I think the fact that your alliance can throw hundreds of extremely well equiped supers and titans into a fight is more then enough evidence that nullsec makes plenty of isk. Remember how CCP swore that titans cost so much that only the biggest alliances would be able to field a few? I believe I remember similar statements about super carriers when they were introduced. Seems nullsec income far surpassed even CCP's expectations.


I was talking about recruitment banners/images not renter stuff.

I've done the renter thing and I've done the big alliance thing. I made more personal isk as a renter but the SRP, intel channels, and such from the big alliance thing certainly made up for the loss in income relative to renting.

as said why buff everything else when you can sort the root of the problem

Incursions brought me back into the game.

High degree of respect for all entities and fcs who run these groups.

They don't ask for full API
They don't ask for 200mill sp + two dread alts
They even have well written fleet doctrines and rookie how tos!

Incursions and the people who organize them are far more useful in the universe than you appear to be able to appreciate.

Huge No to whatever OP is asking / bothered by

Huge round of applause for incursion groups for their inclusive model.

It works, it's not how null sec go about their business and that's bothering you is how your post reads.

You sound like a holy person bashing everyone who walks by with your holy book. Aka a bit of a knob

I have to admit that I haven't read the entire thread so what I am about to say may have been said before.

CCP should look at the time it takes Concord to respond or just turn off concord in incursions. That would allow gankers to gank and add risk to the equation.

Or drastically drop their payouts not the point of killing them but to a more balanced level compared to other highsec activities.

Highsec Incursions payout WAY too much for the risk and time you take.

Many people run incursions to plex accounts log out for the month.

Theres little to no incentive to do anything else in the game once you start running incursions, you wont stop, and you will not do anything else other than your casual pvp on a random alt when the opportunity arises.

Incursions are a decease, they are killing/killed a major part of the game, took the need of doing and trying different things to make isks.

Hell theres not even a reason to leave highsec anymore, whats the incentive of null when you can make as much or even more in the safety of highsec?


Please put an end to incursions, its been far too long already, sanshas must go.


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1-Ganking / Interfere with incursioners

Incursions are 5 years old, there is nothing new about them that someone hasn't thought of and tried in the past to successfully gank incursioners and come out in profit. NO, you won't. NO, there isn't a secret way. Or else there would be plenty of other people doing it already, just think about it, you're not Einstein.

Example most recent fail attempt, 40 machariels with smart bombs, not even 1 incursioners dead, gankers lost billions to concord.
Incursioners laughed at you on comms.

2-Make more isks in null / (Insert random wormhole class here)

NO, no you don't.
Let's just leave it like that.
Null and especially wormholes arent nearly as consistent as incursions.
And let's not talk about all the effort, resources and logistics needed, and not mention having to manage capitals in some cases.
Oh and the risk.. I don't even wanna go there.

3-Risk being bling ships

What risk? The fact that you are watching titanic and crying about it and forget to broadcast for shields on time?

Also ships aren't as blingy as they once were. People found the sweet spot and most efficient fits in terms of cost/performance nowadays, and to be honest most of them don't even bother with some of the more expensive modules.

4-Station trading

Been there, done that.
NO you don't make billions upon billions, don't let people fool you with stories.
You need a LOT of effort and work and .01 PvP + being lucky enough there aren't too many traders online to PvP against you.
And if the same quantity of people that run incursions would station trade then you wouldn't even make a penny.
Also it is WAY too much inconsistent ... And yet STILL you won't make more than incursions on your best day.

I'd personally like to see MORE incursions with BIGGER enemy fleets that are harder to kill for more giant EPIC SPACE BATTLES!!!!

Incursions brought me back into the game.

High degree of respect for all entities and fcs who run these groups.

They don't ask for full API
They don't ask for 200mill sp + two dread alts
They even have well written fleet doctrines and rookie how tos!

Incursions and the people who organize them are far more useful in the universe than you appear to be able to appreciate.

Huge No to whatever OP is asking / bothered by

Huge round of applause for incursion groups for their inclusive model.

Sure you can run plexes and maybe hit a jackpot and get a bil or so in loots, or you could only get the overseer effects

I just don't understand how anyone can say nullsec = more ISK than incursions. You must run with some awful incursion fleets.

