We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content. We can't, because Mr Epeen said there would be mass unsubs.
Well ... that's actually true.
Removing missions would remove a lot of worthless sorry ass carebears from the game,
which means that there are far less targets around.
Removing NPC starter corps though would maybe remove a few vets ...
... but not new players, because they literally had no clue they'd start in them anyway.
That "argument" of his bothered me a lot.
Ralph King-Griffin > **** you sol, years, ****ing years since thats happend
The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D
Come along now, come along with me and I'll eeaasee your pain..
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:52:01 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:I must point out that there is a remote possiblity of hisec awoxing being quality content, but the dumbmode point-click-killmail on a random corpie is definitely not it. which is entirely the fault of how neutral logi works, not the corp aggression mechanics. Look I'm with you on this one. I think neutral logi should get at least limited engagement. But on question of easymode awoxing, I'm with CCP - let it begone.
if you could attack the logi ships, easymode awoxing wouldn't exist at all.
it's only easymode because 1-2 almost literally unkillable t1 logi ships can turn an hour old character in a gnosis in to an unkillable awoxing machine.
if we want the easymode awoxing to be gone - the fix is the way neutral logi flagging [doesn't] work. no tthis removal of an almost entire style of play. |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
105
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:52:57 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Solecist Project wrote:We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content. considering they require and encourage 0 player interaction, go for it.
0 player interaction stands above negative player interaction such as dumbmode awox.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2548
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:54:31 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Solecist Project wrote:We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content. considering they require and encourage 0 player interaction, go for it. 0 player interaction stands above negative player interaction such as dumbmode awox.
Gotta quote this.
This has to remain for everyone to see what the average carebear mentality is with regard to pvp in this game.
"Negative" player interaction, guys.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Solecist Project
Weapons of Mass Distraction
18907
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:54:39 -
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Hell ... all NPC corps should be removed and rather new players should be moved
into one of the established corps that actually help people who start.
Like Brave Newbies, for example. I said it before, I say it again.
CCP is clueless about new player retention. If they want to better it,
then they should put new players into corps that actually have a social structure.
Brave Newbies, EVE UNI, RvB ... let players decide how they want to start the game.
The crap CCP has now is just bullshit. They are far from understanding the real issue
and I am getting tired of mentioning that it's a social engineering problem
and not related to game mechanics at all.
Also, stop feeding the stupid haters like that basil guy above ...
... who deliberately make you respond.
You make yourself look weak.
Ralph King-Griffin > **** you sol, years, ****ing years since thats happend
The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D
Come along now, come along with me and I'll eeaasee your pain..
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Dave Stark
7274
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:54:42 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Solecist Project wrote:We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content. considering they require and encourage 0 player interaction, go for it. 0 player interaction stands above negative player interaction such as dumbmode awox.
remind me again how an awox happens if players aren't interacting?
i'm all for discussing it, but if you're going to come out with idiotic comments like that. stop posting. |
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
105
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:55:14 -
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Dave Stark wrote:if you could attack the logi ships, easymode awoxing wouldn't exist at all.
it's only easymode because 1-2 almost literally unkillable t1 logi ships can turn an hour old character in a gnosis in to an unkillable awoxing machine.
if we want the easymode awoxing to be gone - the fix is the way neutral logi flagging [doesn't] work. no tthis removal of an almost entire style of play.
I completely disagree.
Even a hour old character can still easily awox an exhumer, freighter, or any other industrial ship.
No amount of flagging would be able to prevent that. That's why what CCP trying to do is best solution imo.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Solecist Project
Weapons of Mass Distraction
18907
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:55:33 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Solecist Project wrote:We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content. considering they require and encourage 0 player interaction, go for it. 0 player interaction stands above negative player interaction such as dumbmode awox. remind me again how an awox happens if players aren't interacting? i'm all for discussing it, but if you're going to come out with idiotic comments like that. stop posting.
Stop responding to him, then you will stop making a fool out of yourself.
Ralph King-Griffin > **** you sol, years, ****ing years since thats happend
The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D
Come along now, come along with me and I'll eeaasee your pain..
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Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
11277
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:55:36 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content.
Oh, it's definitely not worse than mining. Or hauling.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
352
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:55:40 -
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double post |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
105
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:56:33 -
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Dave Stark wrote:remind me again how an awox happens if players aren't interacting?
i'm all for discussing it, but if you're going to come out with idiotic comments like that. stop posting.
