If I go into an ice belt in a barge to mine, I can get ganked repeatedly by someone with a -10 security status?

Someone who is supposed to be insta killed by concord can somehow warp to me and kill me over and over again in practically free ships?

However are you seriously telling me that this game has come to the point where I can lose multimillion dollar ships in high sec to someone who has -10 sec rating over and over again?

People saw this coming when the Orca was first introduced. I'm kinda surprised it's taken this long to reach "crisis" levels.

JBut this is just flat out griefing. This isn't piracy, or playing a bad guy.

Whats the purpose of a security rating then if stuff like this can go on?

Solutions:

1) Don't mine in Gallente high-sec space you moron
2) Stop being complacent and playing under the assumption that CONCORD is there to protect you from the big mean gankers, they're not.
3) The guy locking you didn't miss the rock/ice/whatever, he's probably scanning you. That's the first sign of trouble.

By the way, -10 characters don't get popped by CONCORD until they get a GCC. The faction navies chase them around, and they're very different from CONCORD (you can tank/evade/pop them)

It's not griefing GÇö it's just standard suicide ganking.
The purpose of a security rating is to make things a bit more difficult for the pirates, and make them legal targets for anyone to attack.

So repeated suicide ganking isn't griefing? Lets be honest, we are splitting hairs at this point.

Make things a bit more difficult for pirates? They don't seem to be having any difficulties. In fact it doesn't seem to have slowed them down at all.

Make them legal targets to attack? Why would anyone attack them when they are flying around throw away ships? There is no motivation.

1) I have a degree in electrical engineering. I hardly feel that calling me a moron is justified. But if it makes you feel like a big person, then I don't mind.

1) I have a degree in electrical engineering. I hardly feel that calling me a moron is justified. But if it makes you feel like a big person, then I don't mind.

2) Fair enough. I'll leave the game then for another with some semblance of fairness built into it.

3) There were only two other people in the system with me at any given time. Neither ever target locked me. The ganker warped directly on top of me each time and killed me. This is another aspect of the situation I don't understand. How could he warp in right on top of me?

4) Security rating is meaningless then and should just removed from the game. Why have a security rating system when in essence it really doesn't affect anyone's "security" lol?

2) Fair enough. I'll leave the game then for another with some semblance of fairness built into it.

4) Security rating is meaningless then and should just removed from the game. Why have a security rating system when in essence it really doesn't affect anyone's "security" lol?

I have a degree in electrical engineering. I hardly feel that calling me a moron is justified.

I'll leave the game then for another with some semblance of fairness built into it.

There were only two other people in the system with me at any given time. Neither ever target locked me. The ganker warped directly on top of me each time and killed me. This is another aspect of the situation I don't understand. How could he warp in right on top of me?

Security rating is meaningless then and should just removed from the game. Why have a security rating system when in essence it really doesn't affect anyone's "security" lol?

So suicide ganking isn't griefing? Lets be honest, we are splitting hairs at this point.

Make things a bit more difficult for pirates? They don't seem to be having any difficulties. In fact it doesn't seem to have slowed them down at all.

Make them legal targets to attack? Why would anyone attack them when they are flying around throw away ships? There is no motivation.

Do they mass produce arrogant idiots who wave around degrees with no sort of verification on the internet in a vain attempt to appear intelligent and worthy of respect? Because seriously, you're the second one I've found today. You aren't the only person with a college degree, and a college degree hardly verifies your intellect or your common sense. To say the least of you making such a claim on the internets, which we all know are filled to bursting with truth.

Because that makes things more difficult for them and because, even in throw-away ships, you're taking things away from them (in particular, you're robbing them of the thing that really hurts: the kill). It's not the game's fault if you give them carte blanche to do what they want.

Oh, and it does indeed slow them down, because the logistics of the whole thing becomes a bit more complicated and because they no longer have a free choice of ships to use.

Both Tipia and Andski...

You failed at following.

