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Dave Stark 7614	Posted - 2015.10.19 13:50:42 - [3721] - Quote Jared Khanar wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Jared Khanar wrote: as stated this is aimed at them. we went through this multiple times. this feature is aimed at everyone. it says so in the devblog. so with the sp losses it is even aimed at 150m sp chars in the same way without a difference? devblogs talk about it so maybe you should read :) i did read it, i even quoted it. yes, it's aimed at them in the same way; they can both purchase SP if they want.
Jared Khanar 40	Posted - 2015.10.19 13:51:18 - [3722] - Quote Maekchu wrote: Nothing is being modified to the rules. You get the option to more rapidly gain SP, but the rules of the game are the same. Instead of just subbing for a month and stay docked, I get an option to just buy an item and not afk train that queue. I don't understand why you say I project emotion. I simply told you the rules are not modified. If someone could buy a permit to not get concorded in HS for real money, that would be changing the rules with a P2W mechanic. But not this. well it depends how one use words i guess. If i say the rule is a character gains sp through time in a specific amount - so after 1 year he maybe got 20m sp for example and through additional payment i can end up with 50m instead or more - i am able to call that a modification - as rl money gets transfered in this process it is possible to call that a modification through the use of rl money - if you do not - ok if i-¦m using the wrong words to describe this - please teach me better ones - english is not my native language ;) but i-¦m sure you are able to understand the meaning... edit: have to leave now so further answers may take a while ^^
Rawthorm D.M.T inc Circle-Of-Two 58	Posted - 2015.10.19 13:51:29 - [3723] - Quote Jared Khanar wrote: Rawthorm wrote: Jared Khanar wrote: Rawthorm wrote: As for everyone else, it's none of your business if they want to spend RL money on it or not. So it sums up in shut up and leave if your opinion is against this - i can assure you it-¦s not my business what anyone likes to do with his / her money. Personally i want to avoid games that only want money for everything you do. Thats one of the primary things that attracted me to eve. As this is changed now more and more i-¦m leaving. As already mentioned my subs are running out in a few days and ... bye. But that doesn-¦t mean i have to remain silent until this :) Again, your not forced to pay RL money to use this feature. Why does it matter if someone else chooses to? The end result is the same. His SP boost isn't bigger just because he used his credit card and you used your ISK. again - yes this is true. you are able to do so. but will this be the norm? I guess not. What if new players want to use this - as stated this is aimed at them. do they have a good iskincome to support this? what are they going to do? and if this is only a feature to support the playerbase - why additional moneycosts? i have no problem in someone bossting himself - i have a problem with the shown "we are going to milk you even further" attitude. CCP has already monetized eve with a monthly subscription - then added plex as a second - then added aurum as a third - and now features are coming to generate pressure to use them all. which one is paying the bill doesn-¦t matter for me I don't see it as milking us tho. Milking us would be making this an exclusively RL money only option. Infact I don't think there are any features at all which are strictly RL money only, not even the subscription which is a phenomenal thing for a company to do. Also Plex as a second, Aurum as a third? Plex is the root, Aurum and ISK are conversion routes from Plex. It in itself isn't a CCP monetized item. To this day there are 3 things you can by with your credit card. Game time, Plex and character transfers. This isn't going to change.
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 156	Posted - 2015.10.19 13:51:31 - [3724] - Quote Jeremiah Saken wrote: Maekchu wrote: But some of EvE unique game mechanics are just fundamentally bad. So let's make it even worse? Edit: and charge for it? The bad mechanic is still there for you to use. You can just choose not to use the SP injection. This however, gives the option for people to skip this bad mechanic if they either invest the needed time to farm the ISK or some RL money. SP queues have always been bad, since it didn't promote active play.
