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CCP Phantom C C P C C P Alliance 6019	Posted - 2015.08.21 15:07:56 - [1] - Quote With the Galatea update on August 25 we will see a new type of ship SKINs: less bound to traditional factional color schemes, the new designer SKINs can be more daring and bold. The new 'Raata Sunset' SKIN line for Caldari hulls can color your ship fiercely red with elegant stripes of silver-white. More designer SKINs are already waiting: the blue-golden 'Blue Tiger' for Minmatar and Caldari hulls as well as the 'Valklear Glory' design for Minmatar ships. Check out CCP Legion's latest blog Designer SKINs to please your eyes for a beautiful preview of our first designer ship SKINs. CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer - Volunteer Manager

Aebe Amraen Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 173	Posted - 2015.08.21 15:35:24 - [2] - Quote Any word on price? If you price these higher than the normal skins because they're "designer" you'll just be screwing Caldari and Minmatar over again. Please don't do it.
Destoya Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 436	Posted - 2015.08.21 15:36:58 - [3] - Quote No love for the Gallente eh?
Viktor Corgo GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5	Posted - 2015.08.21 15:37:47 - [4] - Quote "Available on _race_ hulls" Just to be clear -- are these SKINs one-ship skins? That is, are we still buying Valklear Glory Typhoon SKIN, Valklear Glory Rifter SKIN, etc, or are we buying a Valklear Glory SKIN that happens to work on Minmatar hulls in general?

CCP Legion 137	Posted - 2015.08.21 15:54:06 - [5] - Quote Aebe Amraen wrote: Any word on price? If you price these higher than the normal skins because they're "designer" you'll just be screwing Caldari and Minmatar over again. Please don't do it. These will fall roughly in the middle of our existing price ranges, none of these will be more expensive that what is out there already. Destoya wrote: No love for the Gallente eh? Not yet, but at some point yes :) Viktor Corgo wrote: "Available on _race_ hulls" Just to be clear -- are these SKINs one-ship skins? That is, are we still buying Valklear Glory Typhoon SKIN, Valklear Glory Rifter SKIN, etc, or are we buying a Valklear Glory SKIN that happens to work on Minmatar hulls in general? The system has not changed, these are all one-ship SKINs. @CCP_Legion \| Producer

Aebe Amraen Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 173	Posted - 2015.08.21 16:02:22 - [6] - Quote CCP Legion wrote: Aebe Amraen wrote: Any word on price? If you price these higher than the normal skins because they're "designer" you'll just be screwing Caldari and Minmatar over again. Please don't do it. These will fall roughly in the middle of our existing price ranges, none of these will be more expensive that what is out there already. Thanks! Glad to hear it.
Hendrink Collie Blood Oath Foundation Adaptation. 68	Posted - 2015.08.21 16:03:29 - [7] - Quote Honestly the red hulls are kinda ugly. However, the Valklear Glory is fairly sharp, I wouldn't spend actually money on them but those skins are not bad.... but where you hit the nail on the head is the Blue Tiger line up. Holy crap that stabber is amazing looking. Those skins were done very well.
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 3043	Posted - 2015.08.21 16:41:46 - [8] - Quote New clothing that looks nice and has good color selection. Thanks CCP, now I need to buy some more Aurum. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3627	Posted - 2015.08.21 16:44:31 - [9] - Quote When will We The Players get to be the creators of the designer skins? Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Kyoko Sakoda Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 248	Posted - 2015.08.21 16:45:30 - [10] - Quote Eh, I've seen far cooler looking designs while browsing SOF in Jeremy. Guess these were given proper QA time, though.
Destoya Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 436	Posted - 2015.08.21 17:17:11 - [11] - Quote CCP Legion wrote: Aebe Amraen wrote: Any word on price? If you price these higher than the normal skins because they're "designer" you'll just be screwing Caldari and Minmatar over again. Please don't do it. These will fall roughly in the middle of our existing price ranges, none of these will be more expensive than what is out there already. Viktor Corgo wrote: "Available on _race_ hulls" Just to be clear -- are these SKINs one-ship skins? That is, are we still buying Valklear Glory Typhoon SKIN, Valklear Glory Rifter SKIN, etc, or are we buying a Valklear Glory SKIN that happens to work on Minmatar hulls in general? The system has not changed, these are all one-ship SKINs. If the prices on SiSi are correct these are significantly more expensive than the other capital skins. 15400 (21600) for the Raata capital bundle compared to 10490 (15510) for the other capital skin bundles. Also, please make these available for t2 and faction ships instead of just the base t1 hulls. There's a point in the game where outside of capitals you very rarely fly anything that isn't faction or t2 and it would be a shame for these to be limited to t1 hulls only.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 22839	Posted - 2015.08.21 19:12:27 - [12] - Quote MOAR BLUE SHIPS!!!!!!!! *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 3992	Posted - 2015.08.21 19:35:21 - [13] - Quote Well, those SKINS have a notorious advantage, since I've been reluctant to fly the corporate colors of corporations which I don't care about or plain dislike (in RP terms). Being "neutral ground", it's just a matter of whether I like my ship in that scheme or don't. 73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...

CCP Terminus C C P C C P Alliance 312	Posted - 2015.08.21 19:44:19 - [14] - Quote Destoya wrote: Also, please make these available for t2 and faction ships instead of just the base t1 hulls. There's a point in the game where outside of capitals you very rarely fly anything that isn't faction or t2 and it would be a shame for these to be limited to t1 hulls only. Edit: Quoting this from reddit so other people actually see this CCP_Terminus wrote: The specific SKINs going out on Tuesday are one SKIN per ship. They will be available on all T1 Caldari ships minus the industrials. We were hoping to also release them for T2 hulls but there have been some delays. The Minmatar SKINs which follow will be available on almost all Minmatar ships. In the future it is certainly possible to have single SKINs which cover multiple ships, we'll see how that goes. The first example of a multi-ship SKIN this will be the Sansha Alliance tournament reward SKIN which covers all Sansha ships. Please tell your devs to post useful/important information like this on the official forums as well as unofficial avenues. It's pretty ridiculous that you have to hunt through reddit comments for dev posts to find stuff like this out. Sorry you didn't hear about it from here. I just checked the forum now. @CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters

Laendra Universalis Imperium The Bastion 74	Posted - 2015.08.21 20:49:13 - [15] - Quote At what point will some of the great player artists going to be able to start creating custom SKINs to sell?
Almake'a Blast Pale Moonlight 0	Posted - 2015.08.21 22:06:23 - [16] - Quote yet more skins released for ships..yet still not seeing a t3, bit of a joke
M1k3y Koontz Respawn Disabled Initiative Mercenaries 784	Posted - 2015.08.21 22:53:27 - [17] - Quote Almake'a Blast wrote: yet more skins released for ships..yet still not seeing a t3, bit of a joke I would love a Blue Tiger or Thukker skin for the Loki (pretty much the only ship I'll skin other than a capital, these things are fairly expensive to be buying for an individual ship that will be phased out in 6 months ), but I'm thinking the mix of subsystems means they're tougher to skin. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Max Kolonko WATAHA. Unseen Wolves 536	Posted - 2015.08.21 23:28:12 - [18] - Quote Laendra wrote: At what point will some of the great player artists going to be able to start creating custom SKINs to sell? Time to penis in 3... 2.... 1.... Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?
Kieron VonDeux 70	Posted - 2015.08.21 23:40:41 - [19] - Quote Hendrink Collie wrote: Honestly the red hulls are kinda ugly. However, the Valklear Glory is fairly sharp, I wouldn't spend actually money on them but those skins are not bad.... but where you hit the nail on the head is the Blue Tiger line up. Holy crap that stabber is amazing looking. Those skins were done very well. I prefer the red ones myself.
Galphii Oberon Incorporated Get Off My Lawn 332	Posted - 2015.08.22 00:09:26 - [20] - Quote Finally seeing some decent skins coming along. Hoping to see the system allow like hulls allowed to use the same skin (all typhoon hulls for example). Urge to buy... rising... must... fight it. "Wow, that internet argument completely changed my fundamental belief system," said no one, ever.
Justa Hunni State War Academy Caldari State 8	Posted - 2015.08.22 01:50:38 - [21] - Quote So judging by the increasing number of pay for skins coming out can we conclude that the free-form painting system that CCP Seagull showed at Fanfest two years ago is dead in the water? Shame really, I would prefer being able to customize things rather than get nickel and dimed to death if I want something beside the vanilla ships.
Sir Livingston Club Deadspace 350	Posted - 2015.08.22 02:33:43 - [22] - Quote I eat crayons. EVE Online videos to entertain and inspire! http://www.youtube.com/JonnyPew
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1380	Posted - 2015.08.22 04:18:07 - [23] - Quote It was all the female players saying they were going to paint up their ships ala Hello Kitty. Icelanders can't abide Hello Kitty; it is the kiss of death to them. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Kristen Andelare Abacus Industries Group Aerodyne Collective 36	Posted - 2015.08.22 05:00:21 - [24] - Quote How about you go bold? None of these new skins are all that inspiring. They are well-executed, yes, but still appear somewhat drab. Capsuleers being the flamboyant bunch of swaggering immortals that we are, We like a little more flash than the average corporate drone, religious zealot or freedom fighter. Don't be afraid to offer us bold stripes, tiger, leopard, fractal, and geometric patterns, and colors that can stand the glare of harsh lighting. You can do this. We'll love you for it.
Inovy Dacella Polarized 29	Posted - 2015.08.22 08:07:07 - [25] - Quote Will the Minmitar Sebiestor and Krusual skins return to their original color scheme in Galatea? The most expensive Minmitar skin turned green when the rust was added!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 16941	Posted - 2015.08.22 09:09:15 - [26] - Quote These look nice I guess. When are we getting corp and/or alliance logos? Or skins with colour trims that reflect alliance colours? As a technical issue, it would be pretty easy for you to implement, so what's the holdup? "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Faelune Tous Pour Un 13	Posted - 2015.08.22 11:08:31 - [27] - Quote I feel younger, this caracoid reminds me the shape and color of Eva 002 from Evangelion http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67488/1/2.png Like a space evolution of her features. Now I feel a need for the red plug-suit for myself
Dan Seavey Allier Seavy Acquisitions 38	Posted - 2015.08.22 11:57:39 - [28] - Quote Dear CCP: I want to put a W W 2 flying tigers motif on a Gnosis, or even better a German U-Boat skin. Make this dream happen and I will pour enough money into this game to reboot WOD. Swear to God. Dan Honey Never Sleeps.
Alstevar Eastern Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.08.22 12:54:52 - [29] - Quote Skins Raata Sunset, Caldari in red it's ok for me. Valklear Glory, i think it's look like a bit too much an ORE skin. Blue Tiger, finally some blue to Minmatar and Caldari ships. I think if you interchange to make the Yellow for Blue Tiger and the Golden for the Valklear Glory this can be really better. Wait, it's too late for some change isn't it ? Industrial Outfits Hephaestus Industrial Outfits, the red/white look good but the others need less white on each white placeholders. WhatGÇÖs next Can be good to have ; Tash-Murkon skins for ALL t1 Amarr ships. A golden skin to make the raven look like the old Golem. Your effective personal standings need to be higher to see the player's signature.
Ariz Black School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.08.22 16:52:00 - [30] - Quote Justa Hunni wrote: So judging by the increasing number of pay for skins coming out can we conclude that the free-form painting system that CCP Seagull showed at Fanfest two years ago is dead in the water? Shame really, I would prefer being able to customize things rather than get nickel and dimed to death if I want something beside the vanilla ships. they were showing it as an internal tool that would let their artists make lots of nice new ship skins, which they clearly are doing. it was never even mentioned that players would be able to use it.
Bentakhar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 43	Posted - 2015.08.22 22:03:28 - [31] - Quote Ariz Black wrote: Justa Hunni wrote: So judging by the increasing number of pay for skins coming out can we conclude that the free-form painting system that CCP Seagull showed at Fanfest two years ago is dead in the water? Shame really, I would prefer being able to customize things rather than get nickel and dimed to death if I want something beside the vanilla ships. they were showing it as an internal tool that would let their artists make lots of nice new ship skins, which they clearly are doing. it was never even mentioned that players would be able to use it. I'm sorry but they said soooo many times that they 'wanted to give us these controls' to 'see what we come up with' and 'give that freedom to the players' and so on. Every fanfest they say this! They showed us awesome tech demos ... and now what do we get?? ... they changed the basemap on some caldari ships from grey to red? Then all the rest of the skins are basically silver and blue (intaki, kador, eom, quafe, sanctuary and so on ...) Kind of a joke. Homeworld had a custom skin system which included , stripes, basecolor and a logo. ANY logo you wanted. and that was in the early 2000s. So disappointed by the half-assed SKIN system. So much potential. So much possibilities to make it a rich gameplay feature by involving exploration , industry and PI. Making people collect and mix pigments, create / find skin patterns, perfect them and sell them... And all we got is a 'BUY' button. It is so out of the sandbox that its not even funny.
flaming phantom T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 98	Posted - 2015.08.22 23:03:15 - [32] - Quote The Valklear Glory theme is awesome! I hope it comes out for the thrasher, wolf, svipul and/or rapier! Would definitely get some more Aurum for one of those. EDIT: to all the haters. While I could immediately agree that being able to make your own skins would be cool, I actually wouldn't like everyone making their obnoxious or inappropriate ship skins. I am find with leaving it to CCP, just make more skins available for more ships. All great men have mustaches
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 322	Posted - 2015.08.23 06:15:23 - [33] - Quote Bentakhar wrote: I'm sorry but they said soooo many times that they 'wanted to give us these controls' to 'see what we come up with' and 'give that freedom to the players' and so on. Every fanfest they say this! They showed us awesome tech demos ... and now what do we get?? ... they changed the basemap on some caldari ships from grey to red? Then all the rest of the skins are basically silver and blue (intaki, kador, eom, quafe, sanctuary and so on ...) Kind of a joke. Homeworld had a custom skin system which included , stripes, basecolor and a logo. ANY logo you wanted. and that was in the early 2000s. So disappointed by the half-assed SKIN system. So much potential. So much possibilities to make it a rich gameplay feature by involving exploration , industry and PI. Making people collect and mix pigments, create / find skin patterns, perfect them and sell them... And all we got is a 'BUY' button. It is so out of the sandbox that its not even funny. Exactly what I'm thinking about whole SKIN system. They not made by players. It's good there are corporation skins with corp logos made by devs, but I want to paint hulls my way. I want caldari colours stratios with navy camo. This what I called custom skin. I understand there are money in whole system to be made, it's business after all, but can we divide ingame corporations skins from player made ones? No matter how you called new skins line, designers or not, players have zero impact how they look. "-What are you doing?" "-Docking."(...) -"It's not possible" -"No, it's necessary."
Rat Scout Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2015.08.23 08:28:46 - [34] - Quote Designer SKIN's for T1 ships are like GUCCI purses sold at the docks in Miami.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 4004	Posted - 2015.08.23 11:18:13 - [35] - Quote Malcanis wrote: These look nice I guess. When are we getting corp and/or alliance logos? Or skins with colour trims that reflect alliance colours? As a technical issue, it would be pretty easy for you to implement, so what's the holdup? Good luck with that, I've been waiitng the release of a dress since April 2011... 73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
FarScape III Journey On Squad 0	Posted - 2015.08.23 19:32:00 - [36] - Quote Oh no. These look like house paint? An entirley red drab ship. And blue crayon and gold spay paint? Look, just don't use dark colors like the intaki dark blue and those dark brown on the minmatar ships because you can not see them. You got lines going in any old direction etc... these are bad. Quaife is one of the best because it is a pretty shiny blue you can see too. And the Police Comet looks like one of the best AND because you can see it. Please just try starting with just one at a time, and make sure it really looks nice because these things will be around a long time. Far
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 32224	Posted - 2015.08.23 22:41:13 - [37] - Quote Yusss. I believe in you, Peter. Is there a chance you might use vanity item sales to build up a real money tournament prize pool? Items that are only available for real money directly (not AUR), and have to be redeemed directly to a character, never reaching the in-game market. ? Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 32224	Posted - 2015.08.24 02:09:13 - [38] - Quote Tournament edition SKINs, rivaling the appeal of the Serenity SKINs we can see via item lookup, or an XIV avatar background. Tournament ships themselves, if you want to let it reach market. Which I think would be a better use of those new ships, since the money from their sales would make EVE tournaments more mainstream and legitimate to outside gamers. What would tournament teams rather have, a cool unique ship, or money? And how popular do you think an Etana would be, if it was sold for money to anyone. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)

