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Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 16:27:00 - [1] The new regions are BROKEN. There are - * No Hauler Spawns * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) * Broken asteroids * Broken rewards for belt rats (mineral price crash caused by new region ratting) * No static complexes * Lack of tritanium/pyerite - no loot refines to trit, little pyerite, no hauler spawns * No faction spawns * No conquerable stations Some of those are intentional. The drone regions are supposed to be "tougher" than other reasons. No conquerable stations I believe is intentional. No hauler spawns possibly. No gas clouds? Maybe. Lack of tritanium/pyerite, maybe? But for now the drone regions are less rewarding than other regions, more hassle, and for the most part, simply broken. This is understandable for new content, and I have every confidence the Developers intend to fix these problems. But the Developers need to do the following. * Acknowledge the problems. * State a priority on them. * Estimate some kind of timescale. * Fix them. This is NOT too much to ask. There was previously a thread discussing these things, but it has been moved. Petitions have been tried - no response. To my knowledge there has been no Developer response on these issues. One is needed. Many, many alliances use the new regions. Please, CCP, respond. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Adoro Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.16 16:29:00 - [2] Some mates of me went there recently and they keep telling me: "OMG!!!11oneone!!! ISK ISK ISK!!!!111ONE!!!ELEVENTEEN!!!!111one" You get the idea...the alloys are worth alot they keep telling me. So why is it not profitable? No loot, ok....but the alloys... -------- Originally by: Lavinrac Krad You're either one of us or a Minmatar! What about Amarr? Bah, ha ha ha ha, Amarr, lol...
Doomed Predator Order Of The Sentinel FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 16:34:00 - [3] I've been in the new regions for 6 days and i have 200mill+ in minerals. Besides almost every salvage compound drops here. The belt rats that fly off are rare,maybe you just have bad luck.All the drones are hauler spawns in sorts. Gleaming alloys give trit, so stop killing all the bs spawns and go for the cruiser and bc sized ones. As for the faction spawns and plexes i would say yeah would be nice if we had them. But what would the faction spawns drop?
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.16 16:47:00 - [4] Originally by: Adoro Some mates of me went there recently and they keep telling me: "OMG!!!11oneone!!! ISK ISK ISK!!!!111ONE!!!ELEVENTEEN!!!!111one" You get the idea...the alloys are worth alot they keep telling me. So why is it not profitable? No loot, ok....but the alloys... A little off-topic here but what is it with the ONEONE!!ELEVEN!!111 stuff? I keep seeing it these days and I have no idea what it means. Every time I do see it though it has me in stitches. It looks like a written form of tourettes.
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.16 16:51:00 - [5] Originally by: Miss Anthropy Originally by: Adoro Some mates of me went there recently and they keep telling me: "OMG!!!11oneone!!! ISK ISK ISK!!!!111ONE!!!ELEVENTEEN!!!!111one" You get the idea...the alloys are worth alot they keep telling me. So why is it not profitable? No loot, ok....but the alloys... A little off-topic here but what is it with the ONEONE!!ELEVEN!!111 stuff? I keep seeing it these days and I have no idea what it means. Every time I do see it though it has me in stitches. It looks like a written form of tourettes. Its someone demonstrating an IQ thats roughly room temprature ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun, Love is a stocked missle launcher. Sexual extacy is watching that NME Battleship go boom. "Will i
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 16:52:00 - [6] Edited by: Clorthos on 16/03/2007 16:52:42 There has not been 1 findable signature in the past 2 weeks or so, is this working as intended? The Giant Veld roids (read larger than the death star size) yeild 150k units of veld at the most
Anthal Order's Chaos FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 16:53:00 - [7] There's already a fairly lengthy topic on this here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=486494&page=3 It was moved to the MISSIONS forum, of all places (wtf?). Even by killing the smaller spawns, you still don't get enough trit for it to be worthwhile. 1 Gleaming Alloy is 299 Trit on a perfect refine. A perfect refine of Veld (333 units) yields 1000 trit. Relying on rats to get the millions or billions of trit the industrials need just isn't feasible.
