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Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 18879	Posted - 2015.01.17 08:41:56 - [481] - Quote Although I'm against this change ... ... if the Don is happy, I am happy! Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D Come along now, come along with me and I'll eeaasee your pain..
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 5690	Posted - 2015.01.17 08:56:01 - [482] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Mara Rinn wrote: If the number of new players retained is greater than the number of old vets quitting because they can't shoot in-corp noobs on safaris in hisec, we win. If people are going to quit because of a change which doesn't alter their own game play one iota, well they shouldn't let the door hit their arse on the way out. If you really believe in that line of reasoning, then you might as well call for the total removal of any and all pvp from the game. The ratio of people who don't want pvp, as opposed to those who do, is three to one. Removing pvp, and not just some underhanded methods of doing pvp, but all of it, would make a whole lot of players, including new players, happy. How long can you take the risk of PVP away from a PVP game before people become completely bored with it? There's no PVE to fill their boring, hollow little lives with. Destiny Corrupted wrote: Right. We should wait until CCP does that, and then cry about it. This would be a good strategy for making sure that only good changes get implemented, and making sure that the game keeps the integrity and core promises that have allowed it to exist for over a decade. I prefer complaining about the things that matter, not the things that my tin foil hat tells me are going to destroy the world. Day 0 Advice for New Players
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 1415	Posted - 2015.01.17 09:02:45 - [483] - Quote Trammel... The Tears Must Flow
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1878	Posted - 2015.01.17 09:08:31 - [484] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: Trammel... Was utterly different. Please explain to me how anyone undocked in high sec is immune to PvP.
Dave Stark 7262	Posted - 2015.01.17 09:09:50 - [485] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: I prefer complaining about the things that matter, not the things that my tin foil hat tells me are going to destroy the world. when that's what you do in the game, then it does matter.
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11256	Posted - 2015.01.17 09:16:08 - [486] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Trammel... Was utterly different. Please explain to me how anyone undocked in high sec is immune to PvP. Well, wardecs don't work, and awoxing was just deleted. All that's really left is ganking. It's one step closer, that's for sure. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Don Purple 1115	Posted - 2015.01.17 09:18:06 - [487] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Don Purple wrote: We can still snuggle :D This change for a time will make targets possibly feel safer. It will probably transition into more corp thefts over corp killing by the current guys. I look forward to the change. It will not stop us. Don. snuggles into your strong arms :) \o/ Steam filled forum snuggling is a go! **** it snuggles for everyone come here DAVE! I am just here to snuggle.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1878	Posted - 2015.01.17 09:24:57 - [488] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Well, wardecs don't work, and awoxing was just deleted. All that's really left is ganking. It's one step closer, that's for sure. Except for all the times Wardecs do work, and the trillions of isk worth of ships blown up by them. But hey, ignore that because it doesn't suit you. End result, no-one is immune to PvP in high sec, so, it's not anything like Trammel, or WoW, or any other sky is falling cry you want to make.
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11256	Posted - 2015.01.17 09:28:21 - [489] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Except for all the times Wardecs do work, and the trillions of isk worth of ships blown up by them. But hey, ignore that because it doesn't suit you. Oh, so they're not completely voluntary thanks to an exploit that allows the defender to dodge it with trivial cost? That's a load off my mind. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Dave Stark 7263	Posted - 2015.01.17 09:28:24 - [490] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Well, wardecs don't work, and awoxing was just deleted. All that's really left is ganking. It's one step closer, that's for sure. Except for all the times Wardecs do work, and the trillions of isk worth of ships blown up by them. But hey, ignore that because it doesn't suit you. End result, no-one is immune to PvP in high sec, so, it's not anything like Trammel, or WoW, or any other sky is falling cry you want to make. the remaining fact; unless you get suicide ganked, you can avoid every other form of pvp in high sec.
