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Aredontis
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:12:57 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Aredontis wrote:
According to the records (yes 'wiki not definitive blah blah') Trammel was successful enough for 5 expansions to follow it and lead to 250K subs, sooo wanna try again?
I don't need to try again, because AFTER it hit those 250k subs it fell off the face of the earth (back below 100k subs in 4 years). Thanks for unwittingly proving the point i was trying to make, you're a good wingman.
Which would lead one to believe that the later drop in subs was due to a later expansion, or lack of further content, since the drop happened years later. but you go ahead and read it your way. |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:15:22 -
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Solecist Project wrote:J'Poll wrote:You do know the in game corp search ads suck.
But if you did some research you would find over 40 corps (yes, I do have a list and try to keep it up to date) who are good and very new player friendly.
But apparantly you didnt kbow that cause that would mean learning something new and spent time doing something other then carebearing. Would you mind sharing the names in private, so I can check out if they are actually worth the time new players spend there? There are way too many "new player friendly corps" that should be removed from the game, because they hurt more than they do any good.
No. Go do your own ******* research and spent some time doing something useful with your time in EVE. Stop being the useless leech.
And I do agree, the majority of the so called "New Player Friendly" corps arent and it would indeed for the better if they didnt recruit as such.
However sometimes it is better to make a mistake and learn from it. It makes you learn stuff but also make you appreciate what you do have (including that corp that is great for you).
Hell a bunch of veterans didnt contribute to a great guide on how to find a good corp and how to weed out the ****** ones.
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:15:44 -
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Form your own corp...get some isk through tax, and then turn the pvp flag on and pew pew them till they leave.
Now you can be one of those useless noob corps that teach new players nothing that you all complain about.
Oh ya, they do learn one thing.
Don't join a player corp unless you want to be abused for being new.
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Solecist Project
All Glory to the HypnoBoobs
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:16:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Btw, this thread should be official renamed the "Helen Lovejoy defence".
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:17:35 -
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Aredontis wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Aredontis wrote:
According to the records (yes 'wiki not definitive blah blah') Trammel was successful enough for 5 expansions to follow it and lead to 250K subs, sooo wanna try again?
I don't need to try again, because AFTER it hit those 250k subs it fell off the face of the earth (back below 100k subs in 4 years). Thanks for unwittingly proving the point i was trying to make, you're a good wingman. Which would lead one to believe that the later drop in subs was due to a later expansion, or lack of further content, since the drop happened years later. but you go ahead and read it your way.
I may be perceived as naive for asking this, but what is Trammel and what does it have to do with EVE?
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Aredontis
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:18:25 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:The lesson to be taken away here is that we should just do away with pvp in high-sec altogether, since that's what the majority wants, and the majority must be catered to. Leave the rest of the mechanics intact, and give the modern gamer what they're asking for.
Whether or not CCP fails or becomes the most profitable company in the world because of this is irrelevant to the discussion. There's obviously no room in the world for the product that EVE has been so far, because its very concept is to not cater to what the majority of its users are asking for, which lies in direct conflict with the socially, economically, and politically accepted argument that the function of a business is to make as much money as possible.
While I realize you are being facetious, I would actually agree. Do away with non-consensual PVP in hi-sec, or create a new set of systems (like the new wormhole area) that don't allow non-consensual PVP. Watch what happens.... I dare you.
My guess? That area would fill up fast, and people who like to fly spaceships and see the amazing backgrounds and textures of this game would spend a year or two playing in that area before they unsubbed or moved to "more dangerous" space. Maybe 10% of them would last, but at WoW subscription rates, that 10% would be more than Eve has ever seen.
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Aredontis
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:19:30 -
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Mr Epeen wrote: I may be perceived as naive for asking this, but what is Trammel and what does it have to do with EVE? Mr Epeen
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Tim Timpson
Solitude Trading
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:19:35 -
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J'Poll wrote:Plenty of corps already recruit people as new as 5 minutes.
It is **** corps that dont. I'm sorry, but you are evidently terrible at EVE, so I'm not going to take your word for it that good corps break the most basic rule of highsec corp recruitment. It does nobody any favours if you recruit brand new newbies because you have absolutely no method of tell who is an awoxer.
J'Poll wrote:You do know the in game corp search ads suck.
