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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
1061
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Posted - 2015.06.13 06:01:00 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:NightmareX wrote:Aza Ebanu wrote:Yes and I'd wager most of you PVP successes don't include you piloting Battleships. Give everyone a moment to check out your killboard. See how many kills you earned in the mighty T1 battleship. We aren't swinging our killboard e-peens here. We are talking about how all ships have advantages over each others in many things. Yes, Cruisers and Battlecruisers have some advantages over Battleships. But if you think Battleships doesn't have advantages over smaller ships, i'm sorry to say it but you have not understood EVE Online as far as i'm concerned. Not any that truly factor into a large part of EVE Online gameplay, they don't. I understand EVE Online very well. Battleships are at the top of damage and tank, but the design of the game makes being in a larger hull susceptible to smaller ships. It is well documented in your own killboards that battleships stand little chance of surviving against smaller ships. Q. Why would folks like you and Chainsaw Plankton come to my thread to tell me I am wrong? A. These folks are heavily invested in battleships. They like to manufacture them and sell them so they get to buy their T2/T3 cruisers. Why would people sing praises of battleships and they are their least flown ship?
Ehh... Chainsaw has only 27 losses his whole career, 16 of them are BS hulls. He has 400 kills sitting in Amarr BS and another 50 or so in other race BS. 450/16 makes him very qualified to state the facts of his experience.
NightmareX I have known of and seen since my start in EVE. He plays for PvP and has probably tried flying every ship in the game that he thought was viable. Nearly a thousand kills, with 600 of them from BS hulls. Less than 40 losses. He is also very qualified to state facts from his experience in EVE.
You have 21 fights total, and 2 confirmed kills. 2/21 says to me that you aren't qualified to make ANY PvP assumptions, or give any advice on any ship class. For you to ignore or dismiss comments that guys like this give is either severe learning issues or trolling.
I feel like this is a 15 page troll, and has no relevant information to add to the forums. A lock seems to be the best option at this point.
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Aza Ebanu
HC - Serenity
98
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Posted - 2015.06.13 06:15:05 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Aza Ebanu wrote:NightmareX wrote:Aza Ebanu wrote:Yes and I'd wager most of you PVP successes don't include you piloting Battleships. Give everyone a moment to check out your killboard. See how many kills you earned in the mighty T1 battleship. We aren't swinging our killboard e-peens here. We are talking about how all ships have advantages over each others in many things. Yes, Cruisers and Battlecruisers have some advantages over Battleships. But if you think Battleships doesn't have advantages over smaller ships, i'm sorry to say it but you have not understood EVE Online as far as i'm concerned. Not any that truly factor into a large part of EVE Online gameplay, they don't. I understand EVE Online very well. Battleships are at the top of damage and tank, but the design of the game makes being in a larger hull susceptible to smaller ships. It is well documented in your own killboards that battleships stand little chance of surviving against smaller ships. Q. Why would folks like you and Chainsaw Plankton come to my thread to tell me I am wrong? A. These folks are heavily invested in battleships. They like to manufacture them and sell them so they get to buy their T2/T3 cruisers. Why would people sing praises of battleships and they are their least flown ship? Ehh... Chainsaw has only 27 losses his whole career, 16 of them are BS hulls. He has 400 kills sitting in Amarr BS and another 50 or so in other race BS. 450/16 makes him very qualified to state the facts of his experience. NightmareX I have known of and seen since my start in EVE. He plays for PvP and has probably tried flying every ship in the game that he thought was viable. Nearly a thousand kills, with 600 of them from BS hulls. Less than 40 losses. He is also very qualified to state facts from his experience in EVE. You have 21 fights total, and 2 confirmed kills. 2/21 says to me that you aren't qualified to make ANY PvP assumptions, or give any advice on any ship class. For you to ignore or dismiss comments that guys like this give is either severe learning issues or trolling. I feel like this is a 15 page troll, and has no relevant information to add to the forums. A lock seems to be the best option at this point. I appreciate your opinion and I appreciate your affinity for mathematics. I don't count blobs as successful PVP especially when you are in a battleeship. It is the easiest/safest form of EVE gameplay there is, and is worse than one of those no risk MMOs. Wasn't it you who said something about a "kitchen sink" fleet? No wonder, you support blob gameplay as well. Its probably why you got miffed when the battleships were outnumbered by T3s.
