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Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 16:27:00 - [1] The new regions are BROKEN. There are - * No Hauler Spawns * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) * Broken asteroids * Broken rewards for belt rats (mineral price crash caused by new region ratting) * No static complexes * Lack of tritanium/pyerite - no loot refines to trit, little pyerite, no hauler spawns * No faction spawns * No conquerable stations Some of those are intentional. The drone regions are supposed to be "tougher" than other reasons. No conquerable stations I believe is intentional. No hauler spawns possibly. No gas clouds? Maybe. Lack of tritanium/pyerite, maybe? But for now the drone regions are less rewarding than other regions, more hassle, and for the most part, simply broken. This is understandable for new content, and I have every confidence the Developers intend to fix these problems. But the Developers need to do the following. * Acknowledge the problems. * State a priority on them. * Estimate some kind of timescale. * Fix them. This is NOT too much to ask. There was previously a thread discussing these things, but it has been moved. Petitions have been tried - no response. To my knowledge there has been no Developer response on these issues. One is needed. Many, many alliances use the new regions. Please, CCP, respond. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Adoro Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.16 16:29:00 - [2] Some mates of me went there recently and they keep telling me: "OMG!!!11oneone!!! ISK ISK ISK!!!!111ONE!!!ELEVENTEEN!!!!111one" You get the idea...the alloys are worth alot they keep telling me. So why is it not profitable? No loot, ok....but the alloys... -------- Originally by: Lavinrac Krad You're either one of us or a Minmatar! What about Amarr? Bah, ha ha ha ha, Amarr, lol...
Doomed Predator Order Of The Sentinel FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 16:34:00 - [3] I've been in the new regions for 6 days and i have 200mill+ in minerals. Besides almost every salvage compound drops here. The belt rats that fly off are rare,maybe you just have bad luck.All the drones are hauler spawns in sorts. Gleaming alloys give trit, so stop killing all the bs spawns and go for the cruiser and bc sized ones. As for the faction spawns and plexes i would say yeah would be nice if we had them. But what would the faction spawns drop?
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.16 16:47:00 - [4] Originally by: Adoro Some mates of me went there recently and they keep telling me: "OMG!!!11oneone!!! ISK ISK ISK!!!!111ONE!!!ELEVENTEEN!!!!111one" You get the idea...the alloys are worth alot they keep telling me. So why is it not profitable? No loot, ok....but the alloys... A little off-topic here but what is it with the ONEONE!!ELEVEN!!111 stuff? I keep seeing it these days and I have no idea what it means. Every time I do see it though it has me in stitches. It looks like a written form of tourettes.
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.16 16:51:00 - [5] Originally by: Miss Anthropy Originally by: Adoro Some mates of me went there recently and they keep telling me: "OMG!!!11oneone!!! ISK ISK ISK!!!!111ONE!!!ELEVENTEEN!!!!111one" You get the idea...the alloys are worth alot they keep telling me. So why is it not profitable? No loot, ok....but the alloys... A little off-topic here but what is it with the ONEONE!!ELEVEN!!111 stuff? I keep seeing it these days and I have no idea what it means. Every time I do see it though it has me in stitches. It looks like a written form of tourettes. Its someone demonstrating an IQ thats roughly room temprature ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun, Love is a stocked missle launcher. Sexual extacy is watching that NME Battleship go boom. "Will i
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 16:52:00 - [6] Edited by: Clorthos on 16/03/2007 16:52:42 There has not been 1 findable signature in the past 2 weeks or so, is this working as intended? The Giant Veld roids (read larger than the death star size) yeild 150k units of veld at the most
Anthal Order's Chaos FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 16:53:00 - [7] There's already a fairly lengthy topic on this here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=486494&page=3 It was moved to the MISSIONS forum, of all places (wtf?). Even by killing the smaller spawns, you still don't get enough trit for it to be worthwhile. 1 Gleaming Alloy is 299 Trit on a perfect refine. A perfect refine of Veld (333 units) yields 1000 trit. Relying on rats to get the millions or billions of trit the industrials need just isn't feasible.
Cloora APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.03.16 17:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Miss Anthropy A little off-topic here but what is it with the ONEONE!!ELEVEN!!111 stuff? I keep seeing it these days and I have no idea what it means. Every time I do see it though it has me in stitches. It looks like a written form of tourettes. It is supposed to look like a written form of spastic tourettes. It all started with people intentionally putting excessive amounts of exclamation points after somehting and then if moved to people not hitting shift on a few of them and they are ones instead (hence the spastic form of it) and now people make even more fun of it by actually typing out oneone or even eleven or eleventy etc. Blame the internet for all this intentionally wrong spelling and improper sentence structure and excessive us of acronyms. (OMG! WTF? STFU! etc) But for some reason I find it hilareous and never gets old. Like how people spell LAZORZ! and the cute cat pics like the one licking himself and saying "I has a FLAVOR!" LOL! ======================================== Production Assistant of APEX Unlimited I don't want to be forced to Jet Can mine or buy a hauler alt to mine effectivly. BIGGER CARGO HOLDS IN BARGES NOW!
Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 17:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Doomed Predator I've been in the new regions for 6 days and i have 200mill+ in minerals. Besides almost every salvage compound drops here. The belt rats that fly off are rare,maybe you just have bad luck.All the drones are hauler spawns in sorts. Gleaming alloys give trit, so stop killing all the bs spawns and go for the cruiser and bc sized ones. As for the faction spawns and plexes i would say yeah would be nice if we had them. But what would the faction spawns drop? So you enjoy hauling 200mil isk in a t1 hauler 35 jumps to empire? Not everyone has capitals or t2 haulers. Refining is also limited to a pos unless you have an outpost, and even then the refine skills are a huge time sink. So sure you can make "200mil" in alloys, but if you have 0 refining skills and lose 1 of 3 hauls to empire you are barley making 100mil off of that. The ratting also requires you to warp away after almost literally every spawn and take the loot to storage. Again, without an outpost that means giant can, and lots of them. Even if you have an outpost near you would then have to leave the system after every other belt to use it. So the reward < the effort imo. With isk rats you can easily rat in a system for 6+ hours without even having to grab ammo, and salvaging. WIth drones you can rat for maybe 10min or so needing to return to get ammo or drop loot. So yeah, we need a little love. Ni4Ni
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 17:17:00 - [10] I agree with what's being said about ratting. But the thread is going a little bit off topic. The topic is : Broken stuff in the new regions, and getting some kind of response on what is going to happen. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 17:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Stamm * No Hauler Spawns It is supposed to be a region that has been abbandonned by all and quarantine by concord. What would you expect ? Quote: * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') Granted on that one. But they are rare. Quote: * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Granted. Quote: * Broken asteroids "Maybe" But hopefully you got all type of roid down here. Quote: * Broken rewards for belt rats (mineral price crash caused by new region ratting) It's a feature ! In the drone region the industry is far more easier to develop than anywhere else, The lack of hauler spawn give some problem Quote: * No static complexes A feature sadly , but in an afternoon you get more isk by ratting than doing a 10/10 complex. Quote: * Lack of tritanium/pyerite - no loot refines to trit, little pyerite, no hauler spawns Yup, we have to haul that most of the time. Quote: * No faction spawns The place have been quarantine what do you expected. Quote: * No conquerable stations "Who cares ?" ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Doomed Predator Order Of The Sentinel FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 17:32:00 - [12] Edited by: Doomed Predator on 16/03/2007 17:35:20 Originally by: Venix stuff So you have to do a bit of traveling i don't mind.I take they zyd,mega and morphite to empire with the recon and sell all the other stuff at the outpost. Not making as much isk as i could but i don't mind. I mean it's a game. You don't have to be 100% efficient.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 17:38:00 - [13] Originally by: Esurnir Sweeping statements about what is and what isn't a feature or bug. Either you used your player account by accident, or you're not a Dev. If you're not a Dev then how could you know what's intended and what isn't intended. And why are you trying to make the same points I made MYSELF in the original post? Of course it's possible hauler spawns aren't intended to be here. And no complexes is a game feature? Is it? Are you sure? You're spouting off "facts" that aren't facts. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Erotic Irony RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 17:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Esurnir Originally by: Stamm * No Hauler Spawns It is supposed to be a region that has been abbandonned by all and quarantine by concord. What would you expect ? I seriously hope you aren't privileging the importance of role-play tripe to practical in-game realities--without the ability to acquire resources vis-a-vis complexes, asteroids and belt npcs, no alliance can realistically sustain itself. To my mind, CCPs rationale for a laisseze-faire approach in the name of RP stinks of irresponsibility and harried design. This isn't a question of improving belt rats or adding some complexes but rather radically re-evaluating resource distribution in the new space. No one has any illusions about life in 0.0 but there is absolutely no sense of parity here--I can rationalize gas clouds and 0.0 cosmos in some regions as an antidote to a lack of complexes for example, but given that the new space is so bereft of absolutely every resource, the status quo is incomprehensible. There are all types of ore but it is surely a cruel joke that no asteroid will survive a single cycle. If Shiva represented the begining of player infrastructure, then the only Revelation as late has been the dismal failure of CCP to live up that promise. ___
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:09:00 - [15] Edited by: Esurnir on 16/03/2007 18:05:55 Originally by: Stamm Whine Damn my cover is blown ! I admit I don't know ** about the complexes, never made one, never cared about doing one. But here is a random post in our internal forum : Quote: i agree with X I ran the station ultima I think a 10/10 or maybe an 8 with an ex bob pilot, made about 300mil , but you rely on good drops and a mistake can cost you a very expensive ship. An afternoon casual ratting here can easily get 100-200mil(maybe more i get bored easily) and your ship is almost never in danger complex's are a nice regular form of isk but i think they cause more problems internally And yes I privilege rp coherence over practical gameplay. I enjoy leaving in a world that sounds realistic enough. ---- Quote:** Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Eliax Gallente Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:12:00 - [16] Trying to get replies from CCP in this thread too: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=443400&page=5
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:14:00 - [17] Oh and a dev stated that they are currently making some research to see if the respawn rate of the belt is broken ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Doomed Predator Edited by: Doomed Predator on 16/03/2007 17:35:20 Originally by: Venix stuff So you have to do a bit of traveling i don't mind.I take they zyd,mega and morphite to empire with the recon and sell all the other stuff at the outpost. Not making as much isk as i could but i don't mind. I mean it's a game. You don't have to be 100% efficient. 100% im not asking for, maybe 20% and id be content. We literall have to import low in minerals to make ammo, yes, ammo. Not ships, or mods, or capitals, but ammo. I can get a more even spread of minerals from refining loot in empire. You use a recon to haul, that again goes into the spec ship area. So a new player that is barley stable in a BS has to train for a recon just to be in a Drone region alliance? We knew it in advance tho, and we have to live with it. However, with all of the other issues we have this is just icing on the cake on the level of irritation. So Yeah, we just need some love. Roids are a huge issue, and we NEED low ends or this is never going to work. Ni4Ni 37kb image on a host site and i get modded.... [orange]Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize o
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:17:00 - [19] Edited by: Miss Anthropy on 16/03/2007 18:21:02 Originally by: Cloora Originally by: Miss Anthropy A little off-topic here but what is it with the ONEONE!!ELEVEN!!111 stuff? I keep seeing it these days and I have no idea what it means. Every time I do see it though it has me in stitches. It looks like a written form of tourettes. It is supposed to look like a written form of spastic tourettes. It all started with people intentionally putting excessive amounts of exclamation points after somehting and then if moved to people not hitting shift on a few of them and they are ones instead (hence the spastic form of it) and now people make even more fun of it by actually typing out oneone or even eleven or eleventy etc. Blame the internet for all this intentionally wrong spelling and improper sentence structure and excessive us of acronyms. (OMG! WTF? STFU! etc) But for some reason I find it hilareous and never gets old. Like how people spell LAZORZ! and the cute cat pics like the one licking himself and saying "I has a FLAVOR!" LOL! Lol, I haven't seen that pic. Thanks for the explanation about the 1's. Now I'm off to Google that pic. EDIT: Found it I think. Here.
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:18:00 - [20] Originally by: Venix Roids are a huge issue, and we NEED low ends or this is never going to work. I completely agree with this statement. Mining low end mineral is simply too difficult. The roid pop fast, and stripping the belt of veldspar and scordite dont bring enough mins. We have to do freighter run to bring low end mins ourselves. ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:22:00 - [21] It sounds to me (and I have no validity here because I'm a carebear) that the only real problems are exploration sites and asteroids, the latter mainly to deal with a lack of the cheaper minerals. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Darkrogue Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:30:00 - [22] Sounds like there are a few issues, but also some of the points you brought up are not very valid. -Hauler spawns: Very important, they provide low-end minerals in abundance, and I believe they should be implemented into the new regions. -Exploration: If any exploration sites are broken specifically for new regions it should be fixed. -Belt rat rewards are fine. -There are NOT supposed to be static complexes or conquerable stations in the new regions by design. -Faction Spawns: Should not exist, there are no faction drones.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Frug It sounds to me (and I have no validity here because I'm a carebear) that the only real problems are exploration sites and asteroids, the latter mainly to deal with a lack of the cheaper minerals. It's a combination of factors. There is a REAL problem with the minerals that drop from rats. Zydrine has dropped, and continues to drop in price, and I cannot see an end to this. Eventually the price will go to just under 1000 (NPCs buy for 1024, if you can find the buy orders). Nocxium will fall to absolute base price as well. This wrecks mining high ends for profit right across Eve, not just the new regions. The split of minerals in the compounds needs to be adjusted so that it isn't the way it is now. Possibly they could drop inert useless objects that NPCs buy in Empire, the problem with that is that it would cause ISK to enter the game, but ISK is going to enter the game anyway with the way things are currently going. The only other thing I can think of is that they drop a wider range of things, such as complex and simple reactions, ice minerals, or basically just any consumable. The rats themselves are bugged. Many of them appear to bounce off asteroids, and take 10+ minutes to slow down, and then turn back. There's questions about the respawn rates, although I don't know much about that. The asteroids in general are bugged. They do not spawn correctly. The hauler spawn category for Rogue Drones has been added, why would this be added if hauler drones were not intended? No faction drone category was added, so it's perhaps reasonable to assume no faction rogue drones are intended. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not asking for free mountains of trit, 10/10 complexes up the wazoo and bounties on rats that drop Core X-Type armour hardeners. I'm asking for a response from the Developers on when they intend to fix the bugs that are present in a heavily populated area of the game. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Phandros Kiel	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:31:00 - [24] Nobody is forcing you to live out there. It's rather short-sighted of you to assume that CCP intended to make it the same as all the other 0.0 regions... personally, I'm VERY glad for a little diversity and challenge. I like the drone regions just the way they are, thanks. Don't ever assume just because there's a sqeaky wheel out there that it needs some grease. There might just be someone behind it saying 'squeak squeak squeak'. The spawns launching themselves off of asteroids... yeah, annoying. So is warping to 0 of a belt and getting flung away at 12k/sec. I suspect they're both part of the same problem of the belts being created on the warp-in point, rather than around them like we see in the rest of EVE. But, experience is the master, here and I can live it now that I know the tricks to avoiding both. I made my billions (and billions and billions) in the drone regions... it's not that hard. Just different. Adapt or leave.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Phandros Kiel Nobody is forcing you to live out there. It's rather short-sighted of you to assume that CCP intended to make it the same as all the other 0.0 regions... personally, I'm VERY glad for a little diversity and challenge. I like the drone regions just the way they are, thanks. Don't ever assume just because there's a sqeaky wheel out there that it needs some grease. There might just be someone behind it saying 'squeak squeak squeak'. The spawns launching themselves off of asteroids... yeah, annoying. So is warping to 0 of a belt and getting flung away at 12k/sec. I suspect they're both part of the same problem of the belts being created on the warp-in point, rather than around them like we see in the rest of EVE. But, experience is the master, here and I can live it now that I know the tricks to avoiding both. I made my billions (and billions and billions) in the drone regions... it's not that hard. Just different. Adapt or leave. Oh take your self righteous attitude and shove it. There are things there that are BROKEN for **s sakes. Why do **er flamers seem so insistant on quoting parts of what people say, and ignoring others? I'm not asking for an easy time of it. I'm asking for bugs to be fixed. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:37:00 - [26] Originally by: Phandros Kiel Nobody is forcing you to live out there. It's rather short-sighted of you to assume that CCP intended to make it the same as all the other 0.0 regions... personally, I'm VERY glad for a little diversity and challenge. I like the drone regions just the way they are, thanks. Don't ever assume just because there's a sqeaky wheel out there that it needs some grease. There might just be someone behind it saying 'squeak squeak squeak'. The spawns launching themselves off of asteroids... yeah, annoying. So is warping to 0 of a belt and getting flung away at 12k/sec. I suspect they're both part of the same problem of the belts being created on the warp-in point, rather than around them like we see in the rest of EVE. But, experience is the master, here and I can live it now that I know the tricks to avoiding both. I made my billions (and billions and billions) in the drone regions... it's not that hard. Just different. Adapt or leave. nice, post with your main so we can flame properly Ni4Ni 37kb image on a host site and i get modded.... [orange]Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize o
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 19:20:00 - [27] Yea its a crappy region, you can have it. And we didnt't want the station anyway But seriosly after getting back to regular 0.0 I did relise theres some real problems in the new regions. Lack of low ends: No hauler spawns, No loot drops, tiny veld roids. It is way too difficult to get hold of them. No "instant" cash: Making cash means hauling or jumping mins to empire and either selling dirt cheap or having to wait 1-7days for it to sell. With the lack of trit people can't build ships and mods to sell for isk up there without major logistics. Complexes: The only complexes I ever saw were either roid belts or 1 room (prbably broken) rat spawns. nothing at all approching even a 6/10 or 8/10 -----
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.03.16 19:27:00 - [28] Originally by: Stamm It's a combination of factors. There is a REAL problem with the minerals that drop from rats. Zydrine has dropped, and continues to drop in price, and I cannot see an end to this. Eventually the price will go to just under 1000 (NPCs buy for 1024, if you can find the buy orders). Nocxium will fall to absolute base price as well. This wrecks mining high ends for profit right across Eve, not just the new regions. The split of minerals in the compounds needs to be adjusted so that it isn't the way it is now. Possibly they could drop inert useless objects that NPCs buy in Empire, the problem with that is that it would cause ISK to enter the game, but ISK is going to enter the game anyway with the way things are currently going. The only other thing I can think of is that they drop a wider range of things, such as complex and simple reactions, ice minerals, or basically just any consumable. The rats themselves are bugged. Many of them appear to bounce off asteroids, and take 10+ minutes to slow down, and then turn back. There's questions about the respawn rates, although I don't know much about that. The asteroids in general are bugged. They do not spawn correctly. The hauler spawn category for Rogue Drones has been added, why would this be added if hauler drones were not intended? No faction drone category was added, so it's perhaps reasonable to assume no faction rogue drones are intended. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not asking for free mountains of trit, 10/10 complexes up the wazoo and bounties on rats that drop Core X-Type armour hardeners. I'm asking for a response from the Developers on when they intend to fix the bugs that are present in a heavily populated area of the game. Ok, missed the bouncing thing, which sounds like they're spawning the drone inside something that's spitting them out, should obviously be fixed. I'm sure they will eventually. You know. Soon(tm). Like next year. Don't think you really need complexes. Or much of the other points. I'm guessing this hauler spawn thing is these npc haulers I see moving out of stations and killing them drops stuff? You don't -need- that at all. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 19:49:00 - [29] I like the amount of isk that isn't a problem. The issue is you get out here and there is only one way to make any kind of reasonable isk and that is BS ratting. Your day will be like this: Login-> Undock-> Rat-> Haul Compounds-> Refine (if you can)-> Sell-> Logoff. If you attempt to do anything else your efforts will go unrewarded for the previous reasons "hollow" roids, borked complexes, etc. I think that if we could sustain our needs without needing to go to empire every other day to get isk and trit everything would fine. Velios M.Corp on LV fall -"Whatever your viewpoint, the undeniable truth is that against such numbers of committed players in the coalition, we were doomed."-
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 19:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Frug Ok, missed the bouncing thing, which sounds like they're spawning the drone inside something that's spitting them out, should obviously be fixed. I'm sure they will eventually. You know. Soon(tm). Like next year. Don't think you really need complexes. Or much of the other points. I'm guessing this hauler spawn thing is these npc haulers I see moving out of stations and killing them drops stuff? You don't -need- that at all. Ok, you are being quite reasonable, but with all due respect if you don't know what a hauler spawn is, you're probably not qualified to judge if any are needed or not. A hauler spawn is a belt rat spawn, of hauler type rats that drop any type of mineral. Typically (almost exclusively) they drop trit or pyerite in large amounts. This trit and pyerite is what feeds alliances in normal 0.0 for the most part. We certainly don't need everything I listed, nor would I really want us to have it. But we do need some of it. If they can't fix roids then they can compensate in other ways. And there are some things that need fixed just for the good of the game. Static complexes? I don't see why they shouldn't be there, there's already rogue drone plexes elsewhere, there's no reason why they couldn't be in the new regions. But the main thing for complexes is the exploration sites, just now they are broken and in need of repair. There's many ways for an Alliance to get trit in 0.0. - Hauler spawns (main reason) - Refining crap loot (supplemental reason) - Mining tritanium (almost unheard of) - Importing it compressed (needs a lot of organisation and is a big hassle) Hauler spawns, refining, and mining are all out. That leaves importing it compressed, which you can only do if you have an outpost. Thankfully RULE deployed a refinery on Jan 1st and we can import compressed trit, which of course we do. But most of the work done in GALAX is now compensating for the extra logistics required in the new regions. Our members spend time hauling loot, someone has to quartermaster it, it needs to be refined by someone with scrapmetal V, it needs to be hauled to empire, to a hub, and the sell order needs to be babysat until it's sold. And then the cash can be split up. Meanwhile someone is sourcing trit in empire, hauling it, compressing it, and then hauling up those items and getting them refined. Now. Let me be absolutely clear. THAT IS ALL FINE. IT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE.... IF, and it's a big IF. If the regions were in some way able to compensate for that. They no longer provide more isk from ratting than other regions, thanks to the minerals crash. In addition the drones are all messed up. You can't mine high ends out there. You can't run static plexes or moving plexes, you can't explore. Because of the things that are bugged in the new regions, things are tougher than they should be, and the space is less rewarding than intended. When RULE moved to the new regions we were perfectly aware there may be bugs - we had to rescan our moons twice. That kind of thing we take in our stride, it's unreasonable to expect perfection. But now it's March, and Kali went live in December, and there's no news at all about a fix, or even a recognition of the bugs. I hope people can understand my frustration. I'm the executor of RULE, and for things like this I feel I have some duty of care to represent my alliance for things like this. There's no sense in 700 pilots spamming CCP with petitions, when one (should) does the job. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 20:09:00 - [31] Mining trit, I do that all day but it's simply not profitable "why ?" Because the only way to mine trit with an efficient trit yield is to mine veldspar/scordite only (other just add some crap like say zydrine or megacyte ? Who want those high end mins anyway nowaday ?). Basicly what we need to "mine trit" is a amarr like roid belt. Sadly they are all claimed by Chribba, if only we could import some of those belt out here the problem would be solved. ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Gallager Caldari GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 20:10:00 - [32] I am of a firm belief that should the low ends be more available in the new regions, we would see the slowing down of the high-end dumps on the market as alliances would stop taking all of the minerals to empire and have more production taking place in 0.0. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.16 20:11:00 - [33] Originally by: Frug Ok, missed the bouncing thing, which sounds like they're spawning the drone inside something that's spitting them out, should obviously be fixed. I'm sure they will eventually. You know. Soon(tm). Like next year. Don't think you really need complexes. Or much of the other points. I'm guessing this hauler spawn thing is these npc haulers I see moving out of stations and killing them drops stuff? You don't -need- that at all. As drones have complex in other regions, why not in the drone region? Not getting low end certanly is a problem. And the hauler spawn are those you see sometime even in high sec: the little pirate group with an hauler loaded of trytanium or puierite. So killing them you get a decent load of low end. it is only logic that drones need the low end too, so they are mining them. Adn a better spread of exploration complex will be interesting too. Old hackingsytes from before the drone developement, with some research item, archeo sytes from earlkyer colonization period, ecc.
Thoric Frosthammer The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.16 20:14:00 - [34] Edited by: Thoric Frosthammer on 16/03/2007 20:12:12 I'd have to say that as a resident, there are a couple things that are obviously "broken", and the rest are sort of the flavor of the region. The actually "broken" things: 1) The asteroid respawns are stupidly slow, and it's impossible to mine sufficient low ends to construct things. Since low ends dont drop off drones, we should have decent amounts of low ends to mine so that we can build. I can cope with the lack of high end roids. Other regions have sufficient resources to build without importing minerals that require huge cargo holds like the low ends. 2) The goddamn drones bouncing off things. I purposely mine out all the giant deathstar veld roids even though i dont get that much veld, just to clear systems for ratters so they wont get these bugged drones. Fix this. It's lame. 3) Broken exploration sites. It's just a bug, self explanatory. Everything else on your list i just see as the price we pay for having crazy mineral drops off our drones. Yes, zydrine is depressed, but the other minerals that drop are doing fine, and I still make a mint off them. As industry builds up in the new regions, more of those minerals will stay home for building purposes anyway, and the market will adjust. If you tool around the new regions right now, with a couple notable exceptions, the markets are crap because everyone hauls every mineral they have to empire to sell and builds nothing natively. When the prices make that less profitable than building in the new region the trend will reverse. That trend would be accelerated, as mentioned above, by having better access to low ends. Right now we depend on carrier jumps and mineral compression for that.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 20:35:00 - [35] An asteroid seeding issue in the G5KW region has been addressed. Let's hope that fixes the rest of the regions.... :) Galaxian Recruitment Info
Shurikane	Posted - 2007.03.16 20:44:00 - [36] tl;dr Now here's what I find that's wrong with the new 0.0 region: -Huge low-end asteroids with next to nothing in them. My corp could have all the Megacyte in the world, it doesn't help production if we don't have the trit and pyerite to hammer it with. And it doesn't make sense to see a Veldspar asteroid the size of a small moon pop in less than 5 minutes. -Whenever rats appear in a belt and my barge is parked, I get bumped away by an invisible force. I hit warp, and after roughly the amount of time it would've taken me to warp from a complete stop, everything vanishes around me. As if the server saw everything was running fine but my client made me collide with mysterious invisible things. What the hell? -Poor exploration/complex availability, if at all. I don't mean to create the drone base shipyard of doom, all I want is a bit of variety from the endless ratting. I'd like to have a change of pace once in a while, fight against a more substantial army of drones with some friends. I dunno, some sort of deadspace pocket where a few more powerful drones gather to have coffee, whatever, any excuse to have me fight something aside from the usual astroid spawns. News tell of a "sentient" drone queen? Where is she so I can kill her? That's it, that's all.
