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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:12:54 -
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some good changes, but i still think droneboats have a big slot advantage over ships needing turrets/hardpoints, so please consider reducing slots on all droneboats to -3 slots, guristas should also follow the - slots which they do not atm for some reason...
Tech 3's need to be multi-role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists.
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist, nerf sentries, -3 slots for droneboats
Nerf web strength, Make the blaster eagle worth using
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
740
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:12:55 -
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Suitonia wrote:CCP Fozzie - 5:47PM : PVP damage per month leader per class: T1 Frigate - Tristan, Pirate Frigate - Worm, T1 Cruiser - Vexor, Navy Cruiser - VNI, Pirate Cruiser - Gila, T2 Cruiser - Ishtar, T1 Battleship - Dominix http://puu.sh/iyxmt/3448c15a01.png
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battle Barviainen
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:13:19 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:Bunka en Daire wrote:Why u just dont delete drone boats from game??? Even better u can mix up vexor and ishtar in one ship, so no more efforts for nerfing.
Or better why u just do not BUFF other ships, so u must nerf all drone boats, because of tiiiiit BLOBERS?
Calm down, dron user. DDAs were & still are OP, considering that the base drone attributes were already competitive prior to their introduction. Altrue wrote:CCP Rise wrote:This flexibility is part of what makes drones really interesting and while sentries have become a big part of what makes certain hulls so strong, we don't want to lock drone ships into drones that match their ship size. I don't think people are asking for Ishtars to be unable to use sentries. Most people are asking for the removal of sentries bonuses on them. You know, the +25% damage, AND the +25% hitpoints, AND the +25% tracking, AND the +25% optimal. They would still be able to use sentries, but their stats would be more in-line with their actual balanced state. Double dron bonuses everyday. On top of a battleship weapons system on a cruiser hull with t2 resists. Gobbi pls
the DDA nerf is warranted yes, but the mid + lowslot is just plain stupid, remove the sentry's keep the speed + pwg nerf and it would pretty much kill it's constant fleet use. the mid slot removal will also kill it's ability to run complexes and other solo activty's |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2914
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:13:49 -
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Canon Makanen wrote:Because now it is almost impossible to use shield tank. That is the point. Shield Ishtar = OP Ishtar.
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
740
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:15:18 -
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More data for the cri-ers - PvP damage done by ship class, segmented by weapons type.
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Adrien Venportt
NED-Clan Reshipping Services Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:15:42 -
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Dez Affinity wrote:You guys don't have a clue what you're doing. You're just playing whack a mole until you get the desired results.
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Alexander McKeon
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
95
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:16:19 -
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CCP Rise wrote:This is suggested so often but it just isn't the case. Drones not being locked to the size of their owner ship is one of the most consistent and distinct things about them. Vexors, VNIs, Myrmidons, Eos's, and Ishtars (at least) all use 'battleship sized' drones, and everything bigger than a destroyer can use 'frigate sized' drones. This flexibility is part of what makes drones really interesting and while sentries have become a big part of what makes certain hulls so strong, we don't want to lock drone ships into drones that match their ship size. And every single one of those hulls gets a generic bonus applying to all drone types, EXCEPT the Ishtar.
Vexor: +50% damage & HP Myrmidon: +50% damage & HP Eos: +50% Damage & HP Tristan: +50% HP & Tracking speed (Only has bandwidth for a flight of lights, two mediums, or one heavy) VNI: +50% Drone HP/damage, +25% Max Velocity & Tracking
Ishtar: +25% Sentry HP & Damage, +50% HP/Damage other drones, +37.5% Heavy Drone max velocity & tracking +25% Sentry drone optimal range & tracking speed, +25km to drone operation range.
Only one of these drone ships has a bonus to damage projection (which is important for sentries) and gets a bonus to drone control range, requiring fewer fitting compromises in order to kill a target 100km away. No other ship listed here can sit at such a range from their target while making as few fitting compromises as the Ishtar to get their drones working so far away, nor has the drone bandwidth / bay to deploy three full flights of sentries.
