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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 2037	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:10:00 - [211] - Quote Velicitia wrote: o_O did someone forget to lock the doors to CAOD again? Well, he's in an NPC corp, but that would explain a hell of a lot, wouldn't itGÇª Vernn wrote: Unable to respond? I have made many logical arguments. No, you've made a lot of nonsensical and counterfactual noise about Kestrels GÇö stuff that is instantly proven as untrue and only a result of your over-active imagination. You haven't actually responded to anything anyone has told you in this thread, as your further repetition of your Kestrel fetish shows. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 114	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:10:00 - [212] - Quote Vernn wrote: Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Vernn wrote: Zions Child wrote: Vernn wrote: So they have complete power over me to stop me from mining blue ice in highsec and all they had to risk to do that was..................................................................... kestrels Yep. You know why? Because there are thousands of people like you, people who refuse to adapt. If you aren't going to adapt, then you deserve everything you get. Also, holyshitninepages. Adapt? I would love to adapt. Put some way into the game for me to armor and arm my mining barge. Make the skills take two months even if you want. Then I will adapt. There is no adaptation in the game that will satisfy this situation. If I want to mine blue ice how am I to adapt exactly? heh remote shield/armor extenders hulk +30 ships specialized on remote shield/armor extending... = hulk with 1,2 mil ehp That would make it slightly more interesting. So I can put more of my money and time on the line versus their risk of losing their........................... kestrel Besides, you aren't going to save a retriever against a gank. Not gunna happen unless you got 10 ships boosting you. well mechanics/new ships and modules I described are not in game, and they wont be implemented since it would totally destroy any semblence of logistic ships.... And no you cant defened effectively against suicide ganking... unless you stay docked... You simply cant, even full tanked hulk will get destroyed, freighters are suicide ganked too ... there is just not a think you can do.. Just fasten your seat-belts, party begins.
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:10:00 - [213] - Quote Velicitia wrote: funny, my retriever survived the mock encounter with a Kestrel... Ok go mine some blue ice and report back.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1043	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:12:00 - [214] - Quote Vernn wrote: Velicitia wrote: funny, my retriever survived the mock encounter with a Kestrel... Ok go mine some blue ice and report back. I should report you for encouraging people to do something illegal. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:13:00 - [215] - Quote Tippia wrote: Velicitia wrote: o_O did someone forget to lock the doors to CAOD again? Well, he's in an NPC corp, but that would explain a hell of a lot, wouldn't itGÇª Vernn wrote: Unable to respond? I have made many logical arguments. No, you've made a lot of nonsensical and noise about Kestrels GÇö stuff that is instantly proven as untrue and only a result of your over-active imagination. You haven't actually responded to anything anyone has told you in this thread, as your further repetition of your Kestrel fetish shows. Posting all of this on my main would be moronic. Then your jabs would be warranted.
Velicitia Open Designs 193	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:13:00 - [216] - Quote Vernn wrote: Velicitia wrote: funny, my retriever survived the mock encounter with a Kestrel... Ok go mine some blue ice and report back. how much is "some"?
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:13:00 - [217] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Vernn wrote: Velicitia wrote: funny, my retriever survived the mock encounter with a Kestrel... Ok go mine some blue ice and report back. how much is "some"? lol
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 114	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:13:00 - [218] - Quote Anyway enjoy... You are effective .. over ten pages.. because of Kestrel what the **** happened with BECAUSE OF FALCON.. I used to fly retrievers, then i took arrow in my knee... Actually that is an lie. i dont have skills to fly one.
Velicitia Open Designs 193	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:14:00 - [219] - Quote Vernn wrote: Velicitia wrote: Vernn wrote: Velicitia wrote: funny, my retriever survived the mock encounter with a Kestrel... Ok go mine some blue ice and report back. how much is "some"? lol so, I ask a serious question, and get a useless response. Very well then.
