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![Vernn Vernn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2016613372/portrait?size=64)
Vernn
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:21:00 -
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If I go into an ice belt in a barge to mine, I can get ganked repeatedly by someone with a -10 security status?
Someone who is supposed to be insta killed by concord can somehow warp to me and kill me over and over again in practically free ships?
I have no problem whatsoever with being ganked, so long as they take the security hit, and after several times concord instagibs them. Keeps the game fun having to pay attention for stuff like that.
However are you seriously telling me that this game has come to the point where I can lose multimillion isk ships in high sec to someone who has -10 sec rating over and over again?
Really?
*stunned* |
![Zions Child Zions Child](https://images.evetech.net/characters/924307343/portrait?size=64)
Zions Child
Odyssey Inc SpaceMonkey's Alliance
229
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:23:00 -
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I'm sorry, but as far as I can tell a huik is about 200 million isk, which is about half a PLEX, or about 8-9 dollars. Hardly multimillion, good sir. Unless, of course, you have been royally scammed. |
![Myxx Myxx](https://images.evetech.net/characters/731081081/portrait?size=64)
Myxx
Atropos Group Blood Right
164
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:24:00 -
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You learn something every day. Learn about aggro mechanics and how to tank a mining ship. |
![Tippia Tippia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1938874952/portrait?size=64)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2028
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:25:00 -
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Vernn wrote:If I go into an ice belt in a barge to mine, I can get ganked repeatedly by someone with a -10 security status?
Someone who is supposed to be insta killed by concord can somehow warp to me and kill me over and over again in practically free ships? No, they are not supposed to be insta-killed by CONCORD.
Partly because nothing is insta-killed by CONCORD, partly because CONCORD has nothing to do with being an outlaw.
Quote:However are you seriously telling me that this game has come to the point where I can lose multimillion dollar ships in high sec to someone who has -10 sec rating over and over again? Multi-million dollar ship? That's whatGǪ 20 trillion ISK? Anyway, yes, that can happen, but no it has not GÇ£come to this pointGÇ¥ GÇö it has never left that point, nor is there any reason why it should.
So to answer your question: no, you haven't understood it correctly. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
![Vernn Vernn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2016613372/portrait?size=64)
Vernn
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:27:00 -
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Such a wonderful community. So much heart. So much love and warmth.
Dollars edited to isk for the overly literal. lol
So in essence what you're saying is that in this game you are paying to get griefed anytime anywhere?
Well, my return to eve will be short then. |
![mkint mkint](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1092178423/portrait?size=64)
mkint
445
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:30:00 -
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People saw this coming when the Orca was first introduced. I'm kinda surprised it's taken this long to reach "crisis" levels. |
![Michael Turate Michael Turate](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1493849609/portrait?size=64)
Michael Turate
The Bembridge Mining Company
25
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:36:00 -
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You are bad - that's why you keep getting blowed up. Work on being less bad and you'll be OK. |
![MeestaPenni MeestaPenni](https://images.evetech.net/characters/172903092/portrait?size=64)
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
99
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:37:00 -
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Good job folks....jump all over the mistaken "dollars" for "isk".
Makes me proud to be a pod pilot. |
![Vernn Vernn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2016613372/portrait?size=64)
Vernn
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:37:00 -
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Just to be clear I'm not a baby about getting blown up. It keeps the game exciting.
If I get caught with my pants down and blown up then hey, more power to the guy, I hope he enjoys my stuff.
But this is just flat out griefing. This isn't piracy, or playing a bad guy.
Whats the purpose of a security rating then if stuff like this can go on? |
![Andski Andski](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1498850496/portrait?size=64)
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1304
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:38:00 -
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Solutions:
1) Don't mine in Gallente high-sec space you moron 2) Stop being complacent and playing under the assumption that CONCORD is there to protect you from the big mean gankers, they're not. 3) The guy locking you didn't miss the rock/ice/whatever, he's probably scanning you. That's the first sign of trouble.
