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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:22:29 -
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Leisha Miranen wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: you're talking about capture node pimples, not the initial rf timer, which is all that i have ever been talking about throughout this entire thread
I just wanted to note that you've now posted more than 72 times in this thread. so, wanna fight about it |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
316
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:22:58 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Veskrashen wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:what is it about the concept "the interceptor can travel at will and disengage at will" are you chuckleheads failing to grasp The fact that it can't "disengage at will" while an Entosis Link is active? Which gives a defender up to 2 minutes to close and kill it? Especially when the fight starts at less than 80km due to combat probes? how do you close on an interceptor before it burns off grid exactly hint: they go fast, can't be bubbled, and scrams have a very short range on anything that can keep up with them
Lachesis or Rapier, combat probes would be my first suggestion. Although if the fight is not on spawned bunker but at static structure defender should have already the bookmarks prepared.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK!
GOT the bastard.
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
605
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:23:20 -
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Acuma wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:it's an issue because you can't stop the attacking interceptor in any meaningful fashion from doing this every single day
if someone is being a nuisance it should be mechanically possible to stop him from being a nuisance, i feel like this is a reasonable request You mean like high sec ganking? avoid obvious choke points, fit tank, limit the amount you are carrying, and stay dimly aware of things like Burn Jita and you will never get ganked |
Acuma
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:24:36 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Acuma wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:it's an issue because you can't stop the attacking interceptor in any meaningful fashion from doing this every single day
if someone is being a nuisance it should be mechanically possible to stop him from being a nuisance, i feel like this is a reasonable request You mean like high sec ganking? avoid obvious choke points, fit tank, limit the amount you are carrying, and stay dimly aware of things like Burn Jita and you will never get ganked Have one inty with the link and you'll never get RF'd by a trollceptor.......see, I can do that too. LOL |
Leisha Miranen
The Alabaster Albatross Eternal Pretorian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:24:39 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Leisha Miranen wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: you're talking about capture node pimples, not the initial rf timer, which is all that i have ever been talking about throughout this entire thread
I just wanted to note that you've now posted more than 72 times in this thread. so, wanna fight about it
lol not rly, doesn't matter rly, I just noticed a lot of posts and was bopred enough to count \o/ |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2634
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:25:03 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote: you're talking about capture node pimples, not the initial rf timer, which is all that i have ever been talking about throughout this entire thread
This thread is about the Entosis link and the sovereignty system thereof. Not just TCUs. If the inty's don't bother with the "pimples" that spawn immediately following the TCU RF, the TCU returns to a non-RF state. I.E. No Problem at all for the defender.
In effect: Trollceptor RF TCU ---> Trollceptor Leaves ---> TCU Returns to non RF after 4 hours. (No action needed) Trollceptor RF TCU ---> Trollceptor Engages Sov Node (Need 1 caracal for every 4 Trollceptors per constellation assuming occupancy 40 minute bonus) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6576
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:25:26 -
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Is that what the command nodes are called now, sov pimples?
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
605
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:25:51 -
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Acuma wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Acuma wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:it's an issue because you can't stop the attacking interceptor in any meaningful fashion from doing this every single day
if someone is being a nuisance it should be mechanically possible to stop him from being a nuisance, i feel like this is a reasonable request You mean like high sec ganking? avoid obvious choke points, fit tank, limit the amount you are carrying, and stay dimly aware of things like Burn Jita and you will never get ganked Have one inty with the link and you'll never get RF'd by a trollceptor.......see, I can do that too. LOL if you want to pose a chance of actually stopping their shenanigans you have to approach with supernumeracy in levels that are excessive to anyone other than GSF and possibly brave newbies |
Sigras
Conglomo
1014
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:25:52 -
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To the people stating that trollceptors dont matter because you can counter them with a friendly entosis link...