Battleships have some flaws when they must be flown in blobs. |
Valkin Mordirc
1107
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Posted - 2015.06.13 06:43:15 -
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The more you run your mouth Aza, the more people are going to see your lack of understanding.
So keep arguing your idiotic point. Everytime you post. The more people will see that you have no idea what you are talking about, the more you post, the more people will see that you don't understand a damned thing about how the mechanics work and all you are is a small whining **** beating his hands on the floor in a fit not because you CAN'T understand, because I fully believe you have the capability of being a decent player in EVE. It's because you REFUSE to listen to logic, from people who are actively telling you that your idea is wrong, by actively doing what you say is impossible day by day.
Basically your an idiot. And you are the only one to blame for being an idiot. Congratz lol.
#DeleteTheWeak
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
1061
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Posted - 2015.06.13 06:47:20 -
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'MMO' is the key label here. EVE's major concept revolves around corporation structures that join alliance structures. Fleets are the direct, and intended result from that. Well organized fleets with a bunch of good pilots is some of the best fun in all of eve.
A solo battleship has just as much chance of survival as a solo Tengu or a solo Merlin or a solo *anything else*. If a solo pilots starts jumping gates in lowsec or null, he could have any number of possible engagements. He could get blobbed though , and it wouldn't matter what ship he was in. But he could run into 3 bc pilots and kill them all. A battleship would give him the best chance to do that.
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Aza Ebanu
HC - Serenity
99
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Posted - 2015.06.13 07:12:19 -
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RavenPaine wrote:'MMO' is the key label here. EVE's major concept revolves around corporation structures that join alliance structures. Fleets are the direct, and intended result from that. Well organized fleets with a bunch of good pilots is some of the best fun in all of eve.
A solo battleship has just as much chance of survival as a solo Tengu or a solo Merlin or a solo *anything else*. If a solo pilots starts jumping gates in lowsec or null, he could have any number of possible engagements. He could get blobbed though , and it wouldn't matter what ship he was in. But he could run into 3 bc pilots and kill them all. A battleship would give him the best chance to do that.
So... you are confessing that to win EVE, it is about having the bigger blob? If so, you are validating my point that players should find something else to train for. If it doesn't matter too much what you bring to the blob, why waste the time and isk to field a battleship when a BC will do just as well?
Just trying to help people realize the content eventuality is blobs. Thank you for being sharp enough to bring these facts out |
Valkin Mordirc
1108
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Posted - 2015.06.13 07:14:52 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:RavenPaine wrote:'MMO' is the key label here. EVE's major concept revolves around corporation structures that join alliance structures. Fleets are the direct, and intended result from that. Well organized fleets with a bunch of good pilots is some of the best fun in all of eve.
A solo battleship has just as much chance of survival as a solo Tengu or a solo Merlin or a solo *anything else*. If a solo pilots starts jumping gates in lowsec or null, he could have any number of possible engagements. He could get blobbed though , and it wouldn't matter what ship he was in. But he could run into 3 bc pilots and kill them all. A battleship would give him the best chance to do that.
So... you are confessing that to win EVE, it is about having the bigger blob? If so, you are validating my point that players should find something else to train for. If it doesn't matter too much what you bring to the blob, why waste the time and isk to field a battleship when a BC will do just as well? Just trying to help people realize the content eventuality is blobs. Thank you for being sharp enough to bring these facts out
lolwat?
The **** game have you been playing not to understand that Blobs are a thing?
Also.
I thought you said you didn't want Battleships to be ubersolo ships?
