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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
1069
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Posted - 2015.06.16 02:35:21 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:RavenPaine wrote:Aza Ebanu wrote:Its strange how in this thread no one can give good reasons to fly a battleship. It dissolves into a bunch of personal attack. They ask for proof, I tell them to look at klllboards. They ask for reasons, I tell them because smaller ships have a game designed advantage. To top it all off, most of them fly battleships sometimes for PVE.
All my original points stand. It's already been established that your original points are lies, ignorance, and hogwash. You are not qualified to give advice on ships and fittings. Yeah what part? Who established it? Are you the grand EVE Online "qualifier" now? Get over yourself. Learn to be more objective and stay on topic.
Your very first sentence states that battleships are the most risk to fly. That is a lie. (Just 1 of many)
Every poster who has posted battleship experience has established that you are ignorant to the qualities of battleships.
Your killboard confirms it.
I'm not the grand EVE qualifier. But I can certainly say that YOU are NOT qualified.
I'm not really all about myself. I am 100% objective on all ships in EVE.
The fact that you are not qualified IS on topic.
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Ortilus Orsides
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.06.16 03:35:11 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Aza Ebanu wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Aza Ebanu wrote:
Is a constant excuse for poor game design. the inverse works in this case too. What if the players in cruisers aren't that good? What if the players in cruisers are elite and they still kill battleships? The problem with this thinking is that it makes assumptions. It is clear for players who understand EVE game mechanics that battleships are liabilities, that's why most players fly some sort of medium hull. Battleships are not the kings of tanking , and they are not the best damage dealers in the game. In order to deal full damage, they have to have support, or be going up against a pilot who is careless. Battleships are designed to fail.
The difference here is that I had the openness and ability to understand why I was wrong back then. That you don't demonstrates some of the things a few dozen people have said about you in this thread you made. You can get mad at me for saying that, and if that makes you feel better good, but you are deluding yourself. Battleships are not solopwnmobiles for a reason. You can solo with them, but only if you are actually good at the game There are very good reasons why different ship classes are good for different things cruisers are useful, but so at Battleships in the right circumstances... You seem to want some kind of "I Win" button and that's wrong. A question that I have that you haven't mentioned yet is why you worry about what other people are doing? If everyone thought like you, those people in those videos many of us have linked (that you dismissed) wouldn't be doing incredible things in battleships. Hell, if Baltec though like you there'd have been no "Baltec Fleet" which was a thing of beauty to behold. I think you just trying to compensate for you personal inability here. As usual, not a single objective point in you entire post. Those are some mighty powerful ego defense mechanisms you have there, but the problem with that is they don't serve you in the long run. Learning the flaws in your thinking (like I did then, and as I continue to do) stings at 1st but it makes you stronger, but doing what you are doing hurts down the road. Either way, it's your life, but damn man. Just damn.
I told ya.... Behold the power of the Arch Troll. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1248
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Posted - 2015.06.16 03:37:23 -
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Good Reasons to fly BS given:
Wormhole PvE and PvP. Low Sec Pve and PvP. Nullsec PvE and PvP. Missions and wars in hisec. Incursions. Killboards will verify that the BS is good for the PvP end. Wallets will verify that they take care of business in PvE. Lots of ships have lots of roles. Fly intelligently.
@ Jenn, I had this...
https://www.c64-wiki.de/index.php/BattleTech_%E2%80%93_The_Crescent_Hawk%27s_Inception
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1965
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Posted - 2015.06.16 04:10:10 -
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Sooo much time spent on Crescent Hawk Inception.
I could swear I have a DOSbox version of it somewhere.
Mech Commander Gold was another fun one.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
168
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Posted - 2015.06.16 04:29:34 -
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RavenPaine wrote:
Your very first sentence states that battleships are the most risk to fly. That is a lie. (Just 1 of many)
Some objective gameplay reasons:
1. least likely to survive a gatecamp
2. Take full damage in fleets which makes them useless concerning tank
RavenPaine wrote:
Every poster who has posted battleship experience has established that you are ignorant to the qualities of battleships.
Your killboard confirms it.
this is not my only character and, I don't get my jollies by posting to some 3rd party site about my video game activities.
RavenPaine wrote:
I'm not the grand EVE qualifier. But I can certainly say that YOU are NOT qualified.
Please! You are worse off than everyone else because, you're too close minded to listen to truth.