Picture this Scenario
I have a fleet of 300 coming to capture your system after we reinforced it last night, but I dont like Fozzie's idea of splitting my fleet up to capture command nodes in different systems... So i allocate 20 of my ships as trollceptors. I send 4 of them to each command node to prevent it from being captured and move my other 260 people around capping the modules one by one. No need to split up my fleet, no risk of loss. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
605
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:26:47 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: you're talking about capture node pimples, not the initial rf timer, which is all that i have ever been talking about throughout this entire thread
This thread is about the Entosis link and the sovereignty system thereof. Not just TCUs. If the inty's don't bother with the "pimples" that spawn immediately following the TCU RF, the TCU returns to a non-RF state. I.E. No Problem at all for the defender. In effect:Trollceptor RF TCU ---> Trollceptor Leaves ---> TCU Returns to non RF after 4 hours. (No action needed)Trollceptor RF TCU ---> Trollceptor Engages Sov Node ( Need 1 caracal for every 4 Trollceptors per constellation assuming occupancy 40 minute bonus) what does the tcu have to do with it, you can make timers for ihubs and stations too
if anything the tcu is the least vulnerable to trollceptors |
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Acuma
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:27:52 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Acuma wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Acuma wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:it's an issue because you can't stop the attacking interceptor in any meaningful fashion from doing this every single day
if someone is being a nuisance it should be mechanically possible to stop him from being a nuisance, i feel like this is a reasonable request You mean like high sec ganking? avoid obvious choke points, fit tank, limit the amount you are carrying, and stay dimly aware of things like Burn Jita and you will never get ganked Have one inty with the link and you'll never get RF'd by a trollceptor.......see, I can do that too. LOL if you want to pose a chance of actually stopping their shenanigans you have to approach with supernumeracy in levels that are excessive to anyone other than GSF and possibly brave newbies Not really, sounds like it's just nuisance for alliances with vast area's of unused space....the trollceptor isn't going to make a career out of gate jumping for 4 hours everyday. In an active constellation it'll be ridiculously easy to ruin trollceptor's imaginary fun of RF'ing everything.......he'll get bored accomplishing nothing and then maybe some real fighting can occur. |
Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
289
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:27:57 -
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Eli Apoli wrote:lol ad-hominem at an avatar of an alt..
Not really, you have demonstrated your lack of insight on sovereign null time and time again with your posts under the thread. You even posted once yourself that you do not want to sound like a high-sec salvager that knows everything in EVE. Well, you awfully sound like one, therefore, I'm just reiterating your opinion of yourself.
You haven't lived in null before, you don't even recognize that Goons and by extension CFC use their sovereign space at levels unlike seen with any other major null power. Yet, you are trying really hard to pretend that your opinions are based on solid assumptions, and not patched up guesswork as it really reads like.
But you continue to entertain, I'll give that to you. Now you are implying that you are an alt of a null dweller! I'm hoping for another post coming from you that will claim you are actually an alt of a sovereign null alliance leader, and that your wild and speculative rhetoric should be taken seriously because of that. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6576
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:27:59 -
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Sigras wrote:To the people stating that trollceptors dont matter because you can counter them with a friendly entosis link...
Picture this Scenario
I have a fleet of 300 coming to capture your system after we reinforced it last night, but I dont like Fozzie's idea of splitting my fleet up to capture command nodes in different systems... So i allocate 20 of my ships as trollceptors. I send 4 of them to each command node to prevent it from being captured and move my other 260 people around capping the modules one by one. No need to split up my fleet, no risk of loss. So,,, you're blobbing, you're blobbing...
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Eli Apol
Pro Synergy
338
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:28:08 -
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Sigras wrote:To the people stating that trollceptors dont matter because you can counter them with a friendly entosis link...
Picture this Scenario
I have a fleet of 300 coming to capture your system after we reinforced it last night, but I dont like Fozzie's idea of splitting my fleet up to capture command nodes in different systems... So i allocate 20 of my ships as trollceptors. I send 4 of them to each command node to prevent it from being captured and move my other 260 people around capping the modules one by one. No need to split up my fleet, no risk of loss. I think one maulus or griffin completely stops 3, maybe 4 trollceptors, so yeah 2 ewar frigs and then a friendly laser and you cap each of those points with just 2 people in 10 minutes whilst the fleet of 260 takes upto 40 minutes to cap one. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
605
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:29:09 -
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Acuma wrote:Not really, sounds like it's just nuisance for alliances with vast area's of unused space....the trollceptor isn't going to make a career out of gate jumping for 4 hours everyday. It'll get boring while accomplishing nothing and then maybe some real fighting can occur. it's a nuisance for any alliance who does not overwhelmingly outnumber the people attacking them
guess who has the most numbers in eve
hint: it's us |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
492
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:29:59 -
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Pre-emptive "we told you so" before the inevitable tears of everyone getting hosed by these changes (hint: it's not us) |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2634
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:30:06 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: you're talking about capture node pimples, not the initial rf timer, which is all that i have ever been talking about throughout this entire thread
This thread is about the Entosis link and the sovereignty system thereof. Not just TCUs. If the inty's don't bother with the "pimples" that spawn immediately following the TCU RF, the TCU returns to a non-RF state. I.E. No Problem at all for the defender. In effect:Trollceptor RF TCU ---> Trollceptor Leaves ---> TCU Returns to non RF after 4 hours. (No action needed)Trollceptor RF TCU ---> Trollceptor Engages Sov Node ( Need 1 caracal for every 4 Trollceptors per constellation assuming occupancy 40 minute bonus) what does the tcu have to do with it, you can make timers for ihubs and stations too if anything the tcu is the least vulnerable to trollceptors Same deal, if something is RF'd by a trollceptor, and then the inty ignores the "sov pimples" (your stated concern), the RF'd structure (station, IHub, TCU, w/e) returns to a non RF state at the end of 4 hours.