Is it me or you're not even reading today, did something happened? Somebody kicked your cat or smth this morning?
I said "negative player interaction". And awox is, without a doubt, a negative interaction.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:56:42 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Trammel... Sorry in Trammel you could kill your guildmates. Oh and the game grew to almost double in size after that, but please i love this analogy. And any recent Call of Duty has more players than the entire MMO industry combined. Should we turn EVE into a mlgpro360noscope420blazeiteveryday fps game? Obviously that would result in waaaaay more subscribers.
People pay subs to play shooters? Doubt it, not exclusively. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2549
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:57:43 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:if you could attack the logi ships, easymode awoxing wouldn't exist at all.
it's only easymode because 1-2 almost literally unkillable t1 logi ships can turn an hour old character in a gnosis in to an unkillable awoxing machine.
if we want the easymode awoxing to be gone - the fix is the way neutral logi flagging [doesn't] work. no tthis removal of an almost entire style of play. I completely disagree. Even a hour old character can still easily awox an exhumer, freighter, or any other industrial ship. No amount of flagging would be able to prevent that. That's why what CCP trying to do is best solution imo.
Maybe not, but an armed escort could. Something that is quite common as far as expensive non-combatant targets of opportunity are concerned.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:58:06 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:if you could attack the logi ships, easymode awoxing wouldn't exist at all.
it's only easymode because 1-2 almost literally unkillable t1 logi ships can turn an hour old character in a gnosis in to an unkillable awoxing machine.
if we want the easymode awoxing to be gone - the fix is the way neutral logi flagging [doesn't] work. no tthis removal of an almost entire style of play. I completely disagree. Even a hour old character can still easily awox an exhumer, freighter, or any other industrial ship. No amount of flagging would be able to prevent that. That's why what CCP trying to do is best solution imo.
anyone can kill something unprepared and unsuited for the situation - it goes without saying.
say that exhumer swaps to a combat ship from the orca it's being boosted by... the situation is drastically different.
in the current situation the guy swapping to a combat ship still has 0 chance of winning due to the unkillable logi ships repping the hour old character. if the logi were flagged, he would have the chance to try and fight back and escape.
so yes, flagging would change that and dramatically so. |
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
352
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:58:24 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Ah, the day subscription fees mattering more than quality content is finally upon us.
fair play to ccp, took them longer to succumb to allure than most other companies.
still, a sad day. What part of a hisec awoxing was quality content? Of course sub numbers mean more than a nich+¬ group having a free pass to ganking, what did you seriously expect? CCP is trying to fix the game before its too late, and this is just one of them. which part of being a complete scumbag and stealing everything from a corp's poses is quality content? which bit of shooting ships that uncloak on a gate with no chance of a fair fight is quality content? in short; all of it, to different people. by your logic we should be removing gatecamps, and blobbing, and... see where this is going? i'm sure you can.
Botting was quality content for some people. Tracking Titans was quality content for some people. Remote AoE DD was quality content for some people. Shooting new players in rookie systems was quality content for some people.
Why did they get removed then? I'm sure you can see where this is going. |
Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:58:58 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Trammel... Sorry in Trammel you could kill your guildmates. Oh and the game grew to almost double in size after that, but please i love this analogy. And now it's F2P and for all intents and purposes on life support. Solecist Project wrote:I'm the only sane person around here.
*runs around half naked ...
... her boobees jiggling ...
... spreading sparkly pink glitter* Oh god, if you're the sanest person here, we're well and truly screwed  *tucks ISK into Sol's underwear. Be careful with the running and jiggling of those weapons of mass distraction, you'll give yourself a pair of black eyes, or concussion.
Free to play on UO? That isn't an EA server then. Yes although they add nothing they still expect full sub. |
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:59:02 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Ah, the day subscription fees mattering more than quality content is finally upon us.
fair play to ccp, took them longer to succumb to allure than most other companies.
still, a sad day. What part of a hisec awoxing was quality content? Of course sub numbers mean more than a nich+¬ group having a free pass to ganking, what did you seriously expect? CCP is trying to fix the game before its too late, and this is just one of them. which part of being a complete scumbag and stealing everything from a corp's poses is quality content? which bit of shooting ships that uncloak on a gate with no chance of a fair fight is quality content? in short; all of it, to different people. by your logic we should be removing gatecamps, and blobbing, and... see where this is going? i'm sure you can. Botting was quality content for some people. Tracking Titans was quality content for some people. Remote AoE DD was quality content for some people. Shooting new players in rookie systems was quality content for some people. Why did they get removed then? I'm sure you can see where this is going.
