THIS is what I mean

look at all the wasted space in this quote

No bitching about signatures?

Problem 5 : You ditched all the content of the old forums.

So why should I stop using the old forums again? If all the content is on the old forum, but not on the new forum, then that by itself is a very good reason not to switch over.

No bitching about signatures?

problem 5: images, where are they?

problem 6:

So how do nested quotes look?

If you think these things are so easy, why haven't you asked the biggest question of all;
Why haven't they been fixed from the start or during the experimental phase?
Perhaps they are busy doing important things instead of messing about with SpaceBook.
Just a thought.

Images will return in the next iteration of the forums. This will include signature images.

If you think these things are so easy, why haven't you asked the biggest question of all;
Why haven't they been fixed from the start or during the experimental phase?
Perhaps they are busy doing important things instead of messing about with SpaceBook.
Just a thought.

So how do nested quotes look?

Images will return in the next iteration of the forums. This will include signature images.

Images will return in the next iteration of the forums. This will include signature images.

Problem 5 : You ditched all the content of the old forums.

So far, the only news about it we ever got was that all old content will be simply forsaken, shoved in the soon-to-be "read-only" old forums.
Was it really THAT difficult to commit to at least EVENTUALLY migrating all the old threads and topics from the old forum to the new one ? WHY ?!? Seriously, WHY ?
Fix ? Even if it takes a few days, or weeks, or heck, even months, as long as you do migrate them one day it would be fine.

Images will return in the next iteration of the forums. This will include signature images.

Images will return in the next iteration of the forums. This will include signature images.

I don't know if it's just me, but I sort of expect to open the first page of a thread the first time I click on it, not the last. What possible use could I ever have of opening the last page without knowing what the thread is actually about?

Maybe it's just me who's stupid and don't understand how to open the first page of a thread, does someone know if there is a setting or something I could change to open the first page by default instead? And while on the subject of settings I'd like to be able to disable the warnings about external pages.

Problem 1: To fit different resolutions. There are people who still use 1024x768, even 800x600 on desktop. And make it mobile friendly as well.

Problem 2:Do you write on A4 paper in vertically aligned at center as well? People read from left to right, top to bottom. Not from center to bottom.

Problem 3: For easier reading. Don't need to cramp text making cell height same as font height. It's not late 90's, I don't want my eyes to bleed out with no CSS adjustments.

Problem 4: It's not harder to read, it's hard for you to get used.

Problem 5: There are gazillion reasons why. I think one of the main reason - CCP doesn't want new pilots read/search topics that are 5+ years old that are useless now because everything has evolved and changed?

Problem 6:Quotes are great as they are.

To sum up, this is just "i'm used to that, I don't like this new" whining. Man up, drink some concrete and always be free to try something new. CCP - great job!

Nip it, nip it good.

On a side note, Akita T, you need to change your hair, its clipping through you jacket in an odd way. Other than that, HOT pic

Absolutely massively MAJOR showstopper for me:

Using latest Firefox 4, when I middle click on a thread title on the thread view pages, instead of actually opening the link in a new tab, I get the scroll up/down icon and instead am able to scroll up/down the page.

can haz fix please?

Most of these "concerns" were posted on every test version of the forums so far.
If they had nothing better to do than "work on SpaceBook", how about they should leave the old forums alone as they are now until they get these new ones working up to snuff ?

It's the server-side quick rendering that's the problem, locally it looks great, hopefully whenever they manage to get the raytracing monster up and running it will finally display the way it should.

AND THEY JUST CLOSED THE OLD FORUM DOWN COMPLETELY.

Gah !

he mad.

"Wasted" space maybe, but I think it helps improve readability. Not everyone enjoys walls of text you know?

large quotes are large

Absolutely massively MAJOR showstopper for me:

Using latest Firefox 4, when I middle click on a thread title on the thread view pages, instead of actually opening the link in a new tab, I get the scroll up/down icon and instead am able to scroll up/down the page.

can haz fix please?

It took you how long to start bitching?

Maybe give a few days to adapt before you start bitching? Or even a few hours.... at least 15 minutes maybe?