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.03.16 20:48:00 - [37] Need lowends? Buy from TINY., we can cram a couple hundreds BS-worth of compressed lowends in a single carrier run. Then take your ridiculously-cheap highends and build whatever you need. Mine and rat for the highends. Ship in the lowends from Empire. Everyone's running at peak efficiency that way. Why make your uber drone ratting pilot hop in a Hulk to pewpew Veldspar? That's not a good use of his time. MP -- TINY. Stage 2 IPO, because good things come in pairs.
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.16 20:50:00 - [38] I dont understand what it is that you want? You want a perfect region that supplies 100% of what you need to do every single aspect of the game? The point of 90% of the game mechanics is to make you branch out. Moon minerals (rares) spawn regionally, rig components spawn regionally, ice spawns regionally. You have to branch out and build a network to supply what you need. You want to be able to rat and gain all your high ends AND have low ends delivered to your doorstep? Sounds pretty unreasonable to me. Figure out a way to get low end minerals from someone or somewhere else, start thinking outside the box, and stop asking CCP to deliver you some paradise region. -Wylker
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Wylker I dont understand what it is that you want? You want a perfect region that supplies 100% of what you need to do every single aspect of the game? The point of 90% of the game mechanics is to make you branch out. Moon minerals (rares) spawn regionally, rig components spawn regionally, ice spawns regionally. You have to branch out and build a network to supply what you need. You want to be able to rat and gain all your high ends AND have low ends delivered to your doorstep? Sounds pretty unreasonable to me. Figure out a way to get low end minerals from someone or somewhere else, start thinking outside the box, and stop asking CCP to deliver you some paradise region. Read what I've written idiot. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Venix An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Wylker I dont understand what it is that you want? You want a perfect region that supplies 100% of what you need to do every single aspect of the game? The point of 90% of the game mechanics is to make you branch out. Moon minerals (rares) spawn regionally, rig components spawn regionally, ice spawns regionally. You have to branch out and build a network to supply what you need. You want to be able to rat and gain all your high ends AND have low ends delivered to your doorstep? Sounds pretty unreasonable to me. Figure out a way to get low end minerals from someone or somewhere else, start thinking outside the box, and stop asking CCP to deliver you some paradise region. You do realize that all other regions get ALL of their minerals in their space. While we get ZOMGWTFBBQ amounts of zyd, and then 3 trit. Ni4Ni 37kb image on a host site and i get modded.... [orange]Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize o
Thoric Frosthammer The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:25:00 - [41] Edited by: Thoric Frosthammer on 16/03/2007 21:23:21 Originally by: Wylker I dont understand what it is that you want? You want a perfect region that supplies 100% of what you need to do every single aspect of the game? The point of 90% of the game mechanics is to make you branch out. Moon minerals (rares) spawn regionally, rig components spawn regionally, ice spawns regionally. You have to branch out and build a network to supply what you need. You want to be able to rat and gain all your high ends AND have low ends delivered to your doorstep? Sounds pretty unreasonable to me. Figure out a way to get low end minerals from someone or somewhere else, start thinking outside the box, and stop asking CCP to deliver you some paradise region. As usual, your posts verge on drooling idiocy. The top three complaints here, in order are: 1) broken respawn rate on asteroids and a total inability to mine low ends. They are apparently fixing this, from the patch notes. Every other 0.0 region has some balance in this regard. Again, you must be wrong, because they recognized the problem and are fixing it. 2) Drones that warp away in excess of 4k m/s because they spawned inside an asteroid. Obvious bug, glitches systems spawns entirely. Only an idiot would say this is an unreasonable request. 3) The exploration sites that exist, are bugged and broken. Again, an obvious bug, they are intended to work but don't. Only an idiot would say this is an unreasonable request. But to expect you to understand these points or say anything remotely constructive would be contrary to your historically demonstrated levels of intellect, reading comprehension, and pointless spite (low, low and high, respectively), I suppose.
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:30:00 - [42] Originally by: Venix Originally by: Wylker I dont understand what it is that you want? You want a perfect region that supplies 100% of what you need to do every single aspect of the game? The point of 90% of the game mechanics is to make you branch out. Moon minerals (rares) spawn regionally, rig components spawn regionally, ice spawns regionally. You have to branch out and build a network to supply what you need. You want to be able to rat and gain all your high ends AND have low ends delivered to your doorstep? Sounds pretty unreasonable to me. Figure out a way to get low end minerals from someone or somewhere else, start thinking outside the box, and stop asking CCP to deliver you some paradise region. You do realize that all other regions get ALL of their minerals in their space. While we get ZOMGWTFBBQ amounts of zyd, and then 3 trit. Yes, all minerals. Except, alot of lowends and alot less highends. Gosh, that almost sounds like your own situation.
Thoric Frosthammer The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:38:00 - [43] Edited by: Thoric Frosthammer on 16/03/2007 21:35:10 Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Venix Originally by: Wylker I dont understand what it is that you want? You want a perfect region that supplies 100% of what you need to do every single aspect of the game? The point of 90% of the game mechanics is to make you branch out. Moon minerals (rares) spawn regionally, rig components spawn regionally, ice spawns regionally. You have to branch out and build a network to supply what you need. You want to be able to rat and gain all your high ends AND have low ends delivered to your doorstep? Sounds pretty unreasonable to me. Figure out a way to get low end minerals from someone or somewhere else, start thinking outside the box, and stop asking CCP to deliver you some paradise region. You do realize that all other regions get ALL of their minerals in their space. While we get ZOMGWTFBBQ amounts of zyd, and then 3 trit. Yes, all minerals. Except, alot of lowends and alot less highends. Gosh, that almost sounds like your own situation. Actually no. As a former resident in the Feythabolis region, for example, I could easily match the high ends I pick up in the new regions by mining with my Hulk, but i could ALSO get significant amounts of trit and pyerite fairly easily. The few rare minerals could be made up by ratting and refining the loot, fairly easily. As a result I was able to regularly build from only locally obtained materials. In the new region, this has proven to be almost impossible. I don't think anyone is asking for trit to fall from the skies, just increase the respawn on low end roids, which is currently ridiculously low.
Snake Doctor Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:21:00 - [44] So, what you're saying is: I don't like the neighborhood I chose to move in to, so God should come and give me more veldspar, make the nasties slower, build me a house, a car, a jetski, and then give me my own bridge leading to the other side of town... Dude-- the new regions aren't that bad. They took the stations out -on purpose- long ago. The whole idea of that (mega)region of space is that SCC lost control of their drones and they went rampant and utterly messed up the region, deconstructing and annihilating everything just so that they could reproduce in wild fashion. Up until very recently, the gates were dark. All of the sudden, they activated. Or something like that. Really--- the only thing the region "Needs" is a massive drone complex (or network of complexes) that support the fiction of the area.
MassonA Caldari coracao ardente	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:24:00 - [45] if you want low ends kill frigs and cruisers high ends are BS ___________________________
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:27:00 - [46] Originally by: Snake Doctor So, what you're saying is: I don't like the neighborhood I chose to move in to, so God should come and give me more veldspar, make the nasties slower, build me a house, a car, a jetski, and then give me my own bridge leading to the other side of town... Dude-- the new regions aren't that bad. They took the stations out -on purpose- long ago. The whole idea of that (mega)region of space is that SCC lost control of their drones and they went rampant and utterly messed up the region, deconstructing and annihilating everything just so that they could reproduce in wild fashion. Up until very recently, the gates were dark. All of the sudden, they activated. Or something like that. Really--- the only thing the region "Needs" is a massive drone complex (or network of complexes) that support the fiction of the area. No, what I'm saying is fix the bugs. Please people. READ before flaming. I can guarantee the flamers aren't reading more than a few lines. The regions are supposed to be difficult, but rewarding. They are difficult, and not rewarding because things are broken. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:29:00 - [47] Quote: Really--- the only thing the region "Needs" is a massive drone complex (or network of complexes) that support the fiction of the area. ... and rats that don't bounce eachother at 12km/s, and properly seeded roids, and working hidden complexes, and other exploration sites (arcsal, hacking etc). If you want an RP explanation for such things then here we go. Long ago this space was open like all the rest, various factions went there and set up bases etc. Then the rogue drones arrived and steamrolled everything in the area. A long time later the gates were reopened, now only rogue drones were present in the region, but there are still lots of wrecked ancient bases and such that the drones are now using as bases/gathering places/whatever. Such places could be exploration sites.
Klorthos	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:51:00 - [48] Edited by: Klorthos on 16/03/2007 22:51:18 sorry alt post. delete this please
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:54:00 - [49] Originally by: Frug I'm guessing this hauler spawn thing is these npc haulers I see moving out of stations and killing them drops stuff? You don't -need- that at all. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hauler spawns usually drop several million units of trit or pyrite, they are the prime source of low end mins in 0.0, otherwise everyone in emprie would buy silos and coupling arrays reprocess and then make into compressed mods for transport to 0.0 ... They are needed and the new regions have the spawns in the database but they do not spawn in game, and I have killed more than a few rogue drones while being out here. The lack of cosmic sigs is annoying so all you have is to rat and salvage the wrecks, the roids are ALL spawning with lower than normal units and when I say lower than normal I mean that a gang can strip mine a system in less time that it took to mine out the high end minerals in old 0.0 space. That is rediculous, the belts have all the roids but only in very very small ammounts, the only thing not effected by the small spawn rates is the ice belts since 1 unit is 1km3 and all the roids spawning with 1k units is ok since so little goes so far at the moment. The lack of fixing of the area will continue to force everyone to rat to make isk and further drive the price of zyd and noxc down to sub npc buy levels, in the not so long run I see it becoming a very large 0.0 wasteland further forcing populations back into areas that were fairly crowded in the first place, and causing server stress and lag issues. Get this stuff sorted, now!!
Snake Doctor Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:09:00 - [50] I'm not flaming--- What I mean to say is that no one is taking into consideration that things may be as they are supposed to be out there... Everyone is so quick to say such and such is bugged blah blah blah. Maybe x is bugged, but that doesn't t,u,v,w,y and z are bugged with it. Maybe they wanted it that way?
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:16:00 - [51] Paradise Region?! Well if we are asking for that I have one more small request can you give a personal sec status increase for killing the drones I don't even need a bounty I just have a few ships stuck in a 1.0 system at the moment. Velios M.Corp on LV fall -"Whatever your viewpoint, the undeniable truth is that against such numbers of committed players in the coalition, we were doomed."-
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:16:00 - [52] Originally by: Snake Doctor I'm not flaming--- What I mean to say is that no one is taking into consideration that things may be as they are supposed to be out there... Everyone is so quick to say such and such is bugged blah blah blah. Maybe x is bugged, but that doesn't t,u,v,w,y and z are bugged with it. Maybe they wanted it that way? Maybe, but in that case it'd be nice to have a dev clarify that so everyone can stop wondering about it. I personally have a hard time believing they wanted the only new regions to be introduced in over 3 years to be a wasteland though.
Snake Doctor Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Xelios I personally have a hard time believing they wanted the only new regions to be introduced in over 3 years to be a wasteland though. I think it's a beautifully elegant idea: Here is some sand, here's a box. Enjoy.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:55:00 - [54] Originally by: Snake Doctor Originally by: Xelios I personally have a hard time believing they wanted the only new regions to be introduced in over 3 years to be a wasteland though. I think it's a beautifully elegant idea: Here is some sand, here's a box. Enjoy. Well I think it's more like "Here's a big sandbox, and here's a cup full of sand. Enjoy." The 'sand' is exactly what's missing/not working right. We've got the box (the regions) but little sand to play with.
Skarsnik Caldari A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:01:00 - [55] Originally by: Xelios Originally by: Snake Doctor Originally by: Xelios I personally have a hard time believing they wanted the only new regions to be introduced in over 3 years to be a wasteland though. I think it's a beautifully elegant idea: Here is some sand, here's a box. Enjoy. Well I think it's more like "Here's a big sandbox, and here's a cup full of sand. Enjoy." The 'sand' is exactly what's missing/not working right. We've got the box (the regions) but little sand to play with. And within that sand the people who are walking thir dogs are not carrying plastic bags with them In all honesty, those who have made the effort, (and yes it has been a lot of effort) for that effort to be rewarded in some way, even if only a small balancing, afterall EVE is based around Risk vs. eward, so far we have risked a lot for not very much. ------------- EVE-Ink Tattoo Project
Biosman GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:16:00 - [56] Drones should have a "bounty" implemented by concorde to give incentive to help annihilate the drone menace.In fact,the new region drones should have been a very different drone to the crappy empire ones,like the borg or something,half human half drone factional elites. Lets face it,the new regions are just dull and boring...and broken What made incentive to rat in other 0.0 regions is the chance you could get a faction spawn,it was still boring as hell,but at least you got isk,and loot and a possibility of a dread,or whatever. out here you log in,feed the pos,think whether to rat or not.....log off. tbfh no imagination went into the creation of the drone regions at all. It's a dump.and i lol at ccp's walk in stations as if its a great piece of inspiration,why the f* would we want that,what use is it? much rather see better planets and moons,better graphics,fixed nodes,less lag...walk in stations pppfffft way to go ccp, I played the Infinity Combat Demo,now THAT is how space should look. Hell i dont even know why i play this game at all,it s a
Red Crown Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:36:00 - [57] As a resident of 7KXBJ I wholeheartedly agree...this is rediculous. Is it hard to as for the asteroids to be there in the first place, not even going so far as to ask them to be fixed? 50% of belts are nearly totally worthless due to the utter and complete lack of rat spawns and bad asteroid spawns. Some belts don't even exist or are rediculosly off-grid. Its nuts. I knew it'd be hard but I'm seriously calling its validity into question. If CCP fixed the bugs I'd be happy. Just the bugs. All I ask.... "EVE is the worst MMORPG. Except for all the other ones." [KUDZU] = Coalition.
arkarsk Provenance.	Posted - 2007.03.17 01:01:00 - [58] Wish there was some dev acknowledgement or atleast denial of these problems. ----------------- Provenance.
FactorzGT Vendetta Underground	Posted - 2007.03.17 01:17:00 - [59] Patch Notes: An asteroid seeding issue in the G5KW region has been addressed. this is evidence that the devs acknowledge the asteroid belts are broken ... so my question is why only are you fixing the G5KW belts?
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.03.17 01:58:00 - [60] 1)It`s ok there are no static Drone Complexes. They are a pain in the ass. 2)What the rats drop is ok too, as the mins price drop WAS CAUSED by this. 3)I`m glad there is no conquerable stations... Err... wait... All CCP has to do is fix the damn roids. Maybe add more battleship graphics, as it does not make sense with the EvE history (seriously, if the Drone BS`s are assimilated Gallente Dominix`es, then the Gallente fleet once was huge, which makes no sense, because of the supposedly Amarr fleet crap yadda yabba)
Aerick Dawn Gallente Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 02:45:00 - [61] Honestly, the new regions are fine. The only thing I have to take issue with is the apparent love fest that goes on among everyone. I had to start shooting at people just to ensure that I still had a pulse. Alot of money can be made, however, there also has to be alot of alliance teamwork involved in making it work as well. At least 3 of the alliances that have already posted here do have that teamwork skill from what I have observed. ______________________ If I'm in a fair fight, i've done something terribly wrong.
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.17 03:25:00 - [62] People who have said there isn't a problem are just plain wrong. Even if you think that the drone regions are good (and for ratting they are quite profitable but require a lot more logistics / teamwork) you can't think the other problems are intended. The biggest problem in my opinion is the inability to mine high end ores. This is a problem that drastically weakens everyone based in the new regions. We need our industrialists to be getting rich by doing corp mining ops of our belts. We hold what was supposed to be the best space, takes the most logistics but gives the greatest reward. You can tell that because of how many systems have the arknor bistot and crokit in them but it's just a slap in the face to see those roids when you try to mine them and the rocks pop with one cycle. We sent petitions, we sent bug reports we post on forums, we're getting ignored and rather ****ed off. The exploration in the new regions is a matter of depth of game play. Give us something to do to have fun besides grind rats. Currently the only thing we can do is grind rats and go on pvp ops. -Bart
FactorzGT Vendetta Underground	Posted - 2007.03.17 03:28:00 - [63] 0.0 is supposed to be self sufficient try going a month anywhere else with your only access to tritanium is veld roids with 150k ore units you'll crash and burn and sure the drone alloy yields a good ratio of high end mins ... but what about pure industrialists that want to mine? Eve is supposed to be a grand game that rewards players for specializing also the drone alloys are pot luck - so say your need is higher in megacyte ... well you should be able to focus mine it ... again not an option currently i really don't see why so many people are disagreeing with the fact that these regions need attention
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.03.17 03:31:00 - [64] /me yawns "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein Member of the [UTSFAH] corp.
FactorzGT Vendetta Underground	Posted - 2007.03.17 03:58:00 - [65] Originally by: Celeste Coeval /me yawns if you're so tired then stop making useless posts and go to bed and quoting albert einstein doesn't make you smart ... it only proves you can copy and paste
Adamant Stehl The Devil's Rejects The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.03.17 06:17:00 - [66] To the OP and his post /signed all points valid. Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. Albert Einstein
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.03.17 08:05:00 - [67] once again i suggest that the roid fields get a slight boost but maybe add more drone related plexes - boost the invention side of things also
Tek'a Rain Gallente Isis Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.17 13:03:00 - [68] most of my info is second hand, and even I can see things are broken. think of pure isk factors for a moment.. assuming the logistics are flawless, and you have a hauler picking up your loot, etc, refining, shipping back to empire cause there is no trit to build anything.. the value of every rat is dropping every day, descending to the bare minimums held up by NPC issues. move past the "hurr hurr, you decided to move there, too bad for you" and "f00l1sh nubs, y u want everting hand to u on plat" what would You do if your bounties for every rat you killed.. Especially the high end ones, went down every day? more pointless everyday to even try Ratting there.. now think of the fun to try Living there. there is no /fix-region, but there needs to be more talk from devs about their flawed baby regions. heck, not even a timeframe with dates, just a "we have found many issues and problems with the new regions, will fix asap" would give some Hope to the people trying to live out there.
Niedar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.17 13:33:00 - [69] Quote: An asteroid seeding issue in the G5KW region has been addressed. Well looks like they took a 10 second breeze through this thread and decided to fix 1/8 the problem.
3rdD Dave Gallente Dark Entropy Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.03.17 14:19:00 - [70] FIX THE FRACKIN SPAWN RATES TOO !
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.17 14:27:00 - [71] Originally by: Niedar Quote: An asteroid seeding issue in the G5KW region has been addressed. Well looks like they took a 10 second breeze through this thread and decided to fix 1/8 the problem. Apparently G5KW had belts with no asteroids, that has been fixed. Some of my guys checked out the belts on the test server today (1.4 patch) and the belts have NOT been fixed. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Psych0 Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.17 14:43:00 - [72] Well atleast ive seen a good bug, just wish it werent a bug :) http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/-psych0-/heh.jpg Would be nice if that were standard :) PS: Count bs amount
Snake Doctor Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.17 15:55:00 - [73] This thread reeks of old news and burnt cabbage. No one is ever very constructive on this topic. I'd like (for once) to see a very well written thread that demands nothing, and asks a very directed, constructive question. Your mom goes to college...

CCP Oveur	Posted - 2007.03.17 16:01:00 - [74] Originally by: Stamm The new regions are BROKEN. There are - * No Hauler Spawns * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) * Broken asteroids * Broken rewards for belt rats (mineral price crash caused by new region ratting) * No static complexes * Lack of tritanium/pyerite - no loot refines to trit, little pyerite, no hauler spawns * No faction spawns * No conquerable stations Some of those are intentional. The drone regions are supposed to be "tougher" than other reasons. No conquerable stations I believe is intentional. No hauler spawns possibly. No gas clouds? Maybe. Lack of tritanium/pyerite, maybe? But for now the drone regions are less rewarding than other regions, more hassle, and for the most part, simply broken. This is understandable for new content, and I have every confidence the Developers intend to fix these problems. But the Developers need to do the following. * Acknowledge the problems. * State a priority on them. * Estimate some kind of timescale. * Fix them. This is NOT too much to ask. There was previously a thread discussing these things, but it has been moved. Petitions have been tried - no response. To my knowledge there has been no Developer response on these issues. One is needed. Many, many alliances use the new regions. Please, CCP, respond. The new regions are as they are supposed to be. They were never supposed to be "tougher" themselves, they were supposed to be built up by players, which requires logistics which is tougher. If we go through it item for item: * No Hauler Spawns - Intentional * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') Bugreport it * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Should be fixed in 1.4 * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong * Broken rewards for belt rats Intentional * No static complexes Intentional * Lack of tritanium/pyerite Intentional * No faction spawns Intentional * No conquerable stations Intentional If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. Senior Producer EVE Online


CCP Oveur	Posted - 2007.03.17 16:02:00 - [75] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: Niedar Quote: An asteroid seeding issue in the G5KW region has been addressed. Well looks like they took a 10 second breeze through this thread and decided to fix 1/8 the problem. Apparently G5KW had belts with no asteroids, that has been fixed. Some of my guys checked out the belts on the test server today (1.4 patch) and the belts have NOT been fixed. Asteroids are only occasionally reseeded on the test servers. Senior Producer EVE Online

Thresh Avery	Posted - 2007.03.17 16:11:00 - [76] Edited by: Thresh Avery on 17/03/2007 16:10:49 EDIT: Well most of this is pointless now as i was writing this when Oveur posted. Originally by: FactorzGT also the drone alloys are pot luck I did some research on this a month ago (simply printscreening the alloys found in bs wrecks and using my spreadsheet to work out the cost of a typical "bounty" for these ships) and although it's not necessary to prove it, as i have realised this from experience too, you're right about that. Per bs, alloys can range between: Lustering: 29-61 Glossy: 10-35 Motley: 34-78 Opulent: 3-21 Plush: 16-50 (and given that Plush makes up the main bulk of bs bounties, that's a huge differentiator) As has been said a lot in this thread, the alloys are dropping in price everyday, so it's taking more and more time and effort to reach the amount of isk we could make back in january. As far as i understand it, the omission of faction and officer spawns in the drone regions was supposed to be compensated for by making regular spawns more profitable than regular 0.0 rat spawns, so that when the odds of a faction sawn have been reached, and the regular 0.0 player has made a fortune from it, the drone region players aren't too far behind from ratting normal drone spawns. Correct me if i'm wrong - i'm just thinking logically here. Although i'd very much like the opportunity to see faction spawns in the drone regions, simply for the added excitement that comes with the possibility of encountering one. Same with hauler spawns, although i don't think these will sit well with the roleplay aspect. Either way, it's a game after all, and the number 1 priority is making the game fun for everyone. Back to what i was saying about alloy prices... Here's an example from my findings, showing the drop in "bounty" of an average bs, using market prices in empire for alloys: 1 MONTH AGO - 3,348,000 isk TODAY - 3,018,000 isk (both rounded off to 4 s.f.) That's a drop of 330,000 isk for 1 bs alone. You may not think that's much, but there are many other factors to consider. The "bounties" have been decreasing a long time before last month, and will continue to do so Drone rats are harder, not only to kill, but to tank than regular 0.0 rats Time is wasted flying to the wreck, picking up the alloys and dropping them off at the POS or outpost > from experience a balance has to be found between your ship's size, speed and cargo space in order to avoid switching ships to pick up alloys and therefore making your hunting inefficient The rate of return can take a while - you have to wait for the alloys to be jumped to empire, again wasting your ratting time significantly, whereas regular rat's bounties pay-off instantly upon ship destruction *Spawns bounce from asteroid belts on ocassion, or from my experience deliberately mwd away to about 140-180km away, making them obsolete When you put all these things together, you can see already that drone space doesn't really give us any advantage, but rather a few annoying bugs and a logistical headache. Now don't get me wrong, i'm enjoying it out here, but the main thing i want from CCP at this time is some evidence (aside from the bug fix to asteroid seeding in G5) that they are listening to our concerns and can give us some answers as to what is actually bugged and what things were intended that way. I think missing drone complexes should be implemented too, as they don't pose a roleplay inconsistency and would make life out here a lot more fun. Sorry for the monster post, i hope you're all still awake.