The Ishtar is uniquely able amongst sub-battleship hulls to deploy sentry drones which are effective at long engagement ranges, control them from such a range, and carry enough drones to be effective over a sustained engagement. These things are why the Ishtar is broken. Remove the sentry application bonuses, keep the sentry DPS buff at +25%, and you'll find a much more balanced hull. |
Lt Shard
Team Pizza Good at this Game
49
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:16:22 -
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I think the issue with the ishtar is its bonuses, not fitting/slots/modules
that sentry tracking/range is ridiggalus |
Hullender
Biafra' State
0
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:16:29 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:You guys don't have a clue what you're doing. You're just playing whack a mole until you get the desired results. Whack an Ishtar. Better just delete it from the game, problem solved. |
Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky
Nolen Trading
36
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:16:39 -
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What the hell foozie, you punish all drone ships because of the ishtar's garbage?
god damnit, can you not punish other ships because one is OP, this is the same thing you did to rail ships because eagles and slippery pete tengus did their thing.
Another thing, you realize the ishtar has the same capacitor regeneration rate as the zealot despite the ishtar having little use for all that capacitor which is why those 100mn AB fits were kiting the hell out of people.
At least now with -1 mid and +1 low armor fits will be favored heavily. |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16266
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:16:49 -
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How to fix the ishtar.
Remove sentry drones from cruiser hulls.
Ishtar is now fixed.
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Jay Amazingness
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:16:57 -
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finally ccp it only took you 2 years now fix tengus pls |
Jay Amazingness
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:17:45 -
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baltec1 wrote:How to fix the ishtar.
Remove sentry drones from cruiser hulls.
Ishtar is now fixed.
BATTLE SHIP LEVEL WEAPONS ON A CRUISER
there is something a little wrong there don't you think?
These changes won't really do much I mean the ishtar will still be used as much just people will now armor tank it, and use those dank ewar slosts. I would like to see the ishtar have a similar bonus to the fila allow it to use some mediums and do good damage with them, the ishtar would have the t2 resists over the gila aswell as the hull cost, maybe limit the band width to 100 instead of 125, this also allows the domi to get a little bit of a buff too. |
Mostlyharmlesss
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:19:15 -
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Rip carrier ratting with heavy drones.
I assume you're going to fix that with the upcoming capital ships revamp, right?
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16266
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:19:31 -
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Jay Amazingness wrote:
BATTLE SHIP LEVEL WEAPONS ON A CRUISER
there is something a little wrong there don't you think?
And to think they took away my ability to fit a single Dreadnought blaster to my mega
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Hullender
Biafra' State
0
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:20:46 -
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Suitonia wrote:Mind **** wrote:don't make ships better, just make them worse = balancing a'la CCP
gg Because this causes power-creep, instead of balancing drones and the Ishtar, if you boost every single other thing, you then have even more balancing problems (very like to have a lot of overtuned/undertuned with the new buff numbers when you change so much stuff) then you have existing content like PVE getting easier due to more powerful player ships. Because making ships unfun to fly is good for the game and PVE is fun. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1105
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:21:28 -
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how about 10% damage per level and a falloff or tracking bonus for the tempest instead. rupture could do with the same kind of treatment btw (or you could fix projectiles lol). |
Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
744
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:21:54 -
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Lt Shard wrote:I think the issue with the ishtar is its bonuses, not fitting/slots/modules
that sentry tracking/range is ridiggalus
Removing the Optimal range part of the double Optimal + Tracking double bonus would help mitigate things.
CCP Rise?
Jay Amazingness wrote:baltec1 wrote:How to fix the ishtar.
Remove sentry drones from cruiser hulls.
Ishtar is now fixed. BATTLE SHIP LEVEL WEAPONS ON A CRUISER there is something a little wrong there don't you think?
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1868
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:23:01 -
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon That Escalated Quickly.
1613
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:23:30 -
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DDA nerf hits every drone based ship, even those that are not overpowered in relation to their cost...I do not see how that is balanced.
Just nerf the ishtar in a way that puts her in line.
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
744
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:24:20 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5789717#post5789717
Good luck trying to get them to poast the original with numbers, or graphs with any Y axis scales.
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Adrien Venportt
NED-Clan Reshipping Services Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:24:21 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:You guys don't have a clue what you're doing. You're just playing whack a mole until you get the desired results. Whack an Ishtar.
Not even close. Please stop trying.
