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Nullbeard Rager Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:23:00 - [271] - Quote Brujo Loco wrote: a long boring wall of nullbeard parroting that makes mmo pvp seem REALLY cool Cool story bro but it's just a game. No one actually gets hurt and no one actually dies. You make it sound like you and your like are some kind of e-rambos.
Merovee Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor 5	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:27:00 - [272] - Quote Vernn wrote: stunned Playing a game made by vikings. They are not normal people. They have been ******* people since the dark ages.
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:28:00 - [273] - Quote Tippia wrote: Vernn wrote: 1) What safety tactics should I use when every blue ice belt is camped with gankers? 2) What fit should I use on a retriever to survive a gank? 3) What situational awareness is there to be had when he warps in 1000m from me, locks in a second, and open fires? 4) What good spot? Every belt is camped from their own admission. 5) What is freely available at my disposal that will stop them from ganking me as I mine ice? 6) Your right, this game "doesn't work like that" which is why I made this post so maybe someday it will work like that. 7) I hate it when games try to force me to do things. I'm the one paying the bills. I like hauling, doing missions, building stuff. I love 99% of eve. Why should I pay to be forced to do something I don't want? I don't want to be a cog. I want to be me and enjoy the game that I pay money for. Thats why I don't pay people to hit me with hammers. I wouldn't like it. 1) Being aligned. Keeping an eye on your scanner. Fitting a tank. Keeping track of known gankers. Keeping track of the map statistics. 2) Not a retriever to begin withGÇª Other than that, shield extender (and rigs), suitcase. 3) He'll show up on the overview long before he can lock you, and he'll show up on scanner long before he shows up on the overview. 4) No, they just camp in Gallente highsec space. 5) All of the above. 6) How about, instead of ruining the game, you find a game that works the way you want it to work? 7) Tough. See above. 1) I was aligned. First time I warped the second I saw him. Nada 2)You can't fit a retriever as a tank. Most you're gunna get is a few hundred more points. Not near enough to make a real difference. 3) No, he will not show up on the overview long before he will lock me. I was paranoid and watching, and one second nothing, the next a big red skull seemingly 2 feet in front of me. 4) I need to fuel a gallente tower. I don't have other choices. 5) I like 99% of eve. No, I LOVE 99% of eve. I played years ago too and the griefers ruined it then too. This game can be what both sides want it to be. The 0.0 crowd are the ones who want to force people into 0.0. The high sec people don't want to force people into high sec. I don't understand why the aggressive types are so against us non aggressive types. You play your way, let me play mine. Blunty there is just no other game that come close to eve when it comes to things I enjoy. Alternately there is no other game that causes me as much frustration from boneheaded design decisions. 6) Tough? People will take you much more seriously and value your opinion much more when they don't feel like you're attacking them.
Shalia Ripper The Elevens 23	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:30:00 - [274] - Quote Things to do tomorrow. See if corp name "And Then Kestrels" is taken. if not, forn new corp. Just want the OP to know why I am coming after him. (Corp ticket ATTK? WIN!) Pay locator agent to find the OP. Head to OP's system. He shouldn't be hard to find if he only works one belt. Suicide gank him to lower my obscene Sec status. ???? PROFIT! This guy gives decent non-whining carebears a bad name. He must be silenced. Seems fair, right?
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:31:00 - [275] - Quote Merovee wrote: Vernn wrote: stunned Playing a game made by vikings. They are not normal people. They have been ******* people since the dark ages. Yeah, like letting their developers give out T2 BPO's to their corps. Makes me wonder if a dev isn't a corp member of the clowns.