If, as you say, you aren't discussing the trollceptor attacking "sov pimples", then you're literally worrying about having to take no action whatsoever, as any attack that isn't followed by a bout of pimple popping does absolutely nothing. |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
316
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:30:16 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Groperson wrote:[We do, we have pvp'ers at home, running bubbled gatecamps with instalockers and even they are unable to catch the interceptor gangs that come through. How would you suggest we counter the interceptor gangs? obviously by using neuting bumping nafalgars or whatever the latest theoretical approach is that anyone who has spent 5m in null knows won't work and why i think smartbombs are the lastest hotness in theorycrafting because npc alts can't activate smartbombs where they live so they don't know you can't smartbomb if you'd hit a gate
Local pirate population in aunenen (spelling?) seems to be pretty good at getting my interceptors with smartbombs. Trick seems to be sitting on outbound gate, certain distance from gate and hit the right number of bombs when the ship appears on short range scan. The smartbombs will hit it during the warp deacceleration phase.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK!
GOT the bastard.
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
605
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:31:27 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: you're talking about capture node pimples, not the initial rf timer, which is all that i have ever been talking about throughout this entire thread
This thread is about the Entosis link and the sovereignty system thereof. Not just TCUs. If the inty's don't bother with the "pimples" that spawn immediately following the TCU RF, the TCU returns to a non-RF state. I.E. No Problem at all for the defender. In effect:Trollceptor RF TCU ---> Trollceptor Leaves ---> TCU Returns to non RF after 4 hours. (No action needed)Trollceptor RF TCU ---> Trollceptor Engages Sov Node ( Need 1 caracal for every 4 Trollceptors per constellation assuming occupancy 40 minute bonus) what does the tcu have to do with it, you can make timers for ihubs and stations too if anything the tcu is the least vulnerable to trollceptors Same deal, if something is RF'd by a trollceptor, and then the inty ignores the "sov pimples" (your stated concern), the RF'd structure (station, IHub, TCU, w/e) returns to a non RF state at the end of 4 hours. If, as you say, you aren't discussing the trollceptor attacking "sov pimples", then you're literally worrying about having to take no action whatsoever, as any attack that isn't followed by a bout of pimple popping does absolutely nothing. the problem is that a single attacker generates a disproportionate amount of work for the defenders at any scale without enduring even an iota of risk
that is the whole thing |
Acuma
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:31:40 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Acuma wrote:Not really, sounds like it's just nuisance for alliances with vast area's of unused space....the trollceptor isn't going to make a career out of gate jumping for 4 hours everyday. It'll get boring while accomplishing nothing and then maybe some real fighting can occur. it's a nuisance for any alliance who does not overwhelmingly outnumber the people attacking them guess who has the most numbers in eve hint: it's us So the problem isn't with "trollceptors" then is it? Your numbers advantage will remain the same whether ceptors can use the link or not. |
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
605
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:33:41 -
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Acuma wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Acuma wrote:Not really, sounds like it's just nuisance for alliances with vast area's of unused space....the trollceptor isn't going to make a career out of gate jumping for 4 hours everyday. It'll get boring while accomplishing nothing and then maybe some real fighting can occur. it's a nuisance for any alliance who does not overwhelmingly outnumber the people attacking them guess who has the most numbers in eve hint: it's us So the problem isn't with "trollceptors" then is it? Your numbers advantage will remain the same whether ceptors can use the link or not. the problem is entirely trollceptors
the fact that we can safeguard our empire is immaterial to the fact that we cannot stop a single person from generating an insane amount of work that must be responded to in every single instance or you risk losing your ihub |
SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
70
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:34:27 -
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ADMlNlSTRATOR wrote:Is it true that using a Entosis Link on a sovereignty structure will NOT display any notifications to the players of the alliance owning the structure unless they are in the system under attack? Because, if so, it would highly disengage players from defending their space rather than engage them to undock and go defend their space. Some big alliances will used their existing IT infrastructure to query the API for such events, but even so, this information will probably be 10 minus late, if even available to normal players (think FC, Directors, CEO only). While there is the question whether you want small scale sovereignty attacks to be dependable with or without FCs, in order to get more people engaged, the attack notifications should be instantaneous and to all players in the alliance owning the structure under attack. Or you could just be active in the system instead of relying on a 3rd party program to monitor the sov for you. Notifications just enable groups to setup AFK empires. Being undocked and at the keyboard is just what the doctor ordered.