CCP Terminus C C P C C P Alliance 313	Posted - 2015.08.24 03:43:05 - [39] - Quote flaming phantom wrote: The Valklear Glory theme is awesome! I hope it comes out for the thrasher, wolf, svipul and/or rapier! Would definitely get some more Aurum for one of those. No T3 ships are getting SKINs at the moment. But everything else you mentioned should have them yes. Kristen Andelare wrote: How about you go bold? None of these new skins are all that inspiring. They are well-executed, yes, but still appear somewhat drab. Capsuleers being the flamboyant bunch of swaggering immortals that we are, We like a little more flash than the average corporate drone, religious zealot or freedom fighter. Don't be afraid to offer us bold stripes, tiger, leopard, fractal, and geometric patterns, and colors that can stand the glare of harsh lighting. You can do this. We'll love you for it. We're basically waiting on tech for that sort of stuff. The art requirements of the new structures do have a bit to do with the delays. Inovy Dacella wrote: Will the Minmitar Sebiestor and Krusual skins return to their original color scheme in Galatea? The most expensive Minmitar skin turned green when the rust was added! As far as I know, and don;t quote me, they are being fixed up a bit in the next patch. I haven't checked but you should be able to see if they've changed or not on sisi. @CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters

Sp3ktr3 Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.08.24 04:11:42 - [40] - Quote I was really excited to see the Raata Sunset SKINs, and was looking forward to buying one for my Navy Raven. Then I realized these seem to be T1 only. Will these be coming for the Navy hulls as well? If not I'll be extremely disappointed.

CCP Terminus C C P C C P Alliance 313	Posted - 2015.08.24 04:15:31 - [41] - Quote Sp3ktr3 wrote: I was really excited to see the Raata Sunset SKINs, and was looking forward to buying one for my Navy Raven. Then I realized these seem to be T1 only. Will these be coming for the Navy hulls as well? If not I'll be extremely disappointed. We would like to get them out for the Navy and T2 hulls, but there have been some delays, so for now it's T1 only. @CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters

Max Kolonko WATAHA. Unseen Wolves 537	Posted - 2015.08.24 10:01:17 - [42] - Quote CCP Terminus from my point of view the end-game for skins would be corporate skins/alliance skinns that all corp/alliance members can use on all ships. I'm talking about skins made by players using generator similar to corp logo that would also have corp/alliance logo in certain points. I know Time To Penis is a thing, that's why I would limit it to simple designer like the one used for corp logo. Is there any chance we can see something like this in the future? Or at least add corp/alliance logo on top of regular skin? Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?
Madeleine Lemmont Divide et Impera DE Aeterna Anima 26	Posted - 2015.08.24 14:53:58 - [43] - Quote Thanks for the great work. There are some nice combinations of colours out there right now. They are looking great so far. But it's not my favorite combination inside. In Corp-Logo creator you have some colors given by system. I mixed a transparent or black one with red as background for an icon. It would be really great to look at the presently used corp logo color combinations, in order to create new designer or future common combinations. I'd really support black/darkred combinations. Maybe designer skins should show no or the corp-logo. If I had to pay for my logo at the ship too... so what... All icons are a game-inside preset. So it should be possible to apply them at hulls. One of my present favourites are the Khanid SKINs. I miss that look for Caldari ships a lot. The Sukuuvesta SKIN look seems to be close by. (But I don't need there logo icon. ;) ) Dark red instead of silver and voila... bought... The new industrial like look clothing is nice. Will buy one.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 1020	Posted - 2015.08.24 15:41:24 - [44] - Quote I like the clothes more than the skins, colors on them look so vibrant. On spaceships the dirt obscures every paint you place on it. You will have to make some dirt changing system and actual cleaning service for the spaceship. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú - my sandcastle ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ <=X - my yacht
Sean Crees Sean's Solo Corp 12	Posted - 2015.08.24 19:40:55 - [45] - Quote CCP Terminus wrote: Sp3ktr3 wrote: I was really excited to see the Raata Sunset SKINs, and was looking forward to buying one for my Navy Raven. Then I realized these seem to be T1 only. Will these be coming for the Navy hulls as well? If not I'll be extremely disappointed. We would like to get them out for the Navy and T2 hulls, but there have been some delays, so for now it's T1 only. I honestly can't remember the last time i flew a T1 hull. It's always T2 or faction.
Apoq Surrat Amarritus Patriotus 4	Posted - 2015.08.24 22:20:50 - [46] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: I like the clothes more than the skins, colors on them look so vibrant. On spaceships the dirt obscures every paint you place on it. You will have to make some dirt changing system and actual cleaning service for the spaceship. All you have to do to remove the dirt and see your ship 'clean' is set your shader quality to normal in the settings window. Apple MacPro dual 6-core Xeon 3.06ghz, 32gig ecc ram, SSD, 4x HD, EVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition. Running OS X Yosemite and Windows 10 Pro.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 11410	Posted - 2015.08.25 02:22:19 - [47] - Quote Sir Livingston wrote: I eat crayons. goodman yourself Malcanis wrote: These look nice I guess. When are we getting corp and/or alliance logos? Or skins with colour trims that reflect alliance colours? As a technical issue, it would be pretty easy for you to implement, so what's the holdup? also want. these are cool and all but i still want to paint them myself. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
David Semris House Semris 0	Posted - 2015.08.25 06:52:14 - [48] - Quote I-¦m so much ready to buy that skin for my Rattlesnake. But I bet it will be only for Scorpion. Tragic waste of time and talent in that case.

CCP Legion 138	Posted - 2015.08.25 08:35:58 - [49] - Quote Personally I would love to see player designed SKINs, corp logos on ships/stations and all kinds of more advanced skins as well as customized sounds and engine trails and other bells and whistles. Unfortunately the tech isn't there yet and with all the stuff coming out like the citadels, the art guys are pretty busy, so no idea when these things might happen. Step at a time and hopefully later in the year we can talk with some certainty what is the next step for SKINs :) @CCP_Legion \| Producer

Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 324	Posted - 2015.08.25 09:03:25 - [50] - Quote CCP Legion wrote: Personally I would love to see player designed SKINs, corp logos on ships/stations and all kinds of more advanced skins as well as customized sounds and engine trails and other bells and whistles. Unfortunately the tech isn't there yet and with all the stuff coming out like the citadels, the art guys are pretty busy, so no idea when these things might happen. Step at a time and hopefully later in the year we can talk with some certainty what is the next step for SKINs :) Stop teasing, it's never going to happen. CCP is making money on them. Why would I buy designer raven skin when I could make one? Why would I ever buy a paint job that costs few times more than T1 hull itself? More important thing: where are new explosions? "-What are you doing?" "-Docking."(...) -"It's not possible" -"No, it's necessary."
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 32226	Posted - 2015.08.25 09:20:56 - [51] - Quote I was enjoying the silence after that reasonable dev statement. It lasted not even 30 mins. Thanks. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Max Kolonko WATAHA. Unseen Wolves 544	Posted - 2015.08.25 09:43:19 - [52] - Quote Jeremiah Saken wrote: CCP Legion wrote: Personally I would love to see player designed SKINs, corp logos on ships/stations and all kinds of more advanced skins as well as customized sounds and engine trails and other bells and whistles. Unfortunately the tech isn't there yet and with all the stuff coming out like the citadels, the art guys are pretty busy, so no idea when these things might happen. Step at a time and hopefully later in the year we can talk with some certainty what is the next step for SKINs :) Stop teasing, it's never going to happen. CCP is making money on them. Why would I buy designer raven skin when I could make one? Why would I ever buy a paint job that costs few times more than T1 hull itself? More important thing: where are new explosions? who said it would be free to make one? Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 324	Posted - 2015.08.25 09:56:10 - [53] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: I was enjoying the silence after that reasonable dev statement. It lasted not even 30 mins. Thanks. as he wrote CCP Legion wrote: Personally... Personally, not CCP will do it. Personally I would love all things that art guys are showing us on fafest be already in the game. Personally... Max Kolonko wrote: who said it would be free to make one? Nobody. I expect they will be some price for make one. Not as much as today skins because they are overpriced, a lot. It's starting to resemble WoW. They have mounts we have skins... "-What are you doing?" "-Docking."(...) -"It's not possible" -"No, it's necessary."
Bentakhar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2015.08.25 10:31:46 - [54] - Quote CCP Legion wrote: Personally I would love to see player designed SKINs, corp logos on ships/stations and all kinds of more advanced skins as well as customized sounds and engine trails and other bells and whistles. Unfortunately the tech isn't there yet and with all the stuff coming out like the citadels, the art guys are pretty busy, so no idea when these things might happen. Step at a time and hopefully later in the year we can talk with some certainty what is the next step for SKINs :) As I understand the technical complexity of applying customs SKINs on a multiplayer, online scale, there are however no technical restriction to making the SKINs more tied to ingame professions. Its a shame that SKINs don't have to be manufactured, assembled, including PI / industry in this. I am not angry at the fact that SKINs are designed by CCP, in fact I bought quite a few of them , I am just sad that the 'buy' button is sooo immersion-breaking in a game were all the economy and most of the action is player based. It seems like a huge step in the wrong direction. (On a side note i feel the same way about avatar clothes... they should be assembled on planets using polytextiles and race specific components... there are so many useless industry items that could be made meaningfull...) I wanted to see red planetary pigment shortage as the Rataa Sunset SKINs were made available! tl;dr What is bugging me is that the SKINs feature is completely outside of our beloved sandbox.
BigNarna Bent Yellow 0	Posted - 2015.08.25 13:44:13 - [55] - Quote While the red seems a nothing but a 'repaint that grey' idea. I realised it was perfect! : Sadly not all the listed skins are there, these ones seem to be missing (and were on your list) Badger Raata Sunset SKIN (Permanent) Tayra Raata Sunset SKIN (Permanent) My Badger - the "Flying Brick" would be PERFECT in that red. I'd even fork out for it, but these hulls do not show them as an option under 'available skins'. What happened?
Ben Zaye Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2015.08.25 14:07:24 - [56] - Quote My 2 cents, - The price of a skin should not exceed the price of the ship, because it's not logical. (Example : T1 Drake Raata Sunset skin = 699 millions isk = Stupid price! and the price for T1 Drake in 56 m ) - For a good gang effect, some skins should be available in all races. - The Golem Kaalakiota skin is still as ugly. There are too many scratches and dust on the ship. In addition, the ship's definition is of poor quality.- - Raata Sunset skin = ordinary quality and disproportionate price. The Drake's skin is too orange. Ferox skin is better. - In general I am not impressed ! and I am rather disappointed. - Give me a paint bucket and a paintbrush that I can do myself my own skin. This is what had been requested by the players
Bentakhar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2015.08.25 14:17:24 - [57] - Quote Why are the designer SKINs more expensive than faction ones? You were heading to a decent and -more importantly- coherent pricing ... seriously what is wrong with you CCP? The regular SKINs are expensive enough!!! Now for more technical stuff, the innerzone shiping domi displays what is obviously an interbus domi (in the store i mean). And all the bundle images display the old dominix model.

CCP Terminus C C P C C P Alliance 315	Posted - 2015.08.25 14:28:23 - [58] - Quote Max Kolonko wrote: CCP Terminus from my point of view the end-game for skins would be corporate skins/alliance skins that all corp/alliance members can use on all ships. I'm talking about skins made by players using generator similar to corp logo that would also have corp/alliance logo in certain points. I know Time To Penis is a thing, that's why I would limit it to simple designer like the one used for corp logo. Is there any chance we can see something like this in the future? Or at least add corp/alliance logo on top of regular skin? These are all, to one degree or another, things we would like to do going in to the future. We would like to get corp logos on to ships, that's an art thing and they have their own priorities. We would like to have corp-wide SKINs at some point. We (or at least I) would like to have player made SKINs, using a system similar to how Valve does their cosmetics. People would submit designs, the community would vote on them, we would then vet them (key to keeping a unified artistic visions and preventing Time To Penis) and if they passed would make it into the game as a purchasable SKIN. That SKIN could theoretically be for a whole corp, etc. @CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters

Nana Skalski Poseidaon 1069	Posted - 2015.08.25 14:29:35 - [59] - Quote CCP Legion wrote: Personally I would love to see player designed SKINs, corp logos on ships/stations and all kinds of more advanced skins as well as customized sounds and engine trails and other bells and whistles. Unfortunately the tech isn't there yet and with all the stuff coming out like the citadels, the art guys are pretty busy, so no idea when these things might happen. Step at a time and hopefully later in the year we can talk with some certainty what is the next step for SKINs :) Corporation skins. PLEX. Corp logos. Add and stir. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú - my sandcastle ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ <=X - my yacht
Max Kolonko WATAHA. Unseen Wolves 545	Posted - 2015.08.25 14:52:49 - [60] - Quote CCP Terminus wrote: Max Kolonko wrote: CCP Terminus from my point of view the end-game for skins would be corporate skins/alliance skins that all corp/alliance members can use on all ships. I'm talking about skins made by players using generator similar to corp logo that would also have corp/alliance logo in certain points. I know Time To Penis is a thing, that's why I would limit it to simple designer like the one used for corp logo. Is there any chance we can see something like this in the future? Or at least add corp/alliance logo on top of regular skin? These are all, to one degree or another, things we would like to do going in to the future. We would like to get corp logos on to ships, that's an art thing and they have their own priorities. We would like to have corp-wide SKINs at some point. We (or at least I) would like to have player made SKINs, using a system similar to how Valve does their cosmetics. People would submit designs, the community would vote on them, we would then vet them (key to keeping a unified artistic visions and preventing Time To Penis) and if they passed would make it into the game as a purchasable SKIN. That SKIN could theoretically be for a whole corp, etc. One can only hope and dream :) Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3630	Posted - 2015.08.25 15:50:52 - [61] - Quote Max Kolonko wrote: Jeremiah Saken wrote: CCP Legion wrote: Personally I would love to see player designed SKINs, corp logos on ships/stations and all kinds of more advanced skins as well as customized sounds and engine trails and other bells and whistles. Unfortunately the tech isn't there yet and with all the stuff coming out like the citadels, the art guys are pretty busy, so no idea when these things might happen. Step at a time and hopefully later in the year we can talk with some certainty what is the next step for SKINs :) Stop teasing, it's never going to happen. CCP is making money on them. Why would I buy designer raven skin when I could make one? Why would I ever buy a paint job that costs few times more than T1 hull itself? More important thing: where are new explosions? who said it would be free to make one? Right. My suggestion: 1. CCP releases the tools that allow us to design stuff. (That's the big effort needed by CCP). 2. Player designs something. Ship skin, clothing, decorations for CQ, etc. 3. Player submits the design to CCP for consideration, along with PLEX. The PLEX is to pay CCP for their time vetting the item. This is to insure the item is in the spirit of EVE, and to handle the TTP issue. 4. If approved, CCP gives the player one BPO for the item. Additional BPOs can be obtained by the designer for additional PLEX. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Miriena Big Johnson's P I R A T 11	Posted - 2015.08.25 18:21:16 - [62] - Quote I sure do like the addition of non-lackluster SKINs to Minmatar and Caldari ships! However, I would like to complain about the overabundance of blue SKINs. There are so many that are basically just some shade of blue and with pretty minimal (IMO) distinction between them. E.g. Kador and EoM look really similar. The gold accents on the new Blue Tiger SKINs are nice, but again, it's a predominantly blue SKIN... Wouldn't it be nice to introduce some tasty apple or grass green SKINs? I'm probably biased by my place of residence, but the only recognizably green choice at this time (Ardishapur) reminds me of the color of Canadian goose droppings on sidewalks. Or some kind of lush-looking purple, so that one feels like a Roman emperor wrapped in luxury while traversing the skies? I'm not even talking about lightning bolt or zebra stripe patterns, just more... not blue. So many colors and you chose to be blue.
Zimmy Zeta Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 59482	Posted - 2015.08.25 19:31:55 - [63] - Quote So I've been asking for Sharkmouth Paintjobs for about 5 years now, in every single goddamn thread dealing with ship skins I have posted some pictures of aircraft with sharkmouths...but never have I gotten any official response. I'm slowly running out of pictures to post (nah, just kidding here is another one for you) so, please, after all those years, could I for once get an official dev reply: Are sharkmouths technically even possible or would the current system not support them? (on a completely unrelated note, while reading this thread, I kept hearing this Rolling Stones song in my head: I see a Blackhawk and I want to paint it red....) I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
BigNarna Bent Yellow 0	Posted - 2015.08.25 22:59:27 - [64] - Quote Miriena wrote: Wouldn't it be nice to introduce some tasty apple or grass green SKINs? Definitely agree. A range of insanely green green. And a lime just for good measure!
Krystyn Serenity Rising LLC 404 Alliance Not Found 209	Posted - 2015.08.26 00:15:36 - [65] - Quote BigNarna wrote: Miriena wrote: Wouldn't it be nice to introduce some tasty apple or grass green SKINs? Definitely agree. A range of insanely green green. And a lime just for good measure! Hot Pink!!!