3rdD Dave Gallente Dark Entropy Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.03.17 17:21:00 - [77] Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. Sums it really doesn't it? Thanks for listening CCp.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.17 17:23:00 - [78] Originally by: CCP Oveur The new regions are as they are supposed to be. They were never supposed to be "tougher" themselves, they were supposed to be built up by players, which requires logistics which is tougher. If we go through it item for item: * No Hauler Spawns - Intentional * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') Bugreport it * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Should be fixed in 1.4 * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong * Broken rewards for belt rats Intentional * No static complexes Intentional * Lack of tritanium/pyerite Intentional * No faction spawns Intentional * No conquerable stations Intentional If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. Thanks for the long overdue response. Something I'd ask if you were sure about, Oveur, is the broken rewards for belt ratting. Do you intend for the zydrine and nocxium prices to crash? I think what you probably mean is no loot/bounty for them other than alloys and compounds - which is fine. I'm really pleased to here about the asteroids, I wasn't aware that roid spawns don't function "normally" on Sisi. And those other 5000 systems can go sing for it, we moved here because we wanted to move here. All I wanted was a response on the broken things, which has finally come. Galaxian Recruitment Info

CCP Oveur	Posted - 2007.03.17 17:55:00 - [79] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: CCP Oveur The new regions are as they are supposed to be. They were never supposed to be "tougher" themselves, they were supposed to be built up by players, which requires logistics which is tougher. If we go through it item for item: * No Hauler Spawns - Intentional * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') Bugreport it * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Should be fixed in 1.4 * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong * Broken rewards for belt rats Intentional * No static complexes Intentional * Lack of tritanium/pyerite Intentional * No faction spawns Intentional * No conquerable stations Intentional If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. Thanks for the long overdue response. Something I'd ask if you were sure about, Oveur, is the broken rewards for belt ratting. Do you intend for the zydrine and nocxium prices to crash? I think what you probably mean is no loot/bounty for them other than alloys and compounds - which is fine. I'm really pleased to here about the asteroids, I wasn't aware that roid spawns don't function "normally" on Sisi. And those other 5000 systems can go sing for it, we moved here because we wanted to move here. All I wanted was a response on the broken things, which has finally come. Oh, now I understand better the loot, you mean the composition is to zyd/nocx heavy? I hadn't thought about it like that, I was referring to rogue drones not having loot, which is one of their main traits (CONCORD doesn't give a flying intercourse about rogue drones). The composition is however intentional, you don't have all but we can datamine this specifically. There are other sources than the new regions for the compounds so I wouldn't single that out as the only reason for price fluctuations. Senior Producer EVE Online

Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.17 18:12:00 - [80] Originally by: CCP Oveur Oh, now I understand better the loot, you mean the composition is to zyd/nocx heavy? I hadn't thought about it like that, I was referring to rogue drones not having loot, which is one of their main traits (CONCORD doesn't give a flying intercourse about rogue drones). The composition is however intentional, you don't have all but we can datamine this specifically. There are other sources than the new regions for the compounds so I wouldn't single that out as the only reason for price fluctuations. Again, thanks for replying Oveur, you may not realise it, but by simply replying to me you've probably shown a bit of a light at the end of the tunnel for all the frustrated new regions alliances. Yeah, it's what I meant. I see what you mean about the zyd/nocx. Of course we shouldn't have perfect building requirements in minerals dropping. However, are you intending doing anything about zyd/nocx prices if they continue to drop? Zyd has gone to about 50% of what it was when the new regions come out. Nocx stood a little better, but the price has been crashing. Zydrine 180 day average Nocxium 180 day average Those are the two minerals that rogue drones are "heavy" on, and it's pretty clear the price is plumetting. Galaxian Recruitment Info

CCP Oveur	Posted - 2007.03.17 18:17:00 - [81] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: CCP Oveur Oh, now I understand better the loot, you mean the composition is to zyd/nocx heavy? I hadn't thought about it like that, I was referring to rogue drones not having loot, which is one of their main traits (CONCORD doesn't give a flying intercourse about rogue drones). The composition is however intentional, you don't have all but we can datamine this specifically. There are other sources than the new regions for the compounds so I wouldn't single that out as the only reason for price fluctuations. Again, thanks for replying Oveur, you may not realise it, but by simply replying to me you've probably shown a bit of a light at the end of the tunnel for all the frustrated new regions alliances. Yeah, it's what I meant. I see what you mean about the zyd/nocx. Of course we shouldn't have perfect building requirements in minerals dropping. However, are you intending doing anything about zyd/nocx prices if they continue to drop? Zyd has gone to about 50% of what it was when the new regions come out. Nocx stood a little better, but the price has been crashing. Zydrine 180 day average Nocxium 180 day average Those are the two minerals that rogue drones are "heavy" on, and it's pretty clear the price is plumetting. Would we do anything about the market price if it drops? The short answer is no, we don't want to mess with the economy in a direct manner. However, we have through time changed composition and distribution of minerals to addres certain long-term situations. However, as long as for example Zyd stays around 1024, it's base price, we have no worries. Senior Producer EVE Online


BH Runner ISD BH Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.03.17 18:19:00 - [82] Both are still above their initial NPC release price, given the difficulty building and maintainign stations in the new NPC free regions, this seems currently inline with the expansion progress. [Bug Report Here] - [Contact Us]

Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.17 18:24:00 - [83] Originally by: CCP Oveur Would we do anything about the market price if it drops? The short answer is no, we don't want to mess with the economy in a direct manner. However, we have through time changed composition and distribution of minerals to addres certain long-term situations. However, as long as for example Zyd stays around 1024, it's base price, we have no worries. Clearly you're not going to put buy orders out for it, messing with the economy that way isn't wise, and obviously you know it. However, there's three undesirable effects. First of all ratting in the new regions becomes far less profitable than you had projected. Secondly mining anything but Arkanor would be much less profitable, affecting the balance between different regions. And thirdly, you cause inflation. I don't think you guys do many things by accident, and you're either very good at economy projections, or you're very lucky. However if the Zydrine stops being sold to players, and instead is sold to NPC corps, then that's a huge amount of cash that will enter the game that you perhaps did not intend. I'm aware that new missions you're trying to stay away from cash entering the game, when Zydrine bottoms out at 1024 then it'll switch straight from no money entering the game (and small amounts leaving in sales tax) to large amounts entering the game (and no sales tax). So I'm thinking you meant to say "As long as Zydrine stays above it's base price of 1024"... Galaxian Recruitment Info
Zigg Omelo eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.17 18:27:00 - [84] I agree with stamm here I love the changes that affects thenew regions, and well i hope that youi have managed to fix all the belts that has been bug reported in all the new region and not just the 5k region... In some systems we are looking at 40 - 50% empty warpins in asteroid belts... Also i hope that the respawn and growth rate also have been or can be fixed when reported. i dont see any reason for that to bee any different than in any other region in eve prior to the new drone regions And about the minerals, with the current distribution of alloys in drones is a clear factor to the crashing zyd and nox prices.. ppl chain battle ships just like in other regions and npc's, but here it has an severe effect on the entire economy. I hope the distribution of alloys dropped by rogue bs can be looked at and tweaks made. right now it seems the balance is a bit off when you lokk at it longterm. also is htere any plans to make the drone bs models any different, the old domi hull is well not very original and it seems youh ave been lazy with the art dpartment here... Stupid dont have any friends
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.17 18:28:00 - [85] Originally by: Stamm And thirdly, you cause inflation. I don't think you guys do many things by accident, and you're either very good at economy projections, or you're very lucky. However if the Zydrine stops being sold to players, and instead is sold to NPC corps, then that's a huge amount of cash that will enter the game that you perhaps did not intend. I'm aware that new missions you're trying to stay away from cash entering the game, when Zydrine bottoms out at 1024 then it'll switch straight from no money entering the game (and small amounts leaving in sales tax) to large amounts entering the game (and no sales tax). NPC buy orders were taken out two years ago. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.17 18:31:00 - [86] Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Stamm And thirdly, you cause inflation. I don't think you guys do many things by accident, and you're either very good at economy projections, or you're very lucky. However if the Zydrine stops being sold to players, and instead is sold to NPC corps, then that's a huge amount of cash that will enter the game that you perhaps did not intend. I'm aware that new missions you're trying to stay away from cash entering the game, when Zydrine bottoms out at 1024 then it'll switch straight from no money entering the game (and small amounts leaving in sales tax) to large amounts entering the game (and no sales tax). NPC buy orders were taken out two years ago. Well, here's me feeling stupid. I just assumed they were still there. Galaxian Recruitment Info

CCP Oveur	Posted - 2007.03.17 18:31:00 - [87] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: CCP Oveur Would we do anything about the market price if it drops? The short answer is no, we don't want to mess with the economy in a direct manner. However, we have through time changed composition and distribution of minerals to addres certain long-term situations. However, as long as for example Zyd stays around 1024, it's base price, we have no worries. Clearly you're not going to put buy orders out for it, messing with the economy that way isn't wise, and obviously you know it. However, there's three undesirable effects. First of all ratting in the new regions becomes far less profitable than you had projected. Secondly mining anything but Arkanor would be much less profitable, affecting the balance between different regions. And thirdly, you cause inflation. I don't think you guys do many things by accident, and you're either very good at economy projections, or you're very lucky. However if the Zydrine stops being sold to players, and instead is sold to NPC corps, then that's a huge amount of cash that will enter the game that you perhaps did not intend. I'm aware that new missions you're trying to stay away from cash entering the game, when Zydrine bottoms out at 1024 then it'll switch straight from no money entering the game (and small amounts leaving in sales tax) to large amounts entering the game (and no sales tax). So I'm thinking you meant to say "As long as Zydrine stays above it's base price of 1024"... It's around 1024, base price is actually double it's value and what NPCs use to calculate it's prices from (our "fake" mineral price). NPCs have long since stopped buying minerals. I do however understand your worries about it directly affecting the outcome of your ratting, but so does all loot get effected by a new infusion of said loot type. However, regular rats (as you pointed out) don't have ISK directly which is kind of more stable but, ISK is also a target for inflation. For short, it's the dynamic economy at work and we think it needs to go to far more extremes before addressing it. Regarding the new regions themselves, we'd rather keep on adding content in general so that you have more choice, making you less dependant on that source of income. The fixed exploration for one, new explorations sites secondly and you should also check out salvaging, the rogue drones do have their own unique composition. Perhaps we'll do special dron set rigs? Well, don't know but it's an example of an idea about new stuff rather than "make it all the same". Senior Producer EVE Online

Zigg Omelo eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.17 18:42:00 - [88] again oveur, while i agree that we have to adapt to the waves int he economy, i hope that drop rates and composition can be adjusted a bit, even to require more m3 than the max 200 that is now but also its also nice once in a while to have stuff fixed before introducing new content.. just a sigh from me... Stupid dont have any friends
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 18:52:00 - [89] Originally by: Stamm The regions are supposed to be difficult, but rewarding. They are difficult, and not rewarding because things are broken. This is the problem when i was there. They are difficult and require alot of teamwork, way more than eny other region i've lived in. Fountain, Deklien, Curse, Tenerifis... The reward is not quite on par with the difficulty... -----
Forum Alt Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.03.17 21:05:00 - [90] I agree with Oveur 110% Stop whining about the price of zyd. Buy it, sell it, do both, or do neither. If the market "crashes" (gets the "stupidest concept in an MMORPG award") then use two brain cells and take advantage of the situation. For crying out loud it's not rocket science.
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 21:40:00 - [91] Edited by: Sevarus James on 17/03/2007 21:38:25 After having lived in Great Wildlands for a period of time, and then moving into the drone regions when we joined our current alliance, I have to agree with a lot of the points Stamm made, as well as agreeing with Oveur on his counterpoints (most). The bugged npc's have been reported, multiple times, and are annoying. The word that the low end roids are getting fixed is long overdue, but at least they are getting fixed. As an 0.0 industrial/combat corp we had to make serious changes to how we operate as a corp, and while they worked for us (good co-ordination and excellent skills by my directors), a lot of corporations just wouldn't be able to make the transition. It is harder out here than in the regular 0.0 zones for a lot of reasons that have already been gone over here. The discussion about bounty vs. no bounty is one that is somewhat worriesome though. The drones "bounty" is completely tied to the market, while the other regions are not. An angel saint is worth X baseline no matter how much the module drops change. The drone worth fluctuates, and with the mineral market indexes crashing definitely reduces the worth of those rats. Our corporation lives by the motto "adapt and overcome", but sometimes the last part of that sentence is completely dependent on the developers making sure that its actually possible. I'm glad that Oveur has responded with the things that ARE fubar currently. As long as the roids get fixed, then hardship or not, this region becomes more viable again for corporations that build without the current 'hoops' that we are forced to jump through. And just a quick edit for the 'shutup and flame' crowd. Live out here for awhile. Stamm wasn't "whining", he was asking valid questions, to which Oveur replied with answers. Answers are ALL we want so that we can plan/plot and live in our home of choice. Ubuntu 3d-Linux Desktop+EVE
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.03.17 21:53:00 - [92] My only real question about the new regions is the ore capacity of the asteroids...is it really intended to be so low that its nearly worthless to mine? And if it was intended, was it also intended that Trit (the most cumbersome mineral in the needed quantities) be so rare? _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Star Commander Got Corp?
FactorzGT Vendetta Underground	Posted - 2007.03.17 21:55:00 - [93] Originally by: Ozzie Asrail The reward is not quite on par with the difficulty... agree wholeheartedly
FactorzGT Vendetta Underground	Posted - 2007.03.17 22:09:00 - [94] Originally by: CCP Oveur * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong * Lack of tritanium/pyerite Intentional 1) Broken Asteroids This is a vague title for an issue ... there are several ways "broken" can be defined. if i understand the reply that the roids "re-seeding" issue has been fixed, then i think you mean that the ore content per roid is the same. The aspect that was "fixed" is the repsawn rate of these roids ??? 2) Lack of tritanium/pyerite These low ends being the backbone of all industry combined with low end asteroids with very small ore content ... this is killing us. I really think that it would not be too much to ask to have Veldspar and Scordite with huge ore content ... it is of no use to the market in empire from out here. But it is of the utmost importance to the backbone we so desperately need.
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.17 22:28:00 - [95] Edited by: Wylker on 17/03/2007 22:30:35 Dear Thoric and Stamm: I was going to reply to your replies, but then I read the thread and realized that plenty of people (including Oveur) already pwnt your ignorance/general stupidity right in the face. enjoy! whaaa whaaa whaaa i want everything to come super easy to me because im in the new regions... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lol@u Originally by: "CCP Oveur" * No Hauler Spawns - Intentional * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') Bugreport it * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Should be fixed in 1.4 * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong * Broken rewards for belt rats Intentional * No static complexes Intentional * Lack of tritanium/pyerite Intentional * No faction spawns Intentional * No conquerable stations Intentional If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. *If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.* more lawlerskates. ok im done :) -Wylker
Qolde Minmatar Rising Knights SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 22:44:00 - [96] I've seen this thread a lot of times, but this time i didnt read it all. All of the people I know who visit the new regions think it is heaven and have no problem hauling all those mins to empire in a t1 hauler. Also, maybe it isn't meant for you to have everything you need in one region, just like every other region in the game, you will need to go to emprie or trade with your friendly neighbors in regions that have what you want because I'm 100% sure you have some mineral that they can use. In the south they usually need nocx and zyd. In the north they usually need mega and mexallon.
Jotan Veer Wings of Turul Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 22:58:00 - [97] Edited by: Jotan Veer on 17/03/2007 22:55:42 Don't worry guys, once you put down enough outposts and a big faction takes away your space it will get improvements. Just like there is now gallente ice in Paragon Soul (Amarr ice region by default) and the docking bounce is fixed in GQ2S-8.
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.18 00:36:00 - [98] Originally by: CCP Oveur * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong Does now mean now? Like if we check our belts right now, the roids should be seeded properly? People in alliance are hoping for tuesday but it looks to me like you think there is not a problem currently to be fixed? Region in question is H3J8-U. Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. What I don't like is your tone. When we report bugs to you in your game, I expect a thank you, not this smart alek remark. -Bart
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.18 00:53:00 - [99] Well thanks for the replies Oveur, let me give you some calculations since I know you guys love those. When I first set foot in the new regions I made a spreadsheet to calculate profit from alloys. It takes about 23 drone BS to fill a giant secure can with alloys. 3 giant secure cans amount to: 1361 Glossy 3046 Lustering 3346 Motley 679 Opulent 2072 Plush That's 138 Drone BS worth of alloys and amounted to about 250 mil profit before the mineral price crash. Which made each Drone BS worth, on average, just under 2 mil isk. Using current market prices for minerals that same stack of alloys amounts to 144 mil isk. Which makes a Drone BS worth, on average, about 1 mil isk. Is this a reasonable figure considering those alloys need to be refined, transported to empire then sold before you see a single isk of profit? Keep in mind this requires at least 2 characters, one ratting and one hauling. A single triple BS spawn will fill a Raven's cargohold. So I'm left with just one honest question regarding the belt rats, is this the ratio of work to reward you intended?
Chib Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.18 02:18:00 - [100] low end minerals have increased significantly in price and since ships use considerably more trit than nox/zyd and factor in cost of compression and transportation and for most refine tax then it makes production out there completely unfeasable especially cap contruction ---------------------------------------------
Kaylana Syi The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.18 02:51:00 - [101] Astroids need to be fixed. Belt rats that go fast is something many 0.0 spawns share. Sansha's traveling away from a belt at 1.2k ms is rare but it happens. Zydrine used to be 1000 isk per unit in 2003. Doesn't matter if it goes back down some. Team Minmatar
Darpz Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.18 03:19:00 - [102] all other regions in eve have ways to be self sufficent we don't. we do still need we need a more balanced mineral availablity, and some more unique flare to the new regions what I would do if I was ovuer -Change Drone Alloy Composition form drops to be aproximately more inline with ship production. if unwilling to do this maybe RP it that the Drones harvest all the lowends for production of more drones, and allow us to find Drone exploration sites that have a Large amount of the lowends that the drones are harvesting. -Give us some unique rewards. from exploration (faction Drones, Faction Drone ships (wtb Infested Domi/Vexor) -Release the Capital Miner that the carebears have all been asking for as a giant Veldspar/Scordite devour yes Killing drones is aproxamately inline with rating. but there are alot more logistics involved in relising that profit. all other regions have multiple ways to profit from the space we don't we have rating thats it, and maybe mining if that is truley fixed to be equal to other regions. Other regions have Complexes that give unique racial rewards, we do not. other regions have officer spawns that give unquie ratial rewards we do not. I think its time for the devs to join an allinace in the new regions and truely live out there and compare it to regions like Delve and Fountain (they should be familiar with those) and deicide for themselfs if they truley are balanced or even competitve with the rest of 0.0 you say you don't mind zyd plumiting in price since your npc index puts it at 1024 and it was to high before, and yet due to this surplus of highends in the new regions we export most of our highends since logistically it takes ALOT of teamwork to produce out here using alot of mechanics in the game that aren't at all indended (mineral compresion) if it wasn't for mineral compresion production in the new regions in its current form would be impossible, and even with it its alot more dificult than it should be.
Vactet Immortalis Silens Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.18 05:28:00 - [103] Good points all around...my turn. "PROFIT" is the end line. Great, we can all agree. This game is all about making isk and using said isk to have fun (Building a cap ship, buying a hulk, etc). There..are...many paths to profit. 1)The low sec pirate. His path to profit is ganking folks and selling their modules. Its fun for them so they do it. 2)The high sec miner. They sit in a belt and..mine. Fun for them, not for others, but its their calling it seems. 3)0.0 ratter. They love to rat and dont mind the grind to get rich ratting. 4)0.0 Production. HARDEST OF ALL AND YOU JUST FRACKING GIMPED IT IN THE NEW REGIONS! Want to understand why? To rat..you need a ship capable and modules and skills. To..produce. You need the arrays or a station. You need the bpo's and/or bpc's. You need minerals. You need someone with the skills to do it efficently (PE LVL5). You need a hauler to move minerals from spot X to the array. You then need a way to deliver the built item (Ammo/Modules arent a big issue, but ships can be) (So for battleships, you need someone who can fly them to the station if thats your market hub). Theres ALOT of things in the production chain. And by totally killing our ability to get low ends..you break the chain. Here..ill give you another concept. Lets say...you want to build ship XYZ. It requires...4,000,000M of Trit, 2,000,000M of Pye, 4000zyd, 2000mega. Ok...mega zyd..no problem. Go rat (or in our case. the ratters pay their fee's with mega/zyd.). Now..for trit. Mining is bunked. Figure you get...7mill trit/2mill pye per belt. Sure...this solves that. Thats nice right? What happens when you get heavy production...say...5 BS orders in a day? You cant mine all that easily with the way the roids are right now. So..mineral compression. You LOOSE some minerals, incuring a small dent to your profit. So..you increase your price to compensate. Prices go up. Economics over. Fix it all, reconsider the "Intentional (Screwups)". Cause breaking one part is gonna break it all. And in a response to...Darpz...i see you werent the only one thinking that if some devs were living in the new regions...for a month or more...that then they would see. But no, they are comfortable in..(Oh..cant say that anymore..hmm). I still personally think that the devs should have a meeting with the ALLIANCE leaders from the new regions, a round table so to speak. Listen to them, they generally know what they are talking about (They usually dont get to that position otherwise). Sometimes the world needs to be kicked in the face to stop drooling on itself like an ignorant child. ::Public Relations Director for Immortalis Silens. ::Im paid to talk, not to be civil.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.18 07:23:00 - [104] Finally some more talk about this; No matter what arguments there r on the table there is a few fact: mining should be given everywhere - in kali space it is not - u cant mine since every roid pops in 1 hulk cycle exploration is buged price of minerlas directlly effect awards on our ratz - wich is not like this for any other space - i am wondering will devs adjust our drops to make them valuable enought or will they lower drop when mins will go back up (i already noticed diference in alloys drop) __________________ Lack of tritanium - erm that is consequence of broken roids - so how can that be intentunally? Finally after 4 month of bug reporting and petitoning; few times being threthend by being baned - becouse i am reporting a bug devs anounced that main things will be fixed Asteroid belits and exploration; i loged into singulerity where 1.4 should have been active and i noticed no changes; 100K of veldspar in rock and 300-500 crokite in roid. So i dont c this being fixed as it is like it was!!!! Secondlly why adresing onlly G5KW - it might be true that DMC was really active on this bug reporting thingys; but all space released with Kali is like that!! About hawlers and factions spawns w cant argue with CCP - if they decided to do it without it and without complexes i guess we cant do nothing; they could decide other way thow; but roids and explorations there is no decisin it is broken from first time of space being open and acording to singulerity it will stay broken! (might be that they will grow after we pop roids and that they will actually grow) Anyhow it is unresponcible to leave all this ppl in broken space for 4 month; taking care of cosmetic stuff insted of important bugs is not sutable in mine opinion. What bothers me even more is that there is nothing said about most anying bug i ever say and experianced; i have specific setup on mine abadon and i am used to it so i exectlly know how it performs; one day i go to belt and ship just didnt work; i petition it and GM tould me to go and repack all mine mods. After i did that ship was as it should be. So whenever i go in space for pvp or rating i should go and repack mine mods to be 100% certain it will work? After 4 month in new region i have to admit i am a bit tired! All this bugs around me made my game redicilus insted of having fun. And as i said b4; if this bugs wont be repaired then unancor all my stuf, and teleprt DMC from where we cam from; Giving all LOVE to certian ppl in game with all BPOs and all god stuff in region and to some nothing is just unacceptable anymore. Mining and exploratin with actuall rewards should be given no mater your intentions!!! Looking forward on 1.4 - hopefully i wont need to feel another bug report and petiton!
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.18 07:38:00 - [105] 5 min to mine out a 30km big veld roid in a covetor ( one covetor ) the values int he roids are broken in the drone spaces. As for the npc trailer spawns not being there as intended, they are in the database and not spawning so there seems to be a conflict of stories here. 5000 other systems to go live in? I can garantee that if "your" favorite alliance lived in the new regions there would be npc trailer spawns, sttatic plexes, faction drones, and rewards not linked to the market price on zyd, and working roid spawns. I have 4 accounts and 2 of them are useless in the new regions with roids being broken making industry out there broken. that is 30 dollars usd per month being wasted by me for toons i cannot use there, each patch to fix things is getting farther and farther apart, giving less and less hope for a workable situation. Current market prices making the bs spawns worth about 1 mil makes it 3 times harder than chaining a 3 mil bs spawn in old 0.0. drones spawning inside roids and flying off at 12kms in and out for hours on end keeps that belt free from any other spawn or until downtime making that belt useless to try to rat in. no low ends from trailer spawns or low end roids with the correct number of units in each one is the biggest handicap in the area. wtf move out here? seriously get this sorted !!
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.03.18 08:28:00 - [106] Originally by: CCP Oveur Originally by: Stamm Originally by: CCP Oveur Oh, now I understand better the loot, you mean the composition is to zyd/nocx heavy? I hadn't thought about it like that, I was referring to rogue drones not having loot, which is one of their main traits (CONCORD doesn't give a flying intercourse about rogue drones). The composition is however intentional, you don't have all but we can datamine this specifically. There are other sources than the new regions for the compounds so I wouldn't single that out as the only reason for price fluctuations. Again, thanks for replying Oveur, you may not realise it, but by simply replying to me you've probably shown a bit of a light at the end of the tunnel for all the frustrated new regions alliances. Yeah, it's what I meant. I see what you mean about the zyd/nocx. Of course we shouldn't have perfect building requirements in minerals dropping. However, are you intending doing anything about zyd/nocx prices if they continue to drop? Zyd has gone to about 50% of what it was when the new regions come out. Nocx stood a little better, but the price has been crashing. Zydrine 180 day average Nocxium 180 day average Those are the two minerals that rogue drones are "heavy" on, and it's pretty clear the price is plumetting. Would we do anything about the market price if it drops? The short answer is no, we don't want to mess with the economy in a direct manner. However, we have through time changed composition and distribution of minerals to addres certain long-term situations. However, as long as for example Zyd stays around 1024, it's base price, we have no worries. With all due respect Oveur, you mess with the economy every time you patch something in the game. When you make large changes like tweaking asteroid spawns, opening new regions, tweak invention, or changing how rats pay their poachers, you're directly influencing the economy. Since the release of Kali the Zydrine:Pyerite price ratio has dropped over 75%(that is, 1 unit of Zyd buys only 1/4 the number of units of Pyerite it previously bought), and all of this directly relates to changes you made in that patch. Please quit saying you don't want to mess with the economy, you do it every day. It has turned in to a thin excuse. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
Vactet Immortalis Silens Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.18 08:52:00 - [107] Glad to see you on this thread now Cruel Fox and the rest of yall too. I am glad at what I am seeing... What am I seeing you ask? People, players, standing up and telling the dev's NO. Dev's like to get this idea that they are all powerful and they often get reputations as demi-god type figures in games. Hey..guess what...you arent. You are a person, plain and simple so shrink the ego a bit. We..are not stupid.. We..are not blind.. We..are not going to accept lack of support.. We..PAY YOUR SALARIES.. Oh god, you ban one or two, ok little loss. Keep doing it and suddenly you are just going to have you and your friends playing. What will it be called then? (I dont think I even have to say it, everyone is thinking it) Cause it wont be EVE anymore. Its time for the community to take back their rights. What rights? The rights our subscriptions entitle us to. Heres something i found entertaining.. "As for the npc trailer spawns not being there as intended, they are in the database and not spawning so there seems to be a conflict of stories here." Know what that makes me think? "Uh oh we forgot and are trying to cover it up so it seems that we havent been putting fluff into the game instead of actual stuff" How..about this...a drastic idea.. FULL STOP OF CURRENT DEVELOPMENT OF ANY FURTHER EXPANSIONS/ADDONS/NEW FEATURES! Fix the current problems..first. You...sorta fixed the lag, i will give credit there. (I dont think jita lag will ever be solved, but oh well) All devs, gm's, etc should be brought into working on the current bug reports. Got so many? Well cause there are alot of bugs! Get them fixed. I dont know about anyone else but as MUCH as I am looking forward to seeing what is to come from Sovereignty 2.0, i care more about getting the current problems fixed. Also another thing of note...Ov was posting alot until suddenly the sights of the unhappy customers were brought onto him. Not like conflict or something? Wouldnt be any if you were fixing problems not trying to convince us that there arent any. Sometimes the world needs to be kicked in the face to stop drooling on itself like an ignorant child. ::Public Relations Director for Immortalis Silens. ::Im paid to talk, not to be civil.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.18 09:09:00 - [108] Originally by: CCP Oveur * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong Oveur, please a slight explanation of this one. 1. What is reseeding exactly? Does that mean that if we mine a roid and it pops, it will be back a few days later with a normal starting size, and it will in fact 'grow' just as fast as in other regions? 2. Will you fix all drone regions and not just the one mentioned? -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft.