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:32:00 - [276] - Quote Shalia Ripper wrote: Things to do tomorrow. See if corp name "And Then Kestrels" is taken. if not, forn new corp. Just want the OP to know why I am coming after him. Pay locator agent to find the OP. Head to OP's system. He shouldn't be hard to find if he only works one belt. Suicide gank him to lower my obscene Sec status. ???? PROFIT! This guy gives decent non-whining carebears a bad name. He must be silenced. Seems fair, right? Yep, and the game mechanics would allow you to do just that. You could literally make it so I couldn't even really play the game anymore if you wanted to. Super game design huh? :)
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 2038	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:32:00 - [277] - Quote Vernn wrote: 1) I was aligned. First time I warped the second I saw him. No. Because then you would have been in a warp tunnel the second you saw him and he wouldn't have been shot. Quote: 2)You can't fit a retriever as a tank. Yes you can. You can roughly double its EHP without much effort. Quote: No, he will not show up on the overview long before he will lock me. Yes he will. Warping onto grid and actually exiting warp takes a little while Quote: I need to fuel a gallente tower. I don't have other choices. Sure you do. Go make money instead, or put up a different tower. Quote: 5) I like 99% of eve. No, I LOVE 99% of eve. I played years ago too and the griefers ruined it then too. This game can be what both sides want it to be. Not if one side wants there to be space that disallows combat. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:34:00 - [278] - Quote What would be fair is make it so you get 5-10 ganks free, and after that you gotta do a couple hours work on your security status for the next gank.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 2038	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:34:00 - [279] - Quote Vernn wrote: What would be fair is make it so you get 5-10 ganks free, and after that you gotta do a couple hours work on your security status for the next gank. This is already the case if you choose to. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Shalia Ripper The Elevens 23	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:34:00 - [280] - Quote Vernn wrote: Shalia Ripper wrote: Things to do tomorrow. See if corp name "And Then Kestrels" is taken. if not, forn new corp. Just want the OP to know why I am coming after him. Pay locator agent to find the OP. Head to OP's system. He shouldn't be hard to find if he only works one belt. Suicide gank him to lower my obscene Sec status. ???? PROFIT! This guy gives decent non-whining carebears a bad name. He must be silenced. Seems fair, right? Yep, and the game mechanics would allow you to do just that. You could literally make it so I couldn't even really play the game anymore if you wanted to. Super game design huh? :) You could of course....upgrade from a retriever perhaps. Move once in a while. get friends. do something else for a while until they move on. buy ice. but since you assume your only option is to whine, well.....AND THEN KESTRELS.
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:38:00 - [281] - Quote Tippia wrote: I was aligned. First time I warped the second I saw him. No. Because then you would have been in a warp tunnel the second you saw him and he wouldn't have been shot. Quote: 2)You can't fit a retriever as a tank. Yes you can. You can roughly double its EHP without much effort. Quote: No, he will not show up on the overview long before he will lock me. Yes he will. Warping onto grid and actually exiting warp takes a little while Quote: I need to fuel a gallente tower. I don't have other choices. Sure you do. Go make money instead, or put up a different tower. Quote: 5) I like 99% of eve. No, I LOVE 99% of eve. I played years ago too and the griefers ruined it then too. This game can be what both sides want it to be. Not if one side wants there to be space that disallows combat. Tippia, don't call me a liar. As soon as I got to the belt I hit "align to" with the station targeted and didn't move again. I was aligned. Aligned is not warping. Please, share your retriever tank build with me. Do you even play this game? Exiting warp takes awhile? He was in a frigate. What is wrong with space that disallows repeated ganking? As long as the potential profits are low, I don't see the problem. Even with the inflated prices its not like I would be getting rich mining ice. Again, I don't mind an occasional ganking. What is happening here is just a mockery though.
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:40:00 - [282] - Quote Shalia Ripper wrote: Vernn wrote: Shalia Ripper wrote: Things to do tomorrow. See if corp name "And Then Kestrels" is taken. if not, forn new corp. Just want the OP to know why I am coming after him. Pay locator agent to find the OP. Head to OP's system. He shouldn't be hard to find if he only works one belt. Suicide gank him to lower my obscene Sec status. ???? PROFIT! This guy gives decent non-whining carebears a bad name. He must be silenced. Seems fair, right? Yep, and the game mechanics would allow you to do just that. You could literally make it so I couldn't even really play the game anymore if you wanted to. Super game design huh? :) You could of course....upgrade from a retriever perhaps. Move once in a while. get friends. do something else for a while until they move on. buy ice. but since you assume your only option is to whine, well.....AND THEN KESTRELS. OR they could make it so you had to work on your security status for an hour before you could gank someone again after the 5th time? Sounds pretty reasonable to me. Wanna gank people? Sure, but you gotta pay the price!