But if you did some research you would find over 40 corps (yes, I do have a list and try to keep it up to date) who are good and very new player friendly. 40 corps across the whole game? And that's a list you've made? What was the criteria for being a "good" corp in your eyes? I fully believe that *you* believe these corps are good, but that doesn't make them not terrible.
J'Poll wrote:But apparantly you didnt kbow that cause that would mean learning something new and spent time doing something other then carebearing. Lol, yes, I'm the one that didn't know that you think there are corps that aren't terrible who openly recruit awoxers. And thanks for making the assumption that I'm a carebear, really proves you have no clue what you are talking about.
J'Poll wrote:Too bad not every account is actually asked why they leave. So there is no statistica about that (proof it...) Of course not all are, but they do exit polls. If you go back and read the CSM minutes where they first talked about removing corp aggression I'm pretty sure CCP talk about it there. |
Aredontis
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:21:53 -
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J'Poll wrote:Even better...just remove high-sec and low-sec.
Empire becomes NPC null.
It means you must work together to survive... after all, all you numbnuts say that that's what CCP want, players working together.
Everybody has high paying (*cough* according to highsec rwtards) activity and awoxing and ganking doesnt exist anymore.
Soo, I see your argument has been so thoroughly debunked that you are down to name calling and straw men?
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9353
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:24:01 -
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Aredontis wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Aredontis wrote:
According to the records (yes 'wiki not definitive blah blah') Trammel was successful enough for 5 expansions to follow it and lead to 250K subs, sooo wanna try again?
I don't need to try again, because AFTER it hit those 250k subs it fell off the face of the earth (back below 100k subs in 4 years). Thanks for unwittingly proving the point i was trying to make, you're a good wingman. Which would lead one to believe that the later drop in subs was due to a later expansion, or lack of further content, since the drop happened years later. but you go ahead and read it your way.
Translation: I never played Ultima Online.
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:30:59 -
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Aredontis wrote: Do away with non-consensual PVP
Yes, a (perhaps THE) thing that makes EvE different from pretty much all MMOs out there needs to be removed.
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Aredontis
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:31:22 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Translation: I never played Ultima Online.
You are correct, I have never played UO. However, I've played Eve for a few years, so I'm good at spreadsheets, reading and numbers.
Given the linked article, I see that Trammel came out in 2000 ( Ultima Online: Renaissance (4 May 2000) ), and "Subscriber numbers peaked at around 250,000 in July 2003, and in 2008 sat around 100,000 subscribers". Which clearly shows that the Trammel expansion caused numbers to swell for 3 years. I think your straw man is on fire.... |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:33:28 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Aredontis wrote: Do away with non-consensual PVP Yes, a (perhaps THE) thing that makes EvE different from pretty much all MMOs out there needs to be removed.
This is what the majority wants, and we must cater to the majority.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:36:16 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Aredontis wrote: Do away with non-consensual PVP Yes, a (perhaps THE) thing that makes EvE different from pretty much all MMOs out there needs to be removed. This is what the majority wants, and we must cater to the majority.
Yes, Its clear to me now. The majority of players came to EvE DESPITE the differences from other games, not because of them.
How did y'all miss it, its so obvious... all differences must be eradicated.
Add Daily's, remove sandbox |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2515
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:37:28 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Aredontis wrote: Do away with non-consensual PVP Yes, a (perhaps THE) thing that makes EvE different from pretty much all MMOs out there needs to be removed. This is what the majority wants, and we must cater to the majority. Yes, Its clear to me now. The majority of players came to EvE DESPITE the differences from other games, not because of them. How did y'all miss it, its so obvious...
It's not just EVE. Go and browse any survival game's forum on Steam. The majority of the threads deal with players complaining about pvp. Even in games that offer pve servers or equivalent options.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9356
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:37:31 -
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Aredontis wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Translation: I never played Ultima Online.
You are correct, I have never played UO. However, I've played Eve for a few years, so I'm good at spreadsheets, reading and numbers. Given the linked article, I see that Trammel came out in 2000 ( Ultima Online: Renaissance (4 May 2000) ), and "Subscriber numbers peaked at around 250,000 in July 2003, and in 2008 sat around 100,000 subscribers". Which clearly shows that the Trammel expansion caused numbers to swell for 3 years. I think your straw man is on fire....
So, if you are a developer, swelling numbers for a period is a perfectly good reason to basically kill your own game. Got it.
I understand that you don't understand the reference and how it relates to the subject at hand. One day you will understand it too (this last sentence is the iffy part).