It is un-fair. But life is not fair nor the EVE is. Thats how it is. You gonna get screwed and asking for fairness never worked in this game or in life.

Are -10 not allowed to trade in stations? Because if they can then your argument is weak. Any alt could bring them any ship they wanted in as great a supply as they wanted.

I guess I worded it wrong, but yeah, crying about unfairness in EVE Online, a game centered in a hyper-capitalistic dog-eat-dog universe, is silly.

Well, if they mass produce arrogant idiots like me, then they also must mass produce people like you who who feel powerful from belittling others. Very very sad. But you have a nice day anyway. :)

GǪwhich makes the logistics a bit more complicated and limits their choice in ships.

My argument simply is that someone with a -10 rating should not be allowed to kill the same person over and over again in the same spot in high sec.

I am against a player with a -10 security rating killing the same people in the same spot over and over again in high sec without any penalty other than losing a ship with almost no value.

No, i'm not crying about general unfairness in all of eve. I am commenting on a very specific situation that defies logic.

Follow me here.

I get the fact that eve is not a carebear game. I do. I am not crying about being blown up. It happens. I am not complaining about the fact that people can suicide gank. If someone wrongs you bad enough you should be able to suicide gank, with a real consequence.

My argument simply is that someone with a -10 rating should not be allowed to kill the same person over and over again in the same spot in high sec.

Yes, I get it. The very nature of eve dictates that you're never truly safe anywhere, and I appreciate the heart pounding moments that can bring to the game. I am not against suicide ganking.

I am against a player with a -10 security rating killing the same people in the same spot over and over again in high sec without any penalty other than losing a ship with almost no value.

I think its a pretty narrow and reasonable complaint.

No, i'm not crying about general unfairness in all of eve. I am commenting on a very specific situation that defies logic.

Follow me here.

I get the fact that eve is not a carebear game. I do. I am not crying about being blown up. It happens. I am not complaining about the fact that people can suicide gank. If someone wrongs you bad enough you should be able to suicide gank, with a real consequence.

My argument simply is that someone with a -10 rating should not be allowed to kill the same person over and over again in the same spot in high sec.

Yes, I get it. The very nature of eve dictates that you're never truly safe anywhere, and I appreciate the heart pounding moments that can bring to the game. I am not against suicide ganking.

I am against a player with a -10 security rating killing the same people in the same spot over and over again in high sec without any penalty other than losing a ship with almost no value.

I think its a pretty narrow and reasonable complaint.

If the person is stupid enough to sit in the same spot over and over again, making him the easiest target ever, why shouldn't someone be able to keep killing him there?

Why not?

If the person is stupid enough to sit in the same spot over and over again, making him the easiest target ever, why shouldn't someone be able to keep killing him there?

So enforce the other penalties that this act generates GÇö they're yours to enforce for a reasonGǪ

"High Security" doesn't mean "safe" in EVE. Accept that and we'll continue the discussion.

Do they mass produce arrogant idiots who wave around degrees with no sort of verification on the internet in a vain attempt to appear intelligent and worthy of respect? Because seriously, you're the second one I've found today. You aren't the only person with a college degree, and a college degree hardly verifies your intellect or your common sense. To say the least of you making such a claim on the internets, which we all know are filled to bursting with truth.

Tippia, we are at the point where you may as well just come out and say what you want. You want all of the game to be 0.0 don't you?

I will never understand why the pirate types despise high sec so much.

It is HIGH SEC Tippia.

Its so sad. Eve could be such a great game.

Its griefing, everyone knows it. Its totally obvious, but I doubt anything will ever be done about it.

Its so sad. Eve could be such a great game. It really could, but stuff like this just ruins the whole thing and leaves a bad taste in the average players mouth.

Its griefing, everyone knows it. Its totally obvious, but I doubt anything will ever be done about it.

I guess I'll come back in another couple years when the number of people logging on is down to 20k, and maybe they will be ready to put some sanity into the game.