By the way, -10 characters don't get popped by CONCORD until they get a GCC. The faction navies chase them around, and they're very different from CONCORD (you can tank/evade/pop them) |
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![Tippia Tippia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1938874952/portrait?size=64)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2028
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:40:00 -
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mkint wrote:People saw this coming when the Orca was first introduced. I'm kinda surprised it's taken this long to reach "crisis" levels. The effect of the Orca is psychological at best GÇö mechanics-wise it makes absolutely no difference. Any ship that can be stored in an Orca and be used for ganks can already trivially evade the faction police forces. At most, it keeps the pirates safe from players, but no-one seems to bother with attacking outlaw ships anyway, so again, the difference is negligible.
Vernn wrote:JBut this is just flat out griefing. This isn't piracy, or playing a bad guy.
Whats the purpose of a security rating then if stuff like this can go on? It's not griefing GÇö it's just standard suicide ganking. The purpose of a security rating is to make things a bit more difficult for the pirates, and make them legal targets for anyone to attack.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
![Vernn Vernn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2016613372/portrait?size=64)
Vernn
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:44:00 -
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Andski wrote:Solutions:
1) Don't mine in Gallente high-sec space you moron 2) Stop being complacent and playing under the assumption that CONCORD is there to protect you from the big mean gankers, they're not. 3) The guy locking you didn't miss the rock/ice/whatever, he's probably scanning you. That's the first sign of trouble.
By the way, -10 characters don't get popped by CONCORD until they get a GCC. The faction navies chase them around, and they're very different from CONCORD (you can tank/evade/pop them)
1) I have a degree in electrical engineering. I hardly feel that calling me a moron is justified. But if it makes you feel like a big person, then I don't mind.
2) Fair enough. I'll leave the game then for another with some semblance of fairness built into it.
3) There were only two other people in the system with me at any given time. Neither ever target locked me. The ganker warped directly on top of me each time and killed me. This is another aspect of the situation I don't understand. How could he warp in right on top of me?
4) Security rating is meaningless then and should just be removed from the game. Why have a security rating system when in essence it really doesn't affect anyone's "security" lol? |
![Vernn Vernn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2016613372/portrait?size=64)
Vernn
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote: It's not griefing GÇö it's just standard suicide ganking. The purpose of a security rating is to make things a bit more difficult for the pirates, and make them legal targets for anyone to attack.
So suicide ganking isn't griefing? Lets be honest, we are splitting hairs at this point.
Make things a bit more difficult for pirates? They don't seem to be having any difficulties. In fact it doesn't seem to have slowed them down at all.
Make them legal targets to attack? Why would anyone attack them when they are flying around throw away ships? There is no motivation. |
![Jaroslav Unwanted Jaroslav Unwanted](https://images.evetech.net/characters/557025705/portrait?size=64)
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:51:00 -
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griefing, ganking, gameplay, bad guys, care bears, pirates, null overlords who are bored to death
See that many times, nothing will change. You hold into your opinion and let others have their own. |
![Vernn Vernn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2016613372/portrait?size=64)
Vernn
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:51:00 -
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Vernn wrote:Tippia wrote: It's not griefing GÇö it's just standard suicide ganking. The purpose of a security rating is to make things a bit more difficult for the pirates, and make them legal targets for anyone to attack.
So repeated suicide ganking isn't griefing? Lets be honest, we are splitting hairs at this point. Make things a bit more difficult for pirates? They don't seem to be having any difficulties. In fact it doesn't seem to have slowed them down at all. Make them legal targets to attack? Why would anyone attack them when they are flying around throw away ships? There is no motivation.
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![Zions Child Zions Child](https://images.evetech.net/characters/924307343/portrait?size=64)
Zions Child
Odyssey Inc SpaceMonkey's Alliance
229
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:51:00 -
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Vernn wrote:Andski wrote:Solutions:
1) Don't mine in Gallente high-sec space you moron 2) Stop being complacent and playing under the assumption that CONCORD is there to protect you from the big mean gankers, they're not. 3) The guy locking you didn't miss the rock/ice/whatever, he's probably scanning you. That's the first sign of trouble.