CCP Legion 141	Posted - 2015.08.26 10:09:42 - [66] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: So I've been asking for Sharkmouth Paintjobs for about 5 years now, in every single goddamn thread dealing with ship skins I have posted some pictures of aircraft with sharkmouths...but never have I gotten any official response. I'm slowly running out of pictures to post (nah, just kidding here is another one for you) so, please, after all those years, could I for once get an official dev reply: Are sharkmouths technically even possible or would the current system not support them? Currently we don't have the tech to do something like this without a (too) huge amount of work per ship. However being able to put on this kind of projections onto ships is something I am pushing for. How exactly they will play out or when this will happen, no idea yet. @CCP_Legion \| Producer

Bentakhar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2015.08.26 12:16:41 - [67] - Quote Dear DEVs, you are expertedly dodging my comments and choosing to ignore them. I personnaly find that both amusing and sadly so predictable. I guess you don't care to comment on why the designer SKINs are more expensive than others? I guess you don't care to explain why some frigate SKINs still cost as much as Dread SKINs I guess you don't care to comment on the fact that the 'buy' button is a bit out of the sandbox and that SKINs would be more interesting if they involved some other professions. Even in the SKINs pilot program, they had to be built using a blueprint. I guess you don't care to comment on the fact that SKINs are ship specific and not hull specific or even class specific. I'm not gonna bother anymore actually. Its just disappointing. In the last few years you have failed to deliver a completely , fully done feature (PI, FW, SKINs, WIS, Tech3) but rest assured; most of the gaming industry is now this way with DLCs that make up for lacking initial content. Your Artists and devs are always working on something new that is gonna end up deployed about halfway done and never iterated on again. Saying this i'm gonna unsub and i'll be keeping an eye on the forums to see how things go from here. Eve is a great game in most of its core aspects. Sadly you keep adding more mechanics on top that are not polished enough. And when you ask for real money in return , on top of what we already pay monthly , that just doesnt work for me. tl;dr you're half-assing and i'll be off for a while. No you cannot have my stuff
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 32238	Posted - 2015.08.26 12:26:23 - [68] - Quote Two hours of peace. We're getting better, c'monnn Seabiscuit. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Zimmy Zeta Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 59506	Posted - 2015.08.26 13:17:08 - [69] - Quote CCP Legion wrote: Zimmy Zeta wrote: So I've been asking for Sharkmouth Paintjobs for about 5 years now, in every single goddamn thread dealing with ship skins I have posted some pictures of aircraft with sharkmouths...but never have I gotten any official response. I'm slowly running out of pictures to post (nah, just kidding here is another one for you) so, please, after all those years, could I for once get an official dev reply: Are sharkmouths technically even possible or would the current system not support them? Currently we don't have the tech to do something like this without a (too) huge amount of work per ship. However being able to put on this kind of projections onto ships is something I am pushing for. How exactly they will play out or when this will happen, no idea yet. Thank you very much for clearing these things up, Legion. Does this mean I can stop posting sharkmouths for now or should I continue, just so you guys don't lose track of the goal? I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 325	Posted - 2015.08.26 13:17:11 - [70] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Two hours of peace. We're getting better, c'monnn Seabiscuit. Sorry was AFK a bit. That discount on Bantam skin!!! I'm speechless let's put some red colour on hulls and make them cost few hundred million ISK because "designers"...People really fall for them? CCP Legion wrote: Currently we don't have the tech to do something like this without a (too) huge amount of work per ship. However being able to put on this kind of projections onto ships is something I am pushing for. How exactly they will play out or when this will happen, no idea yet. How to not like you? At least you honestly wrote what is the state of SKIN system. "-What are you doing?" "-Docking."(...) -"It's not possible" -"No, it's necessary."
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 8688	Posted - 2015.08.26 15:08:02 - [71] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: CCP Legion wrote: Zimmy Zeta wrote: So I've been asking for Sharkmouth Paintjobs for about 5 years now, in every single goddamn thread dealing with ship skins I have posted some pictures of aircraft with sharkmouths...but never have I gotten any official response. I'm slowly running out of pictures to post (nah, just kidding here is another one for you) so, please, after all those years, could I for once get an official dev reply: Are sharkmouths technically even possible or would the current system not support them? Currently we don't have the tech to do something like this without a (too) huge amount of work per ship. However being able to put on this kind of projections onto ships is something I am pushing for. How exactly they will play out or when this will happen, no idea yet. Thank you very much for clearing these things up, Legion. Does this mean I can stop posting sharkmouths for now or should I continue, just so you guys don't lose track of the goal? It would look probably like that. If it would be a thing anyhow. Custom ship skins \| Since 2014 \| Character creator style "repaint" \| Bring back the dream

CCP Terminus C C P C C P Alliance 317	Posted - 2015.08.26 17:25:48 - [72] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: So I've been asking for Sharkmouth Paintjobs for about 5 years now, in every single goddamn thread dealing with ship skins I have posted some pictures of aircraft with sharkmouths...but never have I gotten any official response. I'm slowly running out of pictures to post (nah, just kidding here is another one for you) so, please, after all those years, could I for once get an official dev reply: Are sharkmouths technically even possible or would the current system not support them? (on a completely unrelated note, while reading this thread, I kept hearing this Rolling Stones song in my head: I see a Blackhawk and I want to paint it red....) Shark mouths might be possible with projection. I doubt we would make them, and if we did it wouldn't be for a while. @CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters


