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Dr Karsun Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor 35	Posted - 2011.12.13 16:57:00 - [361] - Quote Move to 0.0, mine ice there... No suicide gankers, once in a few hours you got to take a 15 minute break because some random gang of losers is looking for a fat kid who can't run to beat up. Preferably join one of the big powerblocks, who will worship you for wanting to mine ice for them at all. Not only they'll pay you a good price, they'll also thank you and kiss your hand for delivering it the 2-3j because for most alliances it's too hard to move a freighter that far in 0.0, in fear of fleets of enemies. Your best bet to mine in peace is prolly the shadow of death - join one of those corps. Ther's so much space and so little population that running into an enemy is less likely than in a WH. "Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976
Sakurako Kimino Volatile Nature 7	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:04:00 - [362] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Vernn wrote: Velicitia wrote: funny, my retriever survived the mock encounter with a Kestrel... Ok go mine some blue ice and report back. I should report you for encouraging people to do something illegal. i love how gsf has truned more into bob over the years it's great. they are now will to go so much past bob that they demaned that you only play by their rules. to the op sorry your getting ganked but it is part of eve eve is about sin
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 117	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:04:00 - [363] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: It's pretty trivial to get a 35k+ tank on a hulk if you're willing to use T1 strip miners. Again.. any chance you can post a fit :) [Hulk] Damage Control II Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Heat Dissipation Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II 42k ehp vs EMP ...Its doable.. altho if you fit it like this expect to be droped by 8 tornadoes just the same. actually four are sufficient enough.. note require PG8 and all V
Tenris Anis Schattenengel Clan 3	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:05:00 - [364] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: It's pretty trivial to get a 35k+ tank on a hulk if you're willing to use T1 strip miners. Pants down, post fitting. t1 strips use whooping 6 pg less than t2. Anyway I raise to 38k alpha with 3 tornadoes if you raise to 35k+ tank on your hulk.
Prince Kobol 87	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:05:00 - [365] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: It's pretty trivial to get a 35k+ tank on a hulk if you're willing to use T1 strip miners. Again.. any chance you can post a fit :) [Hulk] Damage Control II Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Heat Dissipation Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II 42k ehp vs EMP ...Its doable.. altho if you fit it like this expect to be droped by 8 tornadoes just the same. note require PG8 and all V Cool.. a hulk with no strip miners lol
Myrdraeus Keaunt Physical Chaos 18	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:06:00 - [366] - Quote Vernn wrote: So in essence what you're saying is that in this game you are paying to get griefed anytime anywhere? Hey! You're catching on! Good for you!
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 117	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:08:00 - [367] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: It's pretty trivial to get a 35k+ tank on a hulk if you're willing to use T1 strip miners. Again.. any chance you can post a fit :) [Hulk] Damage Control II Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Heat Dissipation Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II 42k ehp vs EMP ...Its doable.. altho if you fit it like this expect to be droped by 8 tornadoes just the same. note require PG8 and all V Cool.. a hulk with no strip miners lol hey i am trying 49,5/50,07 .. there is no room for strip miners if you want tank it, and still its futile since you gonna get one shoted by 4 ships anyway
Myrdraeus Keaunt Physical Chaos 18	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:13:00 - [368] - Quote Tenris Anis wrote: Because you pay me. Pay me and I will babysit your mining operation. I will bring even logistic support if you pay enough, no big deal. Anything with a negative security standing will be attack preemptive, just to keep your under-tanked miner safe. My main has a +2 sec status right now. He ganks just to try and counter the status he gets from killing 0.0 rats and being able to hunt at leisure with no consequences. It's actually difficult to keep a low if you're not regularly running afoul of stupid laws and ****. Had it down to .03 but then he did some anomalies. Every time he goes to HS he tries to gank at least one miner. Guess he'd have no problem with your blockade.
Tenris Anis Schattenengel Clan 3	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:18:00 - [369] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: It's pretty trivial to get a 35k+ tank on a hulk if you're willing to use T1 strip miners. Again.. any chance you can post a fit :) [Hulk] Damage Control II Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Heat Dissipation Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II 42k ehp vs EMP ...Its doable.. altho if you fit it like this expect to be droped by 8 tornadoes just the same. actually four are sufficient enough.. note require PG8 and all V I raise in this case to shiny imps as well, and add a single faction gyro per ship. 42k+ alpha with still just 3 tornados and t2 fitting. Worth the risk against this hulk for sure.