Cloora APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.03.16 17:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Miss Anthropy A little off-topic here but what is it with the ONEONE!!ELEVEN!!111 stuff? I keep seeing it these days and I have no idea what it means. Every time I do see it though it has me in stitches. It looks like a written form of tourettes. It is supposed to look like a written form of spastic tourettes. It all started with people intentionally putting excessive amounts of exclamation points after somehting and then if moved to people not hitting shift on a few of them and they are ones instead (hence the spastic form of it) and now people make even more fun of it by actually typing out oneone or even eleven or eleventy etc. Blame the internet for all this intentionally wrong spelling and improper sentence structure and excessive us of acronyms. (OMG! WTF? STFU! etc) But for some reason I find it hilareous and never gets old. Like how people spell LAZORZ! and the cute cat pics like the one licking himself and saying "I has a FLAVOR!" LOL! ======================================== Production Assistant of APEX Unlimited I don't want to be forced to Jet Can mine or buy a hauler alt to mine effectivly. BIGGER CARGO HOLDS IN BARGES NOW!
Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 17:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Doomed Predator I've been in the new regions for 6 days and i have 200mill+ in minerals. Besides almost every salvage compound drops here. The belt rats that fly off are rare,maybe you just have bad luck.All the drones are hauler spawns in sorts. Gleaming alloys give trit, so stop killing all the bs spawns and go for the cruiser and bc sized ones. As for the faction spawns and plexes i would say yeah would be nice if we had them. But what would the faction spawns drop? So you enjoy hauling 200mil isk in a t1 hauler 35 jumps to empire? Not everyone has capitals or t2 haulers. Refining is also limited to a pos unless you have an outpost, and even then the refine skills are a huge time sink. So sure you can make "200mil" in alloys, but if you have 0 refining skills and lose 1 of 3 hauls to empire you are barley making 100mil off of that. The ratting also requires you to warp away after almost literally every spawn and take the loot to storage. Again, without an outpost that means giant can, and lots of them. Even if you have an outpost near you would then have to leave the system after every other belt to use it. So the reward < the effort imo. With isk rats you can easily rat in a system for 6+ hours without even having to grab ammo, and salvaging. WIth drones you can rat for maybe 10min or so needing to return to get ammo or drop loot. So yeah, we need a little love. Ni4Ni
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 17:17:00 - [10] I agree with what's being said about ratting. But the thread is going a little bit off topic. The topic is : Broken stuff in the new regions, and getting some kind of response on what is going to happen. Galaxian Recruitment Info

Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 17:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Stamm * No Hauler Spawns It is supposed to be a region that has been abbandonned by all and quarantine by concord. What would you expect ? Quote: * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') Granted on that one. But they are rare. Quote: * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Granted. Quote: * Broken asteroids "Maybe" But hopefully you got all type of roid down here. Quote: * Broken rewards for belt rats (mineral price crash caused by new region ratting) It's a feature ! In the drone region the industry is far more easier to develop than anywhere else, The lack of hauler spawn give some problem Quote: * No static complexes A feature sadly , but in an afternoon you get more isk by ratting than doing a 10/10 complex. Quote: * Lack of tritanium/pyerite - no loot refines to trit, little pyerite, no hauler spawns Yup, we have to haul that most of the time. Quote: * No faction spawns The place have been quarantine what do you expected. Quote: * No conquerable stations "Who cares ?" ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Doomed Predator Order Of The Sentinel FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 17:32:00 - [12] Edited by: Doomed Predator on 16/03/2007 17:35:20 Originally by: Venix stuff So you have to do a bit of traveling i don't mind.I take they zyd,mega and morphite to empire with the recon and sell all the other stuff at the outpost. Not making as much isk as i could but i don't mind. I mean it's a game. You don't have to be 100% efficient.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 17:38:00 - [13] Originally by: Esurnir Sweeping statements about what is and what isn't a feature or bug. Either you used your player account by accident, or you're not a Dev. If you're not a Dev then how could you know what's intended and what isn't intended. And why are you trying to make the same points I made MYSELF in the original post? Of course it's possible hauler spawns aren't intended to be here. And no complexes is a game feature? Is it? Are you sure? You're spouting off "facts" that aren't facts. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Erotic Irony RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 17:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Esurnir Originally by: Stamm * No Hauler Spawns It is supposed to be a region that has been abbandonned by all and quarantine by concord. What would you expect ? I seriously hope you aren't privileging the importance of role-play tripe to practical in-game realities--without the ability to acquire resources vis-a-vis complexes, asteroids and belt npcs, no alliance can realistically sustain itself. To my mind, CCPs rationale for a laisseze-faire approach in the name of RP stinks of irresponsibility and harried design. This isn't a question of improving belt rats or adding some complexes but rather radically re-evaluating resource distribution in the new space. No one has any illusions about life in 0.0 but there is absolutely no sense of parity here--I can rationalize gas clouds and 0.0 cosmos in some regions as an antidote to a lack of complexes for example, but given that the new space is so bereft of absolutely every resource, the status quo is incomprehensible. There are all types of ore but it is surely a cruel joke that no asteroid will survive a single cycle. If Shiva represented the begining of player infrastructure, then the only Revelation as late has been the dismal failure of CCP to live up that promise. ___
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:09:00 - [15] Edited by: Esurnir on 16/03/2007 18:05:55 Originally by: Stamm Whine Damn my cover is blown ! I admit I don't know ** about the complexes, never made one, never cared about doing one. But here is a random post in our internal forum : Quote: i agree with X I ran the station ultima I think a 10/10 or maybe an 8 with an ex bob pilot, made about 300mil , but you rely on good drops and a mistake can cost you a very expensive ship. An afternoon casual ratting here can easily get 100-200mil(maybe more i get bored easily) and your ship is almost never in danger complex's are a nice regular form of isk but i think they cause more problems internally And yes I privilege rp coherence over practical gameplay. I enjoy leaving in a world that sounds realistic enough. ---- Quote:** Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Eliax Gallente Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:12:00 - [16] Trying to get replies from CCP in this thread too: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=443400&page=5
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:14:00 - [17] Oh and a dev stated that they are currently making some research to see if the respawn rate of the belt is broken ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Doomed Predator Edited by: Doomed Predator on 16/03/2007 17:35:20 Originally by: Venix stuff So you have to do a bit of traveling i don't mind.I take they zyd,mega and morphite to empire with the recon and sell all the other stuff at the outpost. Not making as much isk as i could but i don't mind. I mean it's a game. You don't have to be 100% efficient. 100% im not asking for, maybe 20% and id be content. We literall have to import low in minerals to make ammo, yes, ammo. Not ships, or mods, or capitals, but ammo. I can get a more even spread of minerals from refining loot in empire. You use a recon to haul, that again goes into the spec ship area. So a new player that is barley stable in a BS has to train for a recon just to be in a Drone region alliance? We knew it in advance tho, and we have to live with it. However, with all of the other issues we have this is just icing on the cake on the level of irritation. So Yeah, we just need some love. Roids are a huge issue, and we NEED low ends or this is never going to work. Ni4Ni 37kb image on a host site and i get modded.... [orange]Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize o
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:17:00 - [19] Edited by: Miss Anthropy on 16/03/2007 18:21:02 Originally by: Cloora Originally by: Miss Anthropy A little off-topic here but what is it with the ONEONE!!ELEVEN!!111 stuff? I keep seeing it these days and I have no idea what it means. Every time I do see it though it has me in stitches. It looks like a written form of tourettes. It is supposed to look like a written form of spastic tourettes. It all started with people intentionally putting excessive amounts of exclamation points after somehting and then if moved to people not hitting shift on a few of them and they are ones instead (hence the spastic form of it) and now people make even more fun of it by actually typing out oneone or even eleven or eleventy etc. Blame the internet for all this intentionally wrong spelling and improper sentence structure and excessive us of acronyms. (OMG! WTF? STFU! etc) But for some reason I find it hilareous and never gets old. Like how people spell LAZORZ! and the cute cat pics like the one licking himself and saying "I has a FLAVOR!" LOL! Lol, I haven't seen that pic. Thanks for the explanation about the 1's. Now I'm off to Google that pic. EDIT: Found it I think. Here.