Sugar Smacks State War Academy Caldari State 27	Posted - 2015.01.17 09:42:27 - [491] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: Trammel... Sorry in Trammel you could kill your guildmates. Oh and the game grew to almost double in size after that, but please i love this analogy.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2539	Posted - 2015.01.17 09:47:49 - [492] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: If you really believe in that line of reasoning, then you might as well call for the total removal of any and all pvp from the game. The ratio of people who don't want pvp, as opposed to those who do, is three to one. Removing pvp, and not just some underhanded methods of doing pvp, but all of it, would make a whole lot of players, including new players, happy. How long can you take the risk of PVP away from a PVP game before people become completely bored with it? There's no PVE to fill their boring, hollow little lives with. Does that matter? The dominant opinion is that nonconsensual pvp should be done away with. This is so not just for EVE, but for any game with nonconsensual pvp out there. Like I said earlier in this thread, read the forums of any survival game, as that genre is the last bastion of nonconsensual pvp elements out there. When I said "remove pvp from EVE," I of course don't mean that these people would advocate turning it off entirely. I'm sure they'd be more than willing to relegate it to an opt-in, arena-like event system so that all the "pvpers" can "have their fun" without "affecting the gameplay of others." Mara Rinn wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Right. We should wait until CCP does that, and then cry about it. This would be a good strategy for making sure that only good changes get implemented, and making sure that the game keeps the integrity and core promises that have allowed it to exist for over a decade. I prefer complaining about the things that matter, not the things that my tin foil hat tells me are going to destroy the world. No, you prefer complaining about the things that are important to you, just like everyone else, including myself. To claim otherwise is hypocritical, and to claim that only things that matter are things that are important to you is downright delusional. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2539	Posted - 2015.01.17 09:50:25 - [493] - Quote Sugar Smacks wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Trammel... Sorry in Trammel you could kill your guildmates. Oh and the game grew to almost double in size after that, but please i love this analogy. And any recent Call of Duty has more players than the entire MMO industry combined. Should we turn EVE into a mlgpro360noscope420blazeiteveryday fps game? Obviously that would result in waaaaay more subscribers. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11258	Posted - 2015.01.17 09:52:41 - [494] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Sugar Smacks wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Trammel... Sorry in Trammel you could kill your guildmates. Oh and the game grew to almost double in size after that, but please i love this analogy. And any recent Call of Duty has more players than the entire MMO industry combined. Should we turn EVE into a mlgpro360noscope420blazeiteveryday fps game? Obviously that would result in waaaaay more subscribers. Let's not forget Flappy Bird and Farmville. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 18888	Posted - 2015.01.17 10:02:40 - [495] - Quote I'm the only sane person around here. runs around half naked ... ... her boobees jiggling ... ... spreading sparkly pink glitter Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D Come along now, come along with me and I'll eeaasee your pain..
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 350	Posted - 2015.01.17 10:08:28 - [496] - Quote Sugar Smacks wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Trammel... Sorry in Trammel you could kill your guildmates. Oh and the game grew to almost double in size after that, but please i love this analogy. And now it's F2P and for all intents and purposes on life support. Solecist Project wrote: I'm the only sane person around here. runs around half naked ... ... her boobees jiggling ... ... spreading sparkly pink glitter Oh god, if you're the sanest person here, we're well and truly screwed tucks ISK into Sol's underwear, careful with the running and jiggling those weapons of mass distraction, you'll give yourself a pair of black eyes, or concussion. ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.*
Solops Crendraven Solops Inc 50	Posted - 2015.01.17 10:11:35 - [497] - Quote The Question Of The day Will Players Of Eve Online Really Miss Awoxers?? And will it suck?Imean it really only affects a small % of already a small Fanbase Its not like a New Bro can Fly a Cap or a Bling ship or will even stay long enough to even want too whats really re8arded is Why would I want to pay for a $3500 for A Titan anyway(Unfortunately Likely One day I will) to only get Awoxed by my own corp that recruited me. Check Me Out!!! On Twitch Tv 24/7 enter link description here
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 18891	Posted - 2015.01.17 10:15:27 - [498] - Quote Solops Crendraven wrote: The Question Of The day Will Players Of Eve Online Really Miss Awoxers?? And will it suck?Imean it really only affects a small % of already a small Fanbase Its not like a New Bro can Fly a Cap or a Bling ship or will even stay long enough to even want too whats really re8arded is Why would I want to pay for a $3500 for A Titan anyway(Unfortunately Likely One day I will) to only get Awoxed by my own corp that recruited me. Masterr? Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D Come along now, come along with me and I'll eeaasee your pain..
