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Sethjuz
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:05:00 -
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P sure he was talking about Trinkets there. |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
321
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:51:00 -
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im just curious why people keep comparing the Deimos to the Vagabond. the Vaga is not used any longer, and has been fully replaced by the Cynabal. this OP beast can go 3.5km/s with heat, spraying everything with ~650 DPS while having ~45k EHP. you have to be at least a bit of a douchebag to fly one of these. as to why CCP tards have been allowing this for months is beyond me.
the shield Deimos explodes when anything looks at it funny. even with the null changes, you have half of the Cynabal's EHP, and do 100 less DPS.
the AHAC Deimos is TOO SLOW (dual prop or not). even with the null buff, you'll be doing next to no DPS past 20km. AHAC Deimos will never roll with the Zealots, which can project EM/Therm damage out to 40km+
confirming that AC's are STILL best for my Myrm. goddamn it CCP, just fix rails. |

Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
189
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Posted - 2012.01.07 20:45:00 -
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:) when imba angel ships gets nerfed then these matar noobs will whine the loudest I hope we can hear that this year
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Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
251
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Posted - 2012.01.07 21:06:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:im just curious why people keep comparing the Deimos to the Vagabond. the Vaga is not used any longer, and has been fully replaced by the Cynabal. this OP beast can go 3.5km/s with heat, spraying everything with ~650 DPS while having ~45k EHP. you have to be at least a bit of a douchebag to fly one of these. as to why CCP tards have been allowing this for months is beyond me.
Their stated intent was to make pirate faction better than T2 to encourage nullsec mission running. |

Sethjuz
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.07 21:08:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Hungry Eyes wrote:im just curious why people keep comparing the Deimos to the Vagabond. the Vaga is not used any longer, and has been fully replaced by the Cynabal. this OP beast can go 3.5km/s with heat, spraying everything with ~650 DPS while having ~45k EHP. you have to be at least a bit of a douchebag to fly one of these. as to why CCP tards have been allowing this for months is beyond me. Their stated intent was to make pirate faction better than T2 to encourage nullsec mission running.
The succubus would like a word with you. |

Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
251
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Posted - 2012.01.08 08:14:00 -
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Sethjuz wrote:The succubus would like a word with you.
Yeah they ****** up on some of them, especially frigs. Among the cruisers the Vigilant and Gila are fine though. |

Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.01.08 09:22:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Hungry Eyes wrote:im just curious why people keep comparing the Deimos to the Vagabond. the Vaga is not used any longer, and has been fully replaced by the Cynabal. this OP beast can go 3.5km/s with heat, spraying everything with ~650 DPS while having ~45k EHP. you have to be at least a bit of a douchebag to fly one of these. as to why CCP tards have been allowing this for months is beyond me. Their stated intent was to make pirate faction better than T2 to encourage nullsec mission running.
Did they really say that? That explains a lot, actually.
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
189
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Posted - 2012.01.08 10:30:00 -
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Hrett wrote:Mfume Apocal wrote:Hungry Eyes wrote:im just curious why people keep comparing the Deimos to the Vagabond. the Vaga is not used any longer, and has been fully replaced by the Cynabal. this OP beast can go 3.5km/s with heat, spraying everything with ~650 DPS while having ~45k EHP. you have to be at least a bit of a douchebag to fly one of these. as to why CCP tards have been allowing this for months is beyond me. Their stated intent was to make pirate faction better than T2 to encourage nullsec mission running. Did they really say that? That explains a lot, actually. They also said ,they want winmatar for easy pvp for the noobs , that explains even more. |

Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
252
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Posted - 2012.01.08 10:55:00 -
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Hrett wrote:Did they really say that? That explains a lot, actually.
I can't find quotes anymore (searching the old forums is :effort:) but their hierarchy was something like T1 > Navy > T2 > Pirate. Obviously it's not perfect, with Slicers being able to slice up most T2 and pirate faction frigs because lol optimal bonus + Scorch and Hookbills 0wning pretty goddamned hard as well, but for the most part it follows that trend. |