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:18:00 - [20] Originally by: Venix Roids are a huge issue, and we NEED low ends or this is never going to work. I completely agree with this statement. Mining low end mineral is simply too difficult. The roid pop fast, and stripping the belt of veldspar and scordite dont bring enough mins. We have to do freighter run to bring low end mins ourselves. ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51

Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:22:00 - [21] It sounds to me (and I have no validity here because I'm a carebear) that the only real problems are exploration sites and asteroids, the latter mainly to deal with a lack of the cheaper minerals. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Darkrogue Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:30:00 - [22] Sounds like there are a few issues, but also some of the points you brought up are not very valid. -Hauler spawns: Very important, they provide low-end minerals in abundance, and I believe they should be implemented into the new regions. -Exploration: If any exploration sites are broken specifically for new regions it should be fixed. -Belt rat rewards are fine. -There are NOT supposed to be static complexes or conquerable stations in the new regions by design. -Faction Spawns: Should not exist, there are no faction drones.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Frug It sounds to me (and I have no validity here because I'm a carebear) that the only real problems are exploration sites and asteroids, the latter mainly to deal with a lack of the cheaper minerals. It's a combination of factors. There is a REAL problem with the minerals that drop from rats. Zydrine has dropped, and continues to drop in price, and I cannot see an end to this. Eventually the price will go to just under 1000 (NPCs buy for 1024, if you can find the buy orders). Nocxium will fall to absolute base price as well. This wrecks mining high ends for profit right across Eve, not just the new regions. The split of minerals in the compounds needs to be adjusted so that it isn't the way it is now. Possibly they could drop inert useless objects that NPCs buy in Empire, the problem with that is that it would cause ISK to enter the game, but ISK is going to enter the game anyway with the way things are currently going. The only other thing I can think of is that they drop a wider range of things, such as complex and simple reactions, ice minerals, or basically just any consumable. The rats themselves are bugged. Many of them appear to bounce off asteroids, and take 10+ minutes to slow down, and then turn back. There's questions about the respawn rates, although I don't know much about that. The asteroids in general are bugged. They do not spawn correctly. The hauler spawn category for Rogue Drones has been added, why would this be added if hauler drones were not intended? No faction drone category was added, so it's perhaps reasonable to assume no faction rogue drones are intended. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not asking for free mountains of trit, 10/10 complexes up the wazoo and bounties on rats that drop Core X-Type armour hardeners. I'm asking for a response from the Developers on when they intend to fix the bugs that are present in a heavily populated area of the game. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Phandros Kiel	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:31:00 - [24] Nobody is forcing you to live out there. It's rather short-sighted of you to assume that CCP intended to make it the same as all the other 0.0 regions... personally, I'm VERY glad for a little diversity and challenge. I like the drone regions just the way they are, thanks. Don't ever assume just because there's a sqeaky wheel out there that it needs some grease. There might just be someone behind it saying 'squeak squeak squeak'. The spawns launching themselves off of asteroids... yeah, annoying. So is warping to 0 of a belt and getting flung away at 12k/sec. I suspect they're both part of the same problem of the belts being created on the warp-in point, rather than around them like we see in the rest of EVE. But, experience is the master, here and I can live it now that I know the tricks to avoiding both. I made my billions (and billions and billions) in the drone regions... it's not that hard. Just different. Adapt or leave.