Its so sad. Eve could be such a great game. It really could, but stuff like this just ruins the whole thing and leaves a bad taste in the average players mouth.

Its griefing, everyone knows it. Its totally obvious, but I doubt anything will ever be done about it.

I guess I'll come back in another couple years when the number of people logging on is down to 20k, and maybe they will be ready to put some sanity into the game.

No, i'm not crying about general unfairness in all of eve. I am commenting on a very specific situation that defies logic.

Follow me here.

I get the fact that eve is not a carebear game. I do. I am not crying about being blown up. It happens. I am not complaining about the fact that people can suicide gank. If someone wrongs you bad enough you should be able to suicide gank, with a real consequence.

My argument simply is that someone with a -10 rating should not be allowed to kill the same person over and over again in the same spot in high sec.

Yes, I get it. The very nature of eve dictates that you're never truly safe anywhere, and I appreciate the heart pounding moments that can bring to the game. I am not against suicide ganking.

I am against a player with a -10 security rating killing the same people in the same spot over and over again in high sec without any penalty other than losing a ship with almost no value.

I think its a pretty narrow and reasonable complaint.

This apparently is a pointless discussion. This is a game, its supposed to be fun. I don't consider someone attacking me repeatedly with no consequence to them to be fun.

Clearly there are greener pastures for me elsewhere.

you understand that the fact that they are in high sec with -10 sec status means that you and anyone else can attack them without getting concorded, right? how is that not enough for you?

Its so sad. Eve could be such a great game. It really could, but stuff like this just ruins the whole thing and leaves a bad taste in the average players mouth.

Its griefing, everyone knows it. Its totally obvious, but I doubt anything will ever be done about it.

I guess I'll come back in another couple years when the number of people logging on is down to 20k, and maybe they will be ready to put some sanity into the game.

This apparently is a pointless discussion. This is a game, its supposed to be fun. I don't consider someone attacking me repeatedly with no consequence to them to be fun.

Clearly there are greener pastures for me elsewhere.

This apparently is a pointless discussion. This is a game, its supposed to be fun. I don't consider someone attacking me repeatedly with no consequence to them to be fun.

Clearly there are greener pastures for me elsewhere.

1) I can't attack them when they are sitting in a station.

2) Why would I attack them if they are flying a kestrel? The bullets I would shoot could potentially be worth more than their ship. They are griefers. They will not risk anything real. Thats why they do what they do. They are taking advantage of the games mechanics to inflict harm to others. If they had to pay a real price for what they were doing, they wouldn't do it.

Maybe there are. EVE is not for everyone. Altho 80 percent of EVE population living in high-sec kind of gives away the fact that it is indeed high security.

You just had a bad luck, bad day and bitter experience.

This apparently is a pointless discussion. This is a game, its supposed to be fun. I don't consider someone attacking me repeatedly with no consequence to them to be fun.

Why would I attack them if they are flying a kestrel?

They are taking advantage of the games mechanics to inflict harm to others.

If I go into an ice belt in a barge to mine, I can get ganked repeatedly by someone with a -10 security status?

Someone who is supposed to be insta killed by concord can somehow warp to me and kill me over and over again in practically free ships?

I have no problem whatsoever with being ganked, so long as they take the security hit, and after several times concord instagibs them. Keeps the game fun having to pay attention for stuff like that.

However are you seriously telling me that this game has come to the point where I can lose multimillion isk ships in high sec to someone who has -10 sec rating over and over again?

Really?


*stunned*

1) I can't attack them when they are sitting in a station.

2) Why would I attack them if they are flying a kestrel? The bullets I would shoot could potentially be worth more than their ship. They are griefers. They will not risk anything real. Thats why they do what they do. They are taking advantage of the games mechanics to inflict harm to others. If they had to pay a real price for what they were doing, they wouldn't do it.

1) how are they killing you from the station?

2) they should be easy to kill then.