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:15:00 - [220] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Vernn wrote: Velicitia wrote: funny, my retriever survived the mock encounter with a Kestrel... Ok go mine some blue ice and report back. I should report you for encouraging people to do something illegal. Yeah dude, we get it. Big funny face, stupid corp name, you make funnies. You're big rebels. So funny taking advantage of poor game mechanics to get your jollies off other's grief. You sir are a WINNER!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 2038	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:15:00 - [221] - Quote Vernn wrote: Posting all of this on my main would be moronic. Then your jabs would be warranted. Well, could you please go back to CAOD and spew your particular brand of fictional nonsense there instead then? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 2038	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:18:00 - [222] - Quote Vernn wrote: You have very dictatorial views. Nope. That's why, of the two of us, I'm not the one who's demanding that legal gameplay must be disallowed from certain parts of space for completely fabricated reasons. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Velicitia Open Designs 193	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:19:00 - [223] - Quote Vernn wrote: Sit there for two hours mining. so, like 18-20 blocks then ... you do realise that's like 10m ISK, and you would do a lot better just mining veldspar, right? oh well... @ Lady Harlot -- if I give you 40 ISK, and a shot with the OP's sister, you think I could take a peek at the Goonswarm ice patrols for the next ... oh, 4 hours?
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:20:00 - [224] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Vernn wrote: Sit there for two hours mining. so, like 18-20 blocks then ... you do realise that's like 10m ISK, and you would do a lot better just mining veldspar, right? The point was not about the cost, it was about the viability of in fact sitting there for two hours mining ice and staying intact.
Velicitia Open Designs 193	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:21:00 - [225] - Quote Vernn wrote: Velicitia wrote: Vernn wrote: Sit there for two hours mining. so, like 18-20 blocks then ... you do realise that's like 10m ISK, and you would do a lot better just mining veldspar, right? The point was not about the cost, it was about the viability of in fact sitting there for two hours mining ice and staying intact. Time is ISK mate ...
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:23:00 - [226] - Quote Tippia wrote: Vernn wrote: You have very dictatorial views. Nope. That's why, of the two of us, I'm not the one who's demanding that legal gameplay must be disallowed from certain parts of space for completely fabricated reasons. We disagree. There is nothing wrong with that. You have made it known you disagree with me. You may be on your way. I certainly wouldn't call my views fabricated. What I've said is true. A few people have in essence shut down a significant portion of the eve economy and in the process griefed many many players while risking nothing more than.............................................. kestrels Now seeing as how this is a game that is clearly based on risk/reward then I'm sure you would agree that what I just said is most certainly fact and not fabricated, and that it lacks any form of balance that would pertain to any idea of risk versus reward.
Montevius Williams Eclipse Industrial Inc 162	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:23:00 - [227] - Quote AkJon Ferguson wrote: Vernn wrote: This is a game, its supposed to be fun. On this point you're completely wrong (and you're the 2nd person I've had to correct on this point today.) EVE is not really a game, per se, it is a virtual world. It is not 'supposed' to be exciting or boring. It is not 'supposed' to be easy or hard. It is not 'supposed' to be fun or excruciating. Any more than life is. But the mechanics need to make sense and be 'fair' or else the integrity of the virtual world and the sense of immersion are compromised. Botting, exploits and flawed (unfair) game mechanics are poison to virtual worlds. CCP has a long track record of neglect in these areas and that is indeed the single biggest problem holding EVE back from its potential. Huh? EVE is a video game EVE is a Multiple Massively Online Roleplaying Game I bolded the important part. EVE is fun to me...if it wasnt fun, I wouldn't be playing. I think most people feel this way that play video games
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:26:00 - [228] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Vernn wrote: Velicitia wrote: Vernn wrote: Sit there for two hours mining. so, like 18-20 blocks then ... you do realise that's like 10m ISK, and you would do a lot better just mining veldspar, right? The point was not about the cost, it was about the viability of in fact sitting there for two hours mining ice and staying intact. Time is ISK mate ... Retrievers are ISK as well. A lot more ISK than............................................. kestrels
Velicitia Open Designs 193	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:26:00 - [229] - Quote Montevius Williams wrote: AkJon Ferguson wrote: Vernn wrote: This is a game, its supposed to be fun. On this point you're completely wrong (and you're the 2nd person I've had to correct on this point today.) EVE is not really a game, per se, it is a virtual world. It is not 'supposed' to be exciting or boring. It is not 'supposed' to be easy or hard. It is not 'supposed' to be fun or excruciating. Any more than life is. But the mechanics need to make sense and be 'fair' or else the integrity of the virtual world and the sense of immersion are compromised. Botting, exploits and flawed (unfair) game mechanics are poison to virtual worlds. CCP has a long track record of neglect in these areas and that is indeed the single biggest problem holding EVE back from its potential. Huh? EVE is a video game EVE is a Multiple Massively Online Roleplaying Game I bolded the important part. EVE is fun to me...if it wasnt fun, I wouldn't be playing. I think most people feel this way that play video games eve is a second job L2EVE noob (note the above is in jest)