Prince Kobol 88	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:20:00 - [370] - Quote Whilst I have no issue in general with ganking I do wish people would stop saying things like you can tank you hulk at 30k EHP + Realistically without gimping your mining ability your probably talking a tank of approx 25k EHP. The way I approach it is that people who are ganking miners in general will either go for the easy targets.. i.e people who fit their hulks with cargo expanded + cargo rigs + 2 mining upgrades or who faction fit their hulks. I also use shield repping drones and whilst that might count for very little the hope I have it will encourage the single gankers to go after the guy next to me as he will offer the best chance of success. As for the gank squads.. if you are chosen then there is nothing you can do about it expect suck it up and move on.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 117	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:23:00 - [371] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Whilst I have no issue in general with ganking I do wish people would stop saying things like you can tank you hulk at 30k EHP + Realistically without gimping your mining ability your probably talking a tank of approx 25k EHP. The way I approach it is that people who are ganking miners in general will either go for the easy targets.. i.e people who fit their hulks with cargo expanded + cargo rigs + 2 mining upgrades or who faction fit their hulks. I also use shield repping drones and whilst that might count for very little the hope I have it will encourage the single gankers to go after the guy next to me as he will offer the best chance of success. As for the gank squads.. if you are chosen then there is nothing you can do about it expect suck it up and move on. Indeed. Thats how it is, was and will be. Simple mechanics seems to work. Alas obligatory dont fly what you cant afford to lose. Chose your values carefully as you gonna get dissapointed if you chose wrong.
Tenris Anis Schattenengel Clan 3	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:27:00 - [372] - Quote Myrdraeus Keaunt wrote: [quote=Tenris Anis] Guess he'd have no problem with your blockade. Yes, you would, because the op did mention that he got constantly attacked, not just once. Your sec status goes down real fast this way. The normal out of the blue suicide was not the issue. At least at the beginning of this topic. ;-) And once you got protection for your mining ops the next question would anyway why mine in high sec.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 163	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:32:00 - [373] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: It's pretty trivial to get a 35k+ tank on a hulk if you're willing to use T1 strip miners. Again.. any chance you can post a fit :) It's pretty easy, you just fit a MAPC and a caldari navy invuln. People will pop you for the invuln but the chances of anyone scanning you before trying to pop you with a single BC are minimal. Or if people are really so concerned with not being blown up they really should just fly Rokh.
Prince Kobol 88	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:34:00 - [374] - Quote Tenris Anis wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: I also use shield repping drones and whilst that might count for very little the hope I have it will encourage the single gankers to go after the guy next to me as he will offer the best chance of success. Shield logistic drones? You mean on your orca? I am sure you are aware that you can not target yourself. Sorry.. what I mean is that I have light shield drones (as well as light combat drones) on my hulk so when I mining with alts / corp mates we shield rep each other. Like I said, it counts for very little but if its enough to make the ganker go after the other guy then they have done there job
Cipher Jones 148	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:36:00 - [375] - Quote People in this thread literally amaze me. Look, we joke around and make trolling jokes, rate threads with a troll rating etc etc... But I don't think for a minute that anybody actually thinks that killing an exhumer repeatedly is not "grief play". It is clearly defined by CCP, clearly a ban-able offense, and clearly unenforced. Seriously, you are intellectually 12 if you think anything but "Its against the rules, but CCP does not enforce that rule". See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 117	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:37:00 - [376] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: It's pretty trivial to get a 35k+ tank on a hulk if you're willing to use T1 strip miners. Again.. any chance you can post a fit :) It's pretty easy, you just fit a MAPC and a caldari navy invuln. People will pop you for the invuln but the chances of anyone scanning you before trying to pop you with a single BC are minimal. Or if people are really so concerned with not being blown up they really should just fly Rokh. how can you fit ice harvesters on rokh ? And mining in Rokh = click fest = doable, but you need non-stop indie or you just lose everything you mine. but yes in high sec 173k ehp / 818 yield looks solid. 625 m3 cargo ..
Tenris Anis Schattenengel Clan 3	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:48:00 - [377] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: It's pretty trivial to get a 35k+ tank on a hulk if you're willing to use T1 strip miners. Again.. any chance you can post a fit :) It's pretty easy, you just fit a MAPC and a caldari navy invuln. People will pop you for the invuln but the chances of anyone scanning you before trying to pop you with a single BC are minimal. Or if people are really so concerned with not being blown up they really should just fly Rokh. This works once, but after that you are for sure on watch list, and chances for a ship scanner on a suicide ship should be not so dim as you think.