NO NOTIFICATIONS! |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
605
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:34:28 -
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like i am basically repeating the same thing over and over because y'all keep circling around these same few talking points without actually refuting what i am saying
i could set up a perl script to win the thread at this point |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
4102
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:34:47 -
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I've been following these related threads for a few weeks now, and as an outsider I really only have one question: How is any of this supposed to be any FUN?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
605
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:35:23 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:ADMlNlSTRATOR wrote:Is it true that using a Entosis Link on a sovereignty structure will NOT display any notifications to the players of the alliance owning the structure unless they are in the system under attack? Because, if so, it would highly disengage players from defending their space rather than engage them to undock and go defend their space. Some big alliances will used their existing IT infrastructure to query the API for such events, but even so, this information will probably be 10 minus late, if even available to normal players (think FC, Directors, CEO only). While there is the question whether you want small scale sovereignty attacks to be dependable with or without FCs, in order to get more people engaged, the attack notifications should be instantaneous and to all players in the alliance owning the structure under attack. Or you could just be active in the system instead of relying on a 3rd party program to monitor the sov for you. Notifications just enable groups to setup AFK empires. Being undocked and at the keyboard is just what the doctor ordered. NO NOTIFICATIONS! i suspect that the sov notifications will be built into the game for people actively logged in, as third party programs would be subject to at minimum a five minute delay, which is pretty impossible to act on with the new system |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2634
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:36:17 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: you're talking about capture node pimples, not the initial rf timer, which is all that i have ever been talking about throughout this entire thread
This thread is about the Entosis link and the sovereignty system thereof. Not just TCUs. If the inty's don't bother with the "pimples" that spawn immediately following the TCU RF, the TCU returns to a non-RF state. I.E. No Problem at all for the defender. In effect:Trollceptor RF TCU ---> Trollceptor Leaves ---> TCU Returns to non RF after 4 hours. (No action needed)Trollceptor RF TCU ---> Trollceptor Engages Sov Node ( Need 1 caracal for every 4 Trollceptors per constellation assuming occupancy 40 minute bonus) what does the tcu have to do with it, you can make timers for ihubs and stations too if anything the tcu is the least vulnerable to trollceptors Same deal, if something is RF'd by a trollceptor, and then the inty ignores the "sov pimples" (your stated concern), the RF'd structure (station, IHub, TCU, w/e) returns to a non RF state at the end of 4 hours. If, as you say, you aren't discussing the trollceptor attacking "sov pimples", then you're literally worrying about having to take no action whatsoever, as any attack that isn't followed by a bout of pimple popping does absolutely nothing. the problem is that a single attacker generates a disproportionate amount of work for the defenders at any scale without enduring even an iota of risk that is the whole thing A single attacker generates no work if they don't move to the pimple popping phase (which was your stated concern).
In a Constellation with occupancy bonuses (40 minute penalty for attacker), 1 defending caracal > 3 troll ceptors. This generates work, but isn't just ONE attacker.
The only place where the trollceptor is a threat is an UNUSED AND UNDEFENDED system. And nothing entitles you to the ownership of a system that you neither use nor defend. |
Murkar Omaristos
The Alabaster Albatross Eternal Pretorian Alliance
102
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:37:01 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:I've been following these related threads for a few weeks now, and as an outsider I really only have one question: How is any of this supposed to be any FUN?
This right here is one of the main problems |
Dekyk
Project Valhalla. The Initiative.
5
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:37:16 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:However, if you continue to pose your arguments as :
We want good fights.
this is where you've lost the thread at no point is goonswarm federation interested in good fights defense of our empire comes first, subjugation of those who would even think of attacking our empire comes second, subjugation of everyone else comes third fights occasionally occur in the process of completing these two objectives but are completely tangential to our desires and goals That was pretty slick. Excellent avoidance of every relevant point in the post. Nice to know some things never change. when i can topple the entire post by refuting its primary fulcrum with a minimum of effort i will usually choose that option
You call 70+ posts a minimum of effort? Seriously, stop crapping all over this thread and making it longer than it needs to be please. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6576
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:38:25 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:like i am basically repeating the same thing over and over because y'all keep circling around these same few talking points without actually refuting what i am saying
i could set up a perl script to win the thread at this point You'd be banned for forum botting
So you'd lose the thread
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Corey Lean
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
74
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:38:30 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:I've been following these related threads for a few weeks now, and as an outsider I really only have one question: How is any of this supposed to be any FUN? Well its fun if theres a fight. Everybody gets some kills and goes home happy. But all these highsec salvagers, lowsec pirates and NPC null dwellers are dead set on rolling around in interceptors and not fighting. |
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