****. XD
#DeleteTheWeak
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NightmareX
Lakagigar
608
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Posted - 2015.06.13 07:24:09 -
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Not only did i use a Raven as my first real PVP Battleship in 2005, but i was actually part of the first Dreadnought kill in EVE's history aswell that was my first kill in a Battleship as you can see here: https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/-4640929/
Hell yeah, some advertisement of myself in a Battleship is needed sometimes .
Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:
1: Asteroid Madness
2: Clash of the Empires
3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
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Aza Ebanu
HC - Serenity
100
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Posted - 2015.06.13 07:35:23 -
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NightmareX wrote:Not only did i use a Raven as my first real PVP Battleship in 2005, but i was actually part of the first Dreadnought kill in EVE's history aswell that was my first kill in a Battleship as you can see here: https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/-4640929/Hell yeah, some advertisement of myself in a Battleship is needed sometimes . All readers, take a really good look at the fit on that Moros. Then look at how many NightmareX was fleeted with.
Next read this fit: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Moros
You can make your on judgement of NightmareX's battleship skills. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1931
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Posted - 2015.06.13 07:41:54 -
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Mostly here for the popcorn and the slow roasting of the OP. That and the kickass solo battleship pvp vids. Those things are gold.
I know it's unthinkable, but a simple 'okay, I was wrong' will likely stop the application of red hot pokers. Have it your way.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Valkin Mordirc
1108
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Posted - 2015.06.13 07:44:04 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Mostly here for the popcorn and the slow roasting of the OP. That and the kickass solo battleship pvp vids. Those things are gold.
I know it's unthinkable, but a simple 'okay, I was wrong' will likely stop the application of red hot pokers. Have it your way.
He's resorted to ignoring me.
It's wonderful xD
#DeleteTheWeak
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1932
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Posted - 2015.06.13 07:50:32 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:Mostly here for the popcorn and the slow roasting of the OP. That and the kickass solo battleship pvp vids. Those things are gold.
I know it's unthinkable, but a simple 'okay, I was wrong' will likely stop the application of red hot pokers. Have it your way. He's resorted to ignoring me. It's wonderful xD
Is okay. You're not all that he's ignoring. Honestly, aside from CAM I didn't think that any Fox News correspondents played EVE. Learn something new every day.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1198
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Posted - 2015.06.13 08:04:26 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:baltec1 wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:z'kroh wrote:I want to fly Abaddon. And Sniper-Rokh. 253 km optimal Doesn't the Abaddon have serious cap issues? You're better off with the Hyperion with that massive tank. Baddon is one of the best bricks money can buy. Is it best fitted with reps or plates? What can it be used for? Solo? Bait? WHs? Ratting?
throw some plates up on that! decent damage and projection, and no one wants to primary it. I'd say it's more of a small/mid sized gang ship. I'd say people would expect it to be bait, so it doesn't work out well as bait. Cap can be an issue, helps to have some logi that can give you some, or bring cap boosters.
@ChainsawPlankto
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NightmareX
Lakagigar
608
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Posted - 2015.06.13 08:27:48 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:NightmareX wrote:Not only did i use a Raven as my first real PVP Battleship in 2005, but i was actually part of the first Dreadnought kill in EVE's history aswell that was my first kill in a Battleship as you can see here: https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/-4640929/Hell yeah, some advertisement of myself in a Battleship is needed sometimes . All readers, take a really good look at the fit on that Moros. Then look at how many NightmareX was fleeted with. Next read this fit: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Moros You can make your on judgement of NightmareX's battleship skills. You're not even old enough in EVE to realize that the fit you are seeing is not what the Moros had fitted. That killmail is so old that the killmail have been bugged on killboards through the years. It's missing 60% of the modules it had fitted on the Moros because of that.
Not only that, but did you see any less peoples on the first Titan killmail for example?
Nope, because there was a butt load of peoples on the first Titan kill.
We wasn't that many against that Moros (we was the whole 12 peoples where 9 out of that was Battleships) considering that we was fighting the biggest and most expensive ship at that time. So i think you need to wake up a little here.
Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:
1: Asteroid Madness
2: Clash of the Empires
3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1198
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Posted - 2015.06.13 08:37:29 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:Battleships have some flaws when they must be flown in blobs.
funny thing to say when the main killer of battleships, at least in my experience, is blobs of smaller ships. Vs a few smaller ships they are usually pretty easy to kill or fend off. Heavy neuts do bad things to most small ships.
Aza Ebanu wrote:NightmareX wrote:Not only did i use a Raven as my first real PVP Battleship in 2005, but i was actually part of the first Dreadnought kill in EVE's history aswell that was my first kill in a Battleship as you can see here: https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/-4640929/Hell yeah, some advertisement of myself in a Battleship is needed sometimes . All readers, take a really good look at the fit on that Moros. Then look at how many NightmareX was fleeted with. Next read this fit: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Moros You can make your on judgement of NightmareX's battleship skills.
do note that prior to late 2007 killmails only displayed the destroyed fittings, and from the items that do show up the fitting doesn't look to be out of the ordinary. And I'm not sure if rigs were in game in 2005. That and an out of siege moros used to do BS level damage with just its drones.
Valkin Mordirc wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:Mostly here for the popcorn and the slow roasting of the OP. That and the kickass solo battleship pvp vids. Those things are gold.
I know it's unthinkable, but a simple 'okay, I was wrong' will likely stop the application of red hot pokers. Have it your way. He's resorted to ignoring me. It's wonderful xD make a few good points and these people tend to do that.
And yea I do own 3 BS BPOs. but I did mention that I have pretty much never used them. and IMO the biggest value I have in them is that CCP changed their prices
my PVP is a bit dated. But it is almost all small gang or solo. battleships have always been strong. imo the biggest weakness is getting shut down by ewar and chewed up by a gang of smaller ships. one of the t3s biggest strength is the large buffer and high resists, that on there own don't really mean a lot, but in a blob where you are likely to have logi, become very strong.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2015.06.13 09:28:34 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:baltec1 wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:z'kroh wrote:I want to fly Abaddon. And Sniper-Rokh. 253 km optimal Doesn't the Abaddon have serious cap issues? You're better off with the Hyperion with that massive tank. Baddon is one of the best bricks money can buy. Is it best fitted with reps or plates? What can it be used for? Solo? Bait? WHs? Ratting? throw some plates up on that! decent damage and projection, and no one wants to primary it. I'd say it's more of a small/mid sized gang ship. I'd say people would expect it to be bait, so it doesn't work out well as bait. Cap can be an issue, helps to have some logi that can give you some, or bring cap boosters.
I have a alt that can fly the Baddon (training for the Paladin) so I was wondering if this ship had any use besides bait with that huge 192 ehp with dual 1600 steel plates + links.
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NightmareX
Lakagigar
608
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Posted - 2015.06.13 09:40:21 -
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And to make it even more funnier. I even was a part of the fight where we killed the most Motherships (yes they was called it that way back then) at the same time back in 2009 aswell. We killed 5 Motherships at the same time that time.
And the good thing here is that i even made a video from it .
Here is the video: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/NightmareX/EQI2-2MSKILLS.wmv
And here is the actual killmails: https://beta.eve-kill.net/character/1896934808/groupID/659/
Now, i didn't use a Battleship there, but a Vagabond. But the point here is that i actually have achieved quite alot through the years i have been doing PVP long time before you OP even started to play EVE. So i can back up myself with evidences on what i have been doing.
Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:
1: Asteroid Madness
2: Clash of the Empires
3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
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Blackfeathers
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
18
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Posted - 2015.06.13 10:14:31 -
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At 500mil isk total, show me a solo or even 2-3man gang that can take a dual or tri-rep Hyperion.
Show me a single ship that will reliably alpha enemy logistics off the field. (One shot - not 2 or 3 - if there's one logi, there will be more - so multiple shots can be repped through.) Need a Maelstrom or Tempest for this. Mega? I dunno - I haven't done much with those.
Show me a ship that can neut out an enemy triage carrier while being focused by an enemy fleet? Need a Geddon for this, and it contributes dps or ewar drones to the fight as well.