RavenPaine wrote:
I'm not really all about myself. I am 100% objective on all ships in EVE.
The fact that you are not qualified IS on topic.
Just like I said before, you've got nothing to argue with. I fear you are getting too emotional to continue peacefully. So this is my last response to your comments. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
9709
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Posted - 2015.06.16 04:43:54 -
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ftfy
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2015.06.16 05:17:43 -
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i feel compelled to train into battleships!
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2015.06.16 06:13:54 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:i feel compelled to train into battleships!
The Rattlesnake is king of T1 BSs. Can do it all, PVEing, PVPing, Baiting, Ratting, Anoms, and even DEDs.
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
1071
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Posted - 2015.06.16 07:02:14 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:RavenPaine wrote:
Your very first sentence states that battleships are the most risk to fly. That is a lie. (Just 1 of many)
Some objective gameplay reasons: 1. least likely to survive a gatecamp 2. Take full damage in fleets which makes them useless concerning tank RavenPaine wrote:
Every poster who has posted battleship experience has established that you are ignorant to the qualities of battleships.
Your killboard confirms it.
this is not my only character and, I don't get my jollies by posting to some 3rd party site about my video game activities. RavenPaine wrote:
I'm not the grand EVE qualifier. But I can certainly say that YOU are NOT qualified.
Please! You are worse off than everyone else because, you're too close minded to listen to truth. RavenPaine wrote:
I'm not really all about myself. I am 100% objective on all ships in EVE.
The fact that you are not qualified IS on topic.
Just like I said before, you've got nothing to argue with. I fear you are getting too emotional to continue peacefully. So this is my last response to your comments.
Most likely to survive a gate camp.... That's how bait works silly.
Taking full damage is the objective sometimes. It keeps the prey from jumping the gate.
Battleclinic gets your killmails auto-posted from eve. I know you have other characters.. every subscription gets 3 characters.
I'm worse than everyone else because I call your bullshit? Blunt, I admit, but not close minded.
You are the guy with the blinders on. You are the guy that ignores video proof of achievement. VIDEO. PROOF. A pretty powerful tool that you seem to dismiss at will. Organizations like the FBI and CIA generally take video proof very seriously.
I have another character too. Between the two of them I have about 600 BS kills. That is plenty to argue with.
And you misjudge my emotions. This stuff makes my day. It's fun to pick you apart. |
Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
120
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Posted - 2015.06.16 07:31:55 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:
2. Take full damage in fleets which makes them useless concerning tank
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cruisers vs cruisers, if your fleet isn't applying full damage on other cruisers you clearly brought the wrong tool or your FC ****** up |
NightmareX
Lakagigar
611
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Posted - 2015.06.16 10:47:58 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:1. least likely to survive a gatecamp
2. Take full damage in fleets which makes them useless concerning tank
So in other words, carriers, dreads, super carriers and titans are also useless over Battleships then since they also takes full damage in fleet from smaller ships?
Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:
1: Asteroid Madness
2: Clash of the Empires
3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
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Portiko
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2015.06.16 11:10:43 -
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If I can give my take on BS balance, I feel the meta could be fleshed out a bit by buffing BSes a great deal. They should be given 2xEHP and 2-3xDPS. This will make them extremely OP and also greatly increase the EHP of the blob, however, the EHP of the blob is nerfed due to the huge DPS buffs BSes receive (i.e greater BS DPS = things die faster). BSes basically become mini-dreads and as such should be removed from highsec. BCs should be rebalanced to reflect something more similar to the current state of BSes, with the class fleshed out as a whole to include pirate BCs and a wider line-up of T2 options for BCs. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2015.06.16 11:16:30 -
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Azu, you're a 2011 toon, 2 years older than myself so tell me, On your KB how come your ships aren't at least T2 fitted?
Why don't you fit a web and a heavy neut on your BSs you intend to pvp in?
How come you can't fly T2 ships?
Are BSs the only ships you trained for?
When you engage in PVP, How do you set up and pick your fights and where? |
Blackfeathers
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2015.06.16 11:18:29 -
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It's ok. He knows what he's doing.
He's getting more and more overt.
Is it too early to cite Godwin's Law yet? Is that when this thread stops OP? |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2015.06.16 12:32:30 -
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Blackfeathers wrote:It's ok. He knows what he's doing.
He's getting more and more overt.
Is it too early to cite Godwin's Law yet? Is that when this thread stops OP?
Well the ones he can't answer, he ignores.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation
That Escalated Quickly.
