so... those Ishtars and Gilas had 5'000 dps? (assuming a nearly untanked 100k hp BS)

pretty much ..

My Gila does around 900 dps out to 60km
(100 missile dps to 30km)

4x rlml
3x LSE
2x Hardener
1x 10mn AB
3x DDA
1x Shield Relay
3x Shield Extenders

My Tengu does somewhere between 550 & 650 dps out to 70km
(at work so no game/fitting tool access)

6x HML
1x Medium Shield Recharger
1x Shield Booster
2x Hardener
1x 10mn AB
1x Target Painter
4x BCU
3x CCC

Its been that long since I flew a Cerberus that I cant remember how much damage it did,
but fairly sure it was in the 400-450 dps range

I can currently fit an Ishtar for shield or armour tank, and get double the DPS that the Cerberus does

So the -mid, +Low to the Ishtar is definitely a move in the right direction

so... those Ishtars and Gilas had 5'000 dps? (assuming a nearly untanked 100k hp BS)

Glorious.

Any word on stripping drones off most ships that don't use them? or balancing the amount of drones each racial ship gets? I'm referring to the Thorax getting 5 mediums while the Omen gets 4 and the Maller gets 3. Why is this?

You have not fit an Ishtar in a long time then. A fairly standard fit with Bouncers is about 450-500DPs and 500-540DPs with Curators.

just gunna take stabs at the ishtar till you figure it out huh lol
even a blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time

ishtar is dominate due to its sentries and range...

they pretty much left that untouched.

refocus the ishtar to a heavy drone ship... if you want to pigion hole it to armor... give it an armor repping bonus instead of drone activation range.

Are supers going to get a damage increase to compensate?
Sick of getting repeated nerfs on a ship i never log in.

Why not just remove sentry bonuses from the hull instead of nerfing sentries, drones, and ishtars themselves? How much collateral damage has been caused to all other drone and sentry ships trying to fix this issue when simply removing the overpowered bonuses from the ship would have removed the sentry Ishtar in the first place?

I've got an armour tanked one sitting around somewhere
while it's true i don't use it very often

I do remember it's overall dps output being not too dissimilar to my Gila's

Though that could just be due to the Gardes .....

We are changing the Tempest's bonus to rate of fire from 5% to 7.5% per level.

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What will you do with a 950 turret dps Tempest? Let us know!

Fix the ishtar and quit nerfing other drone boats, do you even think about the effects on other ships? Your stupid dps graph needs to be thrown away. Take sentrys away from ishtars, make them a armor boat, etc...

So now the already almost useless Super Capitals, get another nerf? Why do you continue to crap on supers/titans? Do you not care about them? If so just yank them out of the game and refund the SP..

instead of smashing the ishtar and drones in general.. why dont we buff this guy?

Why u just dont delete drone boats from game???
Even better u can mix up vexor and ishtar in one ship, so no more efforts for nerfing.

Or better why u just do not BUFF other ships, so u must nerf all drone boats, because of tiiiiit BLOBERS?

So when some1 invest year in training drones, u just nerf them and u make that one year of training pointless...

Bad thing with all this nerfing is beacuse u base all that on +200 mans fleet...so....do u think all eve players are part of CFC, PL, and other so called alliances who enjoy to blob 200 ishtars on one Maelstrom???

Remove drone tracking mods. Rebalance sentry drones independently.

Problem fixed

Removing the midslot will not make it realy that less used, you need to remove the sentry's from the ishtar and let it keep the midslot and let it keep the speed + pwg nerf

The last 9 months has been nothing but nerfs. Makes me sad that no ships get to rise to power and instead CCP is just focusing on flavor of the month/year fits because people use them. I'd really like the punisher to shine or I'd really like the arbitrator to be a good displacement for the crucifier. I really wish I had a reason to use the rupture for anything but arties and autocannons suck.

But apparently proposing any buffs to underpowered ships in a huge fog of nerfs is considered "power creep"

Make the slowest HAC even slower. Great idea! BC-Speed is nice! Under 1300m/s in an armor fit with a mwd.

Because this causes power-creep, instead of balancing drones and the Ishtar, if you boost every single other thing, you then have even more balancing problems (very like to have a lot of overtuned/undertuned with the new buff numbers when you change so much stuff) then you have existing content like PVE getting easier due to more powerful player ships.