Pop him every time he leaves the station for 3 days. He will move. Find someplace more fun.

And there isn't a single ammo in the game that at average market price is worth more than a fit frigate. maybe a few hundred rounds, sure. but a cruiser can pop a frig in about 5 shots easy. Especially because gankers don't fit tank (usually).

My guess is he undocks, scans for me, sees my ship type (not sure what info scanning gives) warps to me and kills me. If I was sitting in a shuttle in the system I'm sure he would never show up.

How long have you played this game and not known this?

2/10.

This is a game, its supposed to be fun.

On this point you're completely wrong (and you're the 2nd person I've had to correct on this point today.) EVE is not really a game, per se, it is a virtual world. It is not 'supposed' to be exciting or boring. It is not 'supposed' to be easy or hard. It is not 'supposed' to be fun or excruciating. Any more than life is. But the mechanics need to make sense and be 'fair' or else the integrity of the virtual world and the sense of immersion are compromised.

Botting, exploits and flawed (unfair) game mechanics are poison to virtual worlds. CCP has a long track record of neglect in these areas and that is indeed the single biggest problem holding EVE back from its potential.

GǪand thus we have concluded that it is, indeed, not griefing.

I'm still out roughly 20 million and by your plan 20 hours of game time. Even if I did kill him he would be out what? A kestrel?

Who's getting the short end of that deal?

Where the hell do you buy ammo?

Even using the most expensive ammo I can find on the local market, I could fire over 1000 volleys before reaching 20M. And that is a lot of dead Kestrals.

It was a metaphor. The point is that no matter what goes down the griefer is the one coming out ahead. WAY WAY WAY ahead. The game gives him the power.

A griefer is a player who does things in a game to deliberately cause annoyance ("grief" in the sense of "giving someone grief") for the griefer's own enjoyment. Such a player is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals.

Not a metaphor. maybe you meant hyperbole... but it was a bad one at that as it was terribly invalid.

And he isn't bloody griefing!

well griefing as an term is really "new-age MMORPG" abbreviation for PK.

It was a metaphor. The point is that no matter what goes down the griefer ganker is the one coming out ahead. WAY WAY WAY ahead. The game gives him the power.

From wikipedia....

From wikipedia....



We are talking about griefing, plain and simple. The ganker gets nothing tangible from what he does. And ironically we can see that in eve there really are no "penalties related to in-game goals" for the gankers.

That is a general (and in this case invalid) description of griefing.


In EVE (as per the devs) suiciding is not ganking. Until you take some measure to avoid it, it is perfecting legitimate.

Now, if he followed you around to many systems hunting you (and even then its grey) it could be considered griefing. But as you won't move, or take any measures to make him move, it isn't griefing. Just you being a moron.

God... you make me want to go gank miners... and I'm a pacifist.



EDIT: and there are penalties, you try it for months on end, see how much ISK you end up with.

From wikipedia....



We are talking about griefing, plain and simple. The ganker gets nothing tangible from what he does. And ironically we can see that in eve there really are no "penalties related to in-game goals" for the gankers.

they don't make EE majors take writing classes.

So why is the ganker ganking then? Why does he do it? If its not griefing then that means he has some good reason. If not then its griefing. Why can't you see that?

So why is the ganker ganking then? Why does he do it? If its not griefing then that means he has some good reason. If not then its griefing. Why can't you see that?

so, no matter how many times YOU say it's griefing, if CCP don't agree then - within the universe they created, maintain and run - it is NOT griefing.

You may feel it is, but that doesn't make it so. But you have come to the right conclusion, this game isn't for you and you should find one that better suits your play style.

So why is the ganker ganking then? Why does he do it?

So why is the ganker ganking then? Why does he do it? If its not griefing then that means he has some good reason. If not then its griefing. Why can't you see that?

So if CCP says calling people names based on their race isn't racism, then according to you it wouldn't be racism?

So if CCP says calling people names based on their race isn't racism, then according to you it wouldn't be racism?