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.18 09:31:00 - [109] Originally by: Vactet Glad to see you on this thread now Cruel Fox and the rest of yall too. I am glad at what I am seeing... What am I seeing you ask? People, players, standing up and telling the dev's NO. Dev's like to get this idea that they are all powerful and they often get reputations as demi-god type figures in games. Hey..guess what...you arent. You are a person, plain and simple so shrink the ego a bit. We..are not stupid.. We..are not blind.. We..are not going to accept lack of support.. We..PAY YOUR SALARIES.. Oh god, you ban one or two, ok little loss. Keep doing it and suddenly you are just going to have you and your friends playing. What will it be called then? (I dont think I even have to say it, everyone is thinking it) Cause it wont be EVE anymore. Its time for the community to take back their rights. What rights? The rights our subscriptions entitle us to. Heres something i found entertaining.. "As for the npc trailer spawns not being there as intended, they are in the database and not spawning so there seems to be a conflict of stories here." Know what that makes me think? "Uh oh we forgot and are trying to cover it up so it seems that we havent been putting fluff into the game instead of actual stuff" How..about this...a drastic idea.. FULL STOP OF CURRENT DEVELOPMENT OF ANY FURTHER EXPANSIONS/ADDONS/NEW FEATURES! Fix the current problems..first. You...sorta fixed the lag, i will give credit there. (I dont think jita lag will ever be solved, but oh well) All devs, gm's, etc should be brought into working on the current bug reports. Got so many? Well cause there are alot of bugs! Get them fixed. I dont know about anyone else but as MUCH as I am looking forward to seeing what is to come from Sovereignty 2.0, i care more about getting the current problems fixed. Also another thing of note...Ov was posting alot until suddenly the sights of the unhappy customers were brought onto him. Not like conflict or something? Wouldnt be any if you were fixing problems not trying to convince us that there arent any. Um... 1)What game have you been playing? 2)Threats like this don't work or help. 3)Decaffeinated.
Okkie2	Posted - 2007.03.18 09:41:00 - [110] Edited by: Okkie2 on 18/03/2007 09:40:24 Originally by: Vactet Also another thing of note...Ov was posting alot until suddenly the sights of the unhappy customers were brought onto him. Not like conflict or something? Wouldnt be any if you were fixing problems not trying to convince us that there arent any. The DEVs tend to stop posting once people start flaming and the posts start getting less and less constructive (e.g. your own post) ...... btw this happens especially when people start whining about the issue with certain alliances getting more attention as others
MailFan Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.18 09:52:00 - [111] Originally by: Xelios Well thanks for the replies Oveur, let me give you some calculations since I know you guys love those. When I first set foot in the new regions I made a spreadsheet to calculate profit from alloys. It takes about 23 drone BS to fill a giant secure can with alloys. 3 giant secure cans amount to: 1361 Glossy 3046 Lustering 3346 Motley 679 Opulent 2072 Plush That's 138 Drone BS worth of alloys and amounted to about 250 mil profit before the mineral price crash. Which made each Drone BS worth, on average, just under 2 mil isk. Using current market prices for minerals that same stack of alloys amounts to 144 mil isk. Which makes a Drone BS worth, on average, about 1 mil isk. Is this a reasonable figure considering those alloys need to be refined, transported to empire then sold before you see a single isk of profit? Keep in mind this requires at least 2 characters, one ratting and one hauling. A single triple BS spawn will fill a Raven's cargohold. So I'm left with just one honest question regarding the belt rats, is this the ratio of work to reward you intended? QFT We have to work harder for less profit than any other 0.0 region. That may have been intentional, but maybe you could have made that clear before we spent all those hours on setting up our new home. Less profit = less ships = less defense = lesser time for the other alliances to come and take over our space. If they actually want our space, which if they don't should say enough -- I'm in this mood because of scorn. I'm in a mood for total war
Fletcher Vardy	Posted - 2007.03.18 10:25:00 - [112] OK i have been in the new regieon since the patch and live in the so called G5 regieon .Roids here are small !!!!they respawn fine -twice a week (compared to Deklien) and have a size in porportion with other regieon in 0.0`s .BUT the roid size is 1/10 that of other areas (fade dek branch)so a normal crokite roid mite be between 3000-8000 units everywhere else ,but in the newly opened space from revalations all roids (full grown)are 1/10 that ,from 300-800 .Its like ccp forgot a 0 .So on respawn day they pop out at like 100-120 (iam talking about Crokite ,bistot high end ore).I have played eve for 3 yrs almost and skilled to one of the main professions in game .To be a miner -how can i mine when i cant even activate my lasers for ONE CYCLE!!!!!!!!!!!!WTF.This has got to be a mistake RIGHT? u make skills and implants to advance ppls ore consumption ,give them hulks with all these nice crystals ,and so on .But HELLO ! i suck a hole roid in one cycle of my lasers.I would like to think that ratting wasnt the only way ccp expected the new regieon pilgrams to make it out here ,I mean damm the hole economic value of game was that all ore (thusly making mods ships and ammo)was labored by capsuleers.come on ccp take a hulk and try to mine in new regieon u will see what i mean .
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.18 10:30:00 - [113] Originally by: Fletcher Vardy OK i have been in the new regieon since the patch and live in the so called G5 regieon .Roids here are small !!!!they respawn fine -twice a week (compared to Deklien) and have a size in porportion with other regieon in 0.0`s .BUT the roid size is 1/10 that of other areas (fade dek branch)so a normal crokite roid mite be between 3000-8000 units everywhere else ,but in the newly opened space from revalations all roids (full grown)are 1/10 that ,from 300-800 .Its like ccp forgot a 0 .So on respawn day they pop out at like 100-120 (iam talking about Crokite ,bistot high end ore).I have played eve for 3 yrs almost and skilled to one of the main professions in game .To be a miner -how can i mine when i cant even activate my lasers for ONE CYCLE!!!!!!!!!!!!WTF.This has got to be a mistake RIGHT? u make skills and implants to advance ppls ore consumption ,give them hulks with all these nice crystals ,and so on .But HELLO ! i suck a hole roid in one cycle of my lasers.I would like to think that ratting wasnt the only way ccp expected the new regieon pilgrams to make it out here ,I mean damm the hole economic value of game was that all ore (thusly making mods ships and ammo)was labored by capsuleers.come on ccp take a hulk and try to mine in new regieon u will see what i mean . It's unclear what Oveur is meaning about the asteroids, but realistically he can only mean that they are being "fixed" as in once the patch goes in on Tuesday, when a rock is popped it'll respawn with a decent amount, and the existing roids will grow over time. Hopefully that is what he means, and I can get in my Tormentor, and get rich mining Veld. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Armois Delgato FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.18 10:36:00 - [114] I must say, in hindsite, INVICTUS- thank you for leveraging our station. Fountain has been infinitely more profitable for me than LQ ever could have been. In real points: Yeah... they really should fix the NPCs and the roids out in new regions land. Though, to be honest, static plexes shouldn't exist anywhere, it should all be exploration plexes from here on out.
Hardac	Posted - 2007.03.18 11:01:00 - [115] Originally by: Cloora ...and the cute cat pics like the one licking himself and saying "I has a FLAVOR!" LOL! it's off topic but I'd just like to add that that nearly had me taking a trip to the hospital after I just about choked to death on some raisin bran
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.03.18 11:18:00 - [116] so... what about a drone "faction" and what faction items should they drop? ^^ (oooh i wanna fly a drone ship - requires hacking V and spaceship command V )
Eliax Gallente Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.18 12:22:00 - [117] Hi Oveur. Source: Patch notes (misc): An asteroid seeding issue in the G5KW region has been addressed. - Important, its about the Kali regions, G5KW is only one region. What does seeding actually mean? 1)You mean they grow to a bigger size after respawn? 2)Or do you mean you increased the rate of growing speed after respawns. Im hoping its number 1) cuz with 2) we will still have a problem. Doesn't matter how fast the growing speed rate is if the mass doesn't get larger then 1/10 th of what they actually should be. If its number 1) i hope its finnally fixed, if its number 2) we will see the roids a little bigger after respawn but still not the size they should be. Think im talking crap? Watch my words, i might actually be right, and i so hope im NOT. We, and also you cannot see on the testserver if its fixed, i mean, how do you guys know if it will be fixed when they can't test it? - Ok, lets just cross fingers and hope for the best. CCP, listen to these people, fix the bugs first. Invest more in bugfixing, it will make customers happy, and in the end programmers will be having less issues making expansions. Progamming on a buggy platform is just a disaster waiting to happen... Next, i would like to support Fletcher and Cruel Fox replies, the guys do have a lot to say in DMC alliance who currently own G5KW region. There not talking crap, they live there since kali opened and know a lot of facts better then any programmer, dev can. Yes, they are bug reporting too. Wich brings me to this final thingy: Originally by: "Oveur" -If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. Sorry, but i don't like the tone of that. You should know, its not that simple to just "go for" other low sec regions. Its CCP job to make sure everything is as fair for anyone as possible. Everyone should have the same chances... And we are currently living in the most crappy solar systems of eve. Again, crossing my fingers for the fix.
Vladimir Ramanov Amarr Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2007.03.18 13:06:00 - [118] Originally by: CCP Oveur Originally by: Stamm The new regions are BROKEN. If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. If we don't like it there are also dozens of other MMO's on the market, please bear that in mind before posting such childish remarks.
Xaroth Brook Minmatar Doomcraft	Posted - 2007.03.18 13:18:00 - [119] Originally by: Vladimir Ramanov Originally by: CCP Oveur Originally by: Stamm The new regions are BROKEN. If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. If we don't like it there are also dozens of other MMO's on the market, please bear that in mind before posting such childish remarks. tbfh I find the constant *****ing from the players who claim to be the majority of EVE, far more childish. so there are a few bugs, they are fixing it.. and the drones aren't a faction, so there's no faction spawns... nor hauler spawns.. live with it? it's not like they start handing out jammers to every drone and having them shoot on pods.. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Xaroth Brook Brainiac of Doomcraft
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.03.18 14:15:00 - [120] Am I to take it from this that the new regions are working as intended. That intention being to drive miners all over the cluster to ratting for bounties as mining has become utterly pointless by comparison unless you can mine 23/7. The zydrine base price may be 1024 but having it there creates a huge difference between isk/hour from a Drake and isk/hour in a Hulk... unless of course your in an alliance with so many high quality systems you can mine Arkonor all day.
Redback911	Posted - 2007.03.18 14:37:00 - [121] Check new patch notes. Looks like drone asteroids and drone exploration getting some loving.
Ralon Aster	Posted - 2007.03.18 14:57:00 - [122] Originally by: Venix (..) but if you have 0 refining skills and lose 1 of 3 hauls to empire you are barley making 100mil off of that. Well, as EVE is a multiplayer-game, maybe it was designed as a team-effort. Get somebody with refining skills (or create a refining alt ffs) and stop complaining. Nobody forces you to go and I guess you weren't born there. Dificulties are there to be dealt with and to overcome them, not to be whined about to get them 'fixed'.
Snake Doctor Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.18 16:00:00 - [123] Originally by: Vactet Dev flames of some sort. I dunno, it's too long to list. Listen man-- You're getting this worked up over a game? There are like 30 more regions. Why don't you move to one of them and stop complaining about it? How about taking a break from Eve... It's all me me me with some players--- while that's all fine and good for you, this is mmo. If they go ahead and make every change suggested because some player throws a fit, the game will suck for the rest of us. Some of us like that the devs did it intentionally. I've been saying it all along. As a group, the new regions are fun, but if you're playing to win eve, maybe it's time for a break? Your mom goes to college...
Snake Doctor Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.18 16:08:00 - [124] This thread smells like necro. Your mom goes to college...
Dasi	Posted - 2007.03.18 16:39:00 - [125] Thanks for the reply. At least we have "closure."
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.18 18:52:00 - [126] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 18/03/2007 18:51:26 Simple question for CCP; with 1.4 patch r we geting roids normalized; (at present veldspar has 100K ore units, crokite 300; noramlized means; veldspar having 1mil+ ore units, crokite 1000+ ore units at its respawn) - will their ore amount been adjusted to their normal size or no? YES/NO Thx for explanation in here : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=443400&page=5#135 (if no plz explain why not - thx!!!)
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.18 18:58:00 - [127] Originally by: CCP Oveur Originally by: Stamm The new regions are BROKEN. There are - * No Hauler Spawns * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) * Broken asteroids * Broken rewards for belt rats (mineral price crash caused by new region ratting) * No static complexes * Lack of tritanium/pyerite - no loot refines to trit, little pyerite, no hauler spawns * No faction spawns * No conquerable stations Some of those are intentional. The drone regions are supposed to be "tougher" than other reasons. No conquerable stations I believe is intentional. No hauler spawns possibly. No gas clouds? Maybe. Lack of tritanium/pyerite, maybe? But for now the drone regions are less rewarding than other regions, more hassle, and for the most part, simply broken. This is understandable for new content, and I have every confidence the Developers intend to fix these problems. But the Developers need to do the following. * Acknowledge the problems. * State a priority on them. * Estimate some kind of timescale. * Fix them. This is NOT too much to ask. There was previously a thread discussing these things, but it has been moved. Petitions have been tried - no response. To my knowledge there has been no Developer response on these issues. One is needed. Many, many alliances use the new regions. Please, CCP, respond. The new regions are as they are supposed to be. They were never supposed to be "tougher" themselves, they were supposed to be built up by players, which requires logistics which is tougher. If we go through it item for item: * No Hauler Spawns - Intentional * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') Bugreport it * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Should be fixed in 1.4 * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong * Broken rewards for belt rats Intentional * No static complexes Intentional * Lack of tritanium/pyerite Intentional * No faction spawns Intentional * No conquerable stations Intentional If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. CCP Oveur U r saying roids r FIXED already?????? So what is that patch nota about asteriods in G5KW anyway??? Damn; plz sit into hulk and mine in new regions and repeat that again without bad feeling.
Kaylee Walker	Posted - 2007.03.18 21:19:00 - [128] There are other areas of 0.0 that don t have access to all minerals either, for example Syndicate doesn t have Isogen and Megacyte ores at all. Of course, not having Pyerite and Trit in normal amounts hurts the most as they are the most troublesome to import, but mineral compression that allows you to jump 50M+ amounts of low ends to 0.0 (even if you have to do two jumps) should fix that. I am sure if you offer empire miners enough isk, they ll even take care of the compression business for you. Adapt to the shortcomings and advantages of your space, don t whine about it. If it really is that much harder living there, be happy that other 0.0 powers will be less inclined to just take over.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.03.18 21:40:00 - [129] Edited by: Rikeka on 18/03/2007 21:37:24 Edited by: Rikeka on 18/03/2007 21:37:02 Originally by: Kaylee Walker There are other areas of 0.0 that don t have access to all minerals either, for example Syndicate doesn t have Isogen and Megacyte ores at all. Of course, not having Pyerite and Trit in normal amounts hurts the most as they are the most troublesome to import, but mineral compression that allows you to jump 50M+ amounts of low ends to 0.0 (even if you have to do two jumps) should fix that. I am sure if you offer empire miners enough isk, they ll even take care of the compression business for you. Adapt to the shortcomings and advantages of your space, don t whine about it. If it really is that much harder living there, be happy that other 0.0 powers will be less inclined to just take over. Dude, I don`t think you understand what`s wrong with the Drone Regions roids.
Niki Silver Ethereal Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.18 22:22:00 - [130] Oveur- Base price of Zyd is 2048 not 1024. NPC buy orders were always 50% of base. Current market for Zyd is quickly falling to 1600 and less, which is well below base. Ethereal Imperium [E-IMP] is recruiting! Please visit our webpage for more information.
Niki Silver Ethereal Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.18 22:23:00 - [131] Originally by: Vladimir Ramanov Originally by: CCP Oveur Originally by: Stamm The new regions are BROKEN. If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. If we don't like it there are also dozens of other MMO's on the market, please bear that in mind before posting such childish remarks. QFT, couldn't agree more Ethereal Imperium [E-IMP] is recruiting! Please visit our webpage for more information.
Sphynix	Posted - 2007.03.19 00:21:00 - [132] How to drones propagate? - They keep getting killed... What do the drones shoot us with? The drones can Web, Scram, MWD and AB without modules? The drones live in "vast" complexes with buildings... OK, so maybe the buildings are legacy from another era and the drones just happened to move in. OK, so maybe their modules are built in and can't be looted. OK, so maybe they use pew pew lasers that hit for all 4 damage types. OK, so maybe they have an infinate stock of minerals in the same hidden place as their ship/drone yards. BTW why can't you take a hauler into these new complexes? If you can have legacy buildings that the drones occupy then why can't you have legacy outposts. If you don't have hauler spawns, then can you have static (large numbers of low ends) drops in the complex to represent the drones manufacturing. And just as a final bug-bear. The "old" regions give you a security increase from the rats. Drones are considered a security risk - why do you only get a security increase in the old regions?
Caletha Reborn	Posted - 2007.03.19 01:30:00 - [133] I would love to see more content in the drone regions. If thats coming with 1.4 then I say bring it on! It would be a much needed addition in that region (where currently you can only rat, rat and rat a bit more). As for the mineral prices crashing, it'll get worse and worse I'm sure. However will CCP do something when the prices cause the drones to become less profitable then normal drones? Because that will happen, its just a matter of time. Heck, if you add the time it takes to sell the minerals, we're already getting close.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.19 14:16:00 - [134] Still looking for replay of CCP on simple yes/no question!
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.19 15:15:00 - [135] Rabble Rabble Rabble.... Fix the damn asteroids at least.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.19 18:07:00 - [136] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 19/03/2007 18:06:36 Edited by: Cruel Fox on 19/03/2007 18:05:55 I just striped 1 belt and remowed crok bist and ark roids; total of 3K ore units from all of them like 1K of crok 1K of bist and 1K of ark in a belt; that should be like in 2 roids onlly not in a whole belt damnit; anyway this belt is now clean of high end ore and tomorow after patch we will c how big they will respawn; honestlly i expect them to respawn at 90 units in roid and grow up to 300 top!!! And they r claiming it is fixed - so lets see!
Ruiryu	Posted - 2007.03.19 20:31:00 - [137] I personally have never had an issue with the new regions. Mind you all I was doing was ratting, sure the market price on zyd hurts oh well. I'll just build my ships, I don't care. I don't care if the drones dont drop trit as 1 unit of zyd will still buy me a lot of trit/pyrite. I can understand where people are coming from if they are doing a lot of production, but cry me a freaking river, get out and mine it. The veldspar roids are monsters. How did people get trit before the new regions and their nice alloy drops? They Either A: Bought it from Chribba, or B: Mined it. So why are people crying oh were not getting trit or pyerite boohoo. From the alliance that are out there I know you can easily field a mining op to get those minerals you need. And if it wasn't so profitable how is it that there have been about 5 outpost thrown up out there in the last what 4-5 months? Stop crying your pretty little eyes out. The new regions were ment to be a logistical nightmare, it what makes things so interesting, you have to work with other people. Learn to adapt, stop whining about something that isn't broken. * No Hauler Spawns. -"WELL DUH! They drop alloy already what else would they drop?" * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') -"Oh well move on" * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) -"More then like will be fixed soon be patient" * Broken asteroids -"Will more then likely be fixed stop crying things take time" * Broken rewards for belt rats (mineral price crash caused by new region ratting)-"Adapt, find new things to do with your 300k zydrine, shouldn't have flooded the market, the players caused this crash, And oh well the prices are almost back to what they were when I first started playing, still though making a profit from what it use to be then." * No static complexes -"They are drones! Imagine how difficult it would be to loot one. One Bobby and Jhonny you guys are on hauler duty tonight for the corp complex run. Just rat and be happy." * Lack of tritanium/pyerite - no loot refines to trit, little pyerite, no hauler spawns -"MINE IT! The damn veldspar as hugh!" * No faction spawns -"No really? What would a faction spawn drop? More alloy?" * No conquerable stations -"There seem to be plenty of them now. Go siege some POS and take one over"
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.03.19 20:37:00 - [138] Originally by: Ruiryu I personally have never had an issue with the new regions. Mind you all I was doing was ratting, sure the market price on zyd hurts oh well. I'll just build my ships, I don't care. I don't care if the drones dont drop trit as 1 unit of zyd will still buy me a lot of trit/pyrite. I can understand where people are coming from if they are doing a lot of production, but cry me a freaking river, get out and mine it. The veldspar roids are monsters. How did people get trit before the new regions and their nice alloy drops? They Either A: Bought it from Chribba, or B: Mined it. So why are people crying oh were not getting trit or pyerite boohoo. From the alliance that are out there I know you can easily field a mining op to get those minerals you need. And if it wasn't so profitable how is it that there have been about 5 outpost thrown up out there in the last what 4-5 months? Stop crying your pretty little eyes out. The new regions were ment to be a logistical nightmare, it what makes things so interesting, you have to work with other people. Learn to adapt, stop whining about something that isn't broken. * No Hauler Spawns. -"WELL DUH! They drop alloy already what else would they drop?" * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') -"Oh well move on" * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) -"More then like will be fixed soon be patient" * Broken asteroids -"Will more then likely be fixed stop crying things take time" * Broken rewards for belt rats (mineral price crash caused by new region ratting)-"Adapt, find new things to do with your 300k zydrine, shouldn't have flooded the market, the players caused this crash, And oh well the prices are almost back to what they were when I first started playing, still though making a profit from what it use to be then." * No static complexes -"They are drones! Imagine how difficult it would be to loot one. One Bobby and Jhonny you guys are on hauler duty tonight for the corp complex run. Just rat and be happy." * Lack of tritanium/pyerite - no loot refines to trit, little pyerite, no hauler spawns -"MINE IT! The damn veldspar as hugh!" * No faction spawns -"No really? What would a faction spawn drop? More alloy?" * No conquerable stations -"There seem to be plenty of them now. Go siege some POS and take one over" Again, you have no idea. Mine Veldspar in the new regions, and later you are alowed to post here.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.03.19 20:54:00 - [139] Originally by: MailFan QFT We have to work harder for less profit than any other 0.0 region. That may have been intentional, but maybe you could have made that clear before we spent all those hours on setting up our new home. Less profit = less ships = less defense = lesser time for the other alliances to come and take over our space. If they actually want our space, which if they don't should say enough Well it's one hell of a defense living in the... place that you do. ------------------- Say What?
Cutie Chaser	Posted - 2007.03.19 20:54:00 - [140] Originally by: Vladimir Ramanov Originally by: CCP Oveur Originally by: Stamm The new regions are BROKEN. If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. If we don't like it there are also dozens of other MMO's on the market, please bear that in mind before posting such childish remarks. "Don't let the door hit you on the [butt] on the way out, because we don't want [butt]prints on our door!" Sorry, now that that is out of my system, I do agree that Oveurs comment was a bit blunt. The Devs should come out to the drone regions for a few weeks, set up a POS, and do some manufacturing and then tell us all is fine.
Cutie Chaser	Posted - 2007.03.19 21:00:00 - [141] Originally by: Ruiryu I...How did people get trit before the new regions and their nice alloy drops? They Either A: Bought it from Chribba, or B: Mined it. The Veld roids look huge but it's an illusion. It's like a chick with a stuffed bra, you get a look and say "Nice!", but later when she loses the bra you get that "awwww... pooh" feeling :P
Amelia Ryan Gallente Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.19 22:47:00 - [142] Originally by: Cutie Chaser The Veld roids look huge but it's an illusion. It's like a chick with a stuffed bra, you get a look and say "Nice!", but later when she loses the bra you get that "awwww... pooh" feeling :P Looooool! If you don't like it there, there are about 5 billion other boobs which you can go for. :p
Cutie Chaser	Posted - 2007.03.20 00:07:00 - [143] Originally by: Amelia Ryan Originally by: Cutie Chaser The Veld roids look huge but it's an illusion. It's like a chick with a stuffed bra, you get a look and say "Nice!", but later when she loses the bra you get that "awwww... pooh" feeling :P Looooool! If you don't like it there, there are about 5 billion other boobs which you can go for. :p Unfortunately there's quite a bit of time invested to get to the, er, unwrapping stage, so it better to try to get a fix to the problem then to try to start over again from scratch. If they were just as big as they looked it would be fine, but since they aren't now they are in need of a serious injection(an ore injection of course).
Amelia Ryan Gallente Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.20 01:58:00 - [144] Originally by: Cutie Chaser Originally by: Amelia Ryan Originally by: Cutie Chaser The Veld roids look huge but it's an illusion. It's like a chick with a stuffed bra, you get a look and say "Nice!", but later when she loses the bra you get that "awwww... pooh" feeling :P Looooool! If you don't like it there, there are about 5 billion other boobs which you can go for. :p Unfortunately there's quite a bit of time invested to get to the, er, unwrapping stage, so it better to try to get a fix to the problem then to try to start over again from scratch. If they were just as big as they looked it would be fine, but since they aren't now they are in need of a serious injection(an ore injection of course). :), don't take the previous post to seriously tho, i was dying to reply on your post where you compared the belts visualisation with a stuffed bra, i lolled IRL on that one cuz you actually had a nipple errrrm POINT there :p . About the issue i think most of us think the same way. Packing our stuff and leaving cuz there are bugs is just plain wrong unless you really can't survive out there. They should have fixed a lot of bugs months sooner, one of them is the asteroid bug. Ill try to explain why in my opinion. You even learn in the tutorial, mining is one of the key elements in the game. Next, a bug spread this wide across a couple of regions does touch the market in a way it was not intended. Mining is a huge earning for a lot of individuals, as its also important for huge mining operations within a corp or alliance for outposts, capital ships and all things that can turn the tide in battle. Im not saying people aren't strong there, a lot are motivated and found ways to get what they want anyway, but a lot of time also has been lost because other ways take time and effort wich could have been spend more wise if the option was there. Now, im crossing my fingers for the next patch, they seemed to fix our region at least, so i hope a lot of my whining will be solved with it, but don't keep your hopes up to high :p . May we all be blessed with good fixes!
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.20 02:38:00 - [145] Vactet, you're not doing anyone any favours by flaming devs and demanding things be changed. The new regions have a concept that's never been tried before in EVE, and like any new concept it needs to be balanced. Most of us are just providing feedback to CCP in the hopes that the problems will be recognized and fixed, not whining on about how we're entitled to have things handed to us on a silver platter. The new regions started off well, but the biggest problem is the only way to make isk there, the belt rats, is completely dependent on the player market for minerals. Thus if the mineral market crashes entire regions are made worthless and the alliances living there are left with a wasteland. If there were some other steady sources of income, like exploration sites, complexes or working belts, it wouldn't be so bad. But there isn't. Considering the amount of logistics and teamwork these regions require I don't think it's too much to ask to have some good, and most importantly reliable sources of income as a reward for that effort.
