Will the "Tempest Fleet Issue" recieve the increased firerate too?
Cause otherwise it will be weaker than the normal one.
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due to ~legacy code~ you can't change the drone rof, only damage.

Agreed, it was the only good Gallente ship that could shield tank and that was what really made the Ishtar a cool, fun and flexible ship to fly. By no means did the 5/5/5 slot layout make the Ishtar OP, It was plain and simple it's ability to use BS caliber weapons without cap or fitting restraints.

And now it appears CCP is taking that uniqueness away from the Ishtar and turning it into another (yawn) armor tank Gallente ship. I'm starting to get the feeling that CCP has no idea what they're doing when it comes to balancing this ship. I believe that it's only a matter of time for this controversial ship that caused more of a dilemma then any other ship in the history of eve , to end up being long forgotten in the realm of Oblivion (courtesy of CCP of course).

Nope that's not it. They should keep 10% to drone damage and hit points as they did before and just introduce medium sentry drones.

Just playing devils advocate here but...

Heavy drones are also battleship classed drones.

Asking for the removal of "battleship classed drones" from a "cruiser sized platform" might not quite get the result you want.

Additionally rise does have a point.. If they do it to one drone they are more likely to lock all drones. This means no more sentries for the VNI, Myrm, Prophacy, Vexor, Damnation, and Eos. It wouldn't make functional design or balance sense to remove sentries from ONE cruiser platform.

Additionally once you've established that Large Drones only work on Battleships or above then you inadvertently establish that medium drones are Cruiser/BC and, more importantly, lights are limited to frigates and destroyers. Want to pretty much kill or drastically change the balance dynamics of all secondary weapon system drone using battleships in the game in a single move?
Does the golem now get 5 heavy drones since it can no longer use 5 lights or do you buff it to use no drones at all?
What about a drake? Does it now get 5 medium drones since that would now be its intended "drone size" ?

Size locking drones becomes a very nasty bag of worms once opened. Sentry drones may be the root of the problem with the Ishtar(I personally think its the fact that its a brick in space WITH its damage projection) but can you honestly say that would be the "best" fit to fixing the game?

Damn! I spent 3-4 mounth of life learning Ishtar, and its nerfed twice.
before it i have learned up to 5 (2 battleship skills) Rattlesnake , thay nerfed them for less firepower against gangster frigetes. just left bonus for heavy and senrty drones, also nerfed sentryes. Is tte CCP watching me ? Now im finishing learn the Sin - guys this one ll be nerfed soon

Now for something different

Why is there no drone boats with bonuses to EWAR drones? Seems like a missed opportunity to have a unique ship.

don't make ships better, just make them worse = balancing a'la CCP

gg

What will you do with a 950 turret dps Tempest? Let us know!

Again :
Slot change: why not. Nice idea.
Pgen-nerf: stupid if you want armor tanked ishtars. But you can adapt (no pgen for turrets though)
Speed nerf: ridiculous. Make the slowest cruiser even slower. Especially bad if you armor tank it.

Tempel buffs: no idea. I dont know the BS problems enough for a statement.

not ok

do you know why everyone and his mother flys ishtars ?
Because you sit at 70km **** out dps and when you lose more then 2 isthars you just run away and no one can ever stop you

remove the 5% dmg sentry bonus on the ishtar instead

Personally, with the Tempest being an Attack Battleship, I feel an application bonus would be more fitting. If the straight 5% damage bonus was dropped for a 7.5% tracking bonus the Tempest would then slot nicely into the attack BS role. it would then still retain 9.6 effective turrets with a 7.5% RoF bonus (only 0.4 less than current Tempest) and be able to really apply that damage whilst taking advantage of it's inherent speed advantage over other ships.

If the Tempest was felt to still be too weak, buffing the RoF bonus to 10% would push it back out to 12 effective turrets (currently proposed) which leaves options open for future balance if required.

Now the Tempest Fleet Issue could be differentiated from the standard issue pest by giving it 8 turret slots, a 7.5% tracking bonus and a 5% damage bonus (not RoF) giving the ship 10 effective turrets. This would place the Tempest as the absolute premier Alpha boat in the game giving it a real role, especially in the "Fleet" role which is in it's name!

What do you think?

Size locking drones becomes a very nasty bag of worms once opened.

CCP invalidated that argument some time ago with the 3 precedents they have already set on this particular subject - I draw your attention to the Rattlesnake, Gila and Worm.

"The Ishtar needs the nerf bat."

"Based on what evidence?"

"Lots of players actually want to fly it."

This is suggested so often but it just isn't the case. Drones not being locked to the size of their owner ship is one of the most consistent and distinct things about them. Vexors, VNIs, Myrmidons, Eos's, and Ishtars (at least) all use 'battleship sized' drones, and everything bigger than a destroyer can use 'frigate sized' drones. This flexibility is part of what makes drones really interesting and while sentries have become a big part of what makes certain hulls so strong, we don't want to lock drone ships into drones that match their ship size.

i agree with the posts that ccp is being completly idiotic with theses nerfs. YOUVE HEARD IT A MILLION TIMES... THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE ISHTAR!!!! AND SENTRIES!!! NOT DRONES OR OTHER DRONE BOATS.

So yah stop being a bunch of retards and nerf the ishtar and it's use of sentries.

On another note I think that sentries need a counter and scripted ecm would be awesome for this.

Basically you made ECM worthless cause people hate being out of the fight entirely. However I propose this.

1. There should be two ecm scripts 1 that breaks the ships lock with drones and either hits all the time or has super high chance to hit (this is obviously open to discussion) and the second script shoudl be double the chance to hit but only breaks lock like ecm burst. Where lock can immidiatly begin to be regained. This would allow for better e war fare with jams and sensor damps...

2. when a drone ship loses lock through ecm or through getting damped the drones shut down and stop flying and shooting. This should be done now!

3. counters to e war should be something like 50% stronger.. so that if you give up mids or utility to counter it is stronger ( double may be too strong also debatable)

Discuss

DDA nerf... because Ishtar is OP

Clearly this move is rather harsh for all drone boats , not happy about this.

/Sad Panda

"Next up, Drone Damage Amplifiers. While the Ishtar has really taken the spotlight as the most oppressive ship around, drone focused hulls are extremely strong across the board"