Did you miss that part of GÇ£campaign against ice minersGÇ¥?
Have you noticed the existence of kill mails?
Have you seen the Crime & Punishment subforum?
Have you seen the ice market recently?
Have you had a look at your own fittings and drops?

There are roughly eighty bajillion reasons.

GǪand your choice to offer yourself as a dependable and easy target for any and all of the above doesn't help.

And how are any of those tangible benefits to them?


THEY ARE GRIEFERS!

Look me and you are just going to have to agree to disagree ok. Nuff said.

And how are any of those tangible benefits to them?


THEY ARE GRIEFERS!

Look me and you are just going to have to agree to disagree ok. Nuff said.

And how are any of those tangible benefits to them?

THEY ARE GRIEFERS!

THEY ARE GRIEFERS!

On this point you're completely wrong (and you're the 2nd person I've had to correct on this point today.) EVE is not really a game, per se, it is a virtual world. It is not 'supposed' to be exciting or boring. It is not 'supposed' to be easy or hard. It is not 'supposed' to be fun or excruciating. Any more than life is. But the mechanics need to make sense and be 'fair' or else the integrity of the virtual world and the sense of immersion are compromised.

Botting, exploits and flawed (unfair) game mechanics are poison to virtual worlds. CCP has a long track record of neglect in these areas and that is indeed the single biggest problem holding EVE back from its potential.

In EVE, they're just entertainment.

So why is the ganker ganking then? Why does he do it? If its not griefing then that means he has some good reason. If not then its griefing. Why can't you see that?

Fair enough, but you DO realise you're agreeing to disagree with CCP, right? Tippia is simply relaying what they have previously said, not making these rules up.

So....now what?

So why is the ganker ganking then? Why does he do it? If its not griefing then that means he has some good reason. If not then its griefing. Why can't you see that?

Assuming you're in Gallente space, the Goons have decided to launch a full scale incursion into Gallente space in an attempt to cripple their enemies' logistics. Gallente capships need the oxytopes to cyno around. If Oxytopes are too expensive to obtain, less cynoing of capships by the Goons' enemies.

SO, the fact that you're sitting in an ice belt, in space that has a widely advertised attack on anyone found mining ice means that the ganker is doing it for a purpose.

Also, keep in mind that "he was in the damn belt" is a perfectly good reason for someone to shoot you, repeatedly. The devs do not consider this to be greifing, as the reasons could potentially be any of the following (note, completely made up by me...)

You're a damn botter
You're in "his corp's" space
You're mining "his" ice
You're a damn botter
You're supplying his enemies
You're ruining his profits
You're a damn moron for mining in Gallente space
You're a damn botter
He doesn't like your avatar's picture
Your sister (in game) rejected him
(If they ever get the multiplayer WiS working) you picked up that cute girl sitting in the corner he had his eyes on
You caught the eye of one of his exotic dancers
You're a damn botter

and there are probably loads of other reasons for you to get ganked.

CCP is having financial trouble, their subscribers have been dropping, and the majority of their players hang out in high sec. Do the math. Maybe they should change some of their definitions.

From Websters online


Obtuse ... " ...2 a: lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect : insensitive, stupid

b: difficult to comprehend : not clear or precise in thought or expression .... "

I myself don't like some of the hisec game mechanics, but FFS, buy a vowel, geta clue...something.. Because your constant shrill whining on this subject is now grown to the point of irritating someone - myself - who would normally be right with you on this subject.

Not because people can gank in hisec, but because of the silly game mechanics that are used/ allow it.

So either just let it go and ride off into the sunset or , I dunno, LEARN FROM YOUR FRIGGIN MISTAKES !

CCP is having financial trouble, their subscribers have been dropping, and the majority of their players hang out in high sec. Do the math. Maybe they should change some of their definitions.

More insults.

More insults. Nice. Excellent way to make a counter argument.