Prince Kobol 88	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:53:00 - [378] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: People in this thread literally amaze me. Look, we joke around and make trolling jokes, rate threads with a troll rating etc etc... But I don't think for a minute that anybody actually thinks that killing an exhumer repeatedly is not "grief play". It is clearly defined by CCP, clearly a ban-able offense, and clearly unenforced. Seriously, you are intellectually 12 if you think anything but "Its against the rules, but CCP does not enforce that rule". Yes and no Forgetting the OP for a moment, If you are ganked once and then return to the same spot minutes later and then ganked a 2nd time and then go back to same spot again you are asking for trouble. If you are ganked.. go back out to a different spot then ganked again, go back out to a different system and then ganked again each time by the same person then yes, you might and I emphasis might have a case. Problem is since ganking is a approved game mechanic and is perfectly legal how can it be considered griefing? Say you want to force somebody out of your system for what ever reason, they could be supplying your quite little system with goods and the competition is hurting your profits. This person is in a NPC corp.. your only method of hurting this person is to gank him. So if you target this person and repeatedly gank him.. is this grief play? What happens if 2 people take a dislike to each other in low sec and one person makes it his mission to follow and to destroy the other person as many times as possible and this results in say 5 kills in a few hours, all in low sec, is this grief play? The person is quite clearly is going out of there way to kill the other person but because its in low sec is it considered ok? Grief play is very difficult, almost impossible to police when all people are doing is using a approved in game mechanics.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 117	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:56:00 - [379] - Quote Its an mind set. Someone who says that he/she wants to move player X out of EVE .. should be banned permanently with all his/her accounts.
sudo rm Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.12.13 18:10:00 - [380] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Its an mind set. Someone who says that he/she wants to move player X out of EVE .. should be banned permanently with all his/her accounts. This thread is now about thought policing.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 117	Posted - 2011.12.13 18:11:00 - [381] - Quote sudo rm wrote: Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Its an mind set. Someone who says that he/she wants to move player X out of EVE .. should be banned permanently with all his/her accounts. This thread is now about thought policing. Indeed.
sudo rm Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.12.13 18:44:00 - [382] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: sudo rm wrote: Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Its an mind set. Someone who says that he/she wants to move player X out of EVE .. should be banned permanently with all his/her accounts. This thread is now about thought policing. Indeed. Do you believe there's a case of that in the case of the OP? Do you think the gankers want to make the OP leave the game?
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 520	Posted - 2011.12.13 18:44:00 - [383] - Quote Actually, very early on this thread became all about Tippia's favorite game, namely "Reduce the Troll to mouthing one line Meme's" as quickly as possible. As usual, Tippia wins... Troll loses. However, we now have a great new meme for the EVE challenged. "BECAUSE OF KESTREL" Revenge should not stop at the ship! It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 117	Posted - 2011.12.13 18:46:00 - [384] - Quote sudo rm wrote: Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: sudo rm wrote: Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Its an mind set. Someone who says that he/she wants to move player X out of EVE .. should be banned permanently with all his/her accounts. This thread is now about thought policing. Indeed. Do you believe there's a case of that in the case of the OP? Do you think the gankers want to make the OP leave the game? I do believe that this was not the case. And with some of the OP responses : I dont want to tank my ships or move elsewhere or do something else i want fly this ship and be in this system mining ice at this spot. Sound unhealthy.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 117	Posted - 2011.12.13 18:48:00 - [385] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Actually, very early on this thread became all about Tippia's favorite game, namely "Reduce the Troll to mouthing one line Meme's" as quickly as possible. As usual, Tippia wins... Troll loses. However, we now have a great new meme for the EVE challenged. "BECAUSE OF KESTREL" Did Tippia got some price ? If not. What Tippia won ? "Because of falcon" is better.
Shalia Ripper The Elevens 24	Posted - 2011.12.13 18:53:00 - [386] - Quote AND THEN KESTRELS is better.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 520	Posted - 2011.12.13 18:55:00 - [387] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Actually, very early on this thread became all about Tippia's favorite game, namely "Reduce the Troll to mouthing one line Meme's" as quickly as possible. As usual, Tippia wins... Troll loses. However, we now have a great new meme for the EVE challenged. "BECAUSE OF KESTREL" Did Tippia got some price ? If not. What Tippia won ? "Because of falcon" is better. Justice is Tippia's only reward. "Because of Falcon" may be better, but "Because of Kestrel' is even more pathetic, and therefore more hilarious. Revenge should not stop at the ship! It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 520	Posted - 2011.12.13 18:56:00 - [388] - Quote Shalia Ripper wrote: AND THEN KESTRELS is better. Excellent point!!! Seconded. Revenge should not stop at the ship! It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto.
Barakkus 1186	Posted - 2011.12.13 18:57:00 - [389] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: [Hulk] Damage Control II Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Heat Dissipation Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II I can help you test this tank. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 117	Posted - 2011.12.13 18:58:00 - [390] - Quote Barakkus wrote: Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: [Hulk] Damage Control II Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Heat Dissipation Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II I can help you test this tank. you wish. I cant fly exhumers nor mining barges so. You are out of luck.

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