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zat evad
Caldari Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2006.12.02 15:58:00 -
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so does anybody know when or how or if we'll able to scan for wrecks to go salvage? |
Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi Not sure what problems you have but you look at it like this. The signal strength is the factor of multiplying 3 things: The probe sensor strength, the range factor and the signal size of the target.
If we call the the sensor strength S, the range R and the signal size T the formula would be: Signal Strength = S * R * T Where S = Probe strength * skills / 100 R = 1-(0.65((range/max range)^1.5)) T = Target Signature Radius / Target Sensor Strength
In your example T would be 500 / 22 = 22.27 If put a 50% backup array on the raven the sensor strength becomes 33 so now his signal size T is cut to 500/33 = 15.15 This means is signal size is now 32% less than before which means the signal strength of the scan will also be 32% less than before.
Then you need to input the probe strength and range to get the final signal strength and use that signal strength to calculate the accuracy.
Hopefully I made things easier to understand and not harder now :)
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Kaaii
Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:16:00 -
[123]
Cha-ching!
(well sorta). Had my first real encounter with a sucessful probe down of an empire based DS rogue cdrone complex. Pretty cool
Can read about it here Bingo Didnt' (want to clutter this thread)
And a VERY special thanks goes to Joerd Toastius, who repsonded to all my convos in the middle of whatever he was up to at the time, to answer my battery of ongoing questions...
\o/ Joerd
Kaaii
Trading 101 |
Joerd Toastius
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:34:00 -
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Expect a v2 of the exploration guide soon - got everything working nicely on TQ, found some new stuff, been corrected on other stuff and getting more intel on empire exploration.
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Akisa Chen
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Posted - 2006.12.02 22:28:00 -
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How long do you guys have to try till you finally get a signature? I waste 6 hours, 23 quest probes in 3 systems. Thats more then 35 tries to find something! I am pretty sure I used the right kind of probes.
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Veto1024
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Posted - 2006.12.03 00:15:00 -
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Great guide but I have a few questions.
Can you use the original scanner problems such as the Fathom and Ferret and Snoop probes to find exploration sites or must you use these new Gravimetric/Ladar/Radar/Magnetometric quest/swift/pursuit/comb probes? Also, what about this observator deep space probe? What is that good for? It seems like a big waste of money to drop say, 10 probes into 10 planets in a system at 150k each (although getting a bpo helps reduce that cost ;)) and get a site with a few cruisers and destroyers. Plus of course, it sounds like you'll need a few probes to get a spot down. How do you know when you've stumbled upon an actual exploration site?
Thanks for the help!
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Hoshi
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.03 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: Hoshi on 03/12/2006 01:44:46
Originally by: Veto1024 Great guide but I have a few questions.
Can you use the original scanner problems such as the Fathom and Ferret and Snoop probes to find exploration sites or must you use these new Gravimetric/Ladar/Radar/Magnetometric quest/swift/pursuit/comb probes? Also, what about this observator deep space probe? What is that good for? It seems like a big waste of money to drop say, 10 probes into 10 planets in a system at 150k each (although getting a bpo helps reduce that cost ;)) and get a site with a few cruisers and destroyers. Plus of course, it sounds like you'll need a few probes to get a spot down. How do you know when you've stumbled upon an actual exploration site?
Thanks for the help!
You can use snoop probes, I succeeded in finding a guristats complex site with snoops on the test server. In theory it could even be faster to use snoop than quest but as they has such a short flight time you are going to use up A LOT of probes and you are going to have to move a around to redeploy them a lot.
I wouldn't bother with the other probes, they have too weak sensor strength to be useful, sure you can pick up a site with an observator but you could just as easily sit scanning for 23h and still not pick it up.
Price for probes when they settle down should be around 50-60k. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Veto1024
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Posted - 2006.12.03 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi Edited by: Hoshi on 03/12/2006 01:44:46
You can use snoop probes, I succeeded in finding a guristats complex site with snoops on the test server. In theory it could even be faster to use snoop than quest but as they has such a short flight time you are going to use up A LOT of probes and you are going to have to move a around to redeploy them a lot.
