I find shooting structures in subcapitals to be very boring. I find it quite exciting when I have Dreadnoughts and/or Supercapitals, in Siege mode, and committed to the fight.

I posted this over in the main thread, but I am curious to see people's thoughts specifically as it relates to the issues associated with destroying things via Entosis.

One of the things that has bothered me the most about the proposed sovereignty system is that it allows small, non-committal entities to destroy valuable things without committing very much of their own to the fight. With destructible stations coming SoonTM, this is particularly troubling. In light of that, I suggest the following compromise.

In the proposed system, f I go into your system and run my Entosis link on your I-Hub and you do not stop me by chasing me away or blowing up my ship, it generates the standard timers as proposed by Fozzie. Forty-eight hours later, we have the multi-node Entosis capture point battles (or you blue ball me). If I win, I keep my stuff.

Under the proposed system, "If the attackers win a capture event for a Territorial Claim Unit or Infrastructure Hub, then the structure explodes and any alliance will be free to attempt deploying of their own replacement structures."

Now, here is my suggestion: "If the attackers win a capture event for a Territorial Claim Unit or Infrastructure Hub, then the structure becomes vulnerable to capture, theft, or destruction."

A vulnerable structure may be captured when any alliance/corporation runs one Entosis cycle on it, at any time (no prime time window). Once captured, the structure belongs to that alliance and becomes vulnerable again during the next day's prime time for the capturing alliance. The captured structure retains the indices and other advantages earned by the previous owner[s].

A vulnerable structure may be stolen when any player scoops the structure into the cargo hold of his ship. Structures too large to fit into a ship cannot be stolen. Once scooped, the structure loses the indices and other advantages earned by the previous owner[s].

A vulnerable structure can be destroyed at any time, provided someone is willing to shoot at it long enough or bring enough [big] ships to do the job quickly. While there are no reinforcement timers, the structures all have a significant amount of hit points. In the event of destruction, the structure loss mail will belong to the last alliance/corporation to own the structure.

I think that is a reasonable compromise. What say you?

Advantages over the current proposal:
1. It still gives attackers a way to make people undock and fight to defend their space.
2. It requires real commitment to actually destroy any structure.
3. It preserves a role for Dreadnoughts and other big ships in the destruction of structures.
4. It allows for more emergent gameplay and player interaction.
5. Assuming that some structures are the right size, it could allow for some interesting choices regarding Freighters and Jump Freighters.

I see no disadvantages of this system versus the current proposal.

There is absolutely nothing stopping you from committing Capitals and Super Capitals to a fight in FozzieSov. Of course fighting ships and fighting structures is a much different risk, and most folks will shy away from fielding their big toys against things that will shoot back and actually try to kill them.

I'll post this hear since I already mentioned it in the wormhole forums. how (if at all) are wh dwellers supposed to defend their structures if they can all be reinforced in the minimal time since we cannot claim sov? Wh dwellers aren't going to stick around if every structure can be re'fed in only 10 minutes.

If you cannot be bothered to come attack my 2 billion ISK Dreadnoughts, who are stuck in siege mode and cannot run away at all, then perhaps you don't deserve to hold your space? See what I did there?

When people commit Dreadnoughts, they are throwing down a 2B ISK asset and saying, "come at me, bro." Fighting structures with Dreadnoughts requires way more balls than bringing your kiting fleet and orbiting some structure while waiting to see what shows up (and burning off grid if you cannot handle it).

You know full and well that unless I am part of a blob the size of CFC, there is no way I am able to field the five fleets of capital ships which would be required to successfully employ capitals in Trollsov. Not to mention the 400% time increase for using capitals. So, no, capitals don't have a sensible role in Trollsov.

There is absolutely nothing stopping you from committing Capitals and Super Capitals to a fight in FozzieSov. Of course fighting ships and fighting structures is a much different risk, and most folks will shy away from fielding their big toys against things that will shoot back and actually try to kill them.

...the general consensus seems to be that an Interceptor is going to be at only slightly more risk of being blown up harassing Sov than it is sitting in station in Jita...

Having a Random 4 hour window is a poor design, because it allows a group of people to essentially force people to stand around with their thumb in their ass doing nothing for 4 hours (if they choose to defend an asset). As I said earlier time is the most valuable commodity in the game, and having an unadjustable 4 hour window where nothing at all could happen is bad. Who wants to sit around for 4 hours doing nothing. No one.

Forgive me for not reading 98 pages. Just a quick question: Can I pop out of a wh and use the entosis hoo haw to mess w/ a random systems sov in the 24 hour window that said wh connection exists?

Yes you would be able to do that.

and that is why this new system will force people to LIVE and work on the systems they really want to keep.