By the way, -10 characters don't get popped by CONCORD until they get a GCC. The faction navies chase them around, and they're very different from CONCORD (you can tank/evade/pop them) 1) I have a degree in electrical engineering. I hardly feel that calling me a moron is justified. But if it makes you feel like a big person, then I don't mind.
Do they mass produce arrogant idiots who wave around degrees with no sort of verification on the internet in a vain attempt to appear intelligent and worthy of respect? Because seriously, you're the second one I've found today. You aren't the only person with a college degree, and a college degree hardly verifies your intellect or your common sense. To say the least of you making such a claim on the internets, which we all know are filled to bursting with truth. |
![Andski Andski](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1498850496/portrait?size=64)
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1304
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:55:00 -
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Vernn wrote:Andski wrote:Solutions:
1) Don't mine in Gallente high-sec space you moron 2) Stop being complacent and playing under the assumption that CONCORD is there to protect you from the big mean gankers, they're not. 3) The guy locking you didn't miss the rock/ice/whatever, he's probably scanning you. That's the first sign of trouble.
By the way, -10 characters don't get popped by CONCORD until they get a GCC. The faction navies chase them around, and they're very different from CONCORD (you can tank/evade/pop them) 1) I have a degree in electrical engineering. I hardly feel that calling me a moron is justified. But if it makes you feel like a big person, then I don't mind. 2) Fair enough. I'll leave the game then for another with some semblance of fairness built into it. 3) There were only two other people in the system with me at any given time. Neither ever target locked me. The ganker warped directly on top of me each time and killed me. This is another aspect of the situation I don't understand. How could he warp in right on top of me? 4) Security rating is meaningless then and should just removed from the game. Why have a security rating system when in essence it really doesn't affect anyone's "security" lol?
1) lol 2) There is nothing "unfair" about getting suicide ganked. If you expect to avoid all boat violence by residing in high-sec, it doesn't work that way. 3) He was either fleeted with an alt sitting close to you or he probed you down with an alt. 4) Security status isn't "meaningless." I'm -2.6 - I cannot enter systems with 0.9 security and above without getting chased around by faction navies. Suicide ganking with a bottomed out security status requires much more work than doing the same with positive/neutral sec. You can't really fly a ship around with impunity, and you usually need hardwirings and specialized fits if you're doing it in 0.7+ sec. |
![Pesky LaRue Pesky LaRue](https://images.evetech.net/characters/849951794/portrait?size=64)
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
138
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:55:00 -
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Vernn wrote: 2) Fair enough. I'll leave the game then for another with some semblance of fairness built into it.
Your preogative, but themepark, sandbox games don't do it for me anymore, hope they do for you.
Vernn wrote:4) Security rating is meaningless then and should just removed from the game. Why have a security rating system when in essence it really doesn't affect anyone's "security" lol? just because CONCORD didn't rescue you (as you had hoped) doen't mean the sec status has no meaning/point.
Now, to be honest, I kind of agree with a lot of what you're saying, but as much as this has pained you, this kind of behaviour is what makes EvE special in a sea of mediocre WoW-clones.
Good luck finding your new game, see you when you next decide to give EvE a try (because you know you will).
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![Tippia Tippia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1938874952/portrait?size=64)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2028
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:55:00 -
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Vernn wrote:I have a degree in electrical engineering. I hardly feel that calling me a moron is justified. Your education is hardly relevant, now is it? However, if you are mining ice in an area where there is an on-going and heavily publicised anti-mining campaign going on, you do indeed qualify for the label of moron.
Quote:I'll leave the game then for another with some semblance of fairness built into it. What's unfair about it?
Quote:There were only two other people in the system with me at any given time. Neither ever target locked me. The ganker warped directly on top of me each time and killed me. This is another aspect of the situation I don't understand. How could he warp in right on top of me? Because you were sitting in a bad spot? Because you used standardised bookmarks that someone else had figured out? Because some of the other ships were providing warp-ins?