CCP Terminus C C P C C P Alliance 317	Posted - 2015.08.26 18:11:12 - [73] - Quote Bentakhar wrote: Dear DEVs, you are expertedly dodging my comments and choosing to ignore them. I personnaly find that both amusing and sadly so predictable. I'll try to reply to your comments in order: Bentakhar wrote: I guess you don't care to comment on why the designer SKINs are more expensive than others? We priced the initial SKINs based on how good we thought they looked, and to cover multiple price categories when a ship had multiple SKINs. As filled out some of the SKIN lines we reduced or increased the costs of existing SKINs from that line to make them most consistent. Bentakhar wrote: I guess you don't care to explain why some frigate SKINs still cost as much as Dread SKINs Frigate skins used to be cheaper than skins for larger ships, because they were expected to be lost more often, as the old skins were only good for a single ship. This is no longer the case, so why would we "tax" larger ships by making their SKINs cost more simply because the ship is bigger. Bentakhar wrote: I guess you don't care to comment on the fact that the 'buy' button is a bit out of the sandbox and that SKINs would be more interesting if they involved some other professions. Even in the SKINs pilot program, they had to be built using a blueprint. The skins pilot was a failure because the skins were too large of a hassle to manufacture and distribute, and it wasn't worth paying Aurum/ISK to skin a ship you would probably lose anyway. We chose the simplest and most straightforward system in the redesign to avoid these issues. It's easy to access and purchase SKINs, and there is no fear that your cosmetic choices will cost you a recurring Aurum/ISK fee. Now this isn't to say some SKINs couldn't be integrated in to the game in the future. We have existing examples of SKINs as LP store items and loot drops. There is no technical reason we couldn't have manufacturable SKINs in the future if we feel that is a valuable undertaking for the company and for the players. Bentakhar wrote: I guess you don't care to comment on the fact that SKINs are ship specific and not hull specific or even class specific. All of the new hulls for T2 versions of ships have model differences from the base ship, and this trend should continue in to the future. The roles of the ship between T1 and T2 can sometimes be completely different as well, meaning you usually don't fly multiple ships of the "same hull". Why charge people for a SKIN that works on 2-3 ships if they only use 1 variant. In addition, what do you consider the "same hull"? Is a Bhaalgorn the same hull as an Armageddon/Navy Issue/Redeemer? What if in the future the Blood Raiders get their own completely different ship hulls? Would it keep the old skins even though the model is no longer the same? How many legacy SKINs and QA would we have to do to keep track of all of that over the years? One SKIN for one Ship simplifies this in many cases. Where it makes sense, we will do SKINs which work on multiple hulls, or for a whole class/race, but these will usually not be the norm for the foreseeable future. Bentakhar wrote: In the last few years you have failed to deliver a completely , fully done feature (PI, FW, SKINs, WIS, Tech3) but rest assured; most of the gaming industry is now this way with DLCs that make up for lacking initial content. I would consider the SKINs feature to be pretty finished. There are more artistic features we would like to roll out in the future, but the codebase has barely been touched since the SKINs feature launched. I can't comment on the other features you've mentioned, since I was not involved in any of them, nor was I working for CCP at the time. Bentakhar wrote: Your Artists and devs are always working on something new that is gonna end up deployed about halfway done and never iterated on again. Designer SKINs and the future projection tech are proof this isn't true, at least in relation to SKINs. Even other systems like the new sov were iterated upon with the release of Galatea this Tuesday. Bentakhar wrote: when you ask for real money in return , on top of what we already pay monthly , that just doesnt work for me. That was the whole reason we wanted the new SKINs to be tradeable in the market, so that players would have an ISK alternative if they could not afford to directly purchase a SKIN. We think the ISK costs for SKINs cover a large price range at the moment, from under 1 million ISK for 30 day SKINs (which are stackable) to multiple billion for the rarer SKINs which cannot be bought from the NES. In addition we made sure this system was not tied to a gameplay advantage in any way, to prevent a pay-to-win scenario. Overall I would say the SKIN system has been a success, providing additional, entirely optional revenue for CCP, while delivering a well received feature which has made many players happy. We will continue to iterate and expand on this system going in to the future, and constructive feedback is always welcome in improving what we have. I hope that answered some of your questions. @CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters

Zappity Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 2440	Posted - 2015.08.26 20:02:41 - [74] - Quote Could we please have a window-in-window feature so we can see a close up of our ship while in zoomed out tactical view? I like seeing my ship but rarely do so. It would be useful for seeing ship effects, too. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 32239	Posted - 2015.08.26 21:46:55 - [75] - Quote Sharks aren't canon! Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)

CCP Terminus C C P C C P Alliance 322	Posted - 2015.08.26 22:08:16 - [76] - Quote Zappity wrote: Could we please have a window-in-window feature so we can see a close up of our ship while in zoomed out tactical view? I like seeing my ship but rarely do so. It would be useful for seeing ship effects, too. I've heard some talk about it around the office, although I think it's been talked about for a while now. It's definitely not completely out of the picture as something we could do. @CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters

TheMercenaryKing Ultimatum. The Bastion 361	Posted - 2015.08.26 22:26:06 - [77] - Quote CCP Terminus wrote: Zappity wrote: Could we please have a window-in-window feature so we can see a close up of our ship while in zoomed out tactical view? I like seeing my ship but rarely do so. It would be useful for seeing ship effects, too. I've heard some talk about it around the office, although I think it's been talked about for a while now. It's definitely not completely out of the picture as something we could do. What I would love to see is the ability to change the background in the ship preview. This way I can see what the paint looks like under different lighting conditions. For example, A ship has a dark background in the preview and looks dark green/gray, in another light the ship looks blue. Some of the minmatar ships turn brown to gray and poor lighting does not help you decide to buy the paint.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 32239	Posted - 2015.08.26 23:25:52 - [78] - Quote Instead of PIP what about the holographic ship model seen on the CQ coffee table? For locked targets as well. Strip away the space background, engine trails, explosions... just the holographic model to show orientation. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
CPPC T'amber 352 Industries 0	Posted - 2015.08.27 02:01:37 - [79] - Quote Will there be a dev blog on your new sof materials system? I'm sure everyone would love to know what you are now able to do, and what has allowed you to do these new skins :) Nice work CCP team. :3
NekoKitten Neko Industry 'n' PvE Apocalypse Now. 47	Posted - 2015.08.27 02:18:50 - [80] - Quote Seriously these 'designer' skins for Caldari ships are just the green unpronouncable skins recolored. Theres no special designer made effort at all. Well done on the 'low effort max profit' 'greed is good'-factor.
FarScape III Journey On Squad 0	Posted - 2015.08.27 13:22:44 - [81] - Quote Think about it, would you paint your car this way? I might paint a barn that color red but not a car or spaceship. Did u give your artist's 2 hours to make these skins? because I would hate to think they could not do better after their first run. Please let them make some nicer looking SKINS next time, please? And you who are saying these skins are good, are you so willing to settle for these? Think about color usage next time and aesthetics etc... I'm not trying to be mean here, I'm honestly trying to help. Far
Ben Fenix Net Neutrality 17	Posted - 2015.08.27 16:00:01 - [82] - Quote How about some better user interfaces for our eyes? 50% of the game is spent with brackets and menu's. Just saying... Capital Ships Matter !
Bentakhar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2015.08.27 16:54:11 - [83] - Quote Thank you for taking the time to answer me. I wish we didn't have to be provocative to get an answer on these forums (oh sorry i'm doing it again! ) Moving on I'll comment on you reply in the same order aswell. But the forums won't let me quote the entire thing so i'll summarize at best. PRICING Pricing SKINs according to how good CCP thinks they look is an incredibly surprising and terribad idea. Imagine if cars of varying colors had different pricing matching the builder's taste. Anyway... I'm glad you diverted from that. Then the pricing started to get consistent which was good. And designer SKINs are consistent aswell but more expensive than regular SKINs... why? DO NOT tell me they take more time to do (I do renderings and concept art for a living and the Designer SKINs that were released so far were NOT a lot of work) You say frigate SKINs were cheaper because they were gonna be lost more often? SKINs are permanent now. And the Aliastra Incursus SKIN still costs 4300 Aurum for a SKIN that actually changed from awesome-looking to incredibly dull! I 'm ready to bet the SKIN that took the most work adjusting so far is the caracal nughoeivy SKIN (the orange funky camo). But that should not make it more expensive. SHIP HULLS When I talk about multiple hulls I mean that I find the fact that the Dominix and Navy Dominix require two seperate SKINs is close to extorsion. I know you are planning to have variants for each TII hull (soon). As far as the Bhaalgorn and Serpentis ships are concerned I can't wait for them to get different hulls. If I were you I really wouldn't point that out ;) Thats why I would find it more consistent that SKINs were categorized like spaceship command skills: Caldari Frigate RATAA SUNSET SKIN Caldari Cruiser RATAA SUNSET SKIN Caldari Command Ship RATAA SUNSET SKIN Mining Barge SANCTUARY SKIN Exhumer GURISTAS SKIN etc... Of course that's less cash for CCP and thats really the key I guess. Quote:* Why charge people for a SKIN that works on 2-3 ships if they only use 1 variant. Really???? Using that very logic you should make it that every different ship requires a different skill! "currently training navitas lvl4" awesome stuff! IMMERSION You say the SKIN system is a "complete feature". If you like, but it is horribly immersion breaking in a game with real player driven economy and that will remain disappointing. It's just a "BUY" button when it could have been so much more. It could have bridged some gaps between some of the profession while creating new opportunities and it doesn't. Thats a shame. PLAYER FEEDBACK You say the players are really happy about the SKINs systems. Not much surprise here! SKINs were already a recurring subject when I started playing in 2007. So such a long expected feature could really not fail completely. And don't get me wrong some, of the SKINs are great. There are a few inconsistencies that are the result of a progressive deployment of this feature that need fixing badly, and then, sadly quite a lot of greed from CCP that resulted in some really weird decisions. Add to that the fact that you have been teasing us with SKINs since forever (images of a dozen variants of scorpions, of tornados etc, tech demos which allowed full customization, corp logos etc...) and so far we have none or very little of that. If SKINs are a "complete feature" as you say, it is not the feature you advertised and it is absolutely below most people's expectations.
Edward Olmops DUST Expeditionary Team Good Sax 313	Posted - 2015.08.27 20:46:06 - [84] - Quote CCP Terminus wrote: Zappity wrote: Could we please have a window-in-window feature so we can see a close up of our ship while in zoomed out tactical view? I like seeing my ship but rarely do so. It would be useful for seeing ship effects, too. I've heard some talk about it around the office, although I think it's been talked about for a while now. It's definitely not completely out of the picture as something we could do. Oh yes please. I always wanted this. Lasers and stuff exploding on my ship. I usually fight while having the camera zoomed in which is really bad because you lose all overview and orientation. Might also be cool for enemy ships. Doubleclick/whatever own HUD or locked targets to get a/transform into a small (possibly circular) window that shows a ship with skin and effects??
Drago Shouna Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 285	Posted - 2015.08.28 09:04:49 - [85] - Quote The Rataa Sunset ones, i'm sorry but they look terrible.
Bentakhar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 46	Posted - 2015.08.28 09:07:46 - [86] - Quote Drago Shouna wrote: The Rataa Sunset ones, i'm sorry but they look terrible. On some hulls it works fine... The Corax for example but thats because the base Corax already has some nice striping going on ... But on the capitals its awful ... The RAATA Leviathan looks like something a 4 year old built out of red Legos.
Akira Kata Goggles Inc. 2	Posted - 2015.08.28 15:13:38 - [87] - Quote Jeremiah Saken wrote: CCP Legion wrote: Personally I would love to see player designed SKINs, corp logos on ships/stations and all kinds of more advanced skins as well as customized sounds and engine trails and other bells and whistles. Unfortunately the tech isn't there yet and with all the stuff coming out like the citadels, the art guys are pretty busy, so no idea when these things might happen. Step at a time and hopefully later in the year we can talk with some certainty what is the next step for SKINs :) Stop teasing, it's never going to happen. CCP is making money on them. Why would I buy designer raven skin when I could make one? Why would I ever buy a paint job that costs few times more than T1 hull itself? More important thing: where are new explosions? In subscription games, time is money... if we had to be logged in while developing our own custom skins with in-game tools, CCP might make more than selling individual skins as they do now.
Bentakhar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 48	Posted - 2015.08.28 15:22:05 - [88] - Quote Akira Kata wrote: In subscription games, time is money... if we had to be logged in while developing our own custom skins with in-game tools, CCP might make more than selling individual skins as they do now. Excatly ... Besides, the skill(s) required for using the Custom painting interface could be an item sold in the store . I'd pay aurum / real cash for that !
Akira Kata Goggles Inc. 3	Posted - 2015.08.28 15:36:44 - [89] - Quote Bentakhar wrote: Akira Kata wrote: In subscription games, time is money... if we had to be logged in while developing our own custom skins with in-game tools, CCP might make more than selling individual skins as they do now. Excatly ... Besides, the skill(s) required for using the Custom painting interface could be an item sold in the store . I'd pay aurum / real cash for that ! Hmm... careful what we ask for- until you've trained to level 5 on a plethora of design and painting skills, your skins look bad and peel off the hull at speeds faster than 2 AU/S Seriously though, training skin skills would mean even more time in spent in EVE.
Bentakhar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 48	Posted - 2015.08.28 15:36:51 - [90] - Quote Akira Kata wrote: In subscription games, time is money... if we had to be logged in while developing our own custom skins with in-game tools, CCP might make more than selling individual skins as they do now. Excatly ... Besides, the skill(s) required for using the Custom painting interface could be an item sold in the store . I'd pay aurum / real cash for that EDIT : DOUBLE POST PLZ REMOVE (sorry)
Dersen Lowery Scanners Live in Vain 1737	Posted - 2015.08.28 17:42:08 - [91] - Quote Bentakhar wrote: Pricing SKINs according to how good CCP thinks they look is an incredibly surprising and terribad idea. Imagine if cars of varying colors had different pricing matching the builder's taste. So... you haven't even spec'd out a new car in the last three decades or so? Because this is exactly what they do. Some colors are exclusive to trim levels, too. It's not just cars, either. You're complaining about something that RL corporations have done for decades. There has never been a shortage of people who will pay extra for looks, or for exclusivity, or for luxury. SKINs are luxury items. If you don't want to pay a premium price for a premium skin, don't. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. I voted in CSM X!
FT Diomedes The Graduates Get Off My Lawn 1659	Posted - 2015.08.29 10:20:58 - [92] - Quote CCP Terminus wrote: Zappity wrote: Could we please have a window-in-window feature so we can see a close up of our ship while in zoomed out tactical view? I like seeing my ship but rarely do so. It would be useful for seeing ship effects, too. I've heard some talk about it around the office, although I think it's been talked about for a while now. It's definitely not completely out of the picture as something we could do. This would be awesome! If I could have a view of my ship in a window about the same size as the view in the fitting window (or a little smaller), that would be great. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here? I'm stubborn.
Freelancer117 So you want to be a Hero 324	Posted - 2015.09.01 18:08:54 - [93] - Quote I challenge you to use this SKIN for all scorpion variant hulls http://img13.deviantart.net/8beb/i/2007/346/8/f/another_nod_logo_i_done_by_adder24.jpg Regards, a Freelancer The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans. http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
Arthur Aihaken Chig 4611	Posted - 2015.09.01 19:17:33 - [94] - Quote So with the release of the Valklear SKINs which extend to Minmatar T2 hulls, will we be seeing an update to the Raata Sunset SKINs to include Caldari T2 hulls as well? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Sp3ktr3 Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.09.01 21:35:27 - [95] - Quote I wouldn't count on getting the rest of the Raata Sunset skins. Just another half-assed, half-finished feature.
Dersen Lowery Scanners Live in Vain 1745	Posted - 2015.09.02 00:28:52 - [96] - Quote I want to take the Valklear Breacher home as a pet. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. I voted in CSM X!
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1577	Posted - 2015.09.02 23:04:51 - [97] - Quote Of the Valklear set am I just missing the option for navy BSs or are they not present? In the BS bundle I see T1 and 2 but no faction.