Given 1 character, 1 account:

Incursion HQs can net you up to 250m per hour in ISK payout, though it's usually more like 120m average for me. + Concord LP at minimum 1k ISK/LP.

Nullsec running anomolies has been for me about 22m * 3 ticks per hour = 66m usually minus 10% corp tax so 59m or so per hour. +RISK

Sure you can run plexes and maybe hit a jackpot and get a bil or so in loots, or you could only get the overseer effects... but you have to first get an escalation or spend loads of time scanning.


And yes, null-sec is lots and lots of ISK for a large entity because of moongoo, but the typical line member does not see that ISK. Fountain moons are like 17bil gross ISK per day: Fountain Moons

I agree, incursions make too much money, for too little risk. Null-sec needs an income boost for the average joe, IMO. Perhaps there should be 10-40man anomolies in null that net about the same as incursions, and require all indexes to be 5 before they spawn, or something. Null incursions are just meh.

hey you didnt mention the silly jumps through nullsec in a 1.7bil marauder to do the 10/10 escalations

Null and especially wormholes arent nearly as consistent as incursions.

And yes, null-sec is lots and lots of ISK for a large entity because of moongoo, but the typical line member does not see that ISK. Fountain moons are like 17bil gross ISK per day: Fountain Moons

I just don't understand how anyone can say nullsec = more ISK than incursions. You must run with some awful incursion fleets.

Given 1 character, 1 account:

Incursion HQs can net you up to 250m per hour in ISK payout, though it's usually more like 120m average for me. + Concord LP at minimum 1k ISK/LP.

Nullsec running anomolies has been for me about 22m * 3 ticks per hour = 66m usually minus 10% corp tax so 59m or so per hour. +RISK

Sure you can run plexes and maybe hit a jackpot and get a bil or so in loots, or you could only get the overseer effects... but you have to first get an escalation or spend loads of time scanning.


And yes, null-sec is lots and lots of ISK for a large entity because of moongoo, but the typical line member does not see that ISK. Fountain moons are like 17bil gross ISK per day: Fountain Moons

I agree, incursions make too much money, for too little risk. Null-sec needs an income boost for the average joe, IMO. Perhaps there should be 10-40man anomolies in null that net about the same as incursions, and require all indexes to be 5 before they spawn, or something. Null incursions are just meh.

Reading this thread, it seems either the null dwellers posting suck, or are underrating the income. I never lived there for an extended period and I never made huge ISK from it, so I'm no expert. I know that a couple years ago the Null ratting bots were making as much as Incursion runners hands down. CCP has the confiscated PLEX to prove it.

80% of bots are found in highsec. Bots haven't been a thing in null for at least 7 years now and they have never pulled in incursion level isk.

What about closing the Mom ship farming? Where they keep it alive and not kill it to farm more.

What if it like had a set time limit you either had to kill it or it left across new eden somewhere else?

Rather than nerf high sec incursions make null sec incursion between all the pirate factions. Make the Null/SOV corps have to have standings with the pirate corps to reduce incursion effects and give them plenty of bounty isk. That's what the null bears want right ?More lucrative PVE? There you go null bear enjoy!

What?

So Serpentis would start an incursion in space they are already heavily operating in? Or Gurista, etc.?

Why would they need to launch an incursion in space they are already effectively covering?

The way it is laid out, it makes very little sense. What's wrong with control/influence as the mechanism for calculating the incursion effects and how would anyone develop good standing with the group they are constantly shooting?

I live in fountain now and i dont make billions a week risk free like hisec incursioners. It aint fair.


What about closing the Mom ship farming? Where they keep it alive and not kill it to farm more.
What if it like had a set time limit you either had to kill it or it left across new eden somewhere else?

Thats gotta make incursions less of an easy iskfarm and makes sense?

Can we agree?

just because you don't like something in eve, doesn't mean you have to hate on it.

some people need to realize that subjective thoughts are not facts, and that arguing subjective thoughts is primitive.

huh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX2Tn50UYFw move ahead to 30:40 or so

Looks like bots are a thing in all parts of space.

Juss sayan

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It used to be the other way around with a raven in almost every null systems belt ratting. Today the forge and lonetrek are where you find the bulk of the bots and its been like that for the last 5-7 years now, as your link shows.