Dave Stark 7614	Posted - 2015.10.19 13:54:21 - [3725] - Quote Jared Khanar wrote: Maekchu wrote: Nothing is being modified to the rules. You get the option to more rapidly gain SP, but the rules of the game are the same. Instead of just subbing for a month and stay docked, I get an option to just buy an item and not afk train that queue. I don't understand why you say I project emotion. I simply told you the rules are not modified. If someone could buy a permit to not get concorded in HS for real money, that would be changing the rules with a P2W mechanic. But not this. well it depends how one use words i guess. If i say the rule is a character gains sp through time in a specific amount - so after 1 year he maybe got 20m sp for example and through additional payment i can end up with 50m instead or more - i am able to call that a modification through interfering with rl money - if you do not - ok if i-¦m using the wrong words to describe this - please teach me better ones - english is not my native language ;) edit: have to leave no so further answers may take a while ^^ advancement would probably be a more appropriate word there than modification, as you are paying to advance from 20m sp after 1 year to 50m sp after 1 year.
Rawthorm D.M.T inc Circle-Of-Two 58	Posted - 2015.10.19 13:54:41 - [3726] - Quote Jared Khanar wrote: Maekchu wrote: Nothing is being modified to the rules. You get the option to more rapidly gain SP, but the rules of the game are the same. Instead of just subbing for a month and stay docked, I get an option to just buy an item and not afk train that queue. I don't understand why you say I project emotion. I simply told you the rules are not modified. If someone could buy a permit to not get concorded in HS for real money, that would be changing the rules with a P2W mechanic. But not this. well it depends how one use words i guess. If i say the rule is a character gains sp through time in a specific amount - so after 1 year he maybe got 20m sp for example and through additional payment i can end up with 50m instead or more - i am able to call that a modification through interfering with rl money - if you do not - ok if i-¦m using the wrong words to describe this - please teach me better ones - english is not my native language ;) No different to buying a plex, selling it for ISK and then buying a cerebral accelerator and a top set of Implants with said ISK. I've now boosted my SP gain during that time window just the same as this new feature, just be it over a shorter time span.
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 157	Posted - 2015.10.19 13:58:15 - [3727] - Quote Jared Khanar wrote: Maekchu wrote: Nothing is being modified to the rules. You get the option to more rapidly gain SP, but the rules of the game are the same. Instead of just subbing for a month and stay docked, I get an option to just buy an item and not afk train that queue. I don't understand why you say I project emotion. I simply told you the rules are not modified. If someone could buy a permit to not get concorded in HS for real money, that would be changing the rules with a P2W mechanic. But not this. well it depends how one use words i guess. If i say the rule is a character gains sp through time in a specific amount - so after 1 year he maybe got 20m sp for example and through additional payment i can end up with 50m instead or more - i am able to call that a modification through interfering with rl money - if you do not - ok if i-¦m using the wrong words to describe this - please teach me better ones - english is not my native language ;) First of all, the word is defined as the quoted. You cannot change the meaning of a word, based on your own interest. That being said, I understand your example. And it would have merit, if every character was forced to train at a specific rate all the time. But that is not the case. Some people will choose only to train the skills they need, then train another character. Or they could choose to buy a character from the bazaar, increasing the SP gained for the individual (and SP lost for the seller, but it's the same in the proposed feature). So no, nothing is being modified, since SP alone does not change any rules of the game. And "interfering" with rl money already exists with the character bazaar. Anyway, the point is that no rules are being modified by paying a fee to CCP.
Levi Belvar Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 52	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:01:07 - [3728] - Quote Rawthorm wrote: Jared Khanar wrote: Maekchu wrote: Nothing is being modified to the rules. You get the option to more rapidly gain SP, but the rules of the game are the same. Instead of just subbing for a month and stay docked, I get an option to just buy an item and not afk train that queue. I don't understand why you say I project emotion. I simply told you the rules are not modified. If someone could buy a permit to not get concorded in HS for real money, that would be changing the rules with a P2W mechanic. But not this. well it depends how one use words i guess. If i say the rule is a character gains sp through time in a specific amount - so after 1 year he maybe got 20m sp for example and through additional payment i can end up with 50m instead or more - i am able to call that a modification through interfering with rl money - if you do not - ok if i-¦m using the wrong words to describe this - please teach me better ones - english is not my native language ;) No different to buying a plex, selling it for ISK and then buying a cerebral accelerator and a top set of Implants with said ISK. I've now boosted my SP gain during that time window just the same as this new feature, just be it over a shorter time span. Theres alot of difference there, cybenetics lvl1 doesnt allow a top set of implants, cerebral accel last for a short time and is one off after your so old, doesnt allow you to go from 0 to 10,000,00 in as long as would take to inject them.