Cutie Chaser	Posted - 2007.03.20 03:10:00 - [146] Originally by: Amelia Ryan :), don't take the previous post to seriously tho, i was dying to reply on your post where you compared the belts visualisation with a stuffed bra, i lolled IRL on that one cuz you actually had a nipple errrrm POINT there :p . About the issue i think most of us think the same way. Packing our stuff and leaving cuz there are bugs is just plain wrong unless you really can't survive out there. They should have fixed a lot of bugs months sooner, one of them is the asteroid bug. Ill try to explain why in my opinion. You even learn in the tutorial, mining is one of the key elements in the game. Next, a bug spread this wide across a couple of regions does touch the market in a way it was not intended. Mining is a huge earning for a lot of individuals, as its also important for huge mining operations within a corp or alliance for outposts, capital ships and all things that can turn the tide in battle. Im not saying people aren't strong there, a lot are motivated and found ways to get what they want anyway, but a lot of time also has been lost because other ways take time and effort wich could have been spend more wise if the option was there. Now, im crossing my fingers for the next patch, they seemed to fix our region at least, so i hope a lot of my whining will be solved with it, but don't keep your hopes up to high :p . May we all be blessed with good fixes! Yeah, I was just looking for a reason to stretch the analogy to one more post anyways :P I pretty much gave up on getting any sort of adjustment when Ovuer showed up here in this post to say "Like the region the way it is, or GTFO". Might as well have locked the thread right there, with a giant ASCII-art middle finger for all of us expressing concerns here :P Anyway, good luck to everyone living out in the new regions, hopefully come Tuesday you can run more then 1 cycle of Miner 2's on a Veld roid :P
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.20 06:05:00 - [147] I will point out reall problem again so that we dont conuze ppl around: -it is not that we dont have hawlers spawns -it is not that we dont have faction spawns -it is not that we dont have complexes -it is not that we dont have any conquerabe stations ___________________________ All previus would be NICE to have; would be GOOD to have; it is something that most of EVE have - but nevertheles if CCP thinks that new space does not get that so be it; their intentions r not ours; their thoughts r not our thoughts; their goals r not our goals... No mater what the new space is broken and has been broken BIG time with its first day being opened: - moon ore was not seeded @ all; once we reported it we got all blue ore in eve on moons, no yellows, after report we finally got some yellows; wont open up talk about numbers of high end moon ore - exploration being broken for 4 month now; no rewards nothing out of exploration; u cant even make it to work; yes i know they r saying they r about to fix it - but 4 month? isnt that 2 quick - ore AMOUNT in roids; ore is seeded well, there is enought of roids in belts, but there is not enought of ORE UNITS in roids; this is BIGEST NEW SPACE BUG wich has to go away. Becouse of this bug - everything is messed up; And like i said we will c what will hapened today with their FIX; adresing does not sound like FIX to me so i am wondering what does that mean: An asteroid seeding issue in the G5KW region has been addressed. Any explanation? any arguments against ROIDS being BUGGED?
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.20 08:25:00 - [148] All we can do is wait and see at this point. My corp has some mining experts and career explorers that are frankly hamstrung at this point. Belt ratting is profitable, and with our corporation's organization, we've made it work to this point, although I am continually in AWE of my Industrial director...I think I would have run screaming for Rens at some of the obstacles he's overcome to keep our production lines running out here. I've read some adapt and overcome lines and some smartass retorts in this thread...just proves that some people love to forum ho irregrardless of their lack of knowledge regarding this area my corp calls home. ---looks at the clock. We shall see soon enough if the fixes for the rocks are in. Ubuntu 3d-Linux Desktop+EVE
Bermag Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.20 08:58:00 - [149] As I see it the two worst problems is a) Roids not having enough of ore. That might to some extent be intentional since the new regions have all roids which is not the case in other regions (for example other regions either have Ark or Crok; not both as it is in the new regions). But some balancing is needed and I hope this will be fixed now. b) No professional exploration sites. All the hacking/arch sites are factional of the same rat type as the region has. Possible solution for this is to have professional sites of a random type. I can live with not having static complexes (as long as exploration sites get fixed), no hauler spawns and no faction spawns, but there should be some more fun things to do. Drone ratting get a bit boring real soon (even if it is profitable).
Bermag Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.20 08:58:00 - [150] As I see it the two worst problems is a) Roids not having enough of ore. That might to some extent be intentional since the new regions have all roids which is not the case in other regions (for example other regions either have Ark or Crok; not both as it is in the new regions). But some balancing is needed and I hope this will be fixed now. b) No professional exploration sites. All the hacking/arch sites are factional of the same rat type as the region has. Possible solution for this is to have professional sites of a random type. I can live with not having static complexes (as long as exploration sites get fixed), no hauler spawns and no faction spawns, but there should be some more fun things to do. Drone ratting get a bit boring real soon (even if it is profitable).
Bermag Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.20 08:58:00 - [151] As I see it the two worst problems is a) Roids not having enough of ore. That might to some extent be intentional since the new regions have all roids which is not the case in other regions (for example other regions either have Ark or Crok; not both as it is in the new regions). But some balancing is needed and I hope this will be fixed now. b) No professional exploration sites. All the hacking/arch sites are factional of the same rat type as the region has. Possible solution for this is to have professional sites of a random type. I can live with not having static complexes (as long as exploration sites get fixed), no hauler spawns and no faction spawns, but there should be some more fun things to do. Drone ratting get a bit boring real soon (even if it is profitable).
Bermag Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.20 08:58:00 - [152] As I see it the two worst problems is a) Roids not having enough of ore. That might to some extent be intentional since the new regions have all roids which is not the case in other regions (for example other regions either have Ark or Crok; not both as it is in the new regions). But some balancing is needed and I hope this will be fixed now. b) No professional exploration sites. All the hacking/arch sites are factional of the same rat type as the region has. Possible solution for this is to have professional sites of a random type. I can live with not having static complexes (as long as exploration sites get fixed), no hauler spawns and no faction spawns, but there should be some more fun things to do. Drone ratting get a bit boring real soon (even if it is profitable).
Bermag Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.20 08:58:00 - [153] As I see it the two worst problems is a) Roids not having enough of ore. That might to some extent be intentional since the new regions have all roids which is not the case in other regions (for example other regions either have Ark or Crok; not both as it is in the new regions). But some balancing is needed and I hope this will be fixed now. b) No professional exploration sites. All the hacking/arch sites are factional of the same rat type as the region has. Possible solution for this is to have professional sites of a random type. I can live with not having static complexes (as long as exploration sites get fixed), no hauler spawns and no faction spawns, but there should be some more fun things to do. Drone ratting get a bit boring real soon (even if it is profitable).
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.20 14:07:00 - [154] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 20/03/2007 14:04:14 Originally by: Bermag As I see it the two worst problems is a) Roids not having enough of ore. That might to some extent be intentional since the new regions have all roids which is not the case in other regions (for example other regions either have Ark or Crok; not both as it is in the new regions). But some balancing is needed and I hope this will be fixed now. b) No professional exploration sites. All the hacking/arch sites are factional of the same rat type as the region has. Possible solution for this is to have professional sites of a random type. I can live with not having static complexes (as long as exploration sites get fixed), no hauler spawns and no faction spawns, but there should be some more fun things to do. Drone ratting get a bit boring real soon (even if it is profitable). a\ new region does not have All ROIDs - far from it! Warp to belt go trought types of ore and then post; and i really cant imagine how would be intentionall to disable mining. It is not problem with what kind of roids there r in region but amount ore units in it wich is close to 0.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.20 14:07:00 - [155] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 20/03/2007 14:04:14 Originally by: Bermag As I see it the two worst problems is a) Roids not having enough of ore. That might to some extent be intentional since the new regions have all roids which is not the case in other regions (for example other regions either have Ark or Crok; not both as it is in the new regions). But some balancing is needed and I hope this will be fixed now. b) No professional exploration sites. All the hacking/arch sites are factional of the same rat type as the region has. Possible solution for this is to have professional sites of a random type. I can live with not having static complexes (as long as exploration sites get fixed), no hauler spawns and no faction spawns, but there should be some more fun things to do. Drone ratting get a bit boring real soon (even if it is profitable). a\ new region does not have All ROIDs - far from it! Warp to belt go trought types of ore and then post; and i really cant imagine how would be intentionall to disable mining. It is not problem with what kind of roids there r in region but amount ore units in it wich is close to 0.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.20 14:07:00 - [156] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 20/03/2007 14:04:14 Originally by: Bermag As I see it the two worst problems is a) Roids not having enough of ore. That might to some extent be intentional since the new regions have all roids which is not the case in other regions (for example other regions either have Ark or Crok; not both as it is in the new regions). But some balancing is needed and I hope this will be fixed now. b) No professional exploration sites. All the hacking/arch sites are factional of the same rat type as the region has. Possible solution for this is to have professional sites of a random type. I can live with not having static complexes (as long as exploration sites get fixed), no hauler spawns and no faction spawns, but there should be some more fun things to do. Drone ratting get a bit boring real soon (even if it is profitable). a\ new region does not have All ROIDs - far from it! Warp to belt go trought types of ore and then post; and i really cant imagine how would be intentionall to disable mining. It is not problem with what kind of roids there r in region but amount ore units in it wich is close to 0.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.20 14:07:00 - [157] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 20/03/2007 14:04:14 Originally by: Bermag As I see it the two worst problems is a) Roids not having enough of ore. That might to some extent be intentional since the new regions have all roids which is not the case in other regions (for example other regions either have Ark or Crok; not both as it is in the new regions). But some balancing is needed and I hope this will be fixed now. b) No professional exploration sites. All the hacking/arch sites are factional of the same rat type as the region has. Possible solution for this is to have professional sites of a random type. I can live with not having static complexes (as long as exploration sites get fixed), no hauler spawns and no faction spawns, but there should be some more fun things to do. Drone ratting get a bit boring real soon (even if it is profitable). a\ new region does not have All ROIDs - far from it! Warp to belt go trought types of ore and then post; and i really cant imagine how would be intentionall to disable mining. It is not problem with what kind of roids there r in region but amount ore units in it wich is close to 0.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.20 14:07:00 - [158] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 20/03/2007 14:04:14 Originally by: Bermag As I see it the two worst problems is a) Roids not having enough of ore. That might to some extent be intentional since the new regions have all roids which is not the case in other regions (for example other regions either have Ark or Crok; not both as it is in the new regions). But some balancing is needed and I hope this will be fixed now. b) No professional exploration sites. All the hacking/arch sites are factional of the same rat type as the region has. Possible solution for this is to have professional sites of a random type. I can live with not having static complexes (as long as exploration sites get fixed), no hauler spawns and no faction spawns, but there should be some more fun things to do. Drone ratting get a bit boring real soon (even if it is profitable). a\ new region does not have All ROIDs - far from it! Warp to belt go trought types of ore and then post; and i really cant imagine how would be intentionall to disable mining. It is not problem with what kind of roids there r in region but amount ore units in it wich is close to 0.
Ruiryu	Posted - 2007.03.20 14:09:00 - [159] And like I said be patient, CCP will fix the rocks in the new region so you can mine them. I'm sure they don't need all you people crying for all sorts of crap, your whining isn't going to make it happen faster.
Ruiryu	Posted - 2007.03.20 14:09:00 - [160] And like I said be patient, CCP will fix the rocks in the new region so you can mine them. I'm sure they don't need all you people crying for all sorts of crap, your whining isn't going to make it happen faster.
Ruiryu	Posted - 2007.03.20 14:09:00 - [161] And like I said be patient, CCP will fix the rocks in the new region so you can mine them. I'm sure they don't need all you people crying for all sorts of crap, your whining isn't going to make it happen faster.
Ruiryu	Posted - 2007.03.20 14:09:00 - [162] And like I said be patient, CCP will fix the rocks in the new region so you can mine them. I'm sure they don't need all you people crying for all sorts of crap, your whining isn't going to make it happen faster.
Ruiryu	Posted - 2007.03.20 14:09:00 - [163] And like I said be patient, CCP will fix the rocks in the new region so you can mine them. I'm sure they don't need all you people crying for all sorts of crap, your whining isn't going to make it happen faster.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.20 15:22:00 - [164] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 20/03/2007 15:20:23 Originally by: Ruiryu And like I said be patient, CCP will fix the rocks in the new region so you can mine them. I'm sure they don't need all you people crying for all sorts of crap, your whining isn't going to make it happen faster. After 4 month of whating and being pation i really dont c it anymore HOW TO BE PATIENT even more and reporting what is buged aint whininh for me! Also broken roids aint crap! Still no anwswer onf yes/no questionfrom CCP
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.20 15:22:00 - [165] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 20/03/2007 15:20:23 Originally by: Ruiryu And like I said be patient, CCP will fix the rocks in the new region so you can mine them. I'm sure they don't need all you people crying for all sorts of crap, your whining isn't going to make it happen faster. After 4 month of whating and being pation i really dont c it anymore HOW TO BE PATIENT even more and reporting what is buged aint whininh for me! Also broken roids aint crap! Still no anwswer onf yes/no questionfrom CCP
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.20 15:22:00 - [166] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 20/03/2007 15:20:23 Originally by: Ruiryu And like I said be patient, CCP will fix the rocks in the new region so you can mine them. I'm sure they don't need all you people crying for all sorts of crap, your whining isn't going to make it happen faster. After 4 month of whating and being pation i really dont c it anymore HOW TO BE PATIENT even more and reporting what is buged aint whininh for me! Also broken roids aint crap! Still no anwswer onf yes/no questionfrom CCP
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.20 15:22:00 - [167] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 20/03/2007 15:20:23 Originally by: Ruiryu And like I said be patient, CCP will fix the rocks in the new region so you can mine them. I'm sure they don't need all you people crying for all sorts of crap, your whining isn't going to make it happen faster. After 4 month of whating and being pation i really dont c it anymore HOW TO BE PATIENT even more and reporting what is buged aint whininh for me! Also broken roids aint crap! Still no anwswer onf yes/no questionfrom CCP
Marticus Hullz	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:44:00 - [168] Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. Imho this is a too harsh reply to the OP post.
Marticus Hullz	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:44:00 - [169] Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. Imho this is a too harsh reply to the OP post.
Marticus Hullz	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:44:00 - [170] Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. Imho this is a too harsh reply to the OP post.
IXC FUND	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:46:00 - [171] Originally by: Marticus Hullz Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. Imho this is a too harsh reply to the OP post. Agreed indeed.
IXC FUND	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:46:00 - [172] Originally by: Marticus Hullz Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. Imho this is a too harsh reply to the OP post. Agreed indeed.
IXC FUND	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:46:00 - [173] Originally by: Marticus Hullz Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. Imho this is a too harsh reply to the OP post. Agreed indeed.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:38:00 - [174] And as i expected they didnt fix the roids! all ore amounts as they were nearlly at 0! But they did fix DRONES; they hit harder and drop less! Hmm i dont remember reporting bug saying drones droping to much and dont hit hard enought!
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:38:00 - [175] And as i expected they didnt fix the roids! all ore amounts as they were nearlly at 0! But they did fix DRONES; they hit harder and drop less! Hmm i dont remember reporting bug saying drones droping to much and dont hit hard enought!
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.21 05:09:00 - [176] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 21/03/2007 05:05:49 And they did exactlly what i thought they will; they fixed something what was not big problem at all; what do i care if there is some missing roids if they r uselles anyway; why bothering and adding them IF THEY R BROKEN GOD DAMNIT!!!!!!! !!!! ! !! !w eurhgf WGFwedvđioWZF
Eliax Gallente Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.21 08:20:00 - [177] Comfirmed that the roids are still broken. BUT there hasn't been a respawn yet right? So imo there is still hope for them to be fixed when the respawn happens. Im crossing fingers.
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.21 08:24:00 - [178] update post 3-20 patch roids are spawning with sub par units of ore. Useless F-ing belts!!
MailFan Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.21 09:31:00 - [179] Can we please have an update on this situation Devs? Did there go something wrong with the update, did you fix it but do we have to wait untill the next respawn or did you fix it but we thought the results would be different? -- I'm in this mood because of scorn. I'm in a mood for total war
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.03.21 09:38:00 - [180] Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. Im guessing public relations isnt what ccp employed you for. Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
MailFan Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.21 09:45:00 - [181] Edited by: MailFan on 21/03/2007 09:41:54 And why the f*ck do I get 2/3rd of alloys out of a BS wreck compared to before the patch? Instead of improvements we got nerfed? -- I'm in this mood because of scorn. I'm in a mood for total war
Karanth Gallente Crazy 88's O X I D E	Posted - 2007.03.21 09:57:00 - [182] I travelled hundreds of light-years, and all I got was this lousy region This is a fighter for the Crazy 88's. It is protecting the assets of the OXIDE Alliance and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat. Threat level: About 60 words per minute I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebob- Tirg
Vort X EON Order Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:45:00 - [183] Since im in the new area, there are nothing else to do but to kill rats in the belts. I was sure that the exploration sites will be added, but ain't happened. I've got few systems with unknown signals, but they are just inpossible to locate. YQM for example, the signal is there, you can cover everything with 4 quest probe, but it just wont find anything while the multispectral probe says hey, here is an unknown sign, probably plex. The same issue as before. It wasn't fixed, so there is nothing else to do in EVE for the residents of the new region but kill roids. Yeah, I could go for pvp one could say, which I'd love to, but until we've got standing with RED it would be suicide. All I can say I'm bored here, but still have hope.
Vactet Immortalis Silens	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:29:00 - [184] Edited by: Vactet on 22/03/2007 12:32:34 Dun Dun Dun im back. Had some..ahh..issues with the alliance the corp i am in was in. Long story, dont worry. Anyways. Sad to hear that they didnt fix the regions..figured as much. The corp I am in, IMSIL, moved back to Molden Heath for the moment before we redeploy to a different 0.0, once we find out where to go exactly... It came down to this: Current state of 7-k Region (Pre Patch)=Unplayable by an industrial corporation that is self sufficent, or should be for the most part. Then the whole thing with the alliance went down (Why is it that some people dont like being told they are wrong? Oh well, moving on) so that made it easy. But yeh, real sorry to hear the regions are still screwed up, feared it would be so. Now then...replies and thoughts on things people said... Originally by: Cruel Fox And as i expected they didnt fix the roids! all ore amounts as they were nearlly at 0! But they did fix DRONES; they hit harder and drop less! Hmm i dont remember reporting bug saying drones droping to much and dont hit hard enought! Oye. Nerf for the loose. Good job devs. You made the problem worse. I swear, sometimes i think its you [devs] that needs to be hit with the nerf bat, yeesh. Now...to a few critics...batter up. Originally by: Xelios Vactet, you're not doing anyone any favours by flaming devs and demanding things be changed. The new regions have a concept that's never been tried before in EVE, and like any new concept it needs to be balanced. Most of us are just providing feedback to CCP in the hopes that the problems will be recognized and fixed, not whining on about how we're entitled to have things handed to us on a silver platter. Not flaming devs thank you. Flaming would include alot more cursing coming out of me and mentioning something to do with gerbils. Call it being abrassive, rash, and angry....but trust me...that was not me flaming. As for demanding? Dang right I am demanding, my 45 bucks a month gives me this right as does every other person's monthly bill to CCP give them the same right. And just what am i Demanding? (Incase you werent paying attention and all). First off? That CCP Listen and respond to the players. Christ, if they get yelled at and go cower until its over then im seriously surprised. Second off, that they fix, or atleast release a plan to fix the problems. Sitting stagnate is not acceptable. You mention providing feedback. Have you...read any of my posts? Its all feedback, both on the new regions and on Oveur's rather annoying attitude about the entire thing. (Yeh yeh, i know i got an attitude too). Whining. Ok enough. Stop assuming you know my intentions, its becoming annoying, that and the whole putting words in my mouth thing. I am demanding that the new regions get an equal shake, just like the rest of the 0.0 regions. NO better, NO worse (And its worse right now). Next... Originally by: Snake Doctor Listen man-- You're getting this worked up over a game? There are like 30 more regions. Why don't you move to one of them and stop complaining about it? How about taking a break from Eve... It's all me me me with some players--- while that's all fine and good for you, this is mmo. If they go ahead and make every change suggested because some player throws a fit, the game will suck for the rest of us. Some of us like that the devs did it intentionally. I've been saying it all along. As a group, the new regions are fun, but if you're playing to win eve, maybe it's time for a break? So..now its your turn. Yes, i get worked up over problems that occur in anything that i invest my time into. Wether this is school, work, or in this case EVE. Its called caring about something, look into it. 30 More regions, uh...no. All regions should be equal..in the end (Note: Yes..I do mean 0.0. And notice i said...IN the end.) Actually, i was proclaiming rather loudly for all of those living in the new regions, not just myself, not just my corp, and not just my alliance (at the time). CONT Sometimes the world needs to be kicked in the face to stop drooling on itself like an ignorant child. ::Im paid to talk, not to be civil. ::I will respond to any critic, be warned though, I have a
Vactet Immortalis Silens	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:31:00 - [185] Edited by: Vactet on 22/03/2007 12:31:05 Jesus. Did i ever say "FIX 7-K first". No, i said "Hey G5 aint the only one, what about the other regions?". And this is NOT a case of making a change for one player. Read the forum, look how many people from many different alliances, with many different beliefs, are screaming for THE SAME THING. Im playing to have fun with my friends. And maybe you should be the one taking the break, you seem way to used to the dev's sticking long cylindrical objects close to your backside, might want to look into that. Next... Originally by: Death Merchant Um... 1)What game have you been playing? 2)Threats like this don't work or help. 3)Decaffeinated. 1)EVE, or why would i be posting on the eve forums. Really, time the witty questions better. 2)Threats...people misconstrue things way to easily in the current politically correct society of the world. No threats, just demands that the devs listen and respond to the players that pay their saleries. How bout this mmk...you do what you think/feel will help and I will do what I feel will help? Ok that sounds greeeaat. 3)-.- that...was before any caffiene had touched my stomach, heh. In Closing. The chance of myself posting in/on this thread again is slim as my corp has moved out of the new drone regions because the developers have made any sort of manufacturing or industry not viable there any longer, and as a production corp, the issue should be obvious. However, I wish good luck to Cruel Fox and the others in getting the bugs in the new regions resolved in a fast manner. Sometimes the world needs to be kicked in the face to stop drooling on itself like an ignorant child. ::Im paid to talk, not to be civil. ::I will respond to any critic, be warned though, I have a
Breyghun Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2007.03.23 11:13:00 - [186] Hmmmmzz .. not sure if this will get looked at cos it's turned into a monster thread and it's probably hard now for the Dev's to pick through it. So, keeping it simple; 1. The new Regions exist. There has been an impact on mineral prices. Adapt to prosper. Remember to factor in the whole value of a drone (including Salvage). 2. Gaming excitement and challenge. Yup the drones are a little tougher and it's harder to make a living out there but that's fun! 3. Faction stuff. Yeah this is needed. Storyline stuff about Drone Commanders showing up makes good sense. Perhaps the discovery of a Cyborg race may provide a future expansion opportunity? 4. Exploration. Well these are new regions so it figures that there should be interesting stuff to discover. Say arc sites with mysterious drone buildings. 5. Mining. I don't see why the roids shouldn't behave the same as everywhere else in the game. So there it is, my two penneth of what I reckon needs to be in but get over "fixing the new regions". Zyd prices will soon recover if enough people "move along". schlepp, schlock, schmaltz, scmooze, ****** are all the words you need in life.*
Eliax Gallente Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.23 13:22:00 - [187] Originally by: "CCP Oveur" Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong Nothing has been fixed, as i said before, wtf is reseeding anyway? Its the values the ore contains thats wrong. I waited till after patch, after roid respawn and... I couldn't even complete 1 cycle with 1 strip miner I on 1 crokite roid.
Teldar Novastorm Eastern Heritage O X I D E	Posted - 2007.03.23 13:36:00 - [188] Originally by: Breyghun Hmmmmzz .. not sure if this will get looked at cos it's turned into a monster thread and it's probably hard now for the Dev's to pick through it. Its not hard to "pick through" Everyone here in the new regions is saying the same things. Originally by: Breyghun 2. Gaming excitement and challenge. Yup the drones are a little tougher and it's harder to make a living out there but that's fun! No, its not fun, suddenly Im doing more for less with the drone alloy nerf, with no explanation as to why? I cant even mine because the asteroids are broken and have 1/10th the ore in them that they should, so killing drones and recycling their alloys is still a better way to go. There might as well be NO belts in the systems in the new regions. If the roids at least had decent amounts in them, it would give a nice break from ratting (droning?)the drones only drop alloys (which are depreciating in price because ccp couldnt forsee the effect all this Zyd with no Trit in the new regions would have on empire), no modules, and give no bounties. There are no plexes, not even hidden ones out here. Why should the new regions be this much WORSE than everywhere else in the game? Id like someone from ccp step up and explain this mess please. Even if changes arent coming for a month or 2 just having someone answer our questions properly without the "if you dont like it, leave" attitude would go a long way to helping us understand if you intentionally screwed up the new regions to bone anyone moving in there, or if there are fixes coming to bring them more on par with the older regions in game.
Breyghun Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2007.03.23 13:56:00 - [189] Originally by: CCP Oveur Originally by: Stamm The new regions are BROKEN. The new regions are as they are supposed to be. They were never supposed to be "tougher" themselves, they were supposed to be built up by players, which requires logistics which is tougher. If we go through it item for item: * No Hauler Spawns - Intentional * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') Bugreport it * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Should be fixed in 1.4 * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong * Broken rewards for belt rats Intentional * No static complexes Intentional * Lack of tritanium/pyerite Intentional * No faction spawns Intentional * No conquerable stations Intentional If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. This was the CCP response The only thing still in play is therefore fixing the roids issue and contributing ideas for spicing up the new Regions but leaving them as something different. If you are still getting roid problems then report them with details. schlepp, schlock, schmaltz, scmooze, ****** are all the words you need in life.*
Teldar Novastorm Eastern Heritage O X I D E	Posted - 2007.03.23 14:35:00 - [190] Originally by: Breyghun This was the CCP response The only thing still in play is therefore fixing the roids issue and contributing ideas for spicing up the new Regions but leaving them as something different. If you are still getting roid problems then report them with details. It has been bugreported, with ZERO feedback. They gave a vague "reseeding" problem fix, but didnt explain what was actually fixed and as far as we can see, nothing was. Also while static plexes are intentionally left out of the new regions (wtf, even empire gets static plexes?) there arent even HIDDEN plexes that they claim were going to be fixed.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.23 15:09:00 - [191] Originally by: CCP Oveur * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong They have NOT been fixed! Galaxian Recruitment Info
3rdD Dave Gallente Dark Entropy Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.03.23 15:34:00 - [192] CCp said " Quote: The only thing still in play is therefore fixing the roids issue and contributing ideas for spicing up the new Regions but leaving them as something different. WTF is the point of living here if you cant make ISK?
