Stitch Kaneland I'm surprised to see a person like you posting in a troll thread like this, cmon you know better. And stop trying to correct him everyone please. Everyone has their own way of doing things, there's no point in arguing with him about his way of viewing. Um does anyone know where the OP resides, I just like to drop in to say hi to em?

The point of arguing is tha tpeople that later find this thread will have 10-15pages of why/how battleships are usefull instead of a 2page whine about them being useless :P

Atm most already know that T1 BSs roles are mostly limited to PVE. If they want to know why then all they have to do is go to Stitch Kaneland's thread (it's in his signature)

As for PVP, MOST people that uses T1 BSs for pvp know HOW, WHEN, and WHERE to use them. This OP is one of the few who don't.

With the exception of the RHML platforms most turret based t1 BS's needs to be accompanied with other smaller ships to be successful in pvp, otherwise they'd get TDed, SDed, and ECMed like there's no tomorrow. But if it's solo with no ewar involvement then there is NO REASON for a competent BS pilot to lose to a smaller class ship.

3. They can tank a smaller ship for a while, but not really T2/T3crusiers/BCs

4. Slow warp speed means you can not chase anything down, so you have to be a victim there unless you are in a gang in which, you might want to fly something else to not slow everyone else down.

5. They can be used in fleet as intimidation, but wouldn't really be successful in a blob as it can not mitigate most of the damage like a smaller faster ship can.

There are a dozen videos in theis thread that shows your statement is not true.


I out run assault frigates in my battleships. Getting them to warp as fast as a cruiser is very easy but they are good enough right out of the box for hunting stuff down.


The fleet that burned test out of fountain. Also known as the flight of the 900 megathrons.

1. Videos = not what I'm asking for

2. I've heard that Gallente Battleships have advantages.

1. Videos = not what I'm asking for

1. Videos = not what I'm asking for

2. I've heard that Gallente Battleships have advantages.

Ifc its not what your looking for, it dont fit your theory...


Gallente Battleships being good is not the same as no other battleship being good, Gallente also have the best HAC and some realy good cruisers. Im not sure overlooking Gallente would hurt the overall Battleship:cruiser ratio

Matari have a ship that gets 11,300 alpha. Name a cruiser that can match that.

You're not sure? Why don't you try?
Take Gallente battleships from the game and tell me which T1 battleships are best(better than a T2/T3 cruiser/BC) in non PVE activity.

You have been shown video evidence of diffrent (not gallente) Battleship killing gangs of frig-BC (cant remember if there were any T3 in those vids)
Removing just Gallente BS from the game would seriously screw the battleship:cruiser ratio, but removing Gallente cruisers would likely screw the ratio about as much the other way.

I will again ask you to show an example of where cruiser (t2/t3) is more cost and SP effective than battleships, you keep forgetting to answer any direct question and just reset to your "BS are bad" default line.

Tell me what you absolutely need a battleship for?

What do yo you need Cruisers for, what do you need frigates for, what do you need destroyers for, what do you need battlecruisers for and what do you need dreadnought/carriers for?

Any single class of ships can be removed and some other ship would take its role (other than a few T2 ships)

Frigates: cost effective platforms capable of fulfilling a variety of roles

Destroyers : Destroyers are most effective as light escorts protecting larger ships from drones, frigates, and even advanced frigates

Cruisers: Just like frigates, cruisers can fulfill a variety of roles

Battlecruisers: purely attack craft able to engage a large variety of targets and having the hardiness to survive it all. Battlecruisers are just short of a battleship in tank, and even though they deal considerably less damage output than one, they are better at hitting smaller targets

Carriers: mobile repair facility as well first response capitals

Dread: Siege

These seem like what CCP intended.

Battleships: Can tank twice as much as the typical BC, and deliver twice as much DPS. They are the largest DPS dealer in the sub-cab arena. Kill most BC with ease. Least amount of ISK per risk in capital engagements, POS warfare, System defense.
Needs to be piloted/fitted by well skilled, experienced pilots. Fit ACCORDING to the engagement. Tank, tracking, small ships, large ships, neut, speed, DPS, range. All can be fit according to the fleet engagement.

All pilots that want to progress past 'cruisers online' should be able to fit a T2, well skilled BS. If a corp or alliance cannot field BS, they cannot effectively evolve to the 'next' levels of EVE.

If you are advising new players to NOT train battleships, it is bad advise. You will get them killed when it comes time to fly one.
And if a whole corp of ill-skilled BS pilots undock, the results will be magnified immensely.
If you haven't been in 20 or more BS fights, you are not qualified to give such advise.

But a battleship takes close to 100% of all damage too. Tank means nothing if you take all the damage. For example. you field 20 battleships v. 40 t3 Cruisers. T3 fleet will only take some of the damage a battleship deals. A battleship will take all of the damage a T3 deals. Can one battleship tank all of the dmage from 40 T3s? We all know none can. Will all 20 battleships be able to hit all of the T3s? We all know that they wont as the T3 can dictate the range. Your "tank" would mean nothing in a larger opposing fleet.

Fit according to the engagement is exactly why I discard scenarios in this discussion. "If they had such and such fit, they would've won." That's why the OP focused on ship/game design and not scenarios.

First i have to ask, why do you need 20vs40 for your T3 cruiser gang to win, if battleships are so bad would you not make a better point by using equal numbers or more battleships (if you truly think BS are as crap as you say)

What other 20man gang would win against these 40 T3s? Do you think Cruiser/HAC/T3 would do better against 2x their numbers of T3?

Frigates: Ill give you that frigs are cheap and its hard to replace them when the only real reason to use one is their cost :P

But a battleship takes close to 100% of all damage too. Tank means nothing if you take all the damage. For example. you field 20 battleships v. 40 t3 Cruisers. T3 fleet will only take some of the damage a battleship deals. A battleship will take all of the damage a T3 deals. Can one battleship tank all of the dmage from 40 T3s? We all know none can. Will all 20 battleships be able to hit all of the T3s? We all know that they wont as the T3 can dictate the range. Your "tank" would mean nothing in a larger opposing fleet.

Fit according to the engagement is exactly why I discard scenarios in this discussion. "If they had such and such fit, they would've won." That's why the OP focused on ship/game design and not scenarios.

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Battleships really shine in PVE. They can tank loads of damage, enough damage to break NPC tanks. PVE is nothing like PVP in EVE however. Battleships will not make taking on larger numbers of ships viable.