Biced
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.08 10:58:00 -
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90% of the gallente pilots are cry babies 
the other 10% are in the top 5k on bc.
ltp!
you cant have top dps platforms in game and be able to chase down your targets at the same time! oh wait... you also want good range and selective damage type 
i think the real tears are coming from bc class hulls. which are pretty much used most in gangs and solo cause they are cheap and easy to skill for. there is no tier2 blaster platform which makes the cane king of the hill and everyone wants to fly minmatar....
imo there are only 2 perfect platforms in the game the cane and the phoon. not saying that they are the best ships in game in every given situation but if you are looking for a swiss army knife ship, which most people do that is pretty much as close as it gets.
blasters are perfectly fine. as some people already said what messed blasters up were indirect speed and web nerfs and scram.
DEIMOS (spell it right ffs) vs vaga argument is very stupid and should not be here. any nano ship should be able to kite a deimos. a shield rupture will do it easy. |
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Uppsy Daisy
Perkone Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2012.01.08 11:12:00 -
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Biced wrote:DEIMOS (spell it right ffs).
Methinks someone has missed the joke....
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Biced
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.08 11:30:00 -
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Uppsy Daisy wrote:Biced wrote:DEIMOS (spell it right ffs). Methinks someone has missed the joke....
/me wants the joke explained please. I hear people on comms say it wrong all the time as well...
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Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
252
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Posted - 2012.01.08 12:30:00 -
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Biced wrote:/me wants the joke explained please. I hear people on comms say it wrong all the time as well...
DIE MOST
Mostly dies. Dies mostly. Etc. |

Biced
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.08 13:01:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Biced wrote:/me wants the joke explained please. I hear people on comms say it wrong all the time as well...
DIE MOST Mostly dies. Dies mostly. Etc.
I see what you did there. (learn something new everyday)
its a browler that does close to 1k dps.  when it gets you at point blank he is the on laughing. though its no my play style and i dont like the ship at all.
tbh like the rest of the eve players i think that tier2 bc out class hacs in MOST cases |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
322
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Posted - 2012.01.08 20:04:00 -
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the remnants of HAC role (sniping) has been stolen by tier 3 bc's.tier 2 BC's nullified close to medium range HAC setups years ago. all that is left for HAC's now is ARMOUR HACS!!!! with logi support, which is basically just the Zealot and the gimped Deimos. |

Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
253
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:39:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:the remnants of HAC role (sniping) has been stolen by tier 3 bc's.tier 2 BC's nullified close to medium range HAC setups years ago. all that is left for HAC's now is ARMOUR HACS!!!! with logi support, which is basically just the Zealot and the gimped Deimos. this is yet another example of how CCP doesnt think.
AHACs are pretty bad nowadays, everyone brings webs.
Quote:in fact, it is easily argued that Minmatar are still the best brawlers. Hurricanes, Cynabals, Machariels, Maels, nano Pests. the best ships in the game for most situations in the game. need i say more? nope, argument is done. i still fit AC's on my Myrm and will continue to do so until rails or null are buffed. ok so Gallente are still the second best brawlers, and what else? nothing.
When you say "brawl" in this context, do you mean "fighting within scram/web/neut range"? Because that's what comes to my mind and almost all the Minmatar ships in that list are worse than their Gallente counterpart in that situation. Cane is debatable, Cyna is worse than a Vigilant hullbump range, Mach worse than Vindi, nano-Pest especially bad at 0 compared to... literally any armor tanked BS.
Also: how are you going to fit rails on your Myrm? |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
322
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Posted - 2012.01.09 00:05:00 -
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i guess i meant anywhere between close to medium range. Machs, Cynabals, nano Pests, Canes can all dictate ranges on their counterparts. medium range is where it's at (20-50km). point blank engagements rarely occur. maybe once in a blue moon, then Liang writes blogs about it within scram range, Gallente rule, I'll give you that.
the problem is, AC's get the best of both worlds. you can brawl ok, and do fantastically at medium range. all this with one turret type. how does this make sense? the only thing required to make this game decent once again is to simply nerf something relating to AC's. falloff, TE's, ship bonuses, whatever. AC's are the faceroll of EVE.
unfortunately, i wont be fitting rails on my Myrm until theyre buffed. you can fit 200's on a shield Myrm, but theyre outperformed by 425 AC's even with the null buff, 425's >>>> Neutrons (unless at point blank).
TLDR: AC's OP, fly Matar to win, flying point blank range ships is a huge gamble and only fail fleets fail against these boats. |