General Lootit RDS Academy Everyb0dy Knows 6	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:01:33 - [3729] - Quote Syn'Drakkahr wrote: Removing time to skill by making it payable to get instant SP removes the Unique qualities that makes EVE a sandbox. Nobody wont remove skill quee. Change only will make new options available and all players will have same accses to it. Syn'Drakkahr wrote: 30+k players that can purchase SP from the market is not unique. So I make a conclusion from your statement that you think - only quantity of skills points makes players unique. I so much doubt that everyone will train same skils and there no chance that even small group of players will be able(or wishing to) to maxing out every skill because creating new specialized toon will be cost much cheaper than maxing out single charachter. Someting about uniquemess
Perrdy Lady Hedion University Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:06:00 - [3730] - Quote This is straight up a quick cashgrab and the rich wins yet again. Disgusting.

afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2178	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:10:07 - [3731] - Quote Rawthorm wrote: No different to buying a plex, selling it for ISK and then buying a cerebral accelerator and a top set of Implants with said ISK. I've now boosted my SP gain during that time window just the same as this new feature, just be it over a shorter time span. Oh, really? So today I can train up and skill a GUARANTEED unwatchlisted cyno alt in seconds using plex, can I? Because once this goes live, I can do that. And I absolutely 100% ******* guarantee EVERY super pilot will do this. There are far too many horrible offshoots to this specific implementation and furthermore it is caught in the paradox of being either ruthlessly exploitable by the old guard - or utterly worthless to newbeans. I've literally not seen a more clean cut example of Malcanis' law. Not a single one.
Dave Stark 7614	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:14:51 - [3732] - Quote afkalt wrote: I've literally not seen a more clean cut example of Malcanis' law. Not a single one. Malcanis' law requires the suggestion to be targeted at new players - which this is not.
Rawthorm D.M.T inc Circle-Of-Two 59	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:15:00 - [3733] - Quote afkalt wrote: Rawthorm wrote: No different to buying a plex, selling it for ISK and then buying a cerebral accelerator and a top set of Implants with said ISK. I've now boosted my SP gain during that time window just the same as this new feature, just be it over a shorter time span. Oh, really? So today I can train up and skill a GUARANTEED unwatchlisted cyno alt in seconds using plex, can I? Because once this goes live, I can do that. And I absolutely 100% ******* guarantee EVERY super pilot will do this. There are far too many horrible offshoots to this specific implementation and furthermore it is caught in the paradox of being either ruthlessly exploitable by the old guard - or utterly worthless to newbeans. I've literally not seen a more clean cut example of Malcanis' law. Not a single one. Of course there is a difference, I was just answering within the context of Jared Khanar's post. (In which he was talking about SP gained in the space of a year) And yes, of course there are ways to potentially abuse this system. That's why the debate should be about reducing these abuses rather than outright writing it off as a bad idea.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2178	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:15:46 - [3734] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: afkalt wrote: I've literally not seen a more clean cut example of Malcanis' law. Not a single one. Malcanis' law requires the suggestion to be targeted at new players - which this is not. I didn't think we were openly pandering to vets to abuse things in horrible, game breaking ways. /shrug
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 157	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:16:14 - [3735] - Quote afkalt wrote: Rawthorm wrote: No different to buying a plex, selling it for ISK and then buying a cerebral accelerator and a top set of Implants with said ISK. I've now boosted my SP gain during that time window just the same as this new feature, just be it over a shorter time span. Oh, really? So today I can train up and skill a GUARANTEED unwatchlisted cyno alt in seconds using plex, can I? Because once this goes live, I can do that. And I absolutely 100% ******* guarantee EVERY super pilot will do this. There are far too many horrible offshoots to this specific implementation and furthermore it is caught in the paradox of being either ruthlessly exploitable by the old guard - or utterly worthless to newbeans. I've literally not seen a more clean cut example of Malcanis' law. Not a single one. Well, this can already be done with the character bazaar. I don't think this is an issue with SP, but with cyno ships. So how could cyno ships be balanced in order to work around this issue? Maybe some form of animation or graphic (like the guns fitted on your ship), that you can see before you engage someone and not only after they've deployed the cyno?