Again with moron. Didn't your mother's give you enough hugs growing up? Some of you people are just flat out vitriolic.

If you find that an insult, you have bigger problems than we all assumed...

called you a damn botter FOUR times, and you pick up on "you're a moron for ignoring the highly publicised gallente ice interdiction"...

called you a damn botter FOUR times, and you pick up on "you're a moron for ignoring the highly publicised gallente ice interdiction"...

I personally liked the "Your sister rejected him" one.

And the hits just keep on coming. Please refrain from the insults. They accomplish nothing.

I don't see how the mechanics of ganking are beneficial in the whole to this game. They are a bad idea, they give way too much power to way too small of a segment of the population, and there are no real benefits for doing what the gankers do.

Those are my arguments and I'm sticking to them.

And the hits just keep on coming. Please refrain from the insults. They accomplish nothing.

I don't see how the mechanics of ganking are beneficial in the whole to this game. They are a bad idea, they give way too much power to way too small of a segment of the population, and there are no real benefits for doing what the gankers do.

Those are my arguments and I'm sticking to them.

I don't see how the mechanics of ganking are beneficial in the whole to this game.

and there are no real benefits for doing what the gankers do.

Those are my arguments and I'm sticking to them.

More insults. Nice. Excellent way to make a counter argument.

And the hits just keep on coming. Please refrain from the insults. They accomplish nothing.

I don't see how the mechanics of ganking are beneficial in the whole to this game. They are a bad idea, they give way too much power to way too small of a segment of the population, and there are no real benefits for doing what the gankers do.

Those are my arguments and I'm sticking to them.

Looks like they produced massed arrogant idiots that put other people down in a vain attempt to appear intelligent and worthy of respect. Perhaps if you had a degree you might see the irony there.

EDIT: Damnit in second...

You know I'm beginning to get the feeling that I AM talking to the gankers.

Such a wonderful community. So much heart. So much love and warmth.

Dollars edited to isk for the overly literal. lol


So in essence what you're saying is that in this game you are paying to get griefed anytime anywhere?


Well, my return to eve will be short then.

Hey there Vernn!

Mining blue ice is currently illegal but you are welcome to mine any other type of ice. If you had spent as much time moving a few systems over and mining a different type of ice as you did whining here you could have made hundreds of isk by now.

If, on the other hand, you simply must mine blue ice there are several miner protection plans available from any Goonswarm Federation members you see in local. Send a PM to one of them and they will get you on the list of approved miners right away after you take care of the fees.

Now that I've briefly skimmed this. See how you are all argueing against one guy? 9.5/10

Does everyone now finally see the problem?

They have all the power!

I have to pay them in high sec or I have to risk millions in ships.

They are risking KESTRELS!

Does everyone now finally see the problem?

They have all the power!

I have to pay them in high sec or I have to risk millions in ships.

They are risking.................wait for it...........................



KESTRELS!



And the MMO Game Design of the Year award goes to........................not CCP. =/

Now that I've briefly skimmed this. See how you are all argueing against one guy? 9.5/10

Does everyone now finally see the problem?

They have all the power!

I have to pay them in high sec or I have to risk millions in ships.

They are risking.................wait for it...........................



KESTRELS!



And the MMO Game Design of the Year award goes to........................not CCP. =/

Screw edits. Tippia and goonie both sucked into thread from page one? 10 out of mother ******* 10

They only have the power you give them.

I've mined blue ice here and there in Gallente space without paying (I'm so going to regret saying this). Made a lot too.

Had to work for it of course.



Anyway, if you let someone walk all over you, of course they will have the power. You gave it to them the moment you decided it was to much work to take defensive measures.

Edit: yeah Dan, if this is a troll, at least he keeps up well. And if not... I worry.

No, several people have agreed. They just aren't the ones slinging insults and throwing around common internet fodder like "9.5/10."

No, several people have agreed. They just aren't the ones slinging insults and throwing around common internet fodder like "9.5/10."