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 18898	Posted - 2015.01.17 10:51:57 - [499] - Quote Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Sugar Smacks wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Trammel... Sorry in Trammel you could kill your guildmates. Oh and the game grew to almost double in size after that, but please i love this analogy. And now it's F2P and for all intents and purposes on life support. Solecist Project wrote: I'm the only sane person around here. runs around half naked ... ... her boobees jiggling ... ... spreading sparkly pink glitter Oh god, if you're the sanest person here, we're well and truly screwed tucks ISK into Sol's underwear. Be careful with the running and jiggling of those weapons of mass distraction, you'll give yourself a pair of black eyes, or concussion. Gee.... thanks! :) hugs you tightly, wiggling you around* :) Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D Come along now, come along with me and I'll eeaasee your pain..
Aiyshimin Shiva Furnace 351	Posted - 2015.01.17 11:04:40 - [500] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Quote: But tell me again why tear harvesting is a desirable game feature? If someone enjoys carebearing, why is it important to ruin that enjoyment? Is the pleasure a ganker gets from the tears something worth nurturing and cherishing? THERE it is. If you talk to someone long enough, the underlying thinking and motivation will show up. EVE mimics real life in that it doesn't matter what you 'want', it matters what you can ENFORCE. I enjoy 'carebearing' I play multiple types of PVE (missions, incursions, 0.0 ratting and plexing, lvl 5 missions and other things, hell i used to farm COSMOS sites). I do these things despite the fact that people want to make my ships explode. For the REAL EVE PVE player, learning how to keep people from making you explode while you gather riches Indiana Jones Styles IS the game. They are free to come at me (bro), i am free to PVE while dodging them and still make isk. The fact that some dude wants to come in to EVE and ignore everyone else while also having an affect on everyone else (every unit of ore they mine lessens the value of everyone else's ore) doesn't mean the game works that way. The thing that i despise about such people is that rather than learn how to exist in the current system, they try to 'metagame' CCP into eliminating opposing playstyles. That's weak. I don't need CCP to beat gankers and Awoxxers for me, I do that on my own all day. While you may not realize it, what you just asked was "Why is FREEDOM in a sandbox game a desirable game feature?". Wrong, it isn't my thinking, it was the motive for awoxing that you brought up. I asked why does that motive deserve cherishing in your opinion. Is it good for marketing? Is this how EVE grows? This is what you avoided answering, instead going on a pointless tangent on your PVE.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 14516	Posted - 2015.01.17 11:05:36 - [501] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Except for all the times Wardecs do work This would be never. Solops Crendraven wrote: The Question Of The day Will Players Of Eve Online Really Miss Awoxers?? And will it suck?Imean it really only affects a small % of already a small Fanbase Its not like a New Bro can Fly a Cap or a Bling ship or will even stay long enough to even want too whats really re8arded is Why would I want to pay for a $3500 for A Titan anyway(Unfortunately Likely One day I will) to only get Awoxed by my own corp that recruited me. All of those things will still happen after this change. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Arkady Romanov Hole Violence Whole Squid 570	Posted - 2015.01.17 11:16:26 - [502] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Nevyn Auscent wrote: Except for all the times Wardecs do work This would be never. Solops Crendraven wrote: The Question Of The day Will Players Of Eve Online Really Miss Awoxers?? And will it suck?Imean it really only affects a small % of already a small Fanbase Its not like a New Bro can Fly a Cap or a Bling ship or will even stay long enough to even want too whats really re8arded is Why would I want to pay for a $3500 for A Titan anyway(Unfortunately Likely One day I will) to only get Awoxed by my own corp that recruited me. All of those things will still happen after this change. I would really really really really like to see some stats from CCP about the number of wardecs that actually follow the appropriate lifecycle of declaration, war, surrender/repeal as they are supposed to be used compared to the number of wars that get invalidated purely by the corp disbanding. Heck, stack the deck in favor of "proper use" and included the RVB wars and never-ending Marmite wardecs against long standing null alliances who don't give a crap. If the proportion is 50 invalidated due to corp folding to every 1 successful war or better, I would be astounded. Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Gregor Parud 923	Posted - 2015.01.17 11:16:30 - [503] - Quote Good, now people can finally join corporations which we can then wardec
Dave Stark 7267	Posted - 2015.01.17 11:32:45 - [504] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: Good, now people can finally join corporations which we can then wardec which will then be folded and reformed before the war even starts. so you can war dec them, but you won't get to actually shoot at them (without concord intervention)