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 2038	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:29:00 - [230] - Quote Vernn wrote: I certainly wouldn't call my views fabricated. What I've said is true [GÇª] kestrels You know, if you prove yourself wrong that quickly, people won't believe anything you've said. So whether or not you would call it fabricated isn't particularly relevant since your trustworthiness has taken a head-long dive off a cliff. What matters is that it's all nonsense (and easily disproven nonsense at that). Quote: it lacks any form of balance that would pertain to any idea of risk versus reward. Maybe. You just need to demonstrate how, and with your image as a pedlar of hallucinations, you'll have some problems doing that at this pointGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:30:00 - [231] - Quote Tippia wrote: Quote: So suicide ganking isn't griefing? Lets be honest, we are splitting hairs at this point. No, we're not splitting hairs. Suicide ganking is just standard non-consensual PvP where the attacker is willing to pay with his ship for a chance to kill the target. Griefing isn't allowed in EVE and will get you banned. Quote: Make things a bit more difficult for pirates? They don't seem to be having any difficulties. In fact it doesn't seem to have slowed them down at all. Make them legal targets to attack? Why would anyone attack them when they are flying around throw away ships? There is no motivation. Why attack them? Because that makes things more difficult for them and because, even in throw-away ships, you're taking things away from them (in particular, you're robbing them of the thing that really hurts: the kill). It's not the game's fault if you give them carte blanche to do what they want. Oh, and it does indeed slow them down, because the logistics of the whole thing becomes a bit more complicated and because they no longer have a free choice of ships to use. So you're saying I need to kill them so much that they run out of............................. kestrels An hour of ice mining would get them......................... 50 kestrels And you want me to stop them by blowing up all their kestrels?
Acute Delirium Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:31:00 - [232] - Quote covers his eyes and ears kestrel, kestrel, kestrel, you're all wrong, kestrel, kestrel, kestrel! Hmm, doesn't seem to be working. How do you do it, OP? Is there some secret technique I don't know of? I thought I was supposed to feel being logical and right. Don't bother answering, though, it's a rhetorical question. kestrel! Nah, still nothing.
Taiwanistan Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 35	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:33:00 - [233] - Quote ............................................ kestrels it is like if i went on second life and raged where's the spaceships
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 2038	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:34:00 - [234] - Quote Vernn wrote: So you're saying I need to kill them so much that they run out of kestrels No. Largely because they're not using Kestrels. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Zions Child Odyssey Inc SpaceMonkey's Alliance 233	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:35:00 - [235] - Quote Twelve pages? This is great! I'm running out of popcorn!
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:36:00 - [236] - Quote Acute Delirium wrote: covers his eyes and ears kestrel, kestrel, kestrel, you're all wrong, kestrel, kestrel, kestrel! Hmm, doesn't seem to be working. How do you do it, OP? Is there some secret technique I don't know of? I thought I was supposed to feel being logical and right. Don't bother answering, though, it's a rhetorical question. kestrel! Nah, still nothing. How about some risk vs. reward math...... 2 Ice Harvesters roughly 3 million 1 Retriever roughly 5 million Oh they pod you too so... 1 Clone roughly 3 million So about 11 million I'm risking, and they are risking a 200k kestrel with some missile launchers on it. Lets just go nuts and call it a million isk. 11 to 1 my risk verse theirs
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:37:00 - [237] - Quote Tippia wrote: Vernn wrote: So you're saying I need to kill them so much that they run out of kestrels No. Largely because they're not using Kestrels. Are you aware that you talk as if there is nothing you don't know?
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:38:00 - [238] - Quote Zions Child wrote: Twelve pages? This is great! I'm running out of popcorn! Thanks man, its getting rough holding off the clowns, but I think I got at least another 5 pages in me. The fight for great justice must continue!
Vernn The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:39:00 - [239] - Quote Acute Delirium wrote: covers his eyes and ears kestrel, kestrel, kestrel, you're all wrong, kestrel, kestrel, kestrel! Hmm, doesn't seem to be working. How do you do it, OP? Is there some secret technique I don't know of? I thought I was supposed to feel being logical and right. Don't bother answering, though, it's a rhetorical question. kestrel! Nah, still nothing. Ok from now on it will be.......................................... 200k ISK ship
Skunk Gracklaw GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 580	Posted - 2011.12.13 05:39:00 - [240] - Quote If I knew pubbies would get this mad about kestrels I would have started using them months ago. Who was the brave Goon hero who protected the blue ice with a kestrel?

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