Krughor Khan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.09.03 05:33:39 - [98] - Quote Theres one thing I think it would be nice for CCP to do. They could add an option for fw militia members to freely shift it's current ship skin to the one of the militia. It doesnt make much sense for a caldari pilot to fly with the gallentean eagle or with some tribal marking just because he prefers to fly ships of the opposite faction. This could also only work while inside the militia. That way CCP retains the ability to capitalize on most of the other ship skins as they see fit (altough the ideal would be completely free player customization). Even if its just the logo, it could be a good starting test for future implementations.
Soldarius Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 1376	Posted - 2015.09.05 20:34:33 - [99] - Quote Went to sisi to check these out. Designer skins are not available for tactical destroyers or strategic cruisers. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 3075	Posted - 2015.09.06 05:05:09 - [100] - Quote Dev Blog wrote: Soon after the Galatea release you will be able to acquire a complete outfit, offered in various colors which also match the new Designer SKIN lines and are available for both males and females. When will these be getting released? I don't want to sound pushy but it soon after the release. If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 32265	Posted - 2015.09.06 06:42:31 - [101] - Quote ESPECIALLY THOSE SHOES WHAAAAT http://imgur.com/a/3yDih these heels are killing me, and there's no way I'm wearing any of that default ****. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 4073	Posted - 2015.09.06 10:37:29 - [102] - Quote You know... I think CCP has open a can of worms. The positive impact of "my ship got a new SKIN!" is struggling with the negative impact of "guess what, still no bloody SKIN for my ship". I've 6900 AUR ready to buy a SKIN... if I ever find one that: a) I like it b) is available for the race ships I fly c) actually is avalable for exactly the ship I'd like to see in that SKIN (clue: I fly T2, so...) I wonder if SKINs are being developed based on ship popularity. The fact that the Golem (the 3rd ship more popular in the game, IIRC) hasn't got any SKIN makes me wonder this. And that's no little can of worms, with some 500 ship types, each with a SKIN to be tested for each range of SKINs... just to end up pissing everyone not gifted with a SKIN, and also turning the NES catalogue into a nightmare to browse with essentially hundreds of unusable ship SKINs for each one a player may actually use. Sooner or later, a search by name function should be added to the NES. 73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
flaming phantom T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 99	Posted - 2015.09.06 11:11:56 - [103] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: You know... I think CCP has open a can of worms. I wonder if SKINs are being developed based on ship popularity. The fact that the Golem (the 3rd ship more popular in the game, IIRC) hasn't got any SKIN makes me wonder this. And that's no little can of worms, with some 500 ship types, each with a SKIN to be tested for each range of SKINs... just to end up pissing everyone not gifted with a SKIN, and also turning the NES catalogue into a nightmare to browse with essentially hundreds of unusable ship SKINs for each one a player may actually use. Sooner or later, a search by name function should be added to the NES. Have you used the NES? There is a search function in the top-right, and if you type in "Golem", you will find that there is in fact already 2 skins for it All great men have mustaches
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 4075	Posted - 2015.09.06 13:55:31 - [104] - Quote flaming phantom wrote: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: You know... I think CCP has open a can of worms. I wonder if SKINs are being developed based on ship popularity. The fact that the Golem (the 3rd ship more popular in the game, IIRC) hasn't got any SKIN makes me wonder this. And that's no little can of worms, with some 500 ship types, each with a SKIN to be tested for each range of SKINs... just to end up pissing everyone not gifted with a SKIN, and also turning the NES catalogue into a nightmare to browse with essentially hundreds of unusable ship SKINs for each one a player may actually use. Sooner or later, a search by name function should be added to the NES. Have you used the NES? There is a search function in the top-right, and if you type in "Golem", you will find that there is in fact already 2 skins for it Ok, now I eat my hat. There are two skins for Golem and there's a search function which had gone unnoticed... 73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
Panther X High Flyers Gentlemen's.Club 103	Posted - 2015.09.10 02:10:24 - [105] - Quote CCP Legion wrote: Aebe Amraen wrote: Any word on price? If you price these higher than the normal skins because they're "designer" you'll just be screwing Caldari and Minmatar over again. Please don't do it. These will fall roughly in the middle of our existing price ranges, none of these will be more expensive than what is out there already. LIES Destoya wrote: No love for the Gallente eh? Not yet, but at some point yes :) Viktor Corgo wrote: "Available on _race_ hulls" Just to be clear -- are these SKINs one-ship skins? That is, are we still buying Valklear Glory Typhoon SKIN, Valklear Glory Rifter SKIN, etc, or are we buying a Valklear Glory SKIN that happens to work on Minmatar hulls in general? The system has not changed, these are all one-ship SKINs. I'm sorry guys. They are pretty sure, but come on...6400 aur for the wyvern? Please that is outrageous. My super smells of rich Corinthian Leather
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 348	Posted - 2015.09.10 06:11:48 - [106] - Quote Panther X wrote: I'm sorry guys. They are pretty sure, but come on...6400 aur for the wyvern? Please that is outrageous. CCP Terminus wrote: Frigate skins used to be cheaper than skins for larger ships, because they were expected to be lost more often, as the old skins were only good for a single ship. This is no longer the case, so why would we "tax" larger ships by making their SKINs cost more simply because the ship is bigger. Yup, makes sense. "-What are you doing?" "-Docking."(...) -"It's not possible" -"No, it's necessary."
marly cortez Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance 91	Posted - 2015.09.15 18:21:13 - [107] - Quote Hmmm for a Company that's struggling financially, One wonders why they are diverting scant resources to this rather petty add on which brings them little and probably no financial return at all. Own nothing, Build nothing, Plan nothing, Just blow it all up, you know it makes perfect sense, Fozzie says so.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1582	Posted - 2015.09.15 21:36:21 - [108] - Quote marly cortez wrote: Hmmm for a Company that's struggling financially, One wonders why they are diverting scant resources to this rather petty add on which brings them little and probably no financial return at all. Because the resources are trivial compared to the potential return maybe?
Hammerlock Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.09.16 06:43:44 - [109] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: marly cortez wrote: Hmmm for a Company that's struggling financially, One wonders why they are diverting scant resources to this rather petty add on which brings them little and probably no financial return at all. Because the resources are trivial compared to the potential return maybe? The have the base skins and recolor them and can do this as a batch process so it is very easy to do and not worth buying you zoom out the play game and I turned of the skin first thing. I will never buy a skin for a ship even my super, so I am not the customer. To Marly's point the question remains Why would you waste 1 second do this work because it still has to be tested, deployed seems like a waste of resources when so many other things need to be done to the game. The wise old man said, never open a lemonade stand when its 20 below zero, build a fire and charge people to stand near it. CCP needs to think about what they are selling, who they are selling it to, and what is going on with the customers of the game that have supported them for 12 years while they have burned all the money we gave into content we dont care about or on games we will never play like World of Darkness. I am for sale - Limited Time Offer - Current best bid is 45B https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6024373#post6024373
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1582	Posted - 2015.09.20 21:27:56 - [110] - Quote Hammerlock wrote: The have the base skins and recolor them and can do this as a batch process so it is very easy to do and not worth buying you zoom out the play game and I turned of the skin first thing. I will never buy a skin for a ship even my super, so I am not the customer. To Marly's point the question remains Why would you waste 1 second do this work because it still has to be tested, deployed seems like a waste of resources when so many other things need to be done to the game. The wise old man said, never open a lemonade stand when its 20 below zero, build a fire and charge people to stand near it. CCP needs to think about what they are selling, who they are selling it to, and what is going on with the customers of the game that have supported them for 12 years while they have burned all the money we gave into content we dont care about or on games we will never play like World of Darkness. Maybe you should think about this yourself. Skins have had the enthusiasm and patronage of a great many, as evidenced in this and other threads and in space (zoom in and you'll likely see it from time to time), largely because your single use case doesn't and hasn't universally applied. There is no "we don't care about" when "we" are the reason the feature got further iterated after the pilot program to determine interest. That you personally would never buy them does not and will not ever mean they were a waste of time or universally undesired. The point still stands, if the investment generates a return there is no reason not to do it, especially when "we" asked for it and demonstrated willingness to pay for it.
Liafcipe9000 Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 36789	Posted - 2015.09.21 10:09:32 - [111] - Quote and all of them make my eyes bleed. well, at least the one I didn't lose yet. I am a cat.
Dersen Lowery Scanners Live in Vain 1755	Posted - 2015.09.22 18:38:41 - [112] - Quote marly cortez wrote: Hmmm for a Company that's struggling financially, One wonders why they are diverting scant resources to this rather petty add on which brings them little and probably no financial return at all. Except that if you've been paying attention, the work on SKINs has helped the art department shake out a great many bugs in textures and geometry, and also in their new engine. For a game which has prided itself on its appearance from day one ("Those shots are rendered!" "No, they're not.") it's a solid investment of time. I'm sure the revenue isn't bad. People love to customize "their" things. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. I voted in CSM X!
Panther X High Flyers Gentlemen's.Club 103	Posted - 2015.09.22 20:33:43 - [113] - Quote Any word as to why the NES is "Currently Unavailable" everytime I want to log in and spend mah auries? I mean if you don't want me to spend them I won't but damn that is pretty freakin annoying My super smells of rich Corinthian Leather
Pic'n dor Wild Sentinels Honorable Third Party 41	Posted - 2015.09.26 20:22:20 - [114] - Quote Can we expect some more police skin ? I'd love to see gank in police talos : https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/ccpwgl/skindevblog/index.shtml?dna=gbc3_t1:police:gallente&distance=1700 Panther X wrote: Any word as to why the NES is "Currently Unavailable" everytime I want to log in and spend mah auries? I mean if you don't want me to spend them I won't but damn that is pretty freakin annoying tried log with the luncher ? COUCOU TOUCHE TOUCHE
Edolus The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.11.19 17:37:04 - [115] - Quote CCP Phantom wrote: With the Galatea update on August 25 we will see a new type of ship SKINs: less bound to traditional factional color schemes, the new designer SKINs can be more daring and bold. The new 'Raata Sunset' SKIN line for Caldari hulls can color your ship fiercely red with elegant stripes of silver-white. More designer SKINs are already waiting: the blue-golden 'Blue Tiger' for Minmatar and Caldari hulls as well as the 'Valklear Glory' design for Minmatar ships. Check out CCP Legion's latest blog Designer SKINs to please your eyes for a beautiful preview of our first designer ship SKINs. Mordu's Legion>? Please? Pretty Please?

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