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Aredontis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:38:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:This is what the majority wants, and we must cater to the majority.
We are off topic here, and the included quote is waaay out of context, but...
If the "majority (aka thousands and thousands of people)" are willing to pay CCP to have an area where they don't feel grief from other players, and that money makes it possible for CCP to keep devs employed and servers running/upgraded - what is your problem with it?
I see you had no problem with CCP allowing -10s to buy sec status, something they said would never happen when I started the game. (I'm just guessing that you had no problem with it  , I do recall that -10 was supposed to be the big drawback to ganking and having to PVE your way back to sec was the "punishment" ) |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:39:29 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Aredontis wrote: Do away with non-consensual PVP Yes, a (perhaps THE) thing that makes EvE different from pretty much all MMOs out there needs to be removed. This is what the majority wants, and we must cater to the majority. Yes, Its clear to me now. The majority of players came to EvE DESPITE the differences from other games, not because of them. How did y'all miss it, its so obvious... all differences must be eradicated. Add Daily's, remove sandbox
You lock Billy in the root cellar again? I haven't seen him in a while.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Tim Timpson
Solitude Trading
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:39:33 -
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J'Poll wrote:Solecist Project wrote:J'Poll wrote:You do know the in game corp search ads suck.
But if you did some research you would find over 40 corps (yes, I do have a list and try to keep it up to date) who are good and very new player friendly.
But apparantly you didnt kbow that cause that would mean learning something new and spent time doing something other then carebearing. Would you mind sharing the names in private, so I can check out if they are actually worth the time new players spend there? There are way too many "new player friendly corps" that should be removed from the game, because they hurt more than they do any good. No. Go do your own ******* research and spent some time doing something useful with your time in EVE. Stop being the useless leech, I already owe you an underwear pic and a date. Amazing! "There are good corps taht recruit everyone even though that's incredibly dumb, I have a list! Wait what? you want to see the list? No way! It's super secret!".
Classic. |
Aredontis
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:41:52 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:So, if you are a developer, swelling numbers for a period is a perfectly good reason to basically kill your own game. Got it.
I understand that you don't understand the reference and how it relates to the subject at hand. One day you will understand it too (this last sentence is the iffy part).
It ran for another 8 years, with great subscription numbers (better than pre-trammel), how - exactly - was it that Trammel killed it??? |
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:42:18 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Aredontis wrote: Do away with non-consensual PVP Yes, a (perhaps THE) thing that makes EvE different from pretty much all MMOs out there needs to be removed. This is what the majority wants, and we must cater to the majority. Yes, Its clear to me now. The majority of players came to EvE DESPITE the differences from other games, not because of them. How did y'all miss it, its so obvious... It's not just EVE. Go and browse any survival game's forum on Steam. The majority of the threads deal with players complaining about pvp. Even in games that offer pve servers or equivalent options.
Yup. Ahnd th' only music should be pop and only two films should be allowed in picture houses; rom-coms with Del Amitri soundtracks and action movies by either Cameron or Bay. |
Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:42:39 -
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I dont Know about you Guys heres a PvP Zombie MMO game in Alpha that just came out in Jan 2015 and it has over 40k viewers on twitch while Eve Struggles with just to get 100 a day and its been out for 10 years I think we have serious core issues than Awoxing http://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/H1Z1
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2515
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:42:55 -
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Aredontis wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:This is what the majority wants, and we must cater to the majority. We are off topic here, and the included quote is waaay out of context, but... If the "majority (aka thousands and thousands of people)" are willing to pay CCP to have an area where they don't feel grief from other players, and that money makes it possible for CCP to keep devs employed and servers running/upgraded - what is your problem with it? I see you had no problem with CCP allowing -10s to buy sec status, something they said would never happen when I started the game. (I'm just guessing here )
You're surprised that I don't have an issue with one of arguably only two changes that benefit the ganking/nonconsensual pvp community, which float in a veritable sea of changes that don't?
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9356
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:43:07 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Aredontis wrote: Do away with non-consensual PVP Yes, a (perhaps THE) thing that makes EvE different from pretty much all MMOs out there needs to be removed. This is what the majority wants, and we must cater to the majority. Yes, Its clear to me now. The majority of players came to EvE DESPITE the differences from other games, not because of them. How did y'all miss it, its so obvious... It's not just EVE. Go and browse any survival game's forum on Steam. The majority of the threads deal with players complaining about pvp. Even in games that offer pve servers or equivalent options.