I wouldn't bother with the other probes, they have too weak sensor strength to be useful, sure you can pick up a site with an observator but you could just as easily sit scanning for 23h and still not pick it up.
Price for probes when they settle down should be around 50-60k.
Scanning's description(or lack there of) in Eve makes this confusing. Since i have only astrometrics 3, i use the fathom scanner probes and im assuming that the fathom and the 5AU scanner can only give you at the most, 1 survey per probe unless you are in a covert ops ship and have some skill. Im guessing its much much better to use these new specialized probes?
Sounds like the best strategy is to just go into a system with a bunch of 4AU gravimetrics in caldari space and pop one at every planet and wait to see what you get.
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Veto1024
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Posted - 2006.12.03 03:49:00 -
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Also, i tried to do multiple scans using 2 different fathom probes and only 1 result (negative) came up. Am i going to have to wait 10 minutes for every single planet i want to do in order to scan for these exploration sites without astro 5 to use the better probes?
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sirknight
Gallente Knight of Old
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Posted - 2006.12.03 11:43:00 -
[130]
nice info thanks
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sirknight
Gallente Knight of Old
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Posted - 2006.12.03 11:44:00 -
[131]
nice info thanks
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ytfiytfi
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Posted - 2006.12.03 14:00:00 -
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Anyone had any new exploration areas spawn after 'completing' sites?
So far I've finished two sites in two different systems and unless I'm being very very unluck I don't think a new site has spawned (tried before and after DT).
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Chi'Nook
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Posted - 2006.12.03 14:30:00 -
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so the exploration sites can be found in high sec low sec and 0.0 alltogether right?
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Amira Silvermist
Yazata Spenta Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.12.03 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Chi'Nook so the exploration sites can be found in high sec low sec and 0.0 alltogether right?
Thats how it should be yes...
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Gentzen
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.03 17:53:00 -
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I had spent some hours and about 30 quest probes, and finally found a hidden asteroid belt at 0.6 system.
I explored four 0.5 systems and one 0.6 system. in each system, I spent 1 hour and 3-5 quest probes, and scanned an entire system 9-10 times.
as far, it seems that existing probability of hidden site in high sec is much lower than I expected. # or simply i was very unlucky.
thx Joerd Toastius and Hoshi for nice guide.
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Joerd Toastius
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2006.12.03 18:23:00 -
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Probability of finding sites seems to have been lowered by a factor of 10 or so vs what it was on SiSi
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Amira Silvermist
Yazata Spenta Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.12.03 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gentzen I had spent some hours and about 30 quest probes, and finally found a hidden asteroid belt at 0.6 system.
as far, it seems that existing probability of hidden site in high sec is much lower than I expected. # or simply i was very unlucky.
Sounds quite like my experience...
Well, at least this makes sure that exploration is indeed a "mini profession". Not many people will be willing to spend half a day probing just in the hopes of finding anything.
PS: I also want to thank both of you for the great written guides and all the work you have done.
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Kaaii
Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.03 21:02:00 -
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Found another one today..:)
This time in an 07. I found a "hidden belt" full of omber. Some silvery and golden in there too. This in Forge space where omber doesn't normally spawn. A very nice find. No rats guarding it either, just pure omber, not bad for 4 probes work...
As for respawning complexs...I checked both last nite and this morning on the one I found yesterday morning. The drones had not respawned, "but" a becon had.....it wasn't there before im sure. I tried to get it to operate but could not activate. No clue as to a key either. There were two structures left in the complex tho...i beat one down the morning i found it, but siad to heck with it for the other two. Now im wondering if maybe they are tied to the becon in some way, or if its just a fluke...
Maybe tomorrow..
Kaaii
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codepic
Mithril Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.03 22:07:00 -
[139]
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Imperil
Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.03 22:12:00 -
[140]
This has to be one of the most braindead content added by CCP for sure..