Screw edits. Tippia and goonie both sucked into thread from page one? 10 out of mother ******* 10

How are you missing this? I CAN GO ANYWHERE AND DO ANYTHING AND THEY CAN KEEP DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING?


ITS BAD GAME DESIGN. BAD! BAD BAD BAD! =P

How are you missing this? I CAN GO ANYWHERE AND DO ANYTHING AND THEY CAN KEEP DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING? Anywhere I go except a station. Anywhere in space they can do it.


ITS BAD GAME DESIGN. BAD! BAD BAD BAD! =P

How are you missing this? I CAN GO ANYWHERE AND DO ANYTHING AND THEY CAN KEEP DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING? Anywhere I go except a station. Anywhere in space they can do it.


ITS BAD GAME DESIGN. BAD! BAD BAD BAD! =P

Or you can ******* shoot back at them, pop them till they move somewhere else. And if you don't want to put forth a little effort then you can take your entitled ass and leave.



Edit: I apologize to all the cool headed people here. I have lost my temper... and must now bow out of this before I try to join Goons in their interdiction, an action I would likely regret in the long run.

No. It's a sandbox. A very very good one.

Mining barges don't have guns

they won't come out unless you're in a mining barge.

I CAN GO ANYWHERE AND DO ANYTHING AND THEY CAN KEEP DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING? Anywhere I go except a station. Anywhere in space they can do it.

no, if they follow you, then you petition them for griefing.

note -- if you move systems, and SOMEONE ELSE starts shooting you for any of the afore-mentioned reasons ... guess you chose a bad system. Keep in mind that the goons do have a very public interdiction on gallente ice right now, so it would be in your best interests to not go to another system with blue ice in it (just sayin').

Mining barges don't have guns, and they won't come out unless you're in a mining barge. I understand your sentiment, but it has no practical application in this situation.

Mining ice in Caldari, Minmatar, and Amarr space is currently legal. Go forth and mine ice to your heart's content.

So by the games design they can control an enormous part of the games economy with kestrels

Seriously?

Or else you'll come get me in your.................................


kestrel


Game of the year right here people!

TBH, a kestrel shoul... wait, you're not mining in a completely un-tanked retriever are you?

Or else you'll come get me in your.................................


kestrel


Game of the year right here people!

Retriever.

Corina wants me to fight off a suicide ganker that warps right on top of me and opens fire a second later with....................



drones




Please, lets stay in the realm of the practical here.

Retriever. I crunched the numbers. Wouldn't matter what I put on it. I'd be toast.

When your security status gets low enough and you enter a system too high in security rating compared to your negative security status, TWO things of note happen :
(1) the NAVY of the sovereign faction will attack you (same as it happens with enemy militia players)
*** in the SPECIAL CASE EXCEPTION when you do that in a system where CONCORD has sov, then you WILL get CONCORDOKKENED, but otherwise it's just navy ships - annoying but avoidable, killable, tankable
and
(2) OTHER PLAYERS CAN SHOOT AT YOU WHENEVER THEY DAMN WELL PLEASE without getting CONCORDOKKENED themselves.

If I go into an ice belt in a barge to mine, I can get ganked repeatedly by someone with a -10 security status?

Someone who is supposed to be insta killed by concord can somehow warp to me and kill me over and over again in practically free ships?

I have no problem whatsoever with being ganked, so long as they take the security hit, and after several times concord instagibs them. Keeps the game fun having to pay attention for stuff like that.

However are you seriously telling me that this game has come to the point where I can lose multimillion isk ships in high sec to someone who has -10 sec rating over and over again?

Really?


*stunned*

I prefer to use a Brutix because they are classier. What really gets me hot, though, is the new tier 3 battlecruisers...battleship level DPS for a fraction of the battleship's price! My massive thighs are literally quaking with excitement

Q< If i kill outlaw do he get an kill right afterwards ?

If so, isnt killing the outlaw actuall punishment for the one who shot it ?