Drater	Posted - 2007.03.23 15:53:00 - [193] The problem with Oveur Stating "If you don't like the new regions there are 5000 other ones" Is that... Moving takes effort. Given that the new residents complain SO MUCH about a LITTLE MORE effort. You see where I'm going.
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.23 16:53:00 - [194] Originally by: Drater The problem with Oveur Stating "If you don't like the new regions there are 5000 other ones" Is that... Moving takes effort. Given that the new residents complain SO MUCH about a LITTLE MORE effort. You see where I'm going. Yes it means all the many corps and alliances that moved to the new regions based on false promises and overinflated expecations due to CCP would be forced to move into the already occupied good regions resulting in conflict and logistical nightmares for trying to move an allinace. The place you are going is to a choice... CCP can either fix their broken roids and new regions to bring them on par with their promises and make them decently useful.. Or entire alliances can quit cause CCP is incompetant Forcing entire alliances to pack up and move cause CCP is stupid isn't a valid option. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun, Love is a stocked missle launcher. Sexual extacy is watching that NME Battleship go boom. "Will i
Snake Doctor Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.23 18:31:00 - [195] Man. This topic will never die. The devs spoke on this issue. What do you want? A personal letter for every concern? Oveur answered your question. This thread has totally run its course. Every time you post to this one, a cute kitten dies. Did you know that? Not just the cute ones, but those ultra-cute soft and cuddly ones with the big orange fur. Yeah. You know what ones I'm talking about. ~160 cute and cuddly kittens have died as a result of rehashing things over and over. Are you guys happy now? Your mom goes to college...
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.23 20:44:00 - [196] Originally by: Snake Doctor Man. This topic will never die. The devs spoke on this issue. What do you want? A personal letter for every concern? Oveur answered your question. This thread has totally run its course. Oveur didn't really understand the problem it seems. The region we live in H3J8-U is a new region, and the asteroid belts are broken in it. They are not fixed. Some people read his post and thought he was saying they are fixed and when 1.4 comes out they will be repaired but we have waited and confirmed, our region's asteroids are still broken and still need to be fixed. Can a dev please look at the problem instead of just giving us **** for reporting bugs? -Bart
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.23 20:52:00 - [197] well this patch should fix roids and exploration: guess what Roids and Exploration still broken But we got 1 nice imporvement: Drones r now broken, they dont drop nothing at all from time to time. So we have broken roids broken ratz and broken Exploration; can someone explain me whats still left? siting in outpost i guess
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.23 21:05:00 - [198] I should be more specific since a lot of people are just saying the asteroids are broken and not going into specifics. The problem is the amount of minerals in each asteroid. They pop so fast when you mine that although we have people in our alliance with many hulk accounts, the abc's in our outpost system don't get touched. Why? The pop so fast it's more of a hassle than a profit to mine them. They pop and you spend your time moving your hulks to the next asteroids. Are we supposed to start fitting afterburners on our hulks to get any use out of our space? Please look at your so called tables and tell us you're going to handle it. Thanks. P.S. the region in question is H3J8-U (system is 5ed-4e). -Bart
Standard Deviation	Posted - 2007.03.23 21:20:00 - [199] Edited by: Standard Deviation on 23/03/2007 21:18:06 Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. have you guys looked at your regions lately and the disparity between them. The total bugs in some vs. others. Why does Delve and fountain have constellation sov. for NPC stations but GW doesnt. Why do some regions have an ridiculous amount of off grid belts you can no longer scan down. Why are static complexes left in the game, when everyone and i mean nearly everyone i meet in game prefers the exploration system, and yes this includes people that farm static complexes. Do you guys even look at this stuff, do you have explanitions for it. Or is it just screw you, move... Well i guess if you cant fix your game/stop cheating there is about 5000 other games we can go play. I love most parts of this game, but what arrogance in your post. Grow up and stop acting like a child.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.23 22:25:00 - [200] Originally by: Snake Doctor Man. This topic will never die. The devs spoke on this issue. What do you want? A personal letter for every concern? Oveur answered your question. This thread has totally run its course. Every time you post to this one, a cute kitten dies. Did you know that? Not just the cute ones, but those ultra-cute soft and cuddly ones with the big orange fur. Yeah. You know what ones I'm talking about. ~160 cute and cuddly kittens have died as a result of rehashing things over and over. Are you guys happy now? Kittens will continue to die until I'm confident the Devs are aware of the problem. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Snake Doctor Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.23 22:57:00 - [201] Here's the thing; Oveur already told you they made things a certain way out there. How can this thread be in any way constructive any longer? +5 kitties. Your mom goes to college...
Reachok Amarr Low Grade Ore Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.03.23 23:06:00 - [202] Originally by: Snake Doctor Man. This topic will never die. The devs spoke on this issue. What do you want? A personal letter for every concern? Oveur answered your question. This thread has totally run its course. Every time you post to this one, a cute kitten dies. Did you know that? Not just the cute ones, but those ultra-cute soft and cuddly ones with the big orange fur. Yeah. You know what ones I'm talking about. ~160 cute and cuddly kittens have died as a result of rehashing things over and over. Are you guys happy now? Valuable feedback there!! Anyway, I've mined lows in Stain, in Catch and in Empire. In those areas planet sized veldspar does NOT pop in 2-5 cycles of my T1 fitted covetor. People posting the above type of comments either do not understand the frustration or are just trolling. We all came out for the open spaces to make new homes, to mine, to rat and to explore. What we got are broken asteroids, broken exploration sites and broken promises. If CCP would simply fix the one issue with the asteroid respawn and growth rate, most of the protests would calm down I believe.
Reachok Amarr Low Grade Ore Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.03.23 23:08:00 - [203] Originally by: Snake Doctor Here's the thing; Oveur already told you they made things a certain way out there. How can this thread be in any way constructive any longer? +5 kitties. Dude, there are 5000 other threads you can troll in if you're not happy with this one.
Par'Gellen Gallente Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2007.03.23 23:15:00 - [204] Originally by: Reachok Originally by: Snake Doctor Here's the thing; Oveur already told you they made things a certain way out there. How can this thread be in any way constructive any longer? +5 kitties. Dude, there are 5000 other threads you can troll in if you're not happy with this one. R O F L M A O! --- CCP : Save my mousewheel!
Snake Doctor Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.23 23:34:00 - [205] Originally by: Reachok Originally by: Snake Doctor Here's the thing; Oveur already told you they made things a certain way out there. How can this thread be in any way constructive any longer? +5 kitties. Dude, there are 5000 other threads you can troll in if you're not happy with this one. You're missing the point. By "fixing" the roids, the devs will just make them actual size. Tiny. Then people will whine about that. They've already said they won't increase the ore amount, just the spawn rate. They've already given concrete answers to these questions. Sure, it sucks that the new regions are so bleak. I lived out there. I mined a little. I ratted a bit. I thought it sucked too until I realized what exactly they are doing out there. Adding any more to this is only deconstructive. We got answers to the questions we asked. Some of us REALLY LIKE that the new regions ARE SO DEVIOID OF ANYTHING. Surely someone else can back me up on this. I feel like Ka-Tet +/-1 or 2 more even know what it's like out there and this thread really shows it. Some of us want the challenge, that's why we went out there. If we wanted another GW or Venal or some region well endowed with tons of ** everyone wants, we'd move there. Really, back off on the accusations of trolling--- when someone comes to your own little quiet lake and petittions that they steam roll right over it in favor of a wal-mart, you'd have something to say about it too. Your mom** goes to college...
3rdD Dave Gallente Dark Entropy Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.03.24 00:01:00 - [206] well i would love my corp to move else where but we have soo much time invested in POS fittings and logistics its just not practical to simply up and leave like Oveur said. Straight up, the new drone regions are rubbish, its simply not worth fighting for, and with alloys prices dropping making peeps work harder for longer its just not fun anymore. Theres just no real incentive ISK wise to stay here so Oveur saying " Were leaving them as something differnt " just doesn't cut the mustard. Again, not everyone up here is miners,so if the roids do get fixed..what about Npc drops which are becoming crap, the spawn rates are sparse some times as well.. IMo take your new regions and shove them lol.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.24 00:32:00 - [207] Originally by: Snake Doctor You're missing the point. By "fixing" the roids, the devs will just make them actual size. Tiny. Then people will whine about that. They've already said they won't increase the ore amount, just the spawn rate. They've already given concrete answers to these questions. Sure, it sucks that the new regions are so bleak. I lived out there. I mined a little. I ratted a bit. I thought it sucked too until I realized what exactly they are doing out there. Adding any more to this is only deconstructive. We got answers to the questions we asked. Some of us REALLY LIKE that the new regions ARE SO DEVIOID OF ANYTHING. Surely someone else can back me up on this. I feel like Ka-Tet +/-1 or 2 more even know what it's like out there and this thread really shows it. Some of us want the challenge, that's why we went out there. If we wanted another GW or Venal or some region well endowed with tons of **** everyone wants, we'd move there. Really, back off on the accusations of trolling--- when someone comes to your own little quiet lake and petittions that they steam roll right over it in favor of a wal-mart, you'd have something to say about it too. There's lots of stuff the new regions aren't supposed to have - they don't have them. But there's stuff the new regions ARE supposed to have - they don't have them either. There is a problem with asteroid spawns. Nowhere else in Eve do the rocks spawn so small. It's got to be some kind of error/bug. The rocks are spawning approx 5-10% of the size they should. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Rudlls Minmatar Ascent of Ages Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.24 02:26:00 - [208] Edited by: Rudlls on 24/03/2007 02:27:26 Originally by: Cruel Fox well this patch should fix roids and exploration: guess what Roids and Exploration still broken But we got 1 nice imporvement: Drones r now broken, they dont drop nothing at all from time to time. So we have broken roids broken ratz and broken Exploration; can someone explain me whats still left? siting in outpost i guess NOW I got it! the drone regions are preparation for the walking in stations Oveur, you are forgetting you are not talking to children, but to PAYING customers, who are asking you, the "Service Provider" to fix the service you are SELLING. Please, spare us of your ourbursts of attitude. None of the requests here are unreasonable, and everyone was VERY patient. You promise fix and deliver nothing. How are we supposed to take it? :edit for readability
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.24 03:17:00 - [209] Quote: Some of us REALLY LIKE that the new regions ARE SO DEVIOID OF ANYTHING. Surely someone else can back me up on this. Not me, I'd like some content with my space thanks. What's the point in living there if you have to go somewhere else to do anything that's not pvp? How is an alliance with multiple outposts supposed to support itself when every roid in the region is broken? Jump minerals down from empire? Might as well just pack up and go live there then, it completely defeats the purpose of having your own space in 0.0. People claim 0.0 space and set up outposts to be self sufficient, how are you supposed to be self sufficient when every aspect of pve in the new regions is either broken or non-existant? It's a wasteland, a desert. Plain and simple.
Reachok Amarr Low Grade Ore Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.03.24 04:10:00 - [210] Originally by: Snake Doctor Originally by: Reachok Originally by: Snake Doctor Here's the thing; Oveur already told you they made things a certain way out there. How can this thread be in any way constructive any longer? +5 kitties. Dude, there are 5000 other threads you can troll in if you're not happy with this one. You're missing the point. By "fixing" the roids, the devs will just make them actual size. Tiny. Then people will whine about that. They've already said they won't increase the ore amount, just the spawn rate. They've already given concrete answers to these questions. Sure, it sucks that the new regions are so bleak. I lived out there. I mined a little. I ratted a bit. I thought it sucked too until I realized what exactly they are doing out there. Adding any more to this is only deconstructive. We got answers to the questions we asked. Some of us REALLY LIKE that the new regions ARE SO DEVIOID OF ANYTHING. Surely someone else can back me up on this. I feel like Ka-Tet +/-1 or 2 more even know what it's like out there and this thread really shows it. Some of us want the challenge, that's why we went out there. If we wanted another GW or Venal or some region well endowed with tons of **** everyone wants, we'd move there. Really, back off on the accusations of trolling--- when someone comes to your own little quiet lake and petittions that they steam roll right over it in favor of a wal-mart, you'd have something to say about it too. Now see, that was much better!! But once again, you have missed the point. I'm not asking for complexes. I'm not asking for stations. I'm not asking for anything that isn't within reason. Yes, the drone regions are bleak. And yes the roids are broken. Fix the roids, is all I'm asking. Please explain how making them actual size makes them smaller? My corp mined up some veld and other lows the other night. Bunch of hulks and covetors in high sec space. Took a while on roids that are smaller than the new region roids. None of us are asking for giant sized maximum overdrive roids. Just the same size as other places in eve. In Catch, which had only a few systems we could mine anything close to high end ores in, the veld and scord had the same respawn and growth rates of empire. The same in Stain. So, what is wrong with asking for that same thing in the drone regions? We're not peeing in your lake dude, we want to add some wastewater management to it.
Emeline Cabernet Amarr Old Farts	Posted - 2007.03.24 04:53:00 - [211] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. Im guessing public relations isnt what ccp employed you for. i was gonna quote oveur but again, you hit the nail right on the head. however, your reply about "buhuuuu we booted cheaters and it costed us money" comment is still the best 1.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.24 05:05:00 - [212] Reachok - EXACTLY!!!! We r not asking for UBER region with tons of station to conquire (we can make them) We r not asking for milion of complexes - we will buy our faction gear We r not asking for hawlers spawns - we will mine our mins All we ask is - give us mining back!!! Mining SHOULD BE GIVEN EVERYWHERE; i was born with 1 lasor and 1 mining lasor; and u cuted that mining lasor of now! As u can see from top we have to work for everything what other regions have. So it is harder already. What we r doing atm is miracle and suported by capital wic was secured b4 patch for plaining in new region. Enable our mining! to compensate no hawlers no station no nothing! Oh as wel as l8tlly no rating since u fixed intentionally our drons wich dont drop alloys now. I guess it is suposed to be that way!
Breyghun Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2007.03.24 10:18:00 - [213] Originally by: Breyghun keeping it simple; 1. The new Regions exist. There has been an impact on mineral prices. Adapt to prosper. Remember to factor in the whole value of a drone (including Salvage). 2. Gaming excitement and challenge. Yup the drones are a little tougher and it's harder to make a living out there but that's fun! 3. Faction stuff. Yeah this is needed. Storyline stuff about Drone Commanders showing up makes good sense. Perhaps the discovery of a Cyborg race may provide a future expansion opportunity? 4. Exploration. Well these are new regions so it figures that there should be interesting stuff to discover. Say arc sites with mysterious drone buildings. 5. Mining. I don't see why the roids shouldn't behave the same as everywhere else in the game. So there it is, my two penneth of what I reckon needs to be in but get over "fixing the new regions". Zyd prices will soon recover if enough people "move along". My original shopping list for the new regions with an extra since patch; 6. All drones should drop alloys. schlepp, schlock, schmaltz, scmooze, ****** are all the words you need in life.*
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.24 11:49:00 - [214] Yea this new fix with drones drop is perfect bug fix!!! Everybody feel free to start training station walking in Dark Matter ParadoX; thats onllything what we can hope for in future; we probablly will be able to kick each others asses wheil walking around so no more need for ship building, mining, ect... THX ccp DMC is recruting GMS; all of them welcomed; entrance fee T2 BPO and 1 fix from our bug list. Seniors perfered!
jonus Rath EON Order Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.03.24 11:56:00 - [215] Besides of the broken roids. What else one can do if bored with drones? Exploring! We've got the promise that the complexes will be fixed in the 1.4 patch. Well, we scanned many of these plexes since, which usually takes 2-3 hours to find in average. Then we kill some frigs, some BS in about 20 mins and game over. These plexes still doesn't give us exploration. It's not enough that these drones are unworthy to loot, but they aren't giving fun either. Now I can live without their drops, but for christ sake at least give us the fun factor by simply fixing these plexes!
Dedalos Gallente ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.24 12:52:00 - [216] ccp might be right and they did everything on purpose ! however, i would like to see a proper story line behind all this negative effect of the drones and the reason why. Also I understand that it was your intention to have the high end minerals prices drop due to the new region, however i dont understand why now we have half of the spawns, we have have of the loot and its taking twice the time for the drones to respawn. ( after last 2 patches ) i understand that you are possibly busy working in the expansion of eve and better faster graphics , which i have to say , yes the game is getting better and faster, but it will be nice to see some more information as we have alot of people living in the drone region, and by answering with story line or bug solutions it will stop topics like this one Thanks Dedalos
Nache1 Minmatar Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.24 18:49:00 - [217] We'd like an answer, CCP.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.25 07:35:00 - [218] Still recruting GMs to get some love in our space!
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.03.25 17:56:00 - [219] Been away a few days... Guess the roids are still not fixed... :S When`s 1.4 due?
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.25 18:46:00 - [220] Originally by: Rikeka Been away a few days... Guess the roids are still not fixed... :S When`s 1.4 due? Been and gone. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:47:00 - [221] Err... So I am to believe the promised ¿Roid Patch¿ was not delivered? This is kinda getting ridiculous.
Thoric Frosthammer Fallen Angels Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.26 18:01:00 - [222] Well, I think their idea of what was wrong with the roids and everyone else's were way different i'm afraid. Hell I'm not even asking for all the roids to be fixed. Just fix Veld and Scordite and I can deal with the rest. Missing low ends isn't like missing say, arkanor in your region, and not being able to get megacyte. You can ship megacyte easily, enough for weeks of building in a single trip. Low ends are bulky as hell.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.26 21:25:00 - [223] No more CCP coments - r we costumers or we r not??? From what we get frome them i guess not; accept paying broken game!
Snake Doctor	Posted - 2007.03.26 22:39:00 - [224] Originally by: Cruel Fox No more CCP coments - r we costumers or we r not??? From what we get frome them i guess not; accept paying broken game! (A little realisim here...) Maybe if everyone wasn't foaming at the mouth, the Devs would read this stupid thread. I keep telling you, it's already run its course. They already answered. Kill this one and start a better formed, less irritating one? Rifter Flight Manual!
Eliax Gallente Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.27 13:50:00 - [225] Edited by: Eliax on 27/03/2007 13:48:44 There allready 2 topics (maybe more) about this, and the other one still didn't get any reply from CCP and is a few pages shorter then this one... (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=443400&page=6) Don't think another new post is going to make a difference. Originally by: CCP Oveur * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong Not fixed. - Mined old crokite roids away after patch. - Waited till respawn (friday after DT), Roid depleted after using 1x Strip miner I for 2 cycles. - Waited till second respawn (monday after DT), Roid depleted after using 1x Strip miner I for 1 cycle. Conclusion: Nothing changed in G5KW region. edit: forgot ")"
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.27 15:21:00 - [226] I dont like small soft kittens, so here is another +1
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.27 17:14:00 - [227] We keep bumping our heads against a wall here.... Without better asteroids, we cannot build an economy in the New Regions. No Economy means no Players and no ability to defend space. I'd like to see Exploration fixed, but its the lack of low ends that is preventing development.
Sphynix	Posted - 2007.03.27 17:41:00 - [228] I'd actually like them to "fix" roids so they showed their relative size. The planet sized Veldspar is all nice and shiney to look at but when it holds 150k m3 as max and respawns with a mere 20k m3 and spawns at the warp in point so you get chucked out at 5000km/s its annoying. Make them a relative size and they'll be pebble boulders. You instantly fix the annoying bug with drones bouncing out of roids for +200km and can see at-a-glance if its worth even attempting to clear a belt. If they really wanted to fix the drone drops then they just need to reduce the amount of Plush that gets dropped (and some of the others) and introduce a new alloy that is basically a super condensed trit/pyrite. Or are all these Drone BS's made from nothing but a few low ends and a load of high ends? Now you solve the crashing market price (aka bounties) and the issue of having to mine low ends.
Gort Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.27 17:59:00 - [229] I love it when an orphan alt says "I made billions in a few seconds; move along, nothing to see here." OP has a point. If you aren't associated with the new regions, your input is of lesser weight. Not none. I said "lesser." If you are an alt posting here, it's maybe none, tho. Token disclosure: I didn't read past the first several pages, and also doubt whether much of this will reach a functional level on the devs huge list of things to do. Too bad, really. But the pace of "roll out new" is largely overwhelming the "go back and fix it" process. That's really pretty typical of the IT industry. Gort sends, Low-tech sig: "When in doubt, empty the magazine."
Zy'or Tealon Caldari DarkStar 1 Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.27 22:01:00 - [230] Originally by: CCP Oveur * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Should be fixed in 1.4 * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong Now who was that 'new' Quality Assurance Manager who started of with a nice blog about Testing of new functionality, Unit Testing and Regression Testing? Did CCP boot him for being too much a pain in the rear end? Because there wouldn't be any patches for 2 years if he kept his job? Ovuer: GO CHECK YOUR GAME FIRST BEFORE YOU SAY STUFF IS FIXED! Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. And lay off the booze when you're on the job responding to paying customers who voice their concern about your product! Originally by: Clementina If you bug report it, you get ignored. If you post about it on the forums, you get banned. If you exploit it, you get rich.
UnIQu3 Amarr DarkStar 1	Posted - 2007.03.27 22:08:00 - [231] Originally by: Zy'or Tealon Originally by: CCP Oveur * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Should be fixed in 1.4 * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong Now who was that 'new' Quality Assurance Manager who started of with a nice blog about Testing of new functionality, Unit Testing and Regression Testing? Did CCP boot him for being too much a pain in the rear end? Because there wouldn't be any patches for 2 years if he kept his job? Ovuer: GO CHECK YOUR GAME FIRST BEFORE YOU SAY STUFF IS FIXED! Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. And lay off the booze when you're on the job responding to paying customers who voice their concern about your product! Those roids in the new region aint fixed... And oveur's suggestion about picking a other system, is like wtf? we have to move to a hole new region...
Chiggarnant Amarr Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.27 22:19:00 - [232] Edited by: Chiggarnant on 27/03/2007 22:15:39 Hmmm, wow 4 to 5 months into the game and the new regions are still broke. As far as customer server goes, believe CCP said all thru Oveur. That they dont care that they made broke regions from the start of Revelations. Exploration-Laughable Asteroid Belts-Pathelic Drones-Completely Dependent on the eve market, horrifying. In short, yes the new regions are very distinctive from all the other 5000 solar systems. You ask how is it, i can sum it up in one word, broken. CCP if this is truly the way you envisioned the new regions to be, a whole regions, then i hate to see what else you have envisioned Disclaimer-Not meant to be a rant, but trying to tell it how it is and like any other business, without customers it aint gonna do much now is it. This from a very, very concerned customer of 1.7 years.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.27 23:02:00 - [233] To the people who don't know the new regions so well. Money making opportunities are - Ratting, and only ratting. And that produces Zydrine and Nocxium mainly. Mining is possible in small amounts - forget using a barge. However, for some reason all rocks are spawning with about 5% of the ore in them that they would have in any other region. There's no other way to make money, so the new regions are really hit hard by depressed mineral prices. The main thing is the asteroids though, they're broken and need fixed. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.27 23:03:00 - [234] Edited by: Soporo on 27/03/2007 23:01:35 Anything Mining related is so far off CCP's radar it isnt even funny. They are busy cornholing Missioners and farting around with the need for speed deal, and creating new uber gank targets in Empire. Do DEV's mine? Even after seeing as how we know they are in the game "all playing on the same level as everyone else"..cough... I somehow very much doubt it. Fix the Drone regions, yes, the roids are idiotic. Also stop the "mining with guns" mentality please. Please review other huge thread asking for sensible, and much overlooked Mining changes.
Amelia Ryan Gallente Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.27 23:07:00 - [235] 13000 views, soon this topic got more views then the sticky's! Says something doesn't it.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.27 23:49:00 - [236] Lots of things in the new regions are broken. Take the outpost we took over. We cannot rent any offices in it, the previous corps offices automatically reneweed without them being charged any rent (one is a bob corp - big surprise there [insert own tin foil related hilarious comment here]) so we have now held this outpost for weeks and no-one can get an office there despite the fact we hold it - yeah that makes loads of sense. Would help if we could actually get a response to our petitions other than "someone is already eptititoing this so stop making more petitions" - we wouldnt need to if u would answer the ******* thing!!!!!!! /rant off
Zigg Omelo eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.28 00:43:00 - [237] Edited by: Zigg Omelo on 28/03/2007 00:42:06 The new region i live in has so far, not been improved since launch. The amount of alloys/mineral composition is a bit off, way too much zyd and nocx for it to be a healthy balance. just look at what the alloys refine into and and make it a bit more similar to what gets refined by other loot/modules dropping form npc's. We may soon start to redefine the term high end mineral. it screws mining in all other regions. Exploration: i still have to see more than magnometric sites, maybe a rare exception with another type, its either belts or bugged drone sites. The Roids respawn with much less than what is normal in any other region in this game!!! how does this fit in with the storyline. it doesn't. deserves a fix Many asteroid belts are "hidden". the belt and warp in point is different. Station in the new region is clearly bugged. the offices re-rent every downtime for -- isk and goes like this in an infinite loop. and somehow its hard for ccp to see this as a griefing tactic to abuse game bugs when one cannot get the offices unrented by the corporations involved, set to -10 by the station owner. Fix your BLOODY database CCP In other news, good work ccp. keep it up. we have betting going on how many new features we will see in game before the first issue among many in this thread gets a fix /rant Stupid dont have any friends
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.03.28 02:41:00 - [238] A BUMP for the cause! Just tried mining a bit. Roids still broken.
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.28 03:10:00 - [239] ffs is it going to take an act of congress (american here) to get this resolved ? for 45$/mo, my dsl gets fixed if it gets bugged and that's including a truck roll...... how about training some T2 customer support skill books and distributing them ???? Or call SOE and do a case study on why they failed ffs ?......