Cyzlaki
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:24:00 -
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med and large hybrids actually track things inside optimal now. |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
778
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:13:00 -
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Cyzlaki wrote:med and large hybrids actually track things inside optimal now.
Still have far too high fitting requirements and atm while waiting for ship individual tweaks rails setups are fake and still the choice i'll never make over even meta 3 Arty (I can use T2's OC).
Someone posted the interest about using alpha over rof, you guys should take a close look at to understand why it's completely impossible as it stands to make rails good for something else than pew mission rats.
They're in need of long range ammo with lot more dps or gun it self dmg modifier to get some interesting alpha, thing is that for rails to become interesting they are in need of something they will never get, even lasers that have the second best alpha in game became almost unused, there's a reason for that and that's not only the hull/guns price. |

Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
567
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:03:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:point blank engagements rarely occur. maybe once in a blue moon, then Liang writes blogs about it  within scram range, Gallente rule, I'll give you that.
You know why you think that close range engagements never happen? Its because you never pursue them. I do, and for me its just about every fight.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Jill Thiesant
Ordo Mercuia
5
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:31:00 -
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Rails: Optimal DPS* Barely noticable tracking
Artillery: Falloff Interchangable damage types No cap A **** ton more alpha
*The DPS increase is so small the interchangable damage type probably makes artillery better DPS as well or at least about equal.
Are gallente ships so incredibly good their weapons has to be worse? Maybe their bonus structure would just be overpowering if paired with a strong weapon system. It feels like I'm forgetting something that's good about rails though because surely it cannot be this blatantly broken? |

Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
568
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:51:00 -
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A few comments: - High optimal vs High falloff is heavily weighted in favor of the high optimal ship. Falloff equates to not only a second chance to miss but also a lower overall hit quality. In theory both of these are accounted for in damage charts so you shouldn't be walking into this totally blind. - I think you're underestimating how debilitating ****** tracking can be. And artillery already had the worst tracking even before rails got buffed. - Its unfair to attribute selectable damage types to artillery unless you're talking about quite short ranges. Furthermore, its dramatically incorrect to say that you can always use the appropriate ammo with artillery - oftentimes you're stuck with what you have loaded. - Rails are made for a style of combat that simply doesn't exist anymore, primarily because of the simplicity of on-grid probing.
Basically: rails should have better DPS and be able to apply that DPS better than artillery. Artillery should have higher alpha and semi-selectable damage types (depending on range). Not saying that rails don't need another nudge (because I just don't know), but I am saying your analysis could use some help. :)
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
144
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Posted - 2012.01.10 00:12:00 -
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Confirming I am a carebear and wish for my blasters to do more damage. |

eveess
Chemikals Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2012.01.30 11:02:00 -
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Fade Azura wrote:kingwood stfu your killboard is complete crap ... mine is way better ,,, you lost 50 ships in like 2-3 months bro ... just because i dont play eve everyday and have a real life instead of being a tool like you who get their ass kicked daily in low sec. ... gtfo noob .... come and challenge me anyday an ill put my boot in your ass
i would like to step up here as his ceo and and sorry for any offence he may have caused this is not the way my corp however fade your are required to attend this fight since you asked for this. any further questions please do contact me in game |

Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
716
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Posted - 2012.01.30 11:23:00 -
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Oh. ****.
/respect
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
91
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Posted - 2012.01.30 14:24:00 -
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eveess wrote:Fade Azura wrote:kingwood stfu your killboard is complete crap ... mine is way better ,,, you lost 50 ships in like 2-3 months bro ... just because i dont play eve everyday and have a real life instead of being a tool like you who get their ass kicked daily in low sec. ... gtfo noob .... come and challenge me anyday an ill put my boot in your ass i would like to step up here as his ceo and say sorry for any offence he may have caused this is not the way my corp is run however fade your are required to attend this fight since you asked for this. any further questions please do contact me in game god FML i cant spell today
I wanna watch lol.
Kings has something or a reputation for some reason. |

eveess
Chemikals Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
2
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Posted - 2012.01.30 14:31:00 -
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Onictus wrote:eveess wrote:Fade Azura wrote:kingwood stfu your killboard is complete crap ... mine is way better ,,, you lost 50 ships in like 2-3 months bro ... just because i dont play eve everyday and have a real life instead of being a tool like you who get their ass kicked daily in low sec. ... gtfo noob .... come and challenge me anyday an ill put my boot in your ass i would like to step up here as his ceo and say sorry for any offence he may have caused this is not the way my corp is run however fade your are required to attend this fight since you asked for this. any further questions please do contact me in game god FML i cant spell today I wanna watch lol. Kings has something or a reputation for some reason.
5m isk a ticket :D |

mecubed
Amarrian Retribution
5
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:48:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Sebastian N Cain wrote:kyrv wrote:Funny Thing is Gallente were FOTM years back but now everyone's got Gallente they will never be AS FOTM and you know thats the only thing the experienced players are pineing for.
Muhahahaahaha. No, the problem is that something like FOTM does actually exist. I sometimes wonder about how it-¦s possible to screw balancing up this badly. It-¦s like they have no concept of the whole thing, what they are doing about it and what results they want to achieve. I could do it better without putting in too much effort. Winmatar Wins! 
Yes we know Minmatar pretty much has overwhelming superiority in almost every ship class.. Yes we know CCP gave them an Eve version of Afirmative Action. |

mecubed
Amarrian Retribution
5
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:53:00 -
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ElCholo wrote:Smabs wrote:Gallente ships are already the second fastest in the game and are so close to agility compared to minmatar that it's barely noticeable. How much faster do they need to be? They won't be happy till they have the speed of Minmatar, the range of Caldari, and the DPS of... what they have already.
Gallente pilots dont want the range of caldari. We just want the faster speed, since our guns require close range..
We know Minmatar pilots such as yourself would hate to have ships that can actually compare to yours.
If caldari range was such a game changer, why is it that you only see 1 caldari ship on fleet in mass and the rest are refusefd by people to be used in pvp...
Yet Minmatar ships are every where you look...Hmm ever stop to think everyone wants you all nerfed because CCP went way overboard on the buffs?
Dont tell me, its racist to be equal, right?
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
718
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Posted - 2012.01.30 18:58:00 -
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mecubed wrote:ElCholo wrote:Smabs wrote:Gallente ships are already the second fastest in the game and are so close to agility compared to minmatar that it's barely noticeable. How much faster do they need to be? They won't be happy till they have the speed of Minmatar, the range of Caldari, and the DPS of... what they have already. Gallente pilots dont want the range of caldari. We just want the faster speed, since our guns require close range.. We know Minmatar pilots such as yourself would hate to have ships that can actually compare to yours. If caldari range was such a game changer, why is it that you only see 1 caldari ship on fleet in mass and the rest are refusefd by people to be used in pvp... Yet Minmatar ships are every where you look...Hmm ever stop to think everyone wants you all nerfed because CCP went way overboard on the buffs? Dont tell me, its racist to be equal, right?
LOL, I wouldn't call Gallente particularly gimped against Minmatar these days. Try getting out of your Tempest more often (or out more often at all) and you'll see what I mean :)
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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