I have a more irritating problem in chrome. It opens the the thread in a new tab AND counts it as a click to load the thread in the page I'm working with. Talk about a drag.

insert quote

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/marketing/InGameAds/newForums.jpg
Seriously ?
LOL.


EDIT : and the fact you don't know you posted and you end up doubleposting is a "NICE BONUS"

I don't know if it's just me, but I sort of expect to open the first page of a thread the first time I click on it, not the last. What possible use could I ever have of opening the last page without knowing what the thread is actually about?

Maybe it's just me who's stupid and don't understand how to open the first page of a thread, does someone know if there is a setting or something I could change to open the first page by default instead? And while on the subject of settings I'd like to be able to disable the warnings about external pages.

This!

This!

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/marketing/InGameAds/newForums.jpg
Seriously ?
LOL.


EDIT : and the fact you don't know you posted and you end up doubleposting is a "NICE BONUS"

I like how when I click on a topic it sends me to a random page in the thread.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/marketing/InGameAds/newForums.jpg
Seriously ?
LOL.

It is a rather rare occasion when I would disagree with Akita. Ad is spot on.

"Shiney" and dumbed down.

He's not bitching. Far from actually, there is a difference between constructive feedback and that, particularly because it is clear now that roughly 90% of the acknowledged user feedback in the previous test rounds was discarded rather than engaged on as earlier acknowledged by CCP. Same goes for a lot of the technical feedback.

Personally, being someone with visual deficiencies, I'm scratching behind my ears over the complete absence of any element of Usability standards, something also voiced during the testing rounds. This independant of design analysis, which promotes less active user behaviour patterns, as well as more shallow user behaviour patterns. Which is a shame, in many ways it is a step back to design concepts of the (very) old initial eve forums.

I'm not ever starting on mobile reading, posting, etc. Which these days is not just commonplace, but a must for online communities. Has been for a few years now.

Don't mind Sig Sour, he's completely sour from having gotten verbally beaten on topics of T2 BPOs, and he's hunting threads where I make any complaints whatsoever acting like a total douche.

Akita makes some good points, but I don't agree about the readability of this forum. I find this much easier to read, in general. The thrust in technical writing (which is what I do for a living) over the last while has been to increase your whitespace for readability. Yep, there's no question you lose real-estate in a big way, but the end result is more readable. Yeah, it takes some getting used to though.

Don't mind Sig Sour, he's completely sour from having gotten verbally beaten on topics of T2 BPOs, and he's hunting threads where I make any complaints whatsoever acting like a total douche.

As for you cry baby thread, on topic of THIS thread: couldn't you give it at least a few hours before bitching?

On top of not liking the look as much, I'm still suprised they didn't take the time and effort to do a data migration from the old forums.

Which just because they think it looks nice, doesn't mean it is. I have been reading since I was three and since I was five have been reading small print just fine. I am now in my 30s and hate the extra whitespace. It makes for slower reading and more use of the scroll wheel. When I received a Kindle as a gift, I set the font to the smallest size because it slowed my reading down horribly. When MSNBC did their redesign, I gave them feedback about all the whitespace as well. I did the same for Wikipedia. It didn't do a lick of good, but hopefully, someone who does web design recommendations will take a pause and realize that there is too much whitespace being generated in "modern" websites.

As for the forums, I have to agree with all of the problems. And I have to add one, I like the left navigation menu from the old forums.

And so I don't sound like an old fart, I do love the live updates to the post as you are writing a reply.

Problem 5 : You ditched all the content of the old forums.

So far, the only news about it we ever got was that all old content will be simply forsaken, shoved in the soon-to-be "read-only" old forums.
Was it really THAT difficult to commit to at least EVENTUALLY migrating all the old threads and topics from the old forum to the new one ? WHY ?!? Seriously, WHY ?
Fix ? Even if it takes a few days, or weeks, or heck, even months, as long as you do migrate them one day it would be fine.

like that

Why do the new forums send me to page 5 of this thread when i click the title?

I want to read the op first before the banter on the following pages!

New forum software has been designed to somewhat work as a deterrent to threadnoughts, C/D?

Images will return in the next iteration of the forums. This will include signature images.

he mad.