"Carebearism" is that insidious. I was surprised to find it in EVE but I shouldn't have been. Basically, wherever there is a game were people can loose stuff (and losing stuff makes people feel "bad") there will be people campaigning for that to be 'controlled' or made to go away even if there are other options.
This is why CCP is making a mistake. Make 'awoxxiong' a switch and the most of the people in npc corps will find other excuses to stay in npc corps (not it will jsut be war decs or suicide ganking, like it already is lol). Meanwhile ESTABLISHED players will be able to invite the few gullible ones into their corps to pay them taxes, enriching themselves even more and widening the wealth gap between new and old.
I like CCP, but you'd think they'd know all this by now.
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:43:38 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:You lock Billy in the root cellar again? I haven't seen him in a while. Mr Epeen
He's been a bad little boy and ah've had to discipline him fer his own good |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1513
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:44:19 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Aredontis wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Translation: I never played Ultima Online.
You are correct, I have never played UO. However, I've played Eve for a few years, so I'm good at spreadsheets, reading and numbers. Given the linked article, I see that Trammel came out in 2000 ( Ultima Online: Renaissance (4 May 2000) ), and "Subscriber numbers peaked at around 250,000 in July 2003, and in 2008 sat around 100,000 subscribers". Which clearly shows that the Trammel expansion caused numbers to swell for 3 years. I think your straw man is on fire.... So, if you are a developer, swelling numbers for a period is a perfectly good reason to basically kill your own game. Got it. I understand that you don't understand the reference and how it relates to the subject at hand. One day you will understand it too (this last sentence is the iffy part).
You have any proof that the number died down because of Trammel or just the opinion of the few diehard remaining thinking their opinion is a fact just because all those who are now gone won't provide their opinion? |
Aredontis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:51:09 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:You're surprised that I don't have an issue with one of arguably only two changes that benefit the ganking/nonconsensual pvp community, which float in a veritable sea of changes that don't?
but those changes that increased mining ships EHP and made it harder for you to gank caused you to join a group of others to accomplish the gank, instead of doing it yourself in a smartbombing catalyst. I thought forcing others to work together was a good thing?
/sarc
My point was, everyone "has a problem" with things that negatively affect their play style and "doesn't have a problem" with things that don't affect it or make it easier/better. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1513
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:53:29 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Aredontis wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:This is what the majority wants, and we must cater to the majority. We are off topic here, and the included quote is waaay out of context, but... If the "majority (aka thousands and thousands of people)" are willing to pay CCP to have an area where they don't feel grief from other players, and that money makes it possible for CCP to keep devs employed and servers running/upgraded - what is your problem with it? I see you had no problem with CCP allowing -10s to buy sec status, something they said would never happen when I started the game. (I'm just guessing that you had no problem with it , I do recall that -10 was supposed to be the big drawback to ganking and having to PVE your way back to sec was the "punishment" ) There is the standard "hey, they have money" fallacy. So, somehow, DESTORYING the idea that is EVE Online to gain subscription money from people too weak minded to play real EVE benefits the EVE community because CCP will have more money to keep EVE (that isn't EVE) any more going.... EVE is one world, indivisible, with space-liberty and and injustice for all.
The "it destroy the idea of EVE" fallacy is just as bad. No matter how you look at it, it's a service/product they sell expecting to make a buck out of it. The end goal for the owner is always $$$. No matter what the devs say and even what they belive, if the owners say they want the game to generate more subs, then generating more subs it will be.
Who know what the owner actually want? |
Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
49
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:53:55 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:I dont Know about you Guys heres a PvP Zombie MMO game in Alpha (H1Z1) that just came out in Jan 2015 and it has over 40k viewers on twitch while Eve Struggles with just to get 100 a day and its been out for 10 years I think we have serious core issues than Awoxing http://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/H1Z1 It's the new kid in town which just got released for early access. It means nothing in the grand scheme of things unless it stays that way for a long time.
That is true however Eve should be up there with Counterstrike and LOL and Wow Top Of the List not on the Bottom It Deserves more Views especially for a 10 year game. It Tells you alot about a community.
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:55:37 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote: Eve should be up there with Counterstrike and LOL and Wow
The day this happens is the day all of my accounts are ended. No j/k. |
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