Large Collidable Object whines that the Gallente prop mod gets turned off outside blasters optimal range...which is true but ignores the fact you still coast into range and webs actually outrange scrams, so by the time your MWD is off you should have a big enough head of steam to get into range and stay there.

Well - Gallente used to fill these roles just fine years ago -they were just constantly nerfed indirectly whilst other got boosted:

- Changes to speed, webs, scrams and MWDs in QR finally broke them - everyone thought it would hit Minmatar the worst, but all in all, it turned out they were largely unaffected by the changes.
Every Blasterboat had an MWD and a web - kind of sucks to be Gallente when everyone can turn your propmod off way outside your optimal+falloff and your web is nerfed from 90 to 60% at the same time whilst base speed and agility is among the worst in the game.
- Not only were some Gallente ships heavily nerfed with the introduction of dronebandwidth (whatever sicko came up with the idea of 75 mbit/sec bandwidth for the myrm tortures little kitten in his basement), but also medium and heavy drones received multiple nerfs over the years, which again struck Gallente the worst.
- At the same time, Projectiles and tracking enhancers were buffed into oblivion which left autocannons better at being blasters than blasters themselves up close and the bonus of having insane falloff.
- Thanks to on-grid probing, sniping BS fleets died and the only long range system put to practical use are arties, thanks to their sick alpha. So yeah - rails are dead - just as beams.

When asking for better range for blasters, people constantly argued that then, they would be too akin to ACs - well - maybe CCP shouldn't have made ACs the better blasters in the first place.

This is a pretty decent post but I feel it lacks relevance to today's Eve, because there's a whole boost that you're quietly ignoring.

-Liang

Actually, I wasn't whining but pointing out reasons in eve's patch history why blasters used to fill the close combat and sniping roles just fine until about three years ago and became completely broken despite the hulls and turrets never having been touched.

I'm not saying Hybrids are fine yet - time will tell - but at least they're not flat out broken anymore.

I wasn't ignoring the boost, my post was referring to the quoted dialogue, so intentionally commenting the pre-boost situation and what made the boost necessary, or:



As for the curent situation, again quoting an earlier post in this thread:

Talos is pretty much my favorite roaming ship now. Blasters are fine, stop whining.

Talos is pretty much my favorite roaming ship now. Blasters are fine, stop whining.

So you're running a 2 LSE Talos with 2 TEs. Looks like you're generally doing pretty well with it. Are you using it straight solo or are you running in a gang? Are you running with logi support?

-Liang

How many people in this thread have flown a blaster ship in a meaningful way since the boost? I'm just trying to get a feel for how much theorycraft there is vs how much actual experience.

-Liang

Both solo and small gang. No scouts or links when going solo, usually links but no logistics support if roaming in a small gang.

It's a really good ship and has pretty much replaced me flying Canes + Drakes.

http://bluerep.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11930563
http://bluerep.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11930446
http://bluerep.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11882158
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I really think blasters work very well indeed in their intended role at the moment. Best damage, best tracking, can switch ammo if needed, cap is a non-issue, speed deficiency is not apparent in real combat situations. That said, I didn't feel underpowered before Crucible, I fly Gallente boats in various ways, and love them all. I use rails+sentries in PvP. I even fly the Celestis in a damping role a lot. According to the forums, these are all useless.

Of course close-range boat is a poor counter to kiting, but I've been kited exactly once in my career (Crow killed my Incursus). Of course you commit to a fight in a brawler ship.

Every time I undock in a Thorax or Brutix I know there is a high chance of getting primaried... I hesitate for a split second, but then I remember that 1000 unheated DPS, and I think

**** yeah

The sissies can kite all they want, I'm playing for that **** yeah -feeling.

http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11930677

Sadly, I am loving the Talos for other reasons.

We even jumped into these guys and burned off. Our FC said that one of the drakes would get caught but then we'd own them if they were blaster fit. Sadly, what he predicted came true.

Exemplifies all that is wrong with armor-tanked blaster boats. They even had logi support. Armor buffer tank when you are sitting at a warp-in, on station undock, etc... For everything else either hull tank with ewar in mids, or shield tank to keep up speed.

Otherwise I have been loving the new blasters. Massive dps, get in range a bit quicker, Guns are hitting when they used to miss.

Though I've been losing ENI's like crazy (Exeqeror Navy Issue) they have been a blast to fly. Fast, mobile dps.

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I'm not sure that comments on armor tanked blaster boats as much as it comments on how paper thin Tier 3 BCs taking sentry fire can be utterly raped when hit by 10 BCs, 2 T3s, and an assortment of bombers. :-/

-Liang

Perhap. Shield tanked Talos can have a much larger tank + same dps, and much more quickly as well. Armor tanking leads to less mobility than Tier 2 BCs, less EHP, etc....

They had no opportunity to catch more than one drake. Once out of tackle range the fight was effectively over.

meh. Been there, done that too many times in blaster hulls.

Of course close-range boat is a poor counter to kiting, but I've been kited exactly once in my career (Crow killed my Incursus). Of course you commit to a fight in a brawler ship.

Blasters do alright in RvB.

They're working fine in small gang low sec piracy too.

-Liang

They're working fine in small gang low sec piracy too.

-Liang

Which ones?

I see a lot of Megathrons for sure when I poke about Low, Large Neut, DPS and Incredible may not scale up but sure is scary when your staring down the barrel of one. Neut Domi as well. But what Blaster fits do you see hanging around?

They're working fine in small gang low sec piracy too.

-Liang

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Stop making excuses for why you can't PVP with Blasters and just do it. After the requisite time when you learn to actually PVP I think you'll find they perform in their role quite adequately.

-Liang

Diemost with 2 nanos = 2km/s (post "buff," that is). Vega with same 2 nanos = 3km/s. Diemost with 2 range mods and null = almost zero dps at 27-32km point range. Vega with same 2 range mods = 85% dps at point range.

You embarrass yourself.

On a more serious note, you've got to be really out of touch to keep pretending gallante and hybrids work. Undock once in a while.

Diemost with 2 nanos = 2km/s (post "buff," that is). Vega with same 2 nanos = 3km/s. Diemost with 2 range mods and null = almost zero dps at 27-32km point range. Vega with same 2 range mods = 85% dps at point range.

You embarrass yourself.

On a more serious note, you've got to be really out of touch to keep pretending gallante and hybrids work. Undock once in a while.

Why are you commenting a low sec logi pilot?? Im pretty sure he knows pvp...rofl

Heretics don't tend to make use of Logis... and they also don't roam a lot. That means I'm putting in a lot more hours in ships like Harpies and Moas than Basilisks right now. I guess the cool thing about it is that I can fly Harpies in Amamake - there's enough PVP concentrated in the one system that the 15 minute Gate Guns Will **** You timer doesn't put a serious crimp in my sub-BC PVP.

-Liang