Then there are spider tank domis... find me three ships that will tank and dps as well as those for equitable cost and skillpoint investment.
You need a T1 Battleship to AoE jam a fleet and survive. Scorpion. The alternative is many cruisers or frigs.
You need Battleships to pipe-bomb a fleet. (Unless you are going to dump caps/supers to pipe-bomb - which is far more skill / cost intensive)
You need a battleship to hit at extreme (200-250km - Entosis sov, this may become a thing) range. Rokh etc.
Then, training Battleships gets you Pirate battleships, Marauders, Blops, Faction Battleships, and leads nicely into dreads. Training cruisers won't get you those - so you need to train BS.
Battleships wouldn't be the first thing I advise a newbro to train for - they are better off training for closer goals, and work their way towards the bigger things. I would definitely have battleships on the list of things to work to - ESPECIALLY if you are planning on Null / Wormhole life.
If you are in a position where moving isn't a big option (Entosis sov? No remote reps, so that buffer is gonna be important) Battleships will hold a field far easier than frigs, cruisers, dessies or BCs. And they'll do it cheaper.
If you have the guys - anything will work. If you have a limit on the number of guys you can bring, but need to fill many roles on the fly - Battleships have the utility to do this.
I'm not terribly experienced in pvp - but these are the things I would say Battleships are needed for.
Having said that, I would like to see Battleships warp a little faster - but rigs / macharial / lowslots / implants can fix this.
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1098
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Posted - 2015.06.13 11:10:52 -
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Blackfeathers wrote:At 500mil isk total, show me a solo or even 2-3man gang that can take a dual or tri-rep Hyperion.
Ashimmu and 1-2 Svipuls. You're welcome. Also works against marauders solo farming c4s. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16172
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Posted - 2015.06.13 12:02:07 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote: That was then. This is now. And as I said, I am not counting faction battleships in the argument. Everyone goes to faction battleship, or droneboat/Gallente. Bottom line is: there are more practical ships than battleships.
UPON FURTHER REVIEW: Looks like you are a blob legend. No wonder you don't believe there are any under powered ships. All you do is blob everything to death. My goodness!
This is now.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1935
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Posted - 2015.06.13 12:32:26 -
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And as usual, baltec1 delivers the proof via video... which is apparently absolutely not admissible due to being, well... proof. Also these vids made me want to pew with my ravens. Sadly, my alliance is all about the armor... so I'll just fit up a geddon instead.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16175
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Posted - 2015.06.13 12:34:32 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote: I don't count blobs as successful PVP especially when you are in a battleeship It is the easiest/safest form of EVE gameplay there is
Take a battleship on an assault frigate fleet vs tengus and live. I look forwards to seeing you try.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16175
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Posted - 2015.06.13 12:35:32 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:And as usual, baltec1 delivers the proof via video... which is apparently absolutely not admissible due to being, well... proof. Also these vids made me want to pew with my ravens. Sadly, my alliance is all about the armor... so I'll just fit up a geddon instead.
I tried an armour raven before, very funny anti-frig ship.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1936
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Posted - 2015.06.13 12:49:43 -
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baltec1 wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:And as usual, baltec1 delivers the proof via video... which is apparently absolutely not admissible due to being, well... proof. Also these vids made me want to pew with my ravens. Sadly, my alliance is all about the armor... so I'll just fit up a geddon instead. I tried an armour raven before, very funny anti-frig ship. That's just trollish. 'Shields are down! We got this! ....dafuq?!?'
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
313
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Posted - 2015.06.13 14:32:56 -
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Fairly certain this has become a troll. Pretty sure he knows he's wrong probably past page 2, but keeps moving the goal posts of his arguement to keep the conversation going.
Ive provided plenty of proof as well as others that ive killed everything smaller than a BS with my BS. This includes AF, 10mn T3d, cruisers, and BC. If i had a fight with a CS, im fairly sure i could win as well, except maybe against a sleip/claymore as those are extremely powerful ships when equipped with links/implants (most are).