"Wasted" space maybe, but I think it helps improve readability. Not everyone enjoys walls of text you know?

Close old forum that worked badly, replace with new forum that works badly for different reasons, classic CCP.

Currently, if you are logged on and click the title of a thread, it brings you to the last page in a thread. This is not good. People who have not read the thread will be dropped onto the last page rather than the first page where they belong. You also don't want to get people used to not reading the Original Post, as that causes trollish Too Long, Didn't Read style 'responses'

Clicking on the title of a thread should always bring the user to the top of the first page.

Problem 1 : Why are the sides cut off at an arbitrary width for absolutely no good reason ?

And no, to look at pretty Incursion-themed background pictures is not a good reason at all.
There are two ways to fix this : either make them span 100% of the available width (quick and dirty) or make the width user-modifiable.

Images will return in the next iteration of the forums. This will include signature images.

Problem 7 : IMG tags, where are they ?

Sure, MOST subforums in the old format were not permitted to have images in them, but in some, they were.
Also, the whole policy against ANY images at all is ever so slightly hypocritical, considering everything else. For starters, the fact you can select NOT to see any of those images if you don't like (say, if you're on a small bandwidth connection), and also the fact that we now get spoon-fed huge portraits. Plus all the junk in the background.
Fix : bring image embed capability back, and limit image SIZE that's allowed instead of simply denying the possibility to post images at all.


Problem 8 : Signatures.

They don't work properly (i.e. "the way we were used to").
Fix : err... fix them ?

Back on topic : It's not like we have not complained about most of these things for months.
Yet somehow, the forums went live with everything ignored.

God, what a bunch of whiny bitches. Why don't all you whiners try posting constructive feedback instead of going off the handle at every little perceived slight? Civil discussions FTW.

I thought constructive criticism had already been given in the other thread on the old forum and as it seems, generally ignored by CCP.

God, what a bunch of whiny bitches. Why don't all you whiners try posting constructive feedback instead of going off the handle at every little perceived slight? Civil discussions FTW.

Fine
First off, there are some cool features in here. I like the big avatars, the whole thing seems faster, I like the new layout.
However, basic functionality has been removed, Many parts of this forum are a downgrade from the old forums, and there are many many bugs that should have been worked out in the alpha stages.
The main reason I'm pissed about this is because this is clearly not finished, yet we are being forced to use it.

How would you feel if they shut down tranquility and told everyone to go use SiSi until Incarna is released?

He probably didn't even read the abundance of constructive posts in this thread either since clicking on the link put him right at the last post instead of at the beginning

Fine
First off, there are some cool features in here. I like the big avatars, the whole thing seems faster, I like the new layout.
However, basic functionality has been removed, Many parts of this forum are a downgrade from the old forums, and there are many many bugs that should have been worked out in the alpha stages.
The main reason I'm pissed about this is because this is clearly not finished, yet we are being forced to use it.

How would you feel if they shut down tranquility and told everyone to go use SiSi until Incarna is released?

Much, much better.

I'm not saying there aren't legit issues that need to be discussed and fixed. I'm only suggesting that maybe there's a more civil way to go about dialogging with CCP on these kinds of things. Raging isn't it.

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Why does a forum need big avatars? Who gives a rats ass what the person posting looks like?

Why does a forum need big avatars? Who gives a rats ass what the person posting looks like? I use a forum for information etc. You can easily make an excellent forum without the need for all the glitzy crap. Content is waaaaaaaay more important than seeing what shade of eyeliner Milla is wearing.

haha
Well raging troll posts on EVE forums is a time-honoured tradition, and I'd feel dirty if my first post wasn't one

Content is indeed more important....but if you can have good looks and stellar content, why not? I for one support the awesome looking avatars pics on the new forums.

Content is indeed more important....but if you can have good looks and stellar content, why not? I for one support the awesome looking avatars pics on the new forums.

Cause it looks better, and me

you make Grace Jones look attractive.

Dunno who that is but.... your face, my arse. Perfect match ;)

What I want to know is. How do I turn off the likes received thing or how do I keep from receiving likes?

If I wanted to be liked. I wouldn't be playing EvE.