Kodiak31415 An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.28 07:26:00 - [240] Figure I should throw in my $.02 and a flame for good measure... Problems with drone regions: Roids not respawning: This got fixed in the last patch....oh wait, no it didn't Rats:The rats are worth more than rats from other regions, with the zyd drop this margin is now very slim. And we still have to truck our loot all the way to empire to make much of a profit. Add in a lack of faction/officer/hauler spawns and rats that are aometimes 1,000's of KM's off the warp in point and you can see where the frustration is coming from. Exploration: The paths now escalate properly, sweet!....oh wait, 'escalated paths' require the path to auctually be there in the first place. This stuff needs to get fixed, prefreably before I die of old age. flame starts here And as far as going to one of the other 5000 systems out there, how about I just go to one of the 5000 other mmo's out there. One where the devs don't smacktalk to their customers who are pointing out major flaws with their game. Keep the customer bashing in the office and off the forums please. (Even if we are whiny little brats who tell you thousands of times a day exactly what you're doing wrong) Flame ends here _______________________________ Idea stolen from DS: Pleese exucse any seplling erroos in this psot
Reachok Amarr Low Grade Ore Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.03.28 10:57:00 - [241] When the one thing that allowed us to make money was stealth nerfed previous to the 1.4 patch, that says it all. That being the compound drops from the rats themselves . BS drones almost always dropped at least 300m3 or better in compounds. Then suddenly they drop 1/3 to 1/2 less. It's like if your kid says he's cold you take his jacket from him because he's complaining that it's too thin. Now he has no jacket at all and is even colder. I can confirm that the exploration belts are using the same broken game mechanic as the normal space roids. I scanned 30-90 sized bistot rocks in an exploration belt over the past weekend. It didn't take long before I'd popped all the roids. I finished it mainly so it would disappear and prevent someone else from wasting their time looking for it.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.03.28 16:49:00 - [242] Seriously, I sometimes think that CCP is trying to evict us from the Drone Regions. Aside of Oveur`s comment (POTBS is just arund the corner, so that was infortunate), I think they want make us all quit the Drone Regions, then fix the Drone Regions and colonize it themselves!
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.28 17:17:00 - [243] Originally by: Rikeka Seriously, I sometimes think that CCP is trying to evict us from the Drone Regions. Aside of Oveur`s comment (POTBS is just arund the corner, so that was infortunate), I think they want make us all quit the Drone Regions, then fix the Drone Regions and colonize it themselves! Please not more tinfoil hat stuff :P Think folks have had enough of that Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
SirMolly Cataclysm Enterprises	Posted - 2007.03.28 17:29:00 - [244] Looks like ccp doesnt care :)
Chiggarnant Amarr Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.29 00:48:00 - [245] Edited by: Chiggarnant on 29/03/2007 00:46:31 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=498791 post here if you can
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.29 13:12:00 - [246] Oveur, the fixes you said would be coming... have not. It's very frustrating waiting for a response. Galaxian Recruitment Info
heheheh Singularity.	Posted - 2007.03.29 13:39:00 - [247] cant beleive you lot are still complaining. Just move on for gods sake, there is sooo much space, why stay in one crappy place and keep moaning about how crap it is ? if you dont like it, move out, easy as, and yes it really is.
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.29 14:00:00 - [248] Originally by: heheheh cant beleive you lot are still complaining. Just move on for gods sake, there is sooo much space, why stay in one crappy place and keep moaning about how crap it is ? if you dont like it, move out, easy as, and yes it really is. Because we have spent 100 billion on it building our Outposts? People saying that we should just "leave" are complete ignorents!! Ohh yea, BUMP! Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Forlani Tristania Gallente Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.29 14:27:00 - [249] Ratel Alliance has had similar issues with dedicated miners being forced to ignore the A-B-C ores in favor of the low-ends, low yield from most roids, and the lack of sustained production in the Drone Regions. I assumed that the roid yields are the way they are because those damn sneaky drones are out mining our rocks in the night, stealing our ore to make more drones to replace the ones our ratters killed during the day . Anyhow, it is quite apparent that CCP feels that the regions are performing as expected. As such, we shouldn't expect much in the way of tweaking
Lea Re The Descent	Posted - 2007.03.29 15:44:00 - [250] Edited by: Lea Re on 29/03/2007 15:42:22 Edited by: Lea Re on 29/03/2007 15:41:15 q:oh dear god, why didnt you create more water in the deserts ? a:well, cause they are deserts EVE is not an evenly spread 'everyone get the same' kind of world. when it comes to low-end minerals... alliances work as teams, if you have to spend more time gaining them, you devote more members to the task. oth its easier to obtain high end mins there just by pve'ing which is imposiible in other regions on that scale. edit: i must agree with the 'fix broken stuff' statement tho. hope theyll fix it for you i used to live in new regions and was able to make a very decent living. adapt edit: altho i definitely agree... broken stuff must be fixed
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.29 16:15:00 - [251] Originally by: Lea Re Edited by: Lea Re on 29/03/2007 15:42:22 Edited by: Lea Re on 29/03/2007 15:41:15 q:oh dear god, why didnt you create more water in the deserts ? a:well, cause they are deserts EVE is not an evenly spread 'everyone get the same' kind of world. when it comes to low-end minerals... alliances work as teams, if you have to spend more time gaining them, you devote more members to the task. oth its easier to obtain high end mins there just by pve'ing which is imposiible in other regions on that scale. edit: i must agree with the 'fix broken stuff' statement tho. hope theyll fix it for you i used to live in new regions and was able to make a very decent living. adapt edit: altho i definitely agree... broken stuff must be fixed Its called Gameplay Balancing!. Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Turin Caldari RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.03.29 16:50:00 - [252] Originally by: Snake Doctor Some of us want the challenge, that's why we went out there. If we wanted another GW or Venal or some region well endowed with tons of **** everyone wants, we'd move there. Really, back off on the accusations of trolling--- when someone comes to your own little quiet lake and petittions that they steam roll right over it in favor of a wal-mart, you'd have something to say about it too. Well, here is the problem. Some big alliance who has all the minerals at thier disposal, and can actually build fleets, is going to STEAM ROLL YOU like your a 2 man mom and pop shop in the way of the afore mentioned walmart. Youll find out how difficult it is when people with proper resources are kicking your arse. ________________________________________________________
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.29 23:30:00 - [253] It's a busy forum, but this topic should stay prominent. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 01:54:00 - [254] Originally by: Snake Doctor This thread reeks of old news and burnt cabbage. No one is ever very constructive on this topic. And you, my friend are leading the pack... if you think there's nothing wrong with the new regions and unless you're payed by CCP stop putting posts that contribute nothing whatsoever to the discussion -= Recruitment post =-
heheheh Singularity.	Posted - 2007.03.30 02:53:00 - [255] Originally by: NeoTech Originally by: heheheh cant beleive you lot are still complaining. Just move on for gods sake, there is sooo much space, why stay in one crappy place and keep moaning about how crap it is ? if you dont like it, move out, easy as, and yes it really is. Because we have spent 100 billion on it building our Outposts? People saying that we should just "leave" are complete ignorents!! Ohh yea, BUMP! Ignorant i may be, but you are downright stupid if you spent 100 bilion on outposts in a region you knew was crap !
Pherusa Plumosa Minmatar Freedom for All The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.03.30 03:47:00 - [256] Hi, it seems, POSes are also buggier as usual. In our pos and in our neighbor systems, we can't use modules in high slots after changing them at the ship maintenance array. I didn't had this bug in other regions before. Thread 1 Thread 2 Greetings, Pherusa
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.03.30 04:07:00 - [257] It`s ok there are no plexes in the Drone Regions. In fact, I hope it keeps being that way. THe only problem in the regions is the roids issue, and the exploration problem it has. That`s about it.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.30 10:30:00 - [258] No point to post anymore since we r repeating things ower and ower again; i sugest to send reimbusment for all miner accounts not being able to play!!!! They r taking away mining ability to miners so let them give us money back then! (oh - no one is forcing our miners to be in new region - damn how can i be so stupid)
XLR Eight	Posted - 2007.03.30 11:14:00 - [259] Originally by: Cruel Fox No point to post anymore since we r repeating things ower and ower again; i sugest to send reimbusment for all miner accounts not being able to play!!!! They r taking away mining ability to miners so let them give us money back then! (oh - no one is forcing our miners to be in new region - damn how can i be so stupid) I agree. Is there any other way to make some noise and get the dev's attention? I guess only money will make them act, in a form of response at least. If we'd just advertise our views in a popular game magazine. Make their editor's attention would be way much more easy compared to our customer service. Make them write abour us, paying customer's concerns. How about an independent review by players. The future subscribers are deserve to know what awaits for them once they get bored in empire mission running, before they wasting months, years into their account. This topic and many other says this all, but here, it doesn't make enough noise to bring the desired attention. It might be a silly idea, but nothing else I can think of ATM but a revolution.
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 15:12:00 - [260] Find online reviews where you can "talkback" on the article and state EVE's current problems. Perfectly legal and it ammounts to basically getting real bad press. Even make an eve ranting page, where everyone can go and rant a bit (constructively, of course). -= Recruitment post =-
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.03.30 15:54:00 - [261] CCP: We're in ur regions... > Shrinkin' ur rocks > Messin with ur rats > Fudging ur economy > Nerfin' ur miners > Mockin' ur efforts > Tellin' u to adapt Seriously the new regions are as far as I can see the worst thing CCP have ever managed to do. Sure POS and blob warfare is boring and a few ships need major tweaking and drones are FUBAR and, and, and... but with these regions they have wasted the time and effort of a great many players, messed up an entire profession, and turned the universe on it's head. Mining with guns and missiles was NEVER going to work. Introducing a region with more bugs than the brazilian rainforest was NEVER going to work. Messing with the drop rates only messes with the players in those regions. The grand experiment has failed and who ever came up with the idea needs errm... a stern talking to. The idea is flawed and the execution disastrous.
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.03.30 17:45:00 - [262] I would like to know if the asteroids are fixed :) I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Rick Thwaites A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.30 18:44:00 - [263] I am finding problems with the respawn rates of the Drone NPCs, still. I was recently ratting in an 8 or so belt system. Was no less than 8, and I was flying around each belt, and there were no rats in any of the belts for 15 to 20 minutes. Now admittedly, I do kill them fast, because I was a mission runner, but isn't that outrageous? Me killing the last one in an 8 or more belt system and having to wait at least 10 mins (usually takes about a minute per spawn, to kill just the BS ones), sometimes with friends in the systems (who will kill the cruisers and frigs), and still have to wait? I think there might be something wrong with the respawn rate... --
Gort Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.30 20:14:00 - [264] Originally by: heheheh cant beleive you lot are still complaining. Just move on for gods sake, there is sooo much space, why stay in one crappy place and keep moaning about how crap it is ? if you dont like it, move out, easy as, and yes it really is. Sure, let's do that. Then it can be fixed when you-know-who moves in... Low-tech sig: "When in doubt, empty the magazine."
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.30 21:45:00 - [265] Well if CCP wants to keep the regions as is can we at least change the names?
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.30 22:00:00 - [266] Originally by: Xelios Well if CCP wants to keep the regions as is can we at least change the names? OOh. I get to be Libya! Colonel Gadaffi is a nutter :) Galaxian Recruitment Info
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.03.30 22:12:00 - [267] LOL, nice.
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.03.31 00:04:00 - [268] Originally by: Xelios Well if CCP wants to keep the regions as is can we at least change the names? LOl. I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.03.31 00:44:00 - [269] Originally by: Xelios Well if CCP wants to keep the regions as is can we at least change the names? Quality, I nearly choked on my coffee.
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 03:53:00 - [270] Doesnt matter if we're repeating ourselves. Need to keep this thread alive until CCP acknowledges us! -= Recruitment post =-
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.31 16:21:00 - [271] Originally by: Hexman Doesnt matter if we're repeating ourselves. Need to keep this thread alive until CCP acknowledges us! I agree. Galaxian Recruitment Info
heheheh Singularity. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.03.31 16:24:00 - [272] Edited by: heheheh on 31/03/2007 16:20:40 Originally by: Hexman Doesnt matter if we're repeating ourselves. Need to keep this thread alive until CCP acknowledges us! :S Aknowledge that some people/corps/alliances made mistakes and set up home in a region they know is a poor one is all they will do. oh hang on a minute, they did already ....
Blade Bleed	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:10:00 - [273] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf CCP: We're in ur regions... > Shrinkin' ur rocks > Messin with ur rats > Fudging ur economy > Nerfin' ur miners > Mockin' ur efforts > Tellin' u to adapt Seriously the new regions are as far as I can see the worst thing CCP have ever managed to do. Sure POS and blob warfare is boring and a few ships need major tweaking and drones are FUBAR and, and, and... but with these regions they have wasted the time and effort of a great many players, messed up an entire profession, and turned the universe on it's head. Mining with guns and missiles was NEVER going to work. Introducing a region with more bugs than the brazilian rainforest was NEVER going to work. Messing with the drop rates only messes with the players in those regions. The grand experiment has failed and who ever came up with the idea needs errm... a stern talking to. The idea is flawed and the execution disastrous. Best post ever! seriously excellent points. New regions are a mess, utterly and totally.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.31 18:30:00 - [274] Originally by: heheheh Edited by: heheheh on 31/03/2007 16:20:40 Originally by: Hexman Doesnt matter if we're repeating ourselves. Need to keep this thread alive until CCP acknowledges us! :S Aknowledge that some people/corps/alliances made mistakes and set up home in a region they know is a poor one is all they will do. oh hang on a minute, they did already .... Yeah that's exactly how it happened... "Hey those regions look really crappy, lets move in there!" The drones were worth the time initially, now they're worth less than other npc's but require much more effort. We didn't know the belts were broken until we started mining ops once our refinery was up (we didn't exactly do regular mining ops before that with the nearest refinery 15 jumps away). Once we found out the belts were broken we expected CCP to fix them, since it's a very serious bug. That was 4 months ago. Exploration wasn't implemented when we moved into the regions, so we couldn't have known how badly they'd get shafted when it was. Go troll somewhere else.
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.31 18:34:00 - [275] /signed And /signed to the other 10 posts about this same subject. It might be a good idea to round up some talk-back websites that will let us express what's wrong with this region.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.01 03:04:00 - [276] Originally by: heheheh Edited by: heheheh on 31/03/2007 16:20:40 Originally by: Hexman Doesnt matter if we're repeating ourselves. Need to keep this thread alive until CCP acknowledges us! :S Aknowledge that some people/corps/alliances made mistakes and set up home in a region they know is a poor one is all they will do. oh hang on a minute, they did already .... Ah! You are so right! After all, when your allince moves to a new region, they expect everything to work in order there: Roids/Rats/Exploration. And you are different than us, because... See? STFU! A bump for the cause: Viva la Resistance!
Ademius Knortak A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.01 16:49:00 - [277] /signed fix at least the damn roids and exploration sites or you soon can count tumbleweeds out here
Sandzibarr A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.01 18:42:00 - [278] Edited by: Sandzibarr on 01/04/2007 18:40:43 Originally by: Xelios Well if CCP wants to keep the regions as is can we at least change the names? rofl. I can just see Oveur working within the UN or Red Cross. "pfft your country is poor? stfu and move to one of the 50 richer ones then".
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.02 02:32:00 - [279] Libya demands a response! :P Galaxian Recruitment Info
Chiggarnant Amarr Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.02 04:28:00 - [280] As does Ethiopia
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.04.02 06:55:00 - [281] Originally by: Xelios Well if CCP wants to keep the regions as is can we at least change the names? You just won eve! Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
MailFan Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.02 08:48:00 - [282] Somalia confirms that they did not get the promised Food supplies. We're starving! -- I'm in this mood because of scorn. I'm in a mood for total war
u die Minmatar Sugarcane Technologies	Posted - 2007.04.02 10:11:00 - [283] Edited by: u die on 02/04/2007 10:08:03 How about all the complainers kill BoB and they can have Delve? Oh, wait... Seriously: Oveur already told you what will be fixed and what wont be fixed. Thats it, noone forced anyone to move into a broken region. If it is THAT BAD, get into low sec and chill IMHO. Call a region BROKEN just because not as rewarding as other regions? Now hold on, wait a sec and start thinking. If the new regions would be more valuable, than regions in general, all the homeless alliances would fight you to grab just a single solar system. Be happy with the southern war and start building infrastructure, the war wont last for ever and I'm damn sure, someone will take away your "crappy", "broken" region after that. ________________________________________________
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.02 11:37:00 - [284] Originally by: u die Edited by: u die on 02/04/2007 10:08:03 How about all the complainers kill BoB and they can have Delve? Oh, wait... Seriously: Oveur already told you what will be fixed and what wont be fixed. Thats it, noone forced anyone to move into a broken region. If it is THAT BAD, get into low sec and chill IMHO. Call a region BROKEN just because not as rewarding as other regions? Now hold on, wait a sec and start thinking. If the new regions would be more valuable, than regions in general, all the homeless alliances would fight you to grab just a single solar system. Be happy with the southern war and start building infrastructure, the war wont last for ever and I'm damn sure, someone will take away your "crappy", "broken" region after that. What about u going and post what u r familiar with? And r u talking after the fact when space will have stations so it wont be so damn worthles anymore? Sure they can get interested in it - i would - but fact still stands REGIONS R BROKEN!
u die Minmatar Sugarcane Technologies	Posted - 2007.04.02 12:40:00 - [285] Originally by: Cruel Fox Originally by: u die Edited by: u die on 02/04/2007 10:08:03 How about all the complainers kill BoB and they can have Delve? Oh, wait... Seriously: Oveur already told you what will be fixed and what wont be fixed. Thats it, noone forced anyone to move into a broken region. If it is THAT BAD, get into low sec and chill IMHO. Call a region BROKEN just because not as rewarding as other regions? Now hold on, wait a sec and start thinking. If the new regions would be more valuable, than regions in general, all the homeless alliances would fight you to grab just a single solar system. Be happy with the southern war and start building infrastructure, the war wont last for ever and I'm damn sure, someone will take away your "crappy", "broken" region after that. What about u going and post what u r familiar with? And r u talking after the fact when space will have stations so it wont be so damn worthles anymore? Sure they can get interested in it - i would - but fact still stands REGIONS R BROKEN! WTS clue, real cheap. I'm talking about the fact if those regions are THAT BROKEN, move into a better one and let other people in, who are happy with a BROKEN region. Or just continue telling the people how worthless is your high-end ore factory. Calling something BROKEN (with capitals) just because it's not like the way you want, qualifies you, don't you agree? ________________________________________________
Marcus Ren Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.02 12:59:00 - [286] Edited by: Marcus Ren on 02/04/2007 12:55:45 U die care to tell me what's wrong with asking for belts to be fixed ? I mean honestly, did you ever try to make a living out here, or are you just another forumtroll trying to get some attention. Many of us invested a lot of time and isk into new infrastructure, so it's really not asked to much to have properly working belts available. Regards Marcus ffs. wrong char again
Cleric JohnPreston	Posted - 2007.04.02 13:22:00 - [287] WEll they can stick the drone region up their ass *****s. Weve moved out cos its simply not worth the hassle. goodluck to those who are staying.
u die Minmatar Sugarcane Technologies	Posted - 2007.04.02 13:42:00 - [288] Originally by: Marcus Ren Edited by: Marcus Ren on 02/04/2007 12:55:45 U die care to tell me what's wrong with asking for belts to be fixed ? I mean honestly, did you ever try to make a living out here, or are you just another forumtroll trying to get some attention. Many of us invested a lot of time and isk into new infrastructure, so it's really not asked to much to have properly working belts available. Regards Marcus ffs. wrong char again The OP had valid questions. There were good suggestions in this thread. Then CCP came with a fair answer and a promise (cough nevermind), belts and stuff will be fixed. What wrong is: These regions were made to offer a place for people. Some ppl went there and later started complain how BAD region they got. I agree with the bugs have to be fixed, but I can't agree with some people's attitude. Calling something BROKEN just because its not as good, like others, now thats wrong. Imagine if everyone start demanding to boost their region, just because they don't like it enough. Hats off for those, who build outposts, care logistics and attempt to run a region, where the pioneers have to do everything. But no one asked any of them to go somewhere, where they get 0 ISK bounty, if you see, what I mean. The only reason I started to reply here, I can't stand the "nothing is enough"-attitude. Sorry, if it seemed like "I see no problem here". There are problems and they are called bugs. "No hauler spawns", "not enough tritanium in alloys" (see Veldspar), etc... issues are not bugs, just requests. Requests are fine, demands are not. Thats all my rant about. ________________________________________________
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.02 17:23:00 - [289] Mining s once of your main ocupation in eve right? U get born with miner and gun! And why is miner cuted off in new region U DIE?
u die Minmatar Sugarcane Technologies	Posted - 2007.04.02 18:16:00 - [290] Originally by: Cruel Fox Mining s once of your main ocupation in eve right? U get born with miner and gun! And why is miner cuted off in new region U DIE? I'm flame resistant, sorry (and did not got the point either, what's this mining thing). ________________________________________________
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.02 18:46:00 - [291] I have never seen so much crying about a new feature. They open a new region, and now you're mad because it doesn't fit within your definition of exactly what the region should be? Or are you mad because they're not carbon copies of all the other regions? What the hell is wrong with you people? /headdesk
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.02 18:46:00 - [292] I have never seen so much crying about a new feature. They open a new region, and now you're mad because it doesn't fit within your definition of exactly what the region should be? Or are you mad because they're not carbon copies of all the other regions? What the hell is wrong with you people? /headdesk Your signature has been removed. Please contact us at [email protected] for an explaniation - Kreul Intentions
Frater Perdurabo Amarr The Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria	Posted - 2007.04.02 18:59:00 - [293] I agree partly with u die that some of the things being moaned about, such as the amount of zyd/nox drones give out in loot, and the lack of mods, hauler spawns etc are just **ers moaning about thats working as intended. That said, the roids are not respawning as they should. i.e, they are bugged, so maybe the trolls should stop ignoring this pretty obvious fact. (That was confirmed by CCP i might add) ...And maybe CCP should get off there arse and fix the *** roids, these regions have after all been out for months now. Yes im in a bad mood today, and that lowers my threshold on ignoring ******s (Ecxept myself ) Sig-> I'll think of something funny oneday, in the meantime you just wasted ten seconds reading this.
Frater Perdurabo Amarr The Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria	Posted - 2007.04.02 18:59:00 - [294] Edited by: Frater Perdurabo on 02/04/2007 19:00:20 I agree partly with u die that some of the things being moaned about, such as the amount of zyd/nox drones give out in loot, and the lack of mods, hauler spawns etc are just **ers moaning about thats working as intended. That said, the roids are not respawning as they should. i.e, they are bugged, so maybe the trolls should stop ignoring this pretty obvious fact. (That was confirmed by CCP i might add) ...And maybe CCP should get off there arse and fix the *** roids, these regions have after all been out for months now. Yes im in a bad mood today, and that lowers my threshold on ignoring ******s (Ecxept myself ) EDIT - No i dont live in the new regions. Sig-> I'll think of something funny oneday, in the meantime you just wasted ten seconds reading this.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.02 20:09:00 - [295] Originally by: Wylker I have never seen so much crying about a new feature. They open a new region, and now you're mad because it doesn't fit within your definition of exactly what the region should be? Or are you mad because they're not carbon copies of all the other regions? What the hell is wrong with you people? /headdesk Asteroids are not a new feature. They are broken, we've been told they would be fixed. They have not been. We would like to know when they will be fixed. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.02 20:58:00 - [296] Edited by: Xelios on 02/04/2007 20:54:20 Originally by: Wylker I have never seen so much crying about a new feature. They open a new region, and now you're mad because it doesn't fit within your definition of exactly what the region should be? Or are you mad because they're not carbon copies of all the other regions? /headdesk No, we're mad because mining, the only source for low end minerals in these regions, has been broken for 4 months now.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.02 21:34:00 - [297] Bumping my head against the wall again.... Obviously, some of you posting have no idea of the magnitute of the problem So I'll try to illustrate it for you: We mined TWO ENTIRE BELTS that had not been touched for weeks, and our TOTAL Veld was.... 2 Million Units. 1 Million per belt. In 0.0. That were 'full' size. Now I want to see some of you build an economy with just 2 Million units of Veld. We can barely mine enough to make ammo for the ratters. Building Battleships or Capitals? Out of the question. The other issues can wait, but the Asteroid issue needs adjustments now.
R3dSh1ft Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.02 23:05:00 - [298] Sorry, CCP are too busy using their alts to lagsploit the coalition to allow peaceful alliances in the region to build a credible industry that one day might threaten the Devs ______________________________________
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 00:48:00 - [299] Well, another patch comes and goes, and I still don't see the new regions get fixed. -= Recruitment post =-
Gaunty Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.03 01:12:00 - [300] Aye time to fix the roids so low end mins can be got out in the new regions. And /signed to the other stuff too.
Lo Lightshard	Posted - 2007.04.03 02:52:00 - [301] Originally by: Snake Doctor It's all me me me with some players--- while that's all fine and good for you, this is mmo. If they go ahead and make every change suggested because some player throws a fit, the game will suck for the rest of us. Yeah. I was wondering how the hell I was ever going to afford my Hulk until the patch. Now with low end minerals up and the ship price falling towards half the price it was pre-patch things are looking up. Perhaps CPP doesn't want me to spend two months grinding a belt for my next ship and insurance on the off chance that I turn into a vegetable because of it and am unable to pay for more GTCs? Each droid that gets kicked in 0.0 improves the outlook of us empire/lowsec carebares and that is the whole point.
Bermag Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 09:17:00 - [302] There are two bugs and one design flaw (IMO): Bugs: - Low amount of ore in roids - Drones that fly away at high speed (have seen this happen elsewhere as well but a lot more frequent in drone regions) Design flaw: - Exploration: Exploration sites depends on the NPCs in the region. If you are in a region with Angel NPCs there will be Angel complexes and Angel profession sites. However there are no profession sites for drones. Only thing you can find is asteroid belts and drone complexes. This make drone regions pretty boring. We need something else to do than mine (which we dont do because ore amount is to low) or kill drones for alloys. Suggestion: Add random (other than drones) NPC exploration sites. If there can be drone site sin other regions why not add soem blood, serp, angel, gurista sites in drone regions? If that make drone regions to good then maybe have only one additional NPC exploration site in each region (Guristas in one region, Angels in another etc) It has nothing to do with making it fair for those in drone regions but to make the game more fun. I can live with profits going done in drone regions because of plummeting zyd prices. Other regions will have the same problem (if you are in a system with Crokite then you will suffer from this as wlel, however yuou do have the option to rat for ISK though).
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.03 09:54:00 - [303] New patch - same old story
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.03 10:10:00 - [304] This is **ing me off! Theres a limit to how much bull a paying customer can take!. CCP you lazy bums! GET IT FIXED NOW!! Originally by:** DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.03 13:28:00 - [305] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 03/04/2007 13:31:47 I guess we can go back to L2; no bul**** like this there! We have more views then any other threat here; most replays; that should speak for itselves!