I am a solo BS/BC pilot that flies in LS looking for fights, fighting blobs and generally being a pain in the ass to my targets. They cannot longpoint me to hold me. With current fit, i qm extremely hard to jam and probe down. They have to dedicate scram fit ships which i will quite literally vaporize in a few shots. Right now im on a 18 person kill streak and am 5th on top character on the KB for typhoon FI (was 3rd but week changed).
So the whole arguement about BS dying to smaller things everytime is wrong. When you fly your BS with t1 fittings, no skill, and even poorer understanding of game mechanics, you die. As OP has experienced.
Note: When i say solo, i mean full on solo. No scouts, no links, no blob hiding 1j out.
Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
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Tusker Crazinski
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
77
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Posted - 2015.06.13 14:38:33 -
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Blackfeathers wrote:At 500mil isk total, show me a solo or even 2-3man gang that can take a dual or tri-rep Hyperion.
hmm 3 tornados? |
Aza Ebanu
HC - Serenity
101
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Posted - 2015.06.13 18:40:19 -
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Let's face it. T1 battleships are not superior in any way with all the T2/T3 cruisers, battlecruisers, and frigates running around. The saddest part: a blob of smaller ships easily overwhelms them. Now blobs of medium sized hulls are the most effective, as numerous killboards demonstrate. I invite all naysayers to just look at the killboards. How many people are getting kills with battleships, vs cruiser gangs? There is a reason for this. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16185
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Posted - 2015.06.13 18:52:51 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:Let's face it. T1 battleships are not superior in any way with all the T2/T3 cruisers, battlecruisers, and frigates running around. The saddest part: a blob of smaller ships easily overwhelms them. Now blobs of medium sized hulls are the most effective, as numerous killboards demonstrate. I invite all naysayers to just look at the killboards. How many people are getting kills with battleships, vs cruiser gangs? There is a reason for this.
Yet we see videos of battleships crushing said smaller ships.
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Aza Ebanu
HC - Serenity
101
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Posted - 2015.06.13 18:53:54 -
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baltec1 wrote:Aza Ebanu wrote:Let's face it. T1 battleships are not superior in any way with all the T2/T3 cruisers, battlecruisers, and frigates running around. The saddest part: a blob of smaller ships easily overwhelms them. Now blobs of medium sized hulls are the most effective, as numerous killboards demonstrate. I invite all naysayers to just look at the killboards. How many people are getting kills with battleships, vs cruiser gangs? There is a reason for this. Yet we see videos of battleships crushing said smaller ships. Yet we see killboards of cruiser sized hulls all over the place. |
Valkin Mordirc
1110
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Posted - 2015.06.13 19:17:40 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:baltec1 wrote:Aza Ebanu wrote:Let's face it. T1 battleships are not superior in any way with all the T2/T3 cruisers, battlecruisers, and frigates running around. The saddest part: a blob of smaller ships easily overwhelms them. Now blobs of medium sized hulls are the most effective, as numerous killboards demonstrate. I invite all naysayers to just look at the killboards. How many people are getting kills with battleships, vs cruiser gangs? There is a reason for this. Yet we see videos of battleships crushing said smaller ships. Yet we see killboards of cruiser sized hulls all over the place.
HEY. CRUISERS ARE POPULAR! WTF I DIDN'T KNOW THIS. IT'S LIKE MY LIFE IS A LIE!
And for some reason I'm specced into Cruisers...Waaiiit.
Regardless 'snark' aside.
https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/47211135/
https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/47217304/
https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/47160968/
Literally the first page for Solo kills with Ravens shows kills on Cruiser,
And the only solo losses are PVE fitted Ravens.
Also! https://zkillboard.com/kill/47235026/
Sig tanking sure did save this dude. Died in two volleys.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Aza Ebanu
HC - Serenity
104
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Posted - 2015.06.13 20:18:54 -
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Flying in a battleship means wasted ISK and time. Cruiser blobs are where the action is. Most battleships do not/ can not survive them. Almost all null sec fleets use T2/T3 crusier doctrines. Just look at the killboards. |
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