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HeimatarTrade	Posted - 2006.11.30 20:14:00 - [91] Originally by: Joerd Toastius This means it can take ten or fifteen tries to guarantee a result, but the probes last for an hour and a bit so you can afford to sit around, keep an eye on local (you can't analyse when cloaked) and keep trying until you get something. I am just started to try this but I am allowed to cloak while scanning. Will I just get no results if I do?
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.11.30 20:24:00 - [92] Originally by: HeimatarTrade Originally by: Joerd Toastius This means it can take ten or fifteen tries to guarantee a result, but the probes last for an hour and a bit so you can afford to sit around, keep an eye on local (you can't analyse when cloaked) and keep trying until you get something. I am just started to try this but I am allowed to cloak while scanning. Will I just get no results if I do? Believe so yes. Could be wrong, but I think that's how it works
Kjermzs Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.30 20:31:00 - [93] Originally by: HeimatarTrade Originally by: Joerd Toastius This means it can take ten or fifteen tries to guarantee a result, but the probes last for an hour and a bit so you can afford to sit around, keep an eye on local (you can't analyse when cloaked) and keep trying until you get something. I am just started to try this but I am allowed to cloak while scanning. Will I just get no results if I do? Thanks for the quick answer (thats my alt btw ) What about NPC sovereign systems in 0.0? Have there been reported discoveries in that space?
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.11.30 21:11:00 - [94] I haven't tried NPC 0.0 but I imagine it's there too. As to multi probes, you can scan with as many probes as you can drop in one go. You get improved strength but odd deviation from overlaps, and you can drop a probe on every planet in system and analyse them all in one go, otherwise it takes forever.
Kjermzs Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.30 21:29:00 - [95] You have no idea how happy that makes me.
Sabahl Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.30 21:42:00 - [96] Edited by: Sabahl on 30/11/2006 21:48:23 N/M I found one :)
Kjermzs Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.30 21:50:00 - [97] I'm still looking
Donna Darko	Posted - 2006.11.30 21:55:00 - [98] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: HeimatarTrade I am just started to try this but I am allowed to cloak while scanning. Will I just get no results if I do? Believe so yes. Could be wrong, but I think that's how it works I analyzed last night cloaked and it worked, was using the CovertOps cloak (I mention this because a while ago, I had no results when using the prototype, but had results when using the CovertOps device). You just have to start analysis then cloak. Stories.
Kjermzs Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.30 22:01:00 - [99] Originally by: Donna Darko Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: HeimatarTrade I am just started to try this but I am allowed to cloak while scanning. Will I just get no results if I do? Believe so yes. Could be wrong, but I think that's how it works I analyzed last night cloaked and it worked, was using the CovertOps cloak (I mention this because a while ago, I had no results when using the prototype, but had results when using the CovertOps device). You just have to start analysis then cloak. Thanks for that info. I'm using a Cov Ops II myself.