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2546	Posted - 2015.01.17 11:35:16 - [505] - Quote Arkady Romanov wrote: I would really really really really like to see some stats from CCP about the number of wardecs that actually follow the appropriate lifecycle of declaration, war, surrender/repeal as they are supposed to be used compared to the number of wars that get invalidated purely by the corp disbanding. Heck, stack the deck in favor of "proper use" and included the RVB wars and never-ending Marmite wardecs against long standing null alliances who don't give a crap. If the proportion is 50 invalidated due to corp folding to every 1 successful war or better, I would be astounded. Most wars get invalidated without anyone disbanding, because the majority of wars either don't result in any meaningful activity, or are conducted between entities that are unlikely to disband because of a war. Most wars against carebear targets, for profit or fun, result in the target corporation putting activities on hold in order to "play some War Thunder," "spend some time with the wife," et cetera. I've conducted literally hundreds of such wars myself to fill in the gaps between mercenary contracts and wormhole shenanigans, and I'd say something like: 1/3 result in at least one kill, but an overall low amount of kills 1/8 get disbanded 1/15 result in multiple kills/resistance 1/30 pay a meaningful ransom or achieve some other agreement Most just sit through the war and then continue things as normal, or their activity drops so low and so few come back that they're effectively disbanded. I want to say that more carebears leave the game right off the bat when they get their first war than hop corps/switch to NPC corp, but I'm not sure about this one. Either way, the ratio is close. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Aiyshimin Shiva Furnace 352	Posted - 2015.01.17 11:38:11 - [506] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Ah, the day subscription fees mattering more than quality content is finally upon us. fair play to ccp, took them longer to succumb to allure than most other companies. still, a sad day. What part of a hisec awoxing was quality content? Of course sub numbers mean more than a nich+¬ group having a free pass to ganking, what did you seriously expect? CCP is trying to fix the game before its too late, and this is just one of them.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2546	Posted - 2015.01.17 11:42:22 - [507] - Quote Aiyshimin wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Ah, the day subscription fees mattering more than quality content is finally upon us. fair play to ccp, took them longer to succumb to allure than most other companies. still, a sad day. What part of a hisec awoxing was quality content? Of course sub numbers mean more than a nich+¬ group having a free pass to ganking, what did you seriously expect? CCP is trying to fix the game before its too late, and this is just one of them. The part in which you befriend some rich clown, and then pop his shiny CNR, or freighter full of his belongings after convincing him to move a few systems over. Or the good old mining op bust. You know, the stuff that actually makes up the majority of awoxing activities, as opposed to the ridiculous bullcrap about little day-old babbys losing their basic-fitted Ventures to sociopath griefers blah blah (I've seriously yet to see a kill like that). I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 105	Posted - 2015.01.17 11:43:51 - [508] - Quote Aiyshimin wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Ah, the day subscription fees mattering more than quality content is finally upon us. fair play to ccp, took them longer to succumb to allure than most other companies. still, a sad day. What part of a hisec awoxing was quality content? Of course sub numbers mean more than a nich+¬ group having a free pass to ganking, what did you seriously expect? CCP is trying to fix the game before its too late, and this is just one of them. I must point out that there is a remote possiblity of hisec awoxing being quality content, but the dumbmode point-click-killmail on a random corpie is definitely not it. A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
Dave Stark 7267	Posted - 2015.01.17 11:44:44 - [509] - Quote Aiyshimin wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Ah, the day subscription fees mattering more than quality content is finally upon us. fair play to ccp, took them longer to succumb to allure than most other companies. still, a sad day. What part of a hisec awoxing was quality content? Of course sub numbers mean more than a nich+¬ group having a free pass to ganking, what did you seriously expect? CCP is trying to fix the game before its too late, and this is just one of them. which part of being a complete scumbag and stealing everything from a corp's poses is quality content? which bit of shooting ships that uncloak on a gate with no chance of a fair fight is quality content? in short; all of it, to different people. by your logic we should be removing gatecamps, and blobbing, and... see where this is going? i'm sure you can.
Dave Stark 7274	Posted - 2015.01.17 11:46:06 - [510] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: I must point out that there is a remote possiblity of hisec awoxing being quality content, but the dumbmode point-click-killmail on a random corpie is definitely not it. which is entirely the fault of how neutral logi works, not the corp aggression mechanics.

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