776
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Posted - 2015.06.16 12:40:10 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:Some objective gameplay reasons:
1. More likely to survive a gatecamp than a cruiser
fixed that for ya bud
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1106
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Posted - 2015.06.16 12:44:12 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Blackfeathers wrote:It's ok. He knows what he's doing.
He's getting more and more overt.
Is it too early to cite Godwin's Law yet? Is that when this thread stops OP? Well the ones he can't answer, he ignores.
But battleships have bigger engines, how come they cannot kite frigates. And they also on't rep as fast as frigates, frigate reps rep each 3seconds, BS reps take 10seconds. Battleships are completely useless. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1970
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Posted - 2015.06.16 12:54:08 -
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OP has a mad ego tank and will not waver, no matter how much evidence to the contrary is presented to him.
No matter how many different sources it originates from.
No matter what.
This thread is now about MechWarrior and it's various subgames.
Discussion of the merits of bacon is also acceptable.
While somewhat off topic, further videos of battleships stomping fleets solo are also quite welcome.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Valkin Mordirc
1114
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Posted - 2015.06.16 13:11:28 -
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The last mech game I played was Front Mission 3 on the PS2. Such a great game.
Any suggest on current gen Mech games? Because I would mind trying one out. 
#DeleteTheWeak
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Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
121
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Posted - 2015.06.16 13:11:37 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Azu, you're a 2011 toon, 2 years older than myself so tell me, On your KB how come your ships aren't at least T2 fitted?
well that doesnt' mean much really, my char is 2 years something old but i got barely more than a year of training, did a single month after free trial then had to quit and came back a lot of time later xD |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1971
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Posted - 2015.06.16 13:33:07 -
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and that ricochets us back to player knows vs character sp, but that's whole different can of worms.
Valkin, I haven't kept up on the mech games lately so I don't have much good info in that dept. Last one I tried was 'mech assault' or some other idiocy like that for the xbox many years ago. It gave me the sads. I like explosions as much as anyone else, but I also like torso twists and the ability to move the targeting reticule from center screen, so MW3/4? I don't recall really was a turnoff for me.
Any really decent mech game requires mech customization though. Without that it's just a shooter with really big hardware.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11419
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Posted - 2015.06.16 14:47:34 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:OP has a mad ego tank and will not waver, no matter how much evidence to the contrary is presented to him.
No matter how many different sources it originates from.
No matter what.
There is a name for that. 
Quote:
This thread is now about MechWarrior and it's various subgames.
Discussion of the merits of bacon is also acceptable.
While somewhat off topic, further videos of battleships stomping fleets solo are also quite welcome.
EDIT: I've always been fond of the Jenner personally, as I started with the tabletop game playing with Solaris VII arena rules with a couple of nerds I worked with. Found that the all laser variant was great for harassing fire while moving, and could deliver a pretty punishing alpha strike. However, it courted shutdown when using it's alpha unless standing in water. Light mechs, while fragile, are a heck of a lot of fun to play.
I've always been a medium mech guy (though I also love heavies like the Crusader, Rifleman, Thunderbolt and Warhammer, 3025 ear battletech 4 LIFE lol). Players of Battletech tended to laugh at me, but my favorite was the Vanilla Wolverine. It just worked lol.
In MW4 i mostly pilots Buishwackers, Dragons and Lokis, with the odd Thanatos for craps and giggles lol. Maybe I've outgrown it, I can't really seem to get into MWO. |
Freya Sertan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
172
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Posted - 2015.06.16 14:52:47 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:The last mech game I played was Front Mission 3 on the PS2. Such a great game. Any suggest on current gen Mech games? Because I would mind trying one out.
FM3 was brilliant. Love love love that series. |
Miss Moist
I is a Ferret
1
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Posted - 2015.06.16 17:20:22 -
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Like Jenn aSide said, battleship balance isn't that bad, it just has a much higher skill requirement than most other ships which is quite a good thing really. Gives players something to aim for in the long term.
The pirate faction ships are all pretty good with much more tank and DPS than others plus a trait of some sort that helps overcome a BSs biggest disadvantages (mobility and damage application) like the Vindis webs or the Machs speed.
T1 BSs are not that bad either with the Typhoon, Dominix, Armageddon and Raven all seeing use along with anything else that can do drones, neutralizers and rapid heavies. Armor tanking and having mid slots for utility/prop/tackle helps allot for these ships as well. Navy faction variants are usually just beefed up versions of those.