It has been said a year ago, we will say it again. Limit sentries to a BS hull or remove the sentry bonus from the Isthar itself. Or nerf the tracking of the sentry drones. But noooo, as always you refuse to adress the actual root of the problem and just keep chipping away at the tree. With a blunt axe. And blindfolded. Ever wondered what happened to cruiser and/or battlecruiser sized doctrines in nullsec? Isthars.
Also, I hear Riot is hiring. |
beakerax
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
170
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:24:42 -
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CCP Rise wrote: Decrease in max velocity from 185m/s to 175m/s ugh
+1 for DDA nerf though |
Masaaq
PYRO MANIACS A Band Apart.
6
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:25:10 -
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Indeed these are steps in the right direction; good work. However, as others have already stated, the issue with the Ishtar is the huge damage at such great ranges with incredible application.
Rise, you misinterpret. Do not remove the ability to utilise sentries on cruiser hulls, but simply remove the optimal and tracking bonus of sentries from the Ishtar. |
Icemandk
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:26:41 -
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Remove that stupid ship from the game. and lets move on |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
1411
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:27:35 -
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baltec1 wrote:How to fix the ishtar.
Remove sentry drones from cruiser hulls.
Ishtar is now fixed.
Or you can reduce the bandwidth of the Ishtar, dropping down to 100 from 125.
You then reduce the bandwidth of heavy drones from 25 to 20.
You then reduce the dronebay of the Ishtar slightly (225 to 250 is about right).
So it keeps sentry potential but loses 20% of its sentry damage.
It keeps all of its heavy drone damage.
It is now relatively on par with the myrmidon, stratios, drone proteus (hahahaha), minus it's bonuses to sentry's
They took a sledge hammer, swung randomly and hit everything.
The drone damage amps are a good choice, but they killed the shield Ishtar.
Was the shield Ishtar the issue?
Yaay!!!!
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1105
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:28:51 -
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CCP Rise wrote: This is suggested so often but it just isn't the case. Drones not being locked to the size of their owner ship is one of the most consistent and distinct things about them. Vexors, VNIs, Myrmidons, Eos's, and Ishtars (at least) all use 'battleship sized' drones, and everything bigger than a destroyer can use 'frigate sized' drones. This flexibility is part of what makes drones really interesting and while sentries have become a big part of what makes certain hulls so strong, we don't want to lock drone ships into drones that match their ship size.
it's one of the really terrible things about them, more like. having slow, useless vulnerable drones on my vexor/algos with no spares isn't what makes it interesting or good. |
Suitonia
Genos Occidere Warlords of the Deep
562
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:29:42 -
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On the subject of the Tempest boost, It is well warranted, I think it would be interesting to see a larger flat damage bonus and a projection bonus instead, say 10% Large Projectile damage and 10% Large Projectile Falloff/Optimal Range/Tracking instead to give the Tempest a role as a ship which has projection, with slightly less raw DPS output than the Maelstrom, but more Alpha, making it more attractive as a long-range fleet platform, while the Maelstrom retains its strengths as a hardier brawler and more raw firepower at expense of Alpha/Projection. This is a great alternative though.
I think a lot of people don't appreciate how strong the rate of fire bonus increase is, so I'll spell it out for them here.
Previously the Tempest had 9.975 Effective Turrets. (6 x 1.25 [Damage] x 1.33 [Rate of Fire])
25% bonus to rate of Fire is a 33% DPS Increase, because the way you calculate rate of fire bonuses. ( 1 / 0.75 = 1.33) 37.5% bonus to rate of fire is a 60% DPS increase, (1 / 0.625 = 1.6)
Therefore the Tempest is going to have 12 Effective Turrets (6x 1.25 [Damage] x 1.6 [Rate of Fire])
Which is very significant, approx 20%~ DPS increase for the Tempest.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
1728
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:30:03 -
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Removing some or all of the sentry bonuses on the Ishtar would be considerably more effective at keeping them in line.
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Alexander McKeon
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
96
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:30:07 -
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Masaaq wrote:Rise, you misinterpret. Do not remove the ability to utilise sentries on cruiser hulls, but simply remove the optimal and tracking bonus of sentries from the Ishtar. Sentries with no special optimal + tracking bonus would be fine on the Ishtar; turn it into an optimal range bonus for heavy drones or something so that they can operate outside of easy smartbomb range; that would keep the Ishtar in possession of a unique, interesting bonus without giving it game-wrecking damage projection.
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