Mistress Motion Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:45:00 - [283] - Quote Is Tippia actually a goon alt, or why is she licking their backsides always?
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 114	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:46:00 - [284] - Quote Mistress Motion wrote: Is Tippia actually a goon alt, or why is she licking their backsides always? Well just because they got similar view of what this game is. And they feel entitled to enlighten others that their view of this game is the correct one. I dont care either way. I am quite happy as it is. Things happens, i dont have any influence over those.
Shalia Ripper The Elevens 23	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:47:00 - [285] - Quote Vernn wrote: OR they could make it so you had to work on your security status for an hour before you could gank someone again after the 5th time? Sounds pretty reasonable to me. Wanna gank people? Sure, but you gotta pay the price! gankers do pay the price. lose of sec status, loss of the ship (no more insurance for Concorded ships). But they gain your tears. Stop enabling them. it is hardly a free ride.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 2038	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:52:00 - [286] - Quote Vernn wrote: Tippia, don't call me a liar. As soon as I got to the belt I hit "align to" with the station targeted and didn't move again. I was aligned. Aligned is not warping. Why not, when what you say is quite obviously untrue? You were not aligned. The reason you weren't aligned was because you didn't move. Unless you're moving (at GëÑ75% speed), you're not aligned. GÇ£Passive aligningGÇ¥ is a myth. If you are aligned, then you warp instantly when you click GÇ£Warp toGÇªGÇ¥. Quote: Please, share your retriever tank build with me. I already did. Others have also provided theirs. Quote: Do you even play this game? Exiting warp takes awhile? He was in a frigate. Makes no difference. There is a delay between arriving on grid and exiting warp and being able to lock someone. Quote: What is wrong with space that disallows repeated ganking? It breaks the game. The way the economy and industry and combat is wired together, everything player-owned and player-made needs to be destroyable at any time. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Lexmana Imperial Stout 100	Posted - 2011.12.13 06:53:00 - [287] - Quote Why are you mining blue ice and not something safer? Is it because the market pays well?
Visigente Natural Selection. 0	Posted - 2011.12.13 07:06:00 - [288] - Quote Vernn wrote: Shalia Ripper wrote: Vernn wrote: Shalia Ripper wrote: Things to do tomorrow. See if corp name "And Then Kestrels" is taken. if not, forn new corp. Just want the OP to know why I am coming after him. Pay locator agent to find the OP. Head to OP's system. He shouldn't be hard to find if he only works one belt. Suicide gank him to lower my obscene Sec status. ???? PROFIT! This guy gives decent non-whining carebears a bad name. He must be silenced. Seems fair, right? Yep, and the game mechanics would allow you to do just that. You could literally make it so I couldn't even really play the game anymore if you wanted to. Super game design huh? :) You could of course....upgrade from a retriever perhaps. Move once in a while. get friends. do something else for a while until they move on. buy ice. but since you assume your only option is to whine, well.....AND THEN KESTRELS. OR they could make it so you had to work on your security status for an hour before you could gank someone again after the 5th time? Sounds pretty reasonable to me. Wanna gank people? Sure, but you gotta pay the price! Something doesn't sound right here. So incase this isn't a troll (dunno, doesn't seem like it)... I've read most of this thread (skipped a couple pages) and I'm wondering if there's some missing information. It takes a very long time to raise sec status. So long that a lot of people just give up (i.e. - me) and end up at -10. You're only really an outlaw at -5.0, which is when you turn red. The other security status to system rating works like this: Players with -2.0 or worse will be attacked in 1.0 systems