Do you, currently, feel that you can compete with other players and veterans?

what?

Can someone do me a tl;dr of the negative side? There must be something I'm missing.

Pros
- Adds a flexible alternative to the existing legitimate SP purchase arrangement of the Character Bazaar.
- Provides young players (especially) another way to speed up their progression.
- More income for CCP.
- I can spend my vast fortune on SP :)

Cons
- New players might feel pressured into taking the accelerated approach. (But same argument applies to Character Bazaar).
- Plex prices will increase. (Oh well. Plex is there as an anti-RMT tool, not so people can play for free.)
- Consequences. (But you can buy/sell on the Character Bazaar.)
- I won't be able to tell how GÇÿpowerfulGÇÖ a character is by their age.

As far as I can tell only the last one is a real negative. And it certainly doesn't outweigh the numerous positives. And to be clear this obviously isn't pay to win because the SP will be freely traded on the market for isk.

This is not valid in the absence of pricing data. You have no idea how expensive it will be and whether setting up SP farms will be a thing.

But even if they are, this is exactly what happens on the Character Bazaar right now.

An extra big con is that this essentially tells new players they need to spend extra RL cash (as they won't have ISK) to be a viable pilot. This isn't true and is pretty much milking new players for extra cash.

I would prefer the cerebral accelerator approach along with skill queue templates that can be imported for the basic skills as a starter queue for new players. Cerebral accelerators can be built in game and only work up to a certain age of character as now or up to a hard cap of sp with diminishing returns. Cerebral accelerators could be use to replace implants in drops when (not if) CCP decide to remove them.

These would either be as BPC's or directly as accelerators for sale (I prefer BPC's to boost manufacture too). The drop cerebral accelerators would not have a hard SP cap on them since they are replacing implants but would still be time limited.

Skill queue templates would be very useful as a new player has no idea what to train up but certainly knows what ships they'd like to fly. being able to simply import the skeleton of basic pre-req skills would allow them to set this in a few clicks, and then amend the queue to suit their specific needs. Corps would be able to develop and set their own skill queues for new pilots too in support of their activities.

...currently there are no SP sinks...

having things hidden behind arbitrary waits may have been good when the game was new and they had to have some form of pacing... but there's no need for pacing 12 years down the line.

We all buy into the philosophy that eve is a game of trade and competition as it has been from day one, but do you accept that from the overwhelming negative feedback it is clear that players do not want that philosophy transferred to skill points?

Players have never asked for SP to be tradable, and in fact are overwhelmingly opposed to such an idea.

CCP states that there are under no obligation to keep an unsubbed character for any predetimined length of time, why is this an afront to you when you think its fine to disect characters of any age.

are you really asking me to explain how selling SP and deleting whole characters/accounts is different? do you need me to explain how night and day differ too? or chalk and cheese?

please tell me you're trolling, if not... mother of god...

What? This general idea has to be one of the most commonly requested features on the forum! Possibly just below the old 'remove cloaky camping' request, which I fully expect to be implemented with the new structures.

No im being deadly serious, your trying to twist why its fine to deconstruct a character to sell for skillpoints that wont really benefit a new player unless they pay real money, why its an afront to so many players in the game to alter one of the main things that is a constant in eve.

To flip it to you im giving you an alternative, it offers full customization and actually does help the new player / richer IRL player, what does it matter that we are deleting accounts to get skillpoints, theyre under no obligation to keep anything, i dont care about caldari / gallente / minmatar citizen 53820016 who's not played for 12 months who gives a flying fudge, its all about the skillpoints now.

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This is accepted by the majority of players because it is not instant win, there has been a process and developement integrated into each character bazaar sale, which all takes time.

I must play the game to achieve something.

Not players CCP, were doing it for the good of the new player base who is fed up that they cant jump into a tengu within 2 days, what does it matter to you that if you cant be arsed to play for 12 months its gone, your going to be fine

as does creating a TSP.

this system doesn't provide an instant win - some one still has to train the SP just like the bazaar system so it will still take time.

You are confusing the occasional misinformed person asking with the overwhelming majority view of the playerbase.

We need whole system rebalance then, rather putting make up on the corpse. Avatar based system was took from RPG game with attributes and skills, if not working properly it's a point when need close look up and change. All I hear: "you may compete but you need to pay".
Edit: Dave, it's become "Dave personal thread about SP", we all know your opinion about it by now. Do you ever sleep? Take a day off, or week maybe. Yo don't have to quote every answer in this thread.