The main issue is that you have to move the goalposts since you can't actually argue against the fundamental problem that this proposal creates.

You knowGǪ how it will cause the fundamental problem that you will be able to skip game mechanics if you pay for it. That is an issue in and of itself.

i haven't moved the goalposts once.

not that it matters if i did, you haven't provided a single reason why this idea is bad other than "now you can get more sp on a character than the theoretical maximum based on character DOB".

just name an issue this will cause players in game? is it really that hard? (guess it is since you've failed to do it 3 times now).

While we are at it why not add trans-gendered pilots and make other physical defects available. Lets get a wheelchair or walker option for the older pilots. We have scars why not amputee's and birth defects?

After re-reading these threads I see one common theme coming from everyone that is in favor of the change.

Impatience.
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If I could have done *everything* in the first year I would have gotten bored, and found another game to play.

Liquefying our enemies after the Goonmass crushes their will to fight is going to be so, so satisfying. Permadeath has arrived, y'all!

There you go and without buzzwords "pay to win":

I just wanted to say that overall I support this idea.

It is really a huge improvement on character trading while also creating a huge SP sink once you have done it a certain number of times.

It will give dummies like me the chance to fly around in things we really should not be flying to give out some sweet kill mails to the real PVPers running around.



I see what people are saying about an issue with not being able to guess a persons SP by tapping their name in local but I would call that for the better. I remember in my first few months being very harshly targeted specifically for my low age. I may have come out better on the other side of dealing with that but that is not changed here. The only difference is those pirates could end up being the easy target when they jump in on someone who has dumped in a load of cash.

Only flying what you can afford to lose will take on a whole new meaning when newbies in battleships go where they should not be and get wiped out by a small group of players that actually know what they are doing with their SP.


With all that being said I do see people feeling like this significantly demeans their SP investment but there is much more that comes from growing your assets and abilities over time than just being able to sport a flashy ship that would take newbies a year or more to get.


Just my 2 ISK that will get quickly overlooked.

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There are more flaws/side effects.

The proposed changes would totally mess up the current training and attributes system.
Future optimum training:

1. remap to +10 Per +4 Will
2. buy 2 learning implants to train PER/WILL at max speed
3. whenever you need anything else, just extract 500k XP and reinsert them into your own brain as 400k unallocated SP. Despite the loss, you still get more SP than when training with your weak attributes
4. dont care about attributes and remaps until you have at least 50mil SP

Skill points aren't holy. All the arguments against this change make the assumption that somehow the choices you made during skill training are somehow a permanent mark on the character.

Not everyone agrees with that assumption. Making skill points modular removes another barrier of inaccessibility to the game.

A lot of people are saying this would be no different then buying a character in the bazaar. These two mechanics have significant differences, and it's why many of us like what the bazaar offers over this proposed idea.

1. The current bazaar does not favor any demographic in Eve. Whether you played six months of seven years, the bazaar has the same options to you.

2. When you buy a character you get the flaws associated with it. Characters naturally will be more and more less focus the higher the SP. You can't find a 200m SP character that doesn't have something that is useless to the next buyer. This is a nice balance to the system. You get to jump ahead and not wait for the skillpoints but also you get stuck with stuff you don't want as balanced effect of that choice you made. Also toss in there that you lose the option to control the name, the KB history and corp history and it's a good balance.

3. This system opens up the recycling of characters with no loss. As of now if you want to destroy a character the SP is lost. You can sell it but ultimately there is still a history of the characters actions that the next person has to take on if they buy the toon. This system allows for easy rotation of characters in disregard for their history. The implications are bigger then one might see at first glance. Corp and alliance thefts are something people balance between the value of their character(s) and the money/assets available to them. For some their character is to important, they couldn't replace exactly that they have. This goes out the door, a name can be tossed to the wind and nothing is lose (unless the character has high SP, and in that case it can be spread out into two characters with little to no negative effect).

4. Some people selling their toon have strong association with that toon. They don't simply want to see the toon shelved. This systhem removes that from the game. There can be no long term legacy for characters. The ownership of them is degraded that of simple numbers and nothing more.

Anyone have any actual arguments for opposing it? Anyone?

Please list them.

yet you avoided to reply on any of those...

Anyone have any actual arguments for opposing it? Anyone?

Please list them.

So you aren't reading Tippia's posts?

There are more flaws/side effects.

The proposed changes would totally mess up the current training and attributes system.
Future optimum training:

1. remap to +10 Per +4 Will
2. buy 2 learning implants to train PER/WILL at max speed
3. whenever you need anything else, just extract 500k XP and reinsert them into your own brain as 400k unallocated SP. Despite the loss, you still get more SP than when training with your weak attributes
4. dont care about attributes and remaps until you have at least 50mil SP

Bonus for PvP addicts:

train on character A on your account with 2 +5 implants. Then transfer SP to your combat char B who never wears expensive implants and has no active training queue.

i haven't moved the goalposts once.

not that it matters if i did, you haven't provided a single reason why this idea is bad other than "now you can get more sp on a character than the theoretical maximum based on character DOB".

just name an issue this will cause players in game?

dude take a break and relax a bit:

i, new player jinx buy plex>sell plex>buy one 200 mil caracter on the bazar, i can have that 200 mil char in 2 days; for me that is MY trainig speed, 2 days, what you trying to tell with overcomplicated mathematics about sps/h is just dust in the wind;

it's easy: instead of buying one 100 mil sp char you can now buy how many " sps packs" you need to get your char to 100 mil if you really want that 100 mil char...

Or i could skip it by buying a whole pilot, lock, stock, and barrel from the bazaar. With plex that I paid cash for. So, this isn't any kind of earth-shattering development from that perspective. The only difference is that instead of paying tens of Billions of ISK (derived from plex sales) for a whole pilot at one time I instead pay smaller amounts at one time to touch up my existing pilot(s)

Wendy, skills don't make you a better player. They never have.

except for the time when you moved them from the actual issue to a completely different one once you figured that you couldn't respond to the issue as stated.

Why make and option to buy SP, then?

That is preciselly why letting people instajump into end game content is a bad idea.

Get people to just insta jump into content they are not ready for, forming a "majority" to demand changes ingame that would be not need should the players had been better prepared to be at that level.

no i haven't.

the only solid argument so far has been people paying to hit V in a skill that was released only yesterday - which is only an issue for like, a month. which is a trivially small amount of time.

You can make enough ISK in game to purchase a PLEX without having to ever touch cash. Eve can be free to play if you can make more than a billion isk a month. Which happens.
I am sure the mining-bot account holders will love this feature. Less time required to get to their optimal training and harvesting.

People can use the character bazaar today. Your argument is invalid.