Players with -2.5 or worse will be attacked in 0.9 systems Players with -3.0 or worse will be attacked in 0.8 systems Players with -3.5 or worse will be attacked in 0.7 systems Players with -4.0 or worse will be attacked in 0.6 systems Players with -4.5 or worse will be attacked in 0.5 systems (via - http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Security_Status) The lower the security rating in the system, the slower the naval response time, giving prepared outlaws an option to skirt some systems to get to other lowsec pockets, or as the case has become, time enough to jump a ship in through a gate, warp, shoot, die, etc. If he's coming out of a station, then he either already knows exactly where you are already with a cloaked alt or bookmark (bookmark means you're sitting in exactly the same spot - that's not a good idea), or his sec status isn't low enough to be shot at in a 0.5 system. Even in point 5 systems the best you can really get away with jumping through a gate is at best a fast istabbed cruiser. Undocking from a station generally takes longer to warp off. Are you sure he's suicide ganking and not doing something else? My advice: - Think it through - Find another ice belt - Lay a trap (best way imo. catch him enough and he'll consider you a harder target) - Tank your boat (pay attention to what damage type he does) - leave your combat drones out and when comes in, target him. you'll get his km when he gets Concorded - Watch for his alt (Local channel) - Align out like someone suggested. An aligned ship is almost impossible to grab. There are two types. Soft aligns (not moving) and Hard Aligns (moving - generally around 75% of your top speed). - Higher mercs to deal with him If this has happened 5 different times in the same belt, then you're doing something wrong. Not saying you're dumb, just maybe something you missed or aren't experienced with.
Mistress Motion Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2011.12.13 07:14:00 - [289] - Quote Visigente wrote: - Align out like someone suggested. An aligned ship is almost impossible to grab. There are two types. Soft aligns (not moving) and Hard Aligns (moving - generally around 75% of your top speed). Hmmm. Do 'roids follow you within mining lazor range when you are aligned at 75% to somewhere?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 2038	Posted - 2011.12.13 07:20:00 - [290] - Quote Visigente wrote: - Align out like someone suggested. An aligned ship is almost impossible to grab. There are two types. Soft aligns (not moving) and Hard Aligns (moving - generally around 75% of your top speed). Or more accurately, there are two types: not aligned (not moving) and aligned (moving). The way the physics engine in EVE works, if you're not moving, you have no direction, and getting into warp takes exactly the same amount of time no matter which direction you want to go. Soft aligns do not exist. Mistress Motion wrote: Hmmm. Do 'roids follow you within mining lazor range when you are aligned at 75% to somewhere? No, but you're moving at (at most) 75m/s in a Retriever, so with 10km range, you have just over 4 minutes of flying before getting out of range. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Visigente Natural Selection. 0	Posted - 2011.12.13 07:20:00 - [291] - Quote Mistress Motion wrote: Visigente wrote: - Align out like someone suggested. An aligned ship is almost impossible to grab. There are two types. Soft aligns (not moving) and Hard Aligns (moving - generally around 75% of your top speed). Hmmm. Do 'roids follow you within mining lazor range when you are aligned at 75% to somewhere? Align to a celestial/station one direction. When you're nearly out of range align the opposite direction. Use something to reduce your max speed, like Trimarks, and alt with webs, whatever. Or set your speed to 50% or whatever. I don't mine so I'm not up on all the techniques. At least I tried instead of posting useless sarcasm.
Psychophantic 181	Posted - 2011.12.13 07:21:00 - [292] - Quote Visigente wrote: There are two types. Soft aligns (not moving) and Hard Aligns (moving - generally around 75% of your top speed). No such thing. Keep perpetuating the bad advice though.