Quote:Security rating is meaningless then and should just removed from the game. Why have a security rating system when in essence it really doesn't affect anyone's "security" lol? Because it affects people's security GÇö most notably the outlaw's.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
![Tippia Tippia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1938874952/portrait?size=64)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2028
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:55:00 -
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Quote:So suicide ganking isn't griefing? Lets be honest, we are splitting hairs at this point. No, we're not splitting hairs. Suicide ganking is just standard non-consensual PvP where the attacker is willing to pay with his ship for a chance to kill the target. Griefing isn't allowed in EVE and will get you banned.
Quote:Make things a bit more difficult for pirates? They don't seem to be having any difficulties. In fact it doesn't seem to have slowed them down at all.
Make them legal targets to attack? Why would anyone attack them when they are flying around throw away ships? There is no motivation. Why attack them? Because that makes things more difficult for them and because, even in throw-away ships, you're taking things away from them (in particular, you're robbing them of the thing that really hurts: the kill). It's not the game's fault if you give them carte blanche to do what they want.
Oh, and it does indeed slow them down, because the logistics of the whole thing becomes a bit more complicated and because they no longer have a free choice of ships to use. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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![Vernn Vernn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2016613372/portrait?size=64)
Vernn
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:57:00 -
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Zions Child wrote:Vernn wrote:Andski wrote:Solutions:
1) Don't mine in Gallente high-sec space you moron 2) Stop being complacent and playing under the assumption that CONCORD is there to protect you from the big mean gankers, they're not. 3) The guy locking you didn't miss the rock/ice/whatever, he's probably scanning you. That's the first sign of trouble.
By the way, -10 characters don't get popped by CONCORD until they get a GCC. The faction navies chase them around, and they're very different from CONCORD (you can tank/evade/pop them) 1) I have a degree in electrical engineering. I hardly feel that calling me a moron is justified. But if it makes you feel like a big person, then I don't mind. Do they mass produce arrogant idiots who wave around degrees with no sort of verification on the internet in a vain attempt to appear intelligent and worthy of respect? Because seriously, you're the second one I've found today. You aren't the only person with a college degree, and a college degree hardly verifies your intellect or your common sense. To say the least of you making such a claim on the internets, which we all know are filled to bursting with truth.
Well, if they mass produce arrogant idiots like me, then they also must mass produce people like you who who feel powerful from belittling others. Very very sad. But you have a nice day anyway. :) |
![Jaroslav Unwanted Jaroslav Unwanted](https://images.evetech.net/characters/557025705/portrait?size=64)
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:58:00 -
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Both Tipia and Andski...
You failed at following.
It is un-fair. But life is not fair nor the EVE is. Thats how it is. You gonna get screwed and asking for fairness never worked in this game or in life.
You wont get what you deserve. Thats how it is.
Things going on, time passing by, in the end we all die. |
![First Lieutenant Dan First Lieutenant Dan](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91427034/portrait?size=64)
First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:59:00 -
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I won the thread |
![Vernn Vernn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2016613372/portrait?size=64)
Vernn
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 02:59:00 -
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TippiaWhy wrote:Because that makes things more difficult for them and because, even in throw-away ships, you're taking things away from them (in particular, you're robbing them of the thing that really hurts: the kill). It's not the game's fault if you give them carte blanche to do what they want.
Oh, and it does indeed slow them down, because the logistics of the whole thing becomes a bit more complicated and because they no longer have a free choice of ships to use.
Are -10 not allowed to trade in stations? Because if they can then your argument is weak. Any alt could bring them any ship they wanted in as great a supply as they wanted. |
![Andski Andski](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1498850496/portrait?size=64)
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1304
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Posted - 2011.12.13 03:00:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Both Tipia and Andski...
You failed at following.
It is un-fair. But life is not fair nor the EVE is. Thats how it is. You gonna get screwed and asking for fairness never worked in this game or in life.