because botting is illegal, and balancing issues.
neither of those apply to awoxing. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2549
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:59:09 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Trammel... Sorry in Trammel you could kill your guildmates. Oh and the game grew to almost double in size after that, but please i love this analogy. And any recent Call of Duty has more players than the entire MMO industry combined. Should we turn EVE into a mlgpro360noscope420blazeiteveryday fps game? Obviously that would result in waaaaay more subscribers. People pay subs to play shooters? Doubt it, not exclusively.
The amount of money spent on such a game and its DLC during its active lifecycle is roughly equivalent to a sub.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
105
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:59:24 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Solecist Project wrote:We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content. considering they require and encourage 0 player interaction, go for it. 0 player interaction stands above negative player interaction such as dumbmode awox. Gotta quote this. This has to remain for everyone to see what the average carebear mentality is with regard to pvp in this game. " Negative" player interaction, guys.
Combat pvp is just a tiny, boring, one of side activities available in a sandbox, and it's limited to characters older than 6 years old due to younger characters losing by simply not having enough SP to participate.
I don't see why participating in it shouldn't be considered as negative.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Dave Stark
7276
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:59:46 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:remind me again how an awox happens if players aren't interacting?
i'm all for discussing it, but if you're going to come out with idiotic comments like that. stop posting. Is it me or you're not even reading today, did something happened? Somebody kicked your cat or smth this morning? I said "negative player interaction". And awox is, without a doubt, a negative interaction.
yes, and you can't have a negative quantity of interaction.
the fact that interaction happens by default, makes it greater than 0, and thus can't be negative. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
11277
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:59:59 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:remind me again how an awox happens if players aren't interacting?
i'm all for discussing it, but if you're going to come out with idiotic comments like that. stop posting. Is it me or you're not even reading today, did something happened? Somebody kicked your cat or smth this morning? I said "negative player interaction". And awox is, without a doubt, a negative interaction.
The only conclusion to draw from your statements is that you don't think non consensual PvP should exist at all.
At which point I'll happily tell you to go back to WoW.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
105
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Posted - 2015.01.17 12:00:39 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Solecist Project wrote:
We should also remove all missions, because they are the worst of all content.
Oh, it's definitely not worse than mining. Or hauling.
Just because numerically disabled people can't do it efficiently doesn't mean it's bad.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2549
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Posted - 2015.01.17 12:01:15 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Combat pvp is just a tiny, boring, one of side activities available in a sandbox, and it's limited to characters older than 6 years old due to younger characters losing by simply not having enough SP to participate.
I don't see why participating in it shouldn't be considered as negative.
Oh, I get what you're doing here. Carry on by all means, eersVay.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2015.01.17 12:01:23 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Trammel... Sorry in Trammel you could kill your guildmates. Oh and the game grew to almost double in size after that, but please i love this analogy. And now it's F2P and for all intents and purposes on life support. Solecist Project wrote:I'm the only sane person around here.
*runs around half naked ...
... her boobees jiggling ...
... spreading sparkly pink glitter* Oh god, if you're the sanest person here, we're well and truly screwed *tucks ISK into Sol's underwear. Be careful with the running and jiggling of those weapons of mass distraction, you'll give yourself a pair of black eyes, or concussion.
Free to play on Ultima Online? What illegal server are you playing?
The last thing even to this day UO is free, unless you count trial accounts, in that case EvE is free too. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
11277
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Posted - 2015.01.17 12:02:18 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:
Just because numerically disabled people can't do it efficiently doesn't mean it's bad.
Of course not. It's bad because it amounts to people playing an MMO like a single player game.
Anything that does so, or enables that to be done is bad by definition.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
105
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Posted - 2015.01.17 12:03:09 -
[540] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:remind me again how an awox happens if players aren't interacting?
i'm all for discussing it, but if you're going to come out with idiotic comments like that. stop posting. Is it me or you're not even reading today, did something happened? Somebody kicked your cat or smth this morning? I said "negative player interaction". And awox is, without a doubt, a negative interaction. yes, and you can't have a negative quantity of interaction.
But the quality of it, to which I was obviously referring, since quantity is quite irrelevant in this, can be and is negative.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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