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2179	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:17:13 - [3736] - Quote Rawthorm wrote: afkalt wrote: Rawthorm wrote: No different to buying a plex, selling it for ISK and then buying a cerebral accelerator and a top set of Implants with said ISK. I've now boosted my SP gain during that time window just the same as this new feature, just be it over a shorter time span. Oh, really? So today I can train up and skill a GUARANTEED unwatchlisted cyno alt in seconds using plex, can I? Because once this goes live, I can do that. And I absolutely 100% ******* guarantee EVERY super pilot will do this. There are far too many horrible offshoots to this specific implementation and furthermore it is caught in the paradox of being either ruthlessly exploitable by the old guard - or utterly worthless to newbeans. I've literally not seen a more clean cut example of Malcanis' law. Not a single one. Of course there is a difference, I was just answering within the context of Jared Khanar's post. (In which he was talking about SP gained in the space of a year) And yes, of course there are ways to potentially abuse this system. That's why the debate should be about reducing these abuses rather than outright writing it off as a bad idea. There are no limitations in existence which will make this an acceptable idea once you look beyond the highlights and into the detail. The very notion of this being both workable whilst unabusable is a perfect paradox.
Dave Stark 7614	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:17:41 - [3737] - Quote afkalt wrote: Dave Stark wrote: afkalt wrote: I've literally not seen a more clean cut example of Malcanis' law. Not a single one. Malcanis' law requires the suggestion to be targeted at new players - which this is not. I didn't think we were openly pandering to vets to abuse things in horrible, game breaking ways. /shrug Ok, humour me. what they gonna do?
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2179	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:18:29 - [3738] - Quote Maekchu wrote: afkalt wrote: Rawthorm wrote: No different to buying a plex, selling it for ISK and then buying a cerebral accelerator and a top set of Implants with said ISK. I've now boosted my SP gain during that time window just the same as this new feature, just be it over a shorter time span. Oh, really? So today I can train up and skill a GUARANTEED unwatchlisted cyno alt in seconds using plex, can I? Because once this goes live, I can do that. And I absolutely 100% ******* guarantee EVERY super pilot will do this. There are far too many horrible offshoots to this specific implementation and furthermore it is caught in the paradox of being either ruthlessly exploitable by the old guard - or utterly worthless to newbeans. I've literally not seen a more clean cut example of Malcanis' law. Not a single one. Well, this can already be done with the character bazaar. I don't think this is an issue with SP, but with cyno ships. So how could cyno ships be balanced in order to work around this issue? Maybe some form of animation or graphic (like the guns fitted on your ship), that you can see before you engage someone and not only after they've deployed the cyno? What? Do you even know what supers use cyno alts for and why they are watch listed? Not to mention the idea of using the bazaar is a) slow and b) reliant on supply.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12747	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:19:38 - [3739] - Quote afkalt wrote: Rawthorm wrote: No different to buying a plex, selling it for ISK and then buying a cerebral accelerator and a top set of Implants with said ISK. I've now boosted my SP gain during that time window just the same as this new feature, just be it over a shorter time span. Oh, really? So today I can train up and skill a GUARANTEED unwatchlisted cyno alt in seconds using plex, can I? Because once this goes live, I can do that. And I absolutely 100% ******* guarantee EVERY super pilot will do this. There are far too many horrible offshoots to this specific implementation and furthermore it is caught in the paradox of being either ruthlessly exploitable by the old guard - or utterly worthless to newbeans. I've literally not seen a more clean cut example of Malcanis' law. Not a single one. Exactly. Cyno alts. Incursion Alts. Burner and FW mission frigate/bomber alts will be instant, because you can do soooo many isk making things with low SP alts that it ain't even funny. And only people who know what they are doing will want to do that in the 1st place. On a side note, I think I will start bookmarking the most naive posts people make when ideas like this come up so i can make a "remember when you thought this was a good idea" blog post somewhere about it years later lol. Now that i think about it, I should have started in 2008 when they announced Dominion SOV, you know, that thing that was supposed to be WONDERFUL for new players and small groups
Hashtag Rare Pepe Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:22:05 - [3740] - Quote So, when will this skillgoo be available.

afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2179	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:23:33 - [3741] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: afkalt wrote: Dave Stark wrote: afkalt wrote: I've literally not seen a more clean cut example of Malcanis' law. Not a single one. Malcanis' law requires the suggestion to be targeted at new players - which this is not. I didn't think we were openly pandering to vets to abuse things in horrible, game breaking ways. /shrug Ok, humour me. what they gonna do? Instant T3 subsytem skill loss negated Need a scout? Hello instant unaffiliated interceptor pilot Never have your cyno alts watchlisted for moves again, ever. Need a new suicide ganker or scout for it because you've been burned? Why hello there. Need a POS gunner in an emergency? No problem! FFS I could create a griffin alt and skill it instantly to come fly over and break tackle on something I foolishly engaged on my mission boat. The possibilities for creating clean new alts is...frankly mental and if you really think the players won't abuse the ever loving out of this well then I guess you don't know us very well. This removes any/all delays on having a functional anonymous alt being created with a specific purpose. If you can't see the holes in that...well /me shrugs
Rawthorm D.M.T inc Circle-Of-Two 59	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:24:02 - [3742] - Quote afkalt wrote: Rawthorm wrote: afkalt wrote: Rawthorm wrote: No different to buying a plex, selling it for ISK and then buying a cerebral accelerator and a top set of Implants with said ISK. I've now boosted my SP gain during that time window just the same as this new feature, just be it over a shorter time span. Oh, really? So today I can train up and skill a GUARANTEED unwatchlisted cyno alt in seconds using plex, can I? Because once this goes live, I can do that. And I absolutely 100% ******* guarantee EVERY super pilot will do this. There are far too many horrible offshoots to this specific implementation and furthermore it is caught in the paradox of being either ruthlessly exploitable by the old guard - or utterly worthless to newbeans. I've literally not seen a more clean cut example of Malcanis' law. Not a single one. Of course there is a difference, I was just answering within the context of Jared Khanar's post. (In which he was talking about SP gained in the space of a year) And yes, of course there are ways to potentially abuse this system. That's why the debate should be about reducing these abuses rather than outright writing it off as a bad idea. There are no limitations in existence which will make this an acceptable idea once you look beyond the highlights and into the detail. The very notion of this being both workable whilst unabusable is a perfect paradox. I don't believe in an unsolvable problem. Now I think about it too, I don't see the Cyno alt "problem" as an issue. It already wouldn't take long to fill every spare character slot I own with Cyno alts. It's going to take even less time after the starting skills changes. At this point we are already pissing into the wind when it comes to complaining about the ease of making cyno alts. (Also who the funk in the right mind is going to spend the obviously high amount of ISK or -ú required to actually make all these instant cyno alts? These SP injections won't come cheap and if someone wants to empty their warchest into such a blatant waste of ISK then I say let em get on with it.)
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 157	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:24:46 - [3743] - Quote afkalt wrote: Maekchu wrote: afkalt wrote: Rawthorm wrote: No different to buying a plex, selling it for ISK and then buying a cerebral accelerator and a top set of Implants with said ISK. I've now boosted my SP gain during that time window just the same as this new feature, just be it over a shorter time span. Oh, really? So today I can train up and skill a GUARANTEED unwatchlisted cyno alt in seconds using plex, can I? Because once this goes live, I can do that. And I absolutely 100% ******* guarantee EVERY super pilot will do this. There are far too many horrible offshoots to this specific implementation and furthermore it is caught in the paradox of being either ruthlessly exploitable by the old guard - or utterly worthless to newbeans. I've literally not seen a more clean cut example of Malcanis' law. Not a single one. Well, this can already be done with the character bazaar. I don't think this is an issue with SP, but with cyno ships. So how could cyno ships be balanced in order to work around this issue? Maybe some form of animation or graphic (like the guns fitted on your ship), that you can see before you engage someone and not only after they've deployed the cyno? What? Do you even know what supers use cyno alts for and why they are watch listed? Not to mention the idea of using the bazaar is a) slow and b) reliant on supply. As far as I understand, it's for moving your caps safely, right? But yeah, I was looking at it from the scenario of people dropping caps on cruisers fleest in lowsec. Anyway, as said and as you've already confirmed. It can still be done with the bazaar. Although, very clunky and slow, is still possible. So again, the issue is just with cap movement and how is works in the game. Something that might be addressed in the upcoming cap rebalance. Anyway, it still is not an issue that is a direct consequence of the proposed change. The issue are caps.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2184	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:28:20 - [3744] - Quote I'm sure super pilots would trust cyno toons from the bazaar not to be watchlisted by PL. Yup. I mean, that assumes it's not a PL player selling it for a set up anyway. Besides, there are a rash of other nasties with this and all to solve what problem again?