I think that the like thing isn't so you can say "I like this person...I want to snuggle up next to them in my hangar"...it's a way of saying "I like this post/support this post".

Clicking a topic sends you to the last page of replies. How on earth are we to know what the actual subject of the forum entry is without scrolling back to page 1?

I don't know if it's just me, but I sort of expect to open the first page of a thread the first time I click on it, not the last. What possible use could I ever have of opening the last page without knowing what the thread is actually about?

Maybe it's just me who's stupid and don't understand how to open the first page of a thread, does someone know if there is a setting or something I could change to open the first page by default instead? And while on the subject of settings I'd like to be able to disable the warnings about external pages.

Problem 4 : Readability sucks.

On top of the fact that you're eating from the both vertical and horizontal display areas, SOMEHOW you managed to make the actual text EVEN LESS READABLE than it was on the old forums.
I can't put a finger on it and say it's the font type or size or colours chosen for text and background, or maybe the weird contrast between the huge portrait plus large text beside it and the tiny text for the actual posts... but fact remains, IT IS HARDER TO READ.
Fix : look at the old forum, copy the style as it was there. It's THAT simple.

I'm not saying there aren't legit issues that need to be discussed and fixed. I'm only suggesting that maybe there's a more civil way to go about dialogging with CCP on these kinds of things. Raging isn't it.

if so, you need to shave it.

I especially dislike the fact that the search function excludes the old forums. So you now have an advanced search option which is completely useless - or, you have very interesting stuff (especially feature/ideas and CSM section) on the old forums which are cut off and dead.

Bravo... not.

I don't need to mention the complete fail design, the forums are full of it already.

Lies, You guys dont Iterate.

is my sig working

Possibly....or we can iterate for them. Looky, I has a signature image!

Use HTML to link in your signature in your forums properties. The only wrinkle so far, you are limited to a height of 75 pixels.

<img src="URL of signature"/>

Possibly....or we can iterate for them. Looky, I has a signature image!

Use HTML to link in your signature in your forums properties. The only wrinkle so far, you are limited to a height of 75 pixels.

<img src="URL of signature"/>

That's all well and good. But I couldn't really care less about how many people like or dislike my post.

So why should I stop using the old forums again? If all the content is on the old forum, but not on the new forum, then that by itself is a very good reason not to switch over.

I completely agree with this. Make it span 100% or allow us to choose. It's rather irritating to make us scroll down more often if the only reason is make it "pretty."

Come on guys cut the intern, who obviously made the forum design all by him self, some slack.

These forums are far from perfect but improvements have been made.

Please don't be that shallow, I highly doubt the majority of people who READ these forums are going to be Smartphone users..

I think you have "suck" and "not perfect, but vastly better than the old ones" confused. It's a common mistake.

To those that have a 1024x768 or 800x600 screen, GET A NEW ONE. ITS 2011!

I bet this ugly massive waste of space with HUGE pictures of our ugly avatars looks KICK ASS on a SmartPhone!!

Problem 5 : You ditched all the content of the old forums.

So far, the only news about it we ever got was that all old content will be simply forsaken, shoved in the soon-to-be "read-only" old forums.
Was it really THAT difficult to commit to at least EVENTUALLY migrating all the old threads and topics from the old forum to the new one ? WHY ?!? Seriously, WHY ?
Fix ? Even if it takes a few days, or weeks, or heck, even months, as long as you do migrate them one day it would be fine.

AND THEY JUST CLOSED THE OLD FORUM DOWN COMPLETELY.

Gah !

In short, be cool and wait a few days. The new forum will look just like the old one.

Gosh how freaking wrong can you be?

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp

The old forums are still there. Maybe if you quit bitching so much you might see these things.

HINT HINT. Try and go to the old forum and see if you can write any new replies or topics.

That's what he meant when he said closed.

Am i the only missing the Navigation at the bottom?

Linkage

Then maybe he should explain himself better. To most people "closed down" means gone, as in the store closed down.

You mean where you can look through the window for what they have inside? Oh dear.

Speak for yourself I guess. I mean, does anyone who has a cell NOT have a smartphone these days? And if they don't, why not? Just sayin'.