You're telling me thats not a griefer?

"My massive thighs are literally quaking with excitement"

Yeah, he sounds like he is trying to make progress in the game.

Do what they want you to do, leave. Unlike the zealots who troll you, you're not married to EVE. This game now averages 20-25K online with mediocre spikes. CCP know 8 year old games never recover from that. The xenophobes on the forums don't but you see the "bread and butter" of EVE.

Go play test server untill your account runs out, then try another game. Give it 3 or 4 months you will get a 5 day free return or a $5 killmail from CCP. I know you are pissed but trust me, once you get away for a few months it all seems far less frustrating and all rather pathetic.

GL

I prefer to use a Brutix because they are classier. What really gets me hot, though, is the new tier 3 battlecruisers...battleship level DPS for a fraction of the battleship's price! My massive thighs are literally quaking with excitement

No. As an outlaw, he's a legal target.

Kill rights are only handed out to illegal targets who are killed in (unresisted) attacks.

Do what they want you to do, leave. Unlike the zealots who troll you, you're not married to EVE. This game now averages 20-25K online with mediocre spikes. CCP know 8 year old games never recover from that. The xenophobes on the forums don't but you see the "bread and butter" of EVE.

Go play test server untill your account runs out, then try another game. Give it 3 or 4 months you will get a 5 day free return or a $5 killmail from CCP. I know you are pissed but trust me, once you get away for a few months it all seems far less frustrating and all rather pathetic.

GL

You're telling me thats not a griefer?


"My massive thighs are literally quaking with excitement"


Yeah, he sounds like he is trying to make progress in the game.

I've known probably 100 clowns just like this guy and his buddies in other games. All they wanna do is upset the status quo no matter what they have to do to do it. They don't care what happens to anyone. They aren't concerned with the integrity of the game. They just want to cause the maximum amount of grief with the least amount of effort.

They are griefers. That is what they do.

You're telling me thats not a griefer?


"My massive thighs are literally quaking with excitement"


Yeah, he sounds like he is trying to make progress in the game.

I've known probably 100 clowns just like this guy and his buddies in other games. All they wanna do is upset the status quo no matter what they have to do to do it. They don't care what happens to anyone. They aren't concerned with the integrity of the game. They just want to cause the maximum amount of grief with the least amount of effort.

They are griefers. That is what they do.

thanks.. that makes things even easier... In defending against them... you can actually camp gates and forbid them entering system you intend to mine..

Altho it require some level of social interaction...

So they have complete power over me to stop me from mining blue ice in highsec

And in this game they are suicide gankers who keep the market running (well, the mining ships and modules market at least).

So they have complete power over me to stop me from mining blue ice in highsec and all they had to risk to do that was.....................................................................



kestrels

Ok, so I can kill them, and then go get my barge and start mining ice, and then.....................................


kestrels

Driving blue ice to almost 500k a unit is keeping the market running?

Driving blue ice to almost 500k a unit is keeping the market running? I don't think so.

Ok, I've given up... the guy is either a troll (9/10 in that case) or a complete twit who thinks they are entitled to control how others play the game without putting any effort into it themselves.

No point trying to correct either.

complete twit who thinks they are entitled to control how others play the game

No, its called market manipulation. Which is a way to make profit. Happens in the real world, even with laws and such against it. In EVE, there are no market laws, its (almost) the perfect Capitalist utopia. Deal with it.

If I go into an ice belt in a barge to mine, I can get ganked repeatedly by someone with a -10 security status?

Someone who is supposed to be insta killed by concord can somehow warp to me and kill me over and over again in practically free ships?

I have no problem whatsoever with being ganked, so long as they take the security hit, and after several times concord instagibs them. Keeps the game fun having to pay attention for stuff like that.

However are you seriously telling me that this game has come to the point where I can lose multimillion isk ships in high sec to someone who has -10 sec rating over and over again?

Really?


*stunned*