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.30 23:23:00 - [100] Astro V for any type of exploration makes me a sad panda ='(((( --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga

Mario delTorres Gang Bang Team Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.01 11:52:00 - [101] good job but 1 AU = about 150.000.000 km recount please your guide. ----- Dont drink and drive, just smoke and fly! -----
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.01 12:02:00 - [102] Originally by: Mario delTorres good job but 1 AU = about 150.000.000 km recount please your guide. Where does it say anything else in my guide? I rounded the max range of the scanner for 14.35 to 14.5au but that was intentional and hardly important. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
maarud Einherjar Incorporated Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.01 12:25:00 - [103] Originally by: Hoshi Skills Astrometrics - Adds one scan group per level. Is the primary skill that determines what probes you can use. For example all exploration probes require level 5 and so do Observator probes. For combat ship probing level 3 will do fine unless the target is in a deep safe for which level 5 is need. Astrometric Pinpointing û Reduces maximum scan deviation by 10% per level. Means that you can use a weaker probe and still get a result that lands you in the same grid as the target. Astrometric Triangulation û 5% scan strength bonus per level of skill. Higher scan strength means easier to find the target and more accurate results. Signal Acquisition - 10% faster scanning with scan probes per level. Must have skill, will cut scan time in half at level 5. Sadly itÆs rank 8. I may be wrong about this, but the probes for exploration don't need lvl V in astrometrics, it was like this on the test server, but it's not like that any more. They need lvl II, III and IV. You might wanna double check my info tho. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Killer Madafaka	Posted - 2006.12.01 12:37:00 - [104] Edited by: Killer Madafaka on 01/12/2006 12:37:18 Originally by: Hoshi Originally by: Mario delTorres good job but 1 AU = about 150.000.000 km recount please your guide. Where does it say anything else in my guide? I rounded the max range of the scanner for 14.35 to 14.5au but that was intentional and hardly important. here: Originally by: Hoshi Basic probing So your target is sitting in afk in a safe spot and you want to find him? This is how itÆs done. First warp around a bit and see if you can find him on the directional scanner. If you can see him; get to the closest object and drop the needed probe. Use the range option on your scanner to determine which probe is needed. 5 au = 750.000.000 km, 10 au = 150.000.000.000 km. So if you can get within 750.000.000 km use the 5au probe etc. Max range of the directional scanner is 14.5 au. 10AU = 1.500.000.000 not 150.000.000.000 Edited: this is me :) Mario delTorres.
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.01 13:08:00 - [105] Originally by: Killer Madafaka 10AU = 1.500.000.000 not 150.000.000.000 Edited: this is me :) Mario delTorres. Ah added 3 zeros instead of 1 for 10 au :) Thank you Originally by: maarud I may be wrong about this, but the probes for exploration don't need lvl V in astrometrics, it was like this on the test server, but it's not like that any more. They need lvl II, III and IV. You might wanna double check my info tho. Shortly before Revelations was released the skill requirements for exploration probes on SiSi changed to what you are showing here, they are still like that on SiSi. But for some strange reason that change never made it to TQ and they still require level 5 there. Bug? Intended? I don't know but I'll update it if I find out. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Kaaii Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2006.12.01 13:16:00 - [106] Question.. What do the different colored contact circles mean? Red/yellow/Green is what ive found so far. Im in process of narrowing down a possible contact in EMPIRE. Im not sure yet if its a mission runner(do these show up on scanning as well? hope not) or wheather its a real contact... Kaaii Trading 101
Auldare Soundless Storm	Posted - 2006.12.01 14:50:00 - [107] Anyone got a breakdown on the scan time modifiers? Currently get 210 sec with scan probe launcher using Astrometrics 5 Cov-ops 5 and Signal Aq 3. Can't for the life of me work out how it can be cut down to 108.4sec with rigs Signal Aq 5 etc etc ================================================
griff1972 Caldari UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.01 15:43:00 - [108] I found a dead space last night in 0.0 with drone NPC's but I have yet to find another in or out of this system. Does anyone know what actually makes these dead space signatures spawn ?. I am beginning to wonder is it really worth looking for them, I have been to a few systems dropped a quest probe on every planet or 1 on a group of planets, analysed as many times as I could till probes dissipated
Albya Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.01 15:46:00 - [109] OMG ! thx for the work on this guide ! :) ----- Who live, who see
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.01 15:49:00 - [110] Originally by: Auldare Anyone got a breakdown on the scan time modifiers? Currently get 210 sec with scan probe launcher using Astrometrics 5 Cov-ops 5 and Signal Aq 3. Can't for the life of me work out how it can be cut down to 108.4sec with rigs Signal Aq 5 etc etc 600 * 0.5 (covert ops 5) * 0.5 (signal acq 5) * 0.85 (t2 rig) * 0.85 (t2 rig) = 108.375 sec ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations

Kaaii Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2006.12.01 16:06:00 - [111] Sure would like to know if im probing down a exploration site or some dam mission runners dead space complex....;/ Am I wasting my time?? Anyone?? Trading 101
Mimes Gallente Medusas and Snails	Posted - 2006.12.01 17:09:00 - [112] Originally by: Kaaii Sure would like to know if im probing down a exploration site or some dam mission runners dead space complex....;/ Am I wasting my time?? Anyone?? I've found 2 empty deadspace pockets in empire with the exploration probes. All in 0.5 systems. Empty = nothing to see, nothing to mine, just floating decorations. Am-I somehow wasting my time too in empire ?