Visigente Natural Selection. 0	Posted - 2011.12.13 07:26:00 - [293] - Quote Tippia wrote: Visigente wrote: - Align out like someone suggested. An aligned ship is almost impossible to grab. There are two types. Soft aligns (not moving) and Hard Aligns (moving - generally around 75% of your top speed). Or more accurately, there are two types: not aligned (not moving) and aligned (moving). The way the physics engine in EVE works, if you're not moving, you have no direction, and getting into warp takes exactly the same amount of time no matter which direction you want to go. Soft aligns do not exist. [quote=Mistress Motion]Hmmm. Do 'roids follow you within mining lazor range when you are aligned at 75% to somewhere? i've never been 100% convinced of this, but I've never actually tested it. If you know of anyone that has, let me know.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 2038	Posted - 2011.12.13 07:28:00 - [294] - Quote Visigente wrote: i've never been 100% convinced of this, but I've never actually tested it. If you know of anyone that has, let me know. I have. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Psychophantic 181	Posted - 2011.12.13 07:29:00 - [295] - Quote Visigente wrote: i've never been 100% convinced of this, but I've never actually tested it. If you know of anyone that has, let me know. One day someone will go through the exhaustive testing procedure of pointing their ship away from an object before warp and then pointing it towards it.
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 135	Posted - 2011.12.13 07:35:00 - [296] - Quote Vernn wrote: Tippia, don't call me a liar. As soon as I got to the belt I hit "align to" with the station targeted and didn't move again. I was aligned. Aligned is not warping. If you're not moving at >70% of max speed, you're not aligned properly. If you're not moving at all you're "Passively Aligned" which is the same as "Going fuckall anywhere fast." Passive align is the most pervasive myth in EVE after "Hisec is Safe Space" Quote: Please, share your retriever tank build with me. Tippia said you can double your EHP, which is true. You assumed he meant you could survive a determined attacker which isn't true (and not what he said). A determined attacker WILL kill you. All you have to do to avoid dying is to avoid making yourself a target. Goonswarm has publicly and loudly announced their plan to choke supply of OxyTopes down to nothing in order to raise the prices of the massive stockpiles they hold (specifically to profit from the price spike). They've been doing this for months now. In EVE as everywhere else, Knowledge is power. Quote: Do you even play this game? Exiting warp takes awhile? He was in a frigate. No matter what size ship you are in, you decelerate from warp at the same rate. Because of this you appear on grid a few seconds before you can do anything. Quote: What is wrong with space that disallows repeated ganking? As long as the potential profits are low, I don't see the problem. Even with the inflated prices its not like I would be getting rich mining ice. Ganking has two consequences, 1. You Lose your ship, 2. You slowly move towards becoming an outlaw. If someone has decided to accept those consequences, it is their right to attempt to gank you. The Oxy prices are high because people like you get ganked. Mine somewhere else if you want to be safer. Quote: Again, I don't mind an occasional ganking. What is happening here is just a mockery though. It is economic warfare. Have fun trying to dodge it.
Silverdaddy Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.12.13 07:43:00 - [297] - Quote Dude, they are mining your ship for tech 2 salvage.
Visigente Natural Selection. 0	Posted - 2011.12.13 07:49:00 - [298] - Quote Tippia wrote: Visigente wrote: i've never been 100% convinced of this, but I've never actually tested it. If you know of anyone that has, let me know. I have. Just fiddled with this for a bit. I stand corrected. Psychophantic wrote: Visigente wrote: There are two types. Soft aligns (not moving) and Hard Aligns (moving - generally around 75% of your top speed). No such thing. Keep perpetuating the bad advice though. I congratulate you on the nitpicking. You win eve. Psychophantic wrote: One day someone will go through the exhaustive testing procedure of pointing their ship away from an object before warp and then pointing it towards it. One day someone will give you a hug and your life will have meaning again. Hang in there champ.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 2038	Posted - 2011.12.13 07:51:00 - [299] - Quote Yoink. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Psychophantic 181	Posted - 2011.12.13 07:54:00 - [300] - Quote Visigente wrote: One day someone will give you a hug and you life will have meaning again. Hang in there champ. Don't get upset now.

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