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Kaaii
Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.03 22:52:00 -
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Sorry about your ship.
Don't worry, in time you will have another..
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Imperil
Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.03 22:52:00 -
[142]
Ok, some questions.
After a scan, the higher the signature strength the better right? And if Accuracy is 0m it is good?
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Kaaii
Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.03 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Imperil Ok, some questions.
After a scan, the higher the signature strength the better right? And if Accuracy is 0m it is good?
yes
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Philip Jones
Gallente Bridgeburners 9TH Squad
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Posted - 2006.12.03 23:08:00 -
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Hi I posted in a couple different threads, until finding this one. Earlier I was warping through Empire Space, when my ship stopped mid warp.
A message box opened up, with the message;
"Move along stranger, we dont like newcomers!".
Before I could think to bookmark and take a picture, my ship started warp afain to the destination Starbase. I recreated the evets and took some bookmarks of the rout line, but as I am still traiing astrometrics to V, cant investigate further.
If any1 wants to take a look and see whats there then I am interested to find out. Send me an email in game or post here will keep checking....
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Philip Jones
Gallente Bridgeburners 9TH Squad
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Posted - 2006.12.03 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Philip Jones on 03/12/2006 23:09:48 EDIT* posted twice so removed this one
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Imperil
Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.03 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
Originally by: Imperil Ok, some questions.
After a scan, the higher the signature strength the better right? And if Accuracy is 0m it is good?
yes
Well I did a scan, got perfect results for warpin for a Stilletto and two Vespa I drones. However, the Large Caldari Tower, had the worst signal strength and accuracy about a couple of million km's. This seem rather strange to me? The larger the object the harder it is to find?
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Hoshi
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.03 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Imperil
Well I did a scan, got perfect results for warpin for a Stilletto and two Vespa I drones. However, the Large Caldari Tower, had the worst signal strength and accuracy about a couple of million km's. This seem rather strange to me? The larger the object the harder it is to find?
As said in the guide the Signal Size of an object is it's Signature Radius / Sensor Strength. While on avg larger ships end up with a larger signal size it's not always true.
One good example is Carriers which while larger than battleships also have a very high sensor strength and as such end up being a smaller target for probes (around battle cruiser size). Motherships having even better sensors ends up even smaller (cruiser size).
A pos has the sensor strength of 1000 and as such ends up being very small. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Imperil
Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.04 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Imperil
Well I did a scan, got perfect results for warpin for a Stilletto and two Vespa I drones. However, the Large Caldari Tower, had the worst signal strength and accuracy about a couple of million km's. This seem rather strange to me? The larger the object the harder it is to find?
As said in the guide the Signal Size of an object is it's Signature Radius / Sensor Strength. While on avg larger ships end up with a larger signal size it's not always true.
One good example is Carriers which while larger than battleships also have a very high sensor strength and as such end up being a smaller target for probes (around battle cruiser size). Motherships having even better sensors ends up even smaller (cruiser size).
A pos has the sensor strength of 1000 and as such ends up being very small.
That seem very stupid if you ask me. But hey, at least it follows the CCP standard.
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Hoshi
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.04 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Imperil That seem very stupid if you ask me. But hey, at least it follows the CCP standard. [:(
Personally I think it's a very good system, it removes the need to hand set the size of every single probable object while still giving most ships the same or close to same size as they would been given if it where set by hand.
Are there some ships/objects that stand out and might need adjusting? Yes and in the patch on tuesday one set of object (drones) is being adjusted. We might see a few more similar fixes later when this system has been tested in practice for a while. But as a whole the system is sound a working well.
If there is an object that you think is too easy or too hard to find then why don't you bugreport it instead of whining about it here? ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Meridin Velasces
Sensus Numinis
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Posted - 2006.12.04 00:51:00 -
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I have to admint i didn't read the whole thread but the question i ask myself is: Are the exploration sides allready placed in certain solarsystems and you just need to find the or will they spawn if you probe long enough?
-Meridin
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