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Phandros Kiel Nobody is forcing you to live out there. It's rather short-sighted of you to assume that CCP intended to make it the same as all the other 0.0 regions... personally, I'm VERY glad for a little diversity and challenge. I like the drone regions just the way they are, thanks. Don't ever assume just because there's a sqeaky wheel out there that it needs some grease. There might just be someone behind it saying 'squeak squeak squeak'. The spawns launching themselves off of asteroids... yeah, annoying. So is warping to 0 of a belt and getting flung away at 12k/sec. I suspect they're both part of the same problem of the belts being created on the warp-in point, rather than around them like we see in the rest of EVE. But, experience is the master, here and I can live it now that I know the tricks to avoiding both. I made my billions (and billions and billions) in the drone regions... it's not that hard. Just different. Adapt or leave. Oh take your self righteous attitude and shove it. There are things there that are BROKEN for **s sakes. Why do **er flamers seem so insistant on quoting parts of what people say, and ignoring others? I'm not asking for an easy time of it. I'm asking for bugs to be fixed. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:37:00 - [26] Originally by: Phandros Kiel Nobody is forcing you to live out there. It's rather short-sighted of you to assume that CCP intended to make it the same as all the other 0.0 regions... personally, I'm VERY glad for a little diversity and challenge. I like the drone regions just the way they are, thanks. Don't ever assume just because there's a sqeaky wheel out there that it needs some grease. There might just be someone behind it saying 'squeak squeak squeak'. The spawns launching themselves off of asteroids... yeah, annoying. So is warping to 0 of a belt and getting flung away at 12k/sec. I suspect they're both part of the same problem of the belts being created on the warp-in point, rather than around them like we see in the rest of EVE. But, experience is the master, here and I can live it now that I know the tricks to avoiding both. I made my billions (and billions and billions) in the drone regions... it's not that hard. Just different. Adapt or leave. nice, post with your main so we can flame properly Ni4Ni 37kb image on a host site and i get modded.... [orange]Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize o
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 19:20:00 - [27] Yea its a crappy region, you can have it. And we didnt't want the station anyway But seriosly after getting back to regular 0.0 I did relise theres some real problems in the new regions. Lack of low ends: No hauler spawns, No loot drops, tiny veld roids. It is way too difficult to get hold of them. No "instant" cash: Making cash means hauling or jumping mins to empire and either selling dirt cheap or having to wait 1-7days for it to sell. With the lack of trit people can't build ships and mods to sell for isk up there without major logistics. Complexes: The only complexes I ever saw were either roid belts or 1 room (prbably broken) rat spawns. nothing at all approching even a 6/10 or 8/10 -----
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.03.16 19:27:00 - [28] Originally by: Stamm It's a combination of factors. There is a REAL problem with the minerals that drop from rats. Zydrine has dropped, and continues to drop in price, and I cannot see an end to this. Eventually the price will go to just under 1000 (NPCs buy for 1024, if you can find the buy orders). Nocxium will fall to absolute base price as well. This wrecks mining high ends for profit right across Eve, not just the new regions. The split of minerals in the compounds needs to be adjusted so that it isn't the way it is now. Possibly they could drop inert useless objects that NPCs buy in Empire, the problem with that is that it would cause ISK to enter the game, but ISK is going to enter the game anyway with the way things are currently going. The only other thing I can think of is that they drop a wider range of things, such as complex and simple reactions, ice minerals, or basically just any consumable. The rats themselves are bugged. Many of them appear to bounce off asteroids, and take 10+ minutes to slow down, and then turn back. There's questions about the respawn rates, although I don't know much about that. The asteroids in general are bugged. They do not spawn correctly. The hauler spawn category for Rogue Drones has been added, why would this be added if hauler drones were not intended? No faction drone category was added, so it's perhaps reasonable to assume no faction rogue drones are intended. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not asking for free mountains of trit, 10/10 complexes up the wazoo and bounties on rats that drop Core X-Type armour hardeners. I'm asking for a response from the Developers on when they intend to fix the bugs that are present in a heavily populated area of the game. Ok, missed the bouncing thing, which sounds like they're spawning the drone inside something that's spitting them out, should obviously be fixed. I'm sure they will eventually. You know. Soon(tm). Like next year. Don't think you really need complexes. Or much of the other points. I'm guessing this hauler spawn thing is these npc haulers I see moving out of stations and killing them drops stuff? You don't -need- that at all. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 19:49:00 - [29] I like the amount of isk that isn't a problem. The issue is you get out here and there is only one way to make any kind of reasonable isk and that is BS ratting. Your day will be like this: Login-> Undock-> Rat-> Haul Compounds-> Refine (if you can)-> Sell-> Logoff. If you attempt to do anything else your efforts will go unrewarded for the previous reasons "hollow" roids, borked complexes, etc. I think that if we could sustain our needs without needing to go to empire every other day to get isk and trit everything would fine. Velios M.Corp on LV fall -"Whatever your viewpoint, the undeniable truth is that against such numbers of committed players in the coalition, we were doomed."-
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 19:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Frug Ok, missed the bouncing thing, which sounds like they're spawning the drone inside something that's spitting them out, should obviously be fixed. I'm sure they will eventually. You know. Soon(tm). Like next year. Don't think you really need complexes. Or much of the other points. I'm guessing this hauler spawn thing is these npc haulers I see moving out of stations and killing them drops stuff? You don't -need- that at all. Ok, you are being quite reasonable, but with all due respect if you don't know what a hauler spawn is, you're probably not qualified to judge if any are needed or not. A hauler spawn is a belt rat spawn, of hauler type rats that drop any type of mineral. Typically (almost exclusively) they drop trit or pyerite in large amounts. This trit and pyerite is what feeds alliances in normal 0.0 for the most part. We certainly don't need everything I listed, nor would I really want us to have it. But we do need some of it. If they can't fix roids then they can compensate in other ways. And there are some things that need fixed just for the good of the game. Static complexes? I don't see why they shouldn't be there, there's already rogue drone plexes elsewhere, there's no reason why they couldn't be in the new regions. But the main thing for complexes is the exploration sites, just now they are broken and in need of repair. There's many ways for an Alliance to get trit in 0.0. - Hauler spawns (main reason) - Refining crap loot (supplemental reason) - Mining tritanium (almost unheard of) - Importing it compressed (needs a lot of organisation and is a big hassle) Hauler spawns, refining, and mining are all out. That leaves importing it compressed, which you can only do if you have an outpost. Thankfully RULE deployed a refinery on Jan 1st and we can import compressed trit, which of course we do. But most of the work done in GALAX is now compensating for the extra logistics required in the new regions. Our members spend time hauling loot, someone has to quartermaster it, it needs to be refined by someone with scrapmetal V, it needs to be hauled to empire, to a hub, and the sell order needs to be babysat until it's sold. And then the cash can be split up. Meanwhile someone is sourcing trit in empire, hauling it, compressing it, and then hauling up those items and getting them refined. Now. Let me be absolutely clear. THAT IS ALL FINE. IT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE.... IF, and it's a big IF. If the regions were in some way able to compensate for that. They no longer provide more isk from ratting than other regions, thanks to the minerals crash. In addition the drones are all messed up. You can't mine high ends out there. You can't run static plexes or moving plexes, you can't explore. Because of the things that are bugged in the new regions, things are tougher than they should be, and the space is less rewarding than intended. When RULE moved to the new regions we were perfectly aware there may be bugs - we had to rescan our moons twice. That kind of thing we take in our stride, it's unreasonable to expect perfection. But now it's March, and Kali went live in December, and there's no news at all about a fix, or even a recognition of the bugs. I hope people can understand my frustration. I'm the executor of RULE, and for things like this I feel I have some duty of care to represent my alliance for things like this. There's no sense in 700 pilots spamming CCP with petitions, when one (should) does the job. Galaxian Recruitment Info



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