Kaaii Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2006.12.01 17:50:00 - [113] Originally by: Mimes Originally by: Kaaii Sure would like to know if im probing down a exploration site or some dam mission runners dead space complex....;/ Am I wasting my time?? Anyone?? I've found 2 empty deadspace pockets in empire with the exploration probes. All in 0.5 systems. Empty = nothing to see, nothing to mine, just floating decorations. Am-I somehow wasting my time too in empire ? this is very dissapointing.. It seems I too wasted 5 hours and 8mil in probes on several mission runners today.... thanks, but no thanks... Trading 101
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2006.12.02 00:01:00 - [114] More TK sp4m... From the new (next week) patch notes... Quote: * Probe Launchers can no longer be set to auto-repeat. * The scan strength of drones has been increased to 7.5 for ligth drones, 12.5 for medium and 22.5 for heavy. This only affects for probe scanning as they can not be target jammed. * Backup arrays now give a bonus to the sensor type listed in their description. Tech 2 versions now give a 48% bonus. The second two points are good news for sneaky types who aren't cloaked, and proactive lowsec mission runners. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Tharg Immortal Serial Killers	Posted - 2006.12.02 00:45:00 - [115] Great guide, helped me heaps. Found my first Deadspace Gate tonight in a 0.5. Wasnt much cop, but enjoyable to find after all the skill training none-the-less. Just a few frigs and cruisers, not a lot, no great loot. Hopefully as people get into this more CCP will beef up the content. Thankyou and happy hunting peeps "Never kick a tiger up the arse, unless you have a plan to deal with his teeth!"
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.12.02 00:56:00 - [116] Content gets better and harder as system security decreases. I've seen some of the 0.0 exploration plexes and really don't need them to get any harder, thanks :D
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2006.12.02 03:12:00 - [117] Mostly because of my extreme brain-gimp when it comes to math, I'm having trouble figuring out how much ECCM and Backup Sensors on the target impact scan success and accuracy. Could I get some help with the numbers? Say on a Raven, so about 500 signature and 22 unmodified sensor strength. The formula I'm having trouble with is this: Signal Strength = (Probe Sensor Strength * (1 + Level of Astrometric Triangulation * 0.05) / 100) * (1 û (0.65 ((Target Range / Max Range) ^ 1.5))) * (Target Signature Radius / Target Sensor Strength)Say on something in the Raven range, so 22 unmodified sensor strength and about 500 signature. I just can't get it to add up when I look at the example given. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.02 10:00:00 - [118] Not sure what problems you have but you look at it like this. The signal strength is the factor of multiplying 3 things: The probe sensor strength, the range factor and the signal size of the target. If we call the the sensor strength S, the range R and the signal size T the formula would be: *Signal Strength = S R * T** Where S = Probe strength * skills / 100 R = 1-(0.65((range/max range)^1.5)) T = Target Signature Radius / Target Sensor Strength In your example T would be 500 / 22 = 22.27 If put a 50% backup array on the raven the sensor strength becomes 33 so now his signal size T is cut to 500/33 = 15.15 This means is signal size is now 32% less than before which means the signal strength of the scan will also be 32% less than before. Then you need to input the probe strength and range to get the final signal strength and use that signal strength to calculate the accuracy. Hopefully I made things easier to understand and not harder now :) ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Necromincon	Posted - 2006.12.02 13:42:00 - [119] Hy guys, Great post, i just want to ask one thing.... where can i find Recon Probe Launcher? Thnx NC
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.12.02 15:34:00 - [120] In Tuesday's patch :)



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