It would be nice if some of the slower purely turret based ships like the Rokh, Abaddon, Maelstrom and the Apocalipse got a bit of a look at though. A few more utility mids/highs maybe. |
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
169
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Posted - 2015.06.16 18:01:37 -
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Doctor Knuckles wrote:Aza Ebanu wrote:
2. Take full damage in fleets which makes them useless concerning tank
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cruisers vs cruisers, if your fleet isn't applying full damage on other cruisers you clearly brought the wrong tool or your FC ****** up
True, but the point still stands that smaller ships have the ability to avoid damage better than battleships. In a fleet, it is significant because you can not HP tank tank much damage. It is the way the game is designed. |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2015.06.17 01:05:33 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:i feel compelled to train into battleships! The Rattlesnake is king of T1 BSs. Can do it all, PVEing, PVPing, Baiting, Ratting, Anoms, and even DEDs.
What if I told you......
I feel compelled to train into a Redeemer?
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2015.06.17 02:54:37 -
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Miss Moist wrote:Like Jenn aSide said, battleship balance isn't that bad, it just has a much higher skill requirement than most other ships which is quite a good thing really. Gives players something to aim for in the long term.
The pirate faction ships are all pretty good with much more tank and DPS than others plus a trait of some sort that helps overcome a BSs biggest disadvantages (mobility and damage application) like the Vindis webs or the Machs speed.
T1 BSs are not that bad either with the Typhoon, Dominix, Armageddon and Raven all seeing use along with anything else that can do drones, neutralizers and rapid heavies. Armor tanking and having mid slots for utility/prop/tackle helps allot for these ships as well. Navy faction variants are usually just beefed up versions of those.
It would be nice if some of the slower purely turret based ships like the Rokh, Abaddon, Maelstrom and the Apocalipse got a bit of a look at though. A few more utility mids/highs maybe.
Or in case of the Baddon, lots more cap, I mean a lot more.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1209
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Posted - 2015.06.17 04:58:13 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:Doctor Knuckles wrote:Aza Ebanu wrote:
2. Take full damage in fleets which makes them useless concerning tank
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cruisers vs cruisers, if your fleet isn't applying full damage on other cruisers you clearly brought the wrong tool or your FC ****** up True, but the point still stands that smaller ships have the ability to avoid damage better than battleships. In a fleet, it is significant because you can not HP tank tank much damage. It is the way the game is designed.
Smaller ships do less damage, and get more avoidance, and in turn BS get more damage and more hp. Mind blowing I know 
and with Front Mission I only played the SNES version on roms, and at one point I wiped out my friend's saved data and still feel like an ass about it 10+ years later. One friend got it for PS2 or something and said it just wasn't the same.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Icarius
The Wings of Maak
28
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Posted - 2015.06.17 14:21:57 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:Its strange how in this thread no one can give good reasons to fly a battleship. It dissolves into a bunch of personal attack. They ask for proof, I tell them to look at klllboards. They ask for reasons, I tell them because smaller ships have a game designed advantage. To top it all off, most of them fly battleships sometimes for PVE.
All my original points stand.
I am alone
I need a ship
I have to tank a full spawn of navy faction npcs while i am killng someone in ... whatever you want except capitals.
I have to tank 900dps from the navy faction, dual damp, dual web, dual heavy neutras + the dps of my victim. Average time on battlefield is 1 minute.
I want to survive too, it s not a suicide
Can you help me? (you are not allowed to check killboards)
thx |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
1073
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Posted - 2015.06.17 17:23:15 -
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Icarius wrote:Aza Ebanu wrote:Its strange how in this thread no one can give good reasons to fly a battleship. It dissolves into a bunch of personal attack. They ask for proof, I tell them to look at klllboards. They ask for reasons, I tell them because smaller ships have a game designed advantage. To top it all off, most of them fly battleships sometimes for PVE.
All my original points stand. I am alone I need a ship I have to tank a full spawn of navy faction npcs while i am killng someone in ... whatever you want except capitals. I have to tank 900dps from the navy faction, dual damp, dual web, dual heavy neutras + the dps of my victim. Average time on battlefield is 1 minute. I want to survive too, it s not a suicide Can you help me? (you are not allowed to check killboards) thx
You may need time to de-agress so you can dock or jump a gate too.
I would recommend a.. (thinking for .5 seconds) Battleship!!
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