I guess I worded it wrong, but yeah, crying about unfairness in EVE Online, a game centered in a hyper-capitalistic dog-eat-dog universe, is silly. |
![Tippia Tippia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1938874952/portrait?size=64)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2028
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Posted - 2011.12.13 03:02:00 -
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Vernn wrote:Are -10 not allowed to trade in stations? Because if they can then your argument is weak. Any alt could bring them any ship they wanted in as great a supply as they wanted. GǪwhich makes the logistics a bit more complicated and limits their choice in ships. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
![Vernn Vernn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2016613372/portrait?size=64)
Vernn
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 03:06:00 -
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Andski wrote:I guess I worded it wrong, but yeah, crying about unfairness in EVE Online, a game centered in a hyper-capitalistic dog-eat-dog universe, is silly.
No, i'm not crying about general unfairness in all of eve. I am commenting on a very specific situation that defies logic.
Follow me here.
I get the fact that eve is not a carebear game. I do. I am not crying about being blown up. It happens. I am not complaining about the fact that people can suicide gank. If someone wrongs you bad enough you should be able to suicide gank, with a real consequence.
My argument simply is that someone with a -10 rating should not be allowed to kill the same person over and over again in the same spot in high sec.
Yes, I get it. The very nature of eve dictates that you're never truly safe anywhere, and I appreciate the heart pounding moments that can bring to the game. I am not against suicide ganking.
I am against a player with a -10 security rating killing the same people in the same spot over and over again in high sec without any penalty other than losing a ship with almost no value.
I think its a pretty narrow and reasonable complaint. |
![Zions Child Zions Child](https://images.evetech.net/characters/924307343/portrait?size=64)
Zions Child
Odyssey Inc SpaceMonkey's Alliance
230
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Posted - 2011.12.13 03:07:00 -
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Vernn wrote:Zions Child wrote:Vernn wrote:Andski wrote:Solutions:
1) Don't mine in Gallente high-sec space you moron 2) Stop being complacent and playing under the assumption that CONCORD is there to protect you from the big mean gankers, they're not. 3) The guy locking you didn't miss the rock/ice/whatever, he's probably scanning you. That's the first sign of trouble.
By the way, -10 characters don't get popped by CONCORD until they get a GCC. The faction navies chase them around, and they're very different from CONCORD (you can tank/evade/pop them) 1) I have a degree in electrical engineering. I hardly feel that calling me a moron is justified. But if it makes you feel like a big person, then I don't mind. Do they mass produce arrogant idiots who wave around degrees with no sort of verification on the internet in a vain attempt to appear intelligent and worthy of respect? Because seriously, you're the second one I've found today. You aren't the only person with a college degree, and a college degree hardly verifies your intellect or your common sense. To say the least of you making such a claim on the internets, which we all know are filled to bursting with truth. Well, if they mass produce arrogant idiots like me, then they also must mass produce people like you who who feel powerful from belittling others. Very very sad. But you have a nice day anyway. :)
Nope, I get my kicks from good old fashioned playing video games. Informing people that they're idiots on the internet is merely a secondary occupation.
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![Vernn Vernn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2016613372/portrait?size=64)
Vernn
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 03:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vernn wrote:Are -10 not allowed to trade in stations? Because if they can then your argument is weak. Any alt could bring them any ship they wanted in as great a supply as they wanted. GǪwhich makes the logistics a bit more complicated and limits their choice in ships.
Well I would agree with the "a bit" part. :)
Thats one small bit however. |
![Tippia Tippia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1938874952/portrait?size=64)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2028
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Posted - 2011.12.13 03:09:00 -
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Vernn wrote:My argument simply is that someone with a -10 rating should not be allowed to kill the same person over and over again in the same spot in high sec. Why not?
If the person is stupid enough to sit in the same spot over and over again, making him the easiest target ever, why shouldn't someone be able to keep killing him there?
Quote:I am against a player with a -10 security rating killing the same people in the same spot over and over again in high sec without any penalty other than losing a ship with almost no value. So enforce the other penalties that this act generates GÇö they're yours to enforce for a reasonGǪ The reason he gets away with it is because you let him. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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