Mag's the united 20594	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:30:25 - [3745] - Quote afkalt wrote: I'm sure super pilots would trust cyno toons from the bazaar not to be watchlisted by PL. Yup. I mean, that assumes it's not a PL player selling it for a set up anyway. Besides, there are a rash of other nasties with this and all to solve what problem again? Well CCP Rise simply didn't like the name Kil2, what other reason does he need? Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 431	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:32:34 - [3746] - Quote CCP Quant wrote: Another angle on this is the fact that we're on a path of making everything in EVE trade'able, even skillpoints. They are on path...the more I dig up about it the more I see how cluster**** it will be. They have a path... And to think they have something like roleplayers in EvE at eve vegas.... Now seriously, ETA when? Time is money friends "(...) I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas (...)"
Seven Koskanaiken FinFleet Northern Coalition. 1665	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:33:07 - [3747] - Quote CCP Terminus wrote: [quote=Daniela Doran]We aren't injecting new SP in to the game. We simply allow players to trade the resources they have for the resources they want. Then maybe let older players have a go at the SP trough as well? Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, right? Prestige is nice, but it doesn't put a sleipnir or chimera on my table.
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 157	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:35:07 - [3748] - Quote afkalt wrote: I'm sure super pilots would trust cyno toons from the bazaar not to be watchlisted by PL. Yup. I mean, that assumes it's not a PL player selling it for a set up anyway. Besides, there are a rash of other nasties with this and all to solve what problem again? Your and Tippia's argument is actually one of the more valid ones, in this sea of nonsense these past pages have been. I think you guys have a point and the feature needs to be balanced around this. Either that, or some other major balance changes in the game needs to be made, so instantly trained alts could not be an issue. However, there is a problem with retaining new players. And how the skill queue is a bad mechanic that does not promote active play. Maybe this is not the solution, but I commend CCP for trying to solve this issue and proposing such a controversial change to how skills are trained. But it is also very naive to say there does not exist a problem. Basically, the skill queue and its afk promoting properties is the problem, and something drastic needs to happen with EvE in order to attract new players and promote what EvE is really about. Being actively out in space, creating interaction between players and not sitting in a station ship spinning, waiting for a digital bar to fill up.
Dror Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:36:16 - [3749] - Quote Mag's wrote: afkalt wrote: I'm sure super pilots would trust cyno toons from the bazaar not to be watchlisted by PL. Yup. I mean, that assumes it's not a PL player selling it for a set up anyway. Besides, there are a rash of other nasties with this and all to solve what problem again? Well CCP Rise simply didn't like the name Kil2, what other reason does he need? Barely any fresh characters realize there's an option through the character bazaar. If CCP could figure out a method of improving gameplay accessibility by granulating that on the in-game market -- Should they make more money off of SP? It's a system that ruins the potential of the game, sets up payments on top of sub payments, and cheapens the role-playing experience. The game could just as well thrive through being a true sandbox. That's where the referral and sustain potential is. "SP is helpful for the game?" Here's all of the research on motivation -- it says the opposite! What purpose does it serve, then? Starter corps are non-competitive. Sov is unchallenged. "Fix sov!" you say? Remove SP.
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 431	Posted - 2015.10.19 14:36:19 - [3750] - Quote Mag's wrote: Well CCP Rise simply didn't like the name Kil2, what other reason does he need? Nah, he wanted to fly geddon instead of ceptor and in a meantime he wants: CCP RIse wrote: We want to make sure training decisions are still very important and that rapid respeccing of skills is not an efficient choice at any point. "(...) I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas (...)"



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