Heraku Oerlikon Contraves Aerospace	Posted - 2007.04.03 13:40:00 - [306] Hellooo CCP wake up.... Could we get properly working belts pretty please ? Or at least a statement that it's working as intended, so we can pack our bags and move on. Regards Heraku
01101100011101 INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.03 13:57:00 - [307] Every region has its advantages and disadvantages, every region is set to have a little something which requires the interaction with another region. That's the way it's always been. Now, not getting into the "omgzydrine" topic, as that is just a matter of supply and demand" there is a core imbalance here. Each region is fully self sufficient in design, requiring only very little manpower & effort to make up for specific shortages on a regional level (as the resources seeded low are essentially available within the region). Except the drone regions. I can only point to the myriad of complications due to silly things like negative ore volumes, or ore volumes of less then a miner I cycle, etc. All the little glitches and hickups, overshadow the bigger issue though folks. EVE in deep space is a race. A perpetual race between factions, alliances, relationships, love, war, you know the drill. That race is out of balance for the new regions. When push comes to shove any other region in deep space has the innate means for self sufficiency to engage on any kind of project, challenge or venture players can come up with. Sure each region has its challenges in resource management, but manpower and effort are enough to overcome those. The new regions in their current state are quite simply not able to provide for the needs of the factions there in the eternal competition with pretty much any other place. Now it's perfectly fine to insult subscribers these days, so sure folks could pack up and choose from any one of 5000 other systems or regions or whatever, but let's face it ... CCP threw in the new regions as a drive to create more conflict (as it should be) but in not paying attention have lost perspective on balancing the matter. That has a direct consequence for subscribers. Folks aren't going on about the hauler spawn crap. As said before, some regions just have different traits then others. But after having lived, worked and fought in pretty much every region in EVE I can say that the drone regions are - to put it mildly - not regions where folks can compete with other regions in the bulk of available game perspectives that people choose. Look, I don't care if Oveur had a bad choice of words, an odd sense of humour or if TomB stole his coffee that morning. What I do care about is the folks to invest time and energy to take on the challenges in the new regions. And things just aren't right. I know, the drone regions were designed as a buffer and a place for POS stuff and rigs and to an extent as an area somewhat outside (at least for a while) the usual player driven faction / war stuff. But you have to accept that the game has gotten to a point where many things, even more and more, are driven by subscribers using the content made available to them. When they point out actual issues, taking the approach of "yeah well but that's not what we planned for" is not a good precedent. It is perfectly acceptable to have lower volumes of tritanium resources available, like for instance nocxium in other places. But any other region can put in some manpower and compensate through investing a bit more time. Out in the drone regions however the sheer amount of negative ore roids are staggering, the sheer amount of roids incapable of sustaining a single cycle in spite of a 30K diameter are staggering. All this and other glitches result in an environment where people can make do, but just barely. And only through extreme efforts which impact gameplay for a whole variety of available game perspectives. When push comes to shove, nobody in the new regions can match the deep space races and challenges typically around. So, you tell me. Are the new regions just a parking ground for the time being for people to build station infrastructures so that in a few months folks with a lot more wealth and manpower (considering everyone is turning their back on the new regions) can come in, get some nice infrastructure cheap? :P
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.03 14:06:00 - [308] CCP - If you haven't noticed - we actually have agreement amongst Enemies that the Drone regions are Borked. It takes a very screwed up situation for Enemies to agree on something. But, since you are still ignoring us, let's give you concrete problems to work on: 1> Moon Mining is pretty sucky as well. We do have some decent moons, but I have never seen an area with such an overall lack of Moon Minerals. I would say that the scan results yield about 2/3 of the mineable moons that other regions so. 2> Exploration is so limited that I can no longer get anyone interested in joining gangs for Exploration Complexes. Nothing but Asteroid Belts (with the same low-yield problem as all other belts), or the Drone Hirearchy Complex (Which does not drop anything.) No Archeology or Hacking sites at all. 3> In addition to Drones flying off from asteroid belts at 2k/sec, they also show up at our POS's and at our Outpost. I must admit its funny to see an afk person get popped by Rats while sitting outside our station. But I'm sure that's not what was intended. Its also a bit disconcerning to be fueling a POS while Rats are bumping the shields trying to get in and kill you.
Bartholomeus Crane Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.04.03 14:16:00 - [309] But seriously now: have the new regions been fixed? -- Originally by: Kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
Heraku Oerlikon Contraves Aerospace	Posted - 2007.04.03 14:18:00 - [310] Not with todays patch.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:46:00 - [311] They took TQ down to fix it right now :)
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.04 00:23:00 - [312] So did they? Originally by: Cruel Fox They took TQ down to fix it right now :) -= Recruitment post =-
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.04 03:11:00 - [313] So...?
Heraku Oerlikon Contraves Aerospace	Posted - 2007.04.04 06:56:00 - [314] Nope not fixed yet.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.04 10:01:00 - [315] Originally by: Hexman Edited by: Hexman on 04/04/2007 03:25:42 So did they? Originally by: Cruel Fox They took TQ down to fix it right now :) btw, 0110.... -Excellently put. Unfortunately some of the forum trolls will still not be able to grasp the concept and will keep on trolling with their canned CCP-fanboy responses I was tryin to be sarcastic - dont expect it to happen just like that - althow they admited numerus time that region is broken - looks like they have no intend to fix it. It will take action from all off us - based on complain on product as paying costumer since ingame petitions dont work. I have at least 10 petitions saying we r aware of bugs and doing all we can to fix that - and due the fact they did **** i guess we can start presing on them on other lvl then just posting here. This forum has most views and replays then any other average post wich shows how sirius problem is. And as CCP dose not care about it i find it pointles to post here anymore - with presence we proved and pointed out our things - now is time that someone move this isue to other lvl.
Disteeler Moritso Technologies	Posted - 2007.04.04 11:26:00 - [316] Edited by: Disteeler on 04/04/2007 11:24:06 They fixed something back in one of the lasts patches, at least in the region where I live. There were some asteroid belts absolutely empty, no single asteroid and no single drone there, a pointless asteroid belt. We reported them and those were fixed. Now there are drones and asteroids, but with the usual crappy amounts of mineral that you can pop with a few cicles. The exact line in the patch notes were: An asteroid seeding issue in the G5KW region has been addressed. So, a bit misleading because the major problem is, of course, the low amount of mineral in each of the asteroids and the patch seems to just adressed the empty belts (well, at least it is something...)
Zigg Omelo eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.04 11:27:00 - [317] Originally by: 01101100011101 So, you tell me. Are the new regions just a parking ground for the time being for people to build station infrastructures so that in a few months folks with a lot more wealth and manpower (considering everyone is turning their back on the new regions) can come in, get some nice infrastructure cheap? :P ... mark these words when wars ends ppl will look to new areas, and push even more for a fix. and i agree it smell funneh! Stupid dont have any friends
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.04 13:56:00 - [318] Like what? Something along the lines of This? Originally by: Cruel Fox And as CCP dose not care about it i find it pointles to post here anymore - with presence we proved and pointed out our things - now is time that someone move this isue to other lvl. -= Recruitment post =-
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:47:00 - [319] Edited by: Rikeka on 04/04/2007 14:47:46 Seriously, this I`m starting to wonder: Will there ever be a response for this thread from the devs? (apart of Oveur`s "Don`t like it? Move!" post, of course) I wonder if people who live in other regions pay more than us, and that`s why bugs not as serious as the ones we experience are being fixed before the "Giant Mouse Trap" the Drone Regions really are. Doubt there is a place in the full world of EvE with more bugs on it. If there is a VIP membership, pls say so: I want to upgrade my account, and be able to mine more than 5k trit per roid! See? I want to build myself a shuttle, to escape the horrible destiny this regions are. The horrors... the horrors! Seriously, this is the perfect time to implement outposts that can self-destruct: That way, when an alliance that can pull off serious leverage on the forums, moves to the Drone Regions, we can destroy the outposts, so they can too enjoy the wonders of building something there! Of course, outposts will then misteriously not explode, and then we`ll find out, though a nice RP story in the News section, that an agent of an opposing faction got into the outposts offices, and turned off all detonation devices or something. The day after that, CCP will fix the drone regions for good. The irony is killing me. I`m half drunk, half **ed right now. So don`t mind this post more than what it is: Another shameless bump for the cause!** I just noticed... We, of the Drone Regions, are 2nd class EvE citizens! We probably deserve it: We probably pay less, or something. At least I hope that`s the case. HAHAHAHAHA!
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.04 15:20:00 - [320] I say we spam em good with petitiions Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Sphynix	Posted - 2007.04.04 16:33:00 - [321] So just as a bump and a reminder - the current major issues are: 1) 'Roid regeneration is much lower than everywhere else in 0.0 2) Exploration isn't doing anything besides spawning 'roid belts with extreamly low mineral content and 2 drone complexes that almost never "escalated" anything bigger than 2-3 BS's. Thats about it really...
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.04 22:59:00 - [322] It's unreasonable to think that at least Keiron and co haven't seen this post. And it's unreasonable to think that Oveur has forgotten about it. It's horrific customer service to ignore this. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.04 23:04:00 - [323] capitalist pigs! -= Recruitment post =-
Klorthos	Posted - 2007.04.05 00:39:00 - [324] sheesh this is pathetic took me 12 min to pop a 75km diamete veldspar 'moon' in a single covetor, fix this already.
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.05 05:30:00 - [325] Hey Stamm, nice to see you're still on the job. Developers, we're not making this up, our asteroids are crap. It's more profitable to mine in empire than our systems that have arknor in them, why? There's not really any ark, just a cruel joke to poeple who try to mine it. Please check ore content in our systems and compare it to other systems. Unless it was part of the plan for the belts our rocks not to have proper amounts of minerals in them. And if that's the case, let us know, so we can plan accordingly. -Bart
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.05 05:35:00 - [326] Edited by: Rikeka on 05/04/2007 05:33:08 [rant] Been asked to make a new funny post, so I got drunk again, been sitted in front of the PC, hands on the keyboard... I have no idea what to write, I let down my fans. BOOHOOOO! So, instead, we`ll play a new game, which is: ¿Why CCP is ignoring us?¿ They want us to have a poor infraestructure, and with the less amount of Tritanium possible, so we cannot build shuttles to escape! Then, they`ll invade us from Jove space in sweet Polaris frigs! Now, yeah: We`ll get lotsa of hate posts here, from stupid people who live nowhere close of 50 jumps from a Drone system, thinking that the Drone Regions is a gift from the heavens (Ha! Yeah, right!) for us poor souls, and that we should be praising the mighty mercy of the Jove Devs! Nay, I say! Ignore the fools which talk like thee! [/end of rant]
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.05 05:41:00 - [327] Originally by: Rikeka Now, yeah: We`ll get lotsa of hate posts here, from stupid people who live nowhere close of 50 jumps from a Drone system, thinking that the Drone Regions is a gift from the heavens (Ha! Yeah, right!) for us poor souls, and that we should be praising the mighty mercy of the Jove Devs! Nay, I say! Ignore the fools which talk like thee! Dev's aren't in Jove, according to them, they are spread accross many different alliances. Unfortunetly none are in my alliance so our space won't get fixed. It's funny how one area in the new regions did get their belts fixed.... my best guess is they recruited a dev to get their results since posting in forums, petitioning, and bug reporting don't seem to work for my team. -Bart
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.05 05:46:00 - [328] Originally by: Rikeka Been asked to make a new funny post, so I got drunk again, been sitted in front of the PC, hands on the keyboard... Notice the bold part? And of course, they are not living in the Drone Regions. And everyone knows why: Because of all the problems it has! And devs are not Jove... They are Minmatar! Oooooooh, I crossed a line here.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.05 09:48:00 - [329] Originally by: Sir Bart Please check ore content in our systems and compare it to other systems. Unless it was part of the plan for the belts our rocks not to have proper amounts of minerals in them. And if that's the case, let us know, so we can plan accordingly. -Bart Bart - what u r even trying to say that could be CCP point makes no sence; or to put it other way; if CCP decided to make so small asteriods wich results on disabling mining; then we need another space where there is not posible to fire! No mining in Kali space - then let me see no pew pew somewhere! And dont start with Jita crap! Facts still stays - our mining accounts r disabled - we need money for those back!
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.05 17:30:00 - [330] Dearest Bob: Please invade our Drone Regions. We need you to declare that you intend to control all of the New Regions and move there enmasse. That seems to be the only way we can get CCP to fix problems with our areas. -PJ
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.05 18:01:00 - [331] Originally by: Cruel Fox Originally by: Sir Bart Please check ore content in our systems and compare it to other systems. Unless it was part of the plan for the belts our rocks not to have proper amounts of minerals in them. And if that's the case, let us know, so we can plan accordingly. -Bart Bart - what u r even trying to say that could be CCP point makes no sence; or to put it other way; if CCP decided to make so small asteriods wich results on disabling mining; then we need another space where there is not posible to fire! No mining in Kali space - then let me see no pew pew somewhere! And dont start with Jita crap! Facts still stays - our mining accounts r disabled - we need money for those back! I think what I was trying to say can be figured out by reading my post. However, after trying to read your reply three times, I still don't know what you're saying, please correct your english.... it sounds like you're mad at me but I'm not sure... anyways, I think we're both on the same side and want CCP to fix the belts. -Bart
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.05 20:01:00 - [332] Agreed with Bart, I only got this part: Quote: Facts still stays - our mining accounts r disabled - we need money for those back! I also read this between the lines: Quote: Rikeka is sexy To which I agree.
Verdone Gallente Cotton Buds FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.05 20:48:00 - [333] Fix the drone complexes, half our corp is slicing their wrists after two bugged complexes
Jas Dor Minmatar	Posted - 2007.04.05 21:06:00 - [334] Can somebody fit a roid scanner and post some screenies showing huge roids, low ore. Maybe once the problem becomes 100% clear CCP will do something about it. Names, Dates, Times, Engagements, Losses, Op-Tempo or STFU!
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.05 21:59:00 - [335] Originally by: Sir Bart Originally by: Cruel Fox Originally by: Sir Bart Please check ore content in our systems and compare it to other systems. Unless it was part of the plan for the belts our rocks not to have proper amounts of minerals in them. And if that's the case, let us know, so we can plan accordingly. -Bart Bart - what u r even trying to say that could be CCP point makes no sence; or to put it other way; if CCP decided to make so small asteriods wich results on disabling mining; then we need another space where there is not posible to fire! No mining in Kali space - then let me see no pew pew somewhere! And dont start with Jita crap! Facts still stays - our mining accounts r disabled - we need money for those back! I think what I was trying to say can be figured out by reading my post. However, after trying to read your reply three times, I still don't know what you're saying, please correct your english.... it sounds like you're mad at me but I'm not sure... anyways, I think we're both on the same side and want CCP to fix the belts. -Bart Same page as u r; yes CCP should fix roids; i just said that your idea that CCP would do it intentionally makes no sence since it is DISABLING all mining acounts; and mining is 1 of main ocupation in Eve; u get lasor on nubi ship!
Lookylooklook	Posted - 2007.04.05 22:20:00 - [336] Ultimately I guess it has become clear from CCP that the issue isn't high on their priority list. What would be nice is a simple statement. Either: "The asteriods are intended to be similar in size as other regions and we will fix it eventually for the dedicated few that wish to stick it out." Or: "The asteriods are intended to be much smaller in this area along with the other draw-backs, and we have already fixed things to the extent that we intend. I feel sorry for those that decided to build outposts there. Tough ******* " If statement #1 is the case, this place is going to be invaded something fierce after the Southern war. A bunch of under-funded alliances with a bunch of outposts built up for infrastructure just waiting for displaced entities hardened in war to come pack their fudge. If statement #2 is the case at least people can get on with things and go find one of those 5000 other systems Ovy mentioned.
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.05 22:29:00 - [337] bump Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Biosman ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.05 22:50:00 - [338] Has no-one got back to you guys yet? Do you feel ignored,unwanted by CCP? 10000 shuttles + Jita = NOTICED
Devious Syn	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:29:00 - [339] Originally by: Princess Jodi Dearest Bob: Please invade our Drone Regions. We need you to declare that you intend to control all of the New Regions and move there enmasse. That seems to be the only way we can get CCP to fix problems with our areas. -PJ Seriously, this is all that needs to happen.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.06 09:24:00 - [340] Give us some clarity CCP. 1. Are the drone regions supposed to have extremely small roids making mining of any kind a joke? 2. Why aren't the exploration plexes fixed yet? -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:31:00 - [341] Originally by: Malachon Draco Give us some clarity CCP. 1. Are the drone regions supposed to have extremely small roids making mining of any kind a joke? 2. Why aren't the exploration plexes fixed yet? Straight questions - we need straight answer!
Raptorius Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:17:00 - [342] Bump ffs CCP quit ignoring us!!!!!! Some people have mining skills trained and rely on it for a pvp habit. when they can't mine they will simply move on to somewhere they can. We have enough invested here to find out CCP has messd up bad and we lose great members over it to boot. Wake up CCP
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:59:00 - [343] So ehmmmm.... What are you guys doing tonight? Any partys or something going on? Ohh yea, and bump. Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Darkcommander Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.06 18:57:00 - [344] I wonder why CCP even introduced these new regions.They might make nice isk but they are really, really boring. Try npc for a week and you will seriously think about quiting Eve.Oh wait!...u can go mine for a change...and that is as much change u can do in these new regions. Well if u are in for a thrill you can travel 35 jumps with full cargo of minerals in a indy through 0.0.Not having fun yet??...well too bad cuz that is as good as it can get...before u get blown up by one of the many camps along the way. You expect your corp / alliance to get bigger in these areas? Well bring your friends here and they might quit Eve 1 by 1...In the end there will only be the drones...and CCP prolly. You still don't believe me? WEll, practice this...buy some paint and a brush...and start paint something...anything...then...look at it till it gets dry...repeat it 3-4 times...when u are done we will welcome you to the new regions!!! YOU ARE READY!!
Gort Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.06 19:40:00 - [345] LOL, I think CCP is losing control over its code base. Maybe the new regions aren't fixable. The only guy who could follow the spaghetti was last seen drunk at a convention in South Transylvania about six months ago, and he never came back! An announcement may be made someday if they ever resolve his availability one way or the other. Meanwhile, in other news: Bob is doing fine and the devs are playing the game to make sure it all works correctly.... Low-tech sig: "When in doubt, empty the magazine."
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.06 20:50:00 - [346] This thread has now passed 20,000. Aside from some initial interest by Oveur - of which some was incorrect, there has been no other input. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 20:51:00 - [347] I think the issue stems from one that was discussed back before Kali became a reality. This issue is that the new regions really weren't worked on at all before they were released. The systems were already all there, and so they added a few links to them and said "here, free space!". Of course, the moons hadn't been seeded. The roids were and still are broken. There were no complexes, and no exploration sights worth talking about. The distribution gave some alliances huge advantages over others in exploiting the space. The rats were extremely underdeveloped. Basicly copy-pasted versions of the ones that had been in high sec complexes. But more systems = content, right? Fine, we said. We'll go there anyway. They've got to fix them eventually, right? But there's very fundamental things wrong with these regions, that have been wrong with them since they arrived. Simple things too, like roids being bugged. Mining is one of the main professions that people do in this game, and it is completely unviable. That is absurd, completely and utterly. So what are the alternatives? Well, we can rat. This is fine, ratting is pretty straight forward, and for the most part the rats up here die and yield loot like they should. Only the loot they dropped has saturated the market so much it's made battleship drops worth 1-1.5 in many cases, rather than the 3-4 that they used to be. And unlike other regions, ratters cannot strike it rich by finding a hauler with several thousand zyd, or a faction spawn. So ratting becomes a low-income, logistical pain in the ass. Maybe we can do exploration! It's a new system that was introduced, mini professions ftw! Oh wait no, it's broken. It's like ratting/mining, only you get to wait an hour to find your warp in point. POS mining? Well, at least we got our moons seeded. Mostly. Anyone who says multiple 60+ moon systems without a SINGLE metal in them is a good framework for a POS network obviously has never run one. Ok, thats out. No static complexes, forget that. Production, we can do that! Once we spend 20 bil on an outpost. But that aside, it's possible. Only we have no low end minerals... we can't mine them, we can't rat for them (I got 150k zyd and 900k trit from a refine of rat loot. Tell me those ratios aren't screwed up). So we get to do more logistics to haul up trit/pyerite. So what do we have left? Underdeveloped systems, bugged or unbalanced resources, and little for solo pvpers to use (ie no isk infusions). Tell me please, where is the upside to this? Shouldn't there be a trade-off? Can we at least get some of the bugged stuff fixed? No. The fact of the matter is that the developers are busy fixing the other things they put in the game too early (invention anyone?) and working on letting you walk around in stations doing emotes at people. Yes, the above is all a giant, long, fat whine. And I dare anyone to refute any of it. My mining account is cancelled because it's useless up there, and my main makes isk in a pocket of 0.0 with rats that don't crash their own market value.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.06 20:51:00 - [348] BUMP for the just cause!
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.06 22:16:00 - [349] /signed....... Man can we just get a response from CCP here.....
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 00:10:00 - [350] I think thats' the part that's most annoying: adding WORTHLESS UNNEEDED features while an entire region is SO f* UP! /sign and bump! Originally by:** Attak No. The fact of the matter is that the developers are busy fixing the other things they put in the game too early (invention anyone?) and working on letting you walk around in stations doing emotes at people. value. -= Recruitment post =-
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.07 11:17:00 - [351] Wow... second page, we cant have that now can we. CCP Just answer the damn question so we can get this out of the world! OKAY ? Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
ragewind Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 15:49:00 - [352] we all know the drop rate of the rats is messed up. we all know this is responerbel for the minneral crash. we all know this is purely due to the drone regon, were the drones are. so it brings up on to one major question and that is why has ccp so drematically affected the eve player controled market? even oveur in this very thread has said its not the intent of ccp to ever affect the market. he stated that the base price they set for zid on 1024isk.... well oveur so what, that is the cost you set (1024) the eve comunity of players had set that at 3500 ish befor the drone regons were added, yes that will be the payer bit of your player driven market! was the game unplayerbel due to OUR priceing? no was it uneconomically messed up so you couldent produce for insuance cost at OUR priceing no could you perform insurance fraud with OUR priceing? no so i guess you could say that the PLAYER DRIVEN market BEFORE the drone regones WORKED!!! now the markets are screwed up, mining acount are eather haveing time ran our or like mine are now folowing raters around colecting the items and salvageing as that is now as profiterbel as mining corockite (LOL a zid ore). this has the added advantage of laveing me with a stabel suply of minerals that now match up fairly evenly with the biuld requerbents of ships so all it means is i can biuld on site and sell on site without the effort of transporting to empire. so think all you like CCP has actively devalued a whole side of eve that was working fine.
Pellaeon DuGalle Caldari Deep Black Industries	Posted - 2007.04.07 16:03:00 - [353] Edited by: Pellaeon DuGalle on 07/04/2007 15:59:35 Originally by: ragewind so i guess you could say that the PLAYER DRIVEN market BEFORE the drone regones WORKED!!! (thus implying the market now doesn't work) As far as I can tell, thats pretty much a summery of what you wrote. The counter-argument is simply this: what makes you think the mineral market in its current, new-drone-area form is in any way broken? Sure, zyd along with other minerals (but mostly zyd) has collapsed. But this is simply a reflection of a new economic situation, and the magical hand of demand and supply has moved to a new equilibrium price. We set the prices before at 3500 or so. Now, with new drone region, we set the prices at around 2000isk. At no point was the price ever out of the collective control of the players. For the mineral prices to be "broken", they would have to end up below the minimum set by CCP, thus resulting in limitless profits based on insurance fraud. And given people know this, the minerals will never drop below this price. edit: clarification ------------------- "There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible."
Vactet Immortalis Silens	Posted - 2007.04.07 17:02:00 - [354] Edited by: Vactet on 07/04/2007 16:59:15 Hmm sad to see that CCP has yet to have the intestinal fortitude to say something to its critics. But for some reason I am not surprised in the least. Someone mentioned the 10K of shuttles in Jita thing... That might actually work. If every alliance in the new regions were to drop oh..5000 shuttles infront of 4-4, i bet itd get attention. Then when asked why...heh i dont even think i need to mention the answer. Oye i wonder if CCP realizes yet that p.i.s.s.ing (Sorry but an word that means "To Anger" is not meant to be nailed by the language filter. Just something else that needs a fix) off the customers is a bad business practice yet. And would someone please hit some of the devs over the head with a baseball bat? Their ego's are becoming highly annoying as of late. Sometimes the world needs to be kicked in the face to stop drooling on itself like an ignorant child. ::Im paid to talk, not to be civil. Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Vactet Immortalis Silens	Posted - 2007.04.07 17:02:00 - [355] Edited by: Vactet on 07/04/2007 16:59:15 Hmm sad to see that CCP has yet to have the intestinal fortitude to say something to its critics. But for some reason I am not surprised in the least. Someone mentioned the 10K of shuttles in Jita thing... That might actually work. If every alliance in the new regions were to drop oh..5000 shuttles infront of 4-4, i bet itd get attention. Then when asked why...heh i dont even think i need to mention the answer. Oye i wonder if CCP realizes yet that p.i.s.s.ing (Sorry but an word that means "To Anger" is not meant to be nailed by the language filter. Just something else that needs a fix) off the customers is a bad business practice yet. And would someone please hit some of the devs over the head with a baseball bat? Their ego's are becoming highly annoying as of late. Sometimes the world needs to be kicked in the face to stop drooling on itself like an ignorant child. ::Im paid to talk, not to be civil. Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 17:25:00 - [356] hourly bump... -= Recruitment post =-
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.07 17:58:00 - [357] Originally by: Vactet Edited by: Vactet on 07/04/2007 16:59:15 Hmm sad to see that CCP has yet to have the testicular fortitude to say something to its critics. But for some reason I am not surprised in the least. fixed ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun, Love is a stocked missle launcher. Sexual extacy is watching that NME Battleship go boom. "Will i
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.04.07 18:45:00 - [358] Down and down the zydrine goes where it stops, nobody knows. Out of interest what currently refines from the drone region equivalent of a 1.25 battleship rat?
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.07 19:33:00 - [359] When is this gonna get fixed? Exploration still borked. Asteroids still incredibly small and with terribly slow 'growth'. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft.
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.08 03:56:00 - [360] bump and /sign...again... So why did they make the new regions? To sucker all of us into bringing high ends into empire market and lower prices on all ships, which was the general whining all around. -= Recruitment post =-
Rabb Darktide Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.08 04:47:00 - [361] Back up.. In regards to Oveur's 5000 systems comments. I had a former employee that used that same tone with customers, which is why he is a former employee.. Oveur, you owe this community an appology. As for the 10000 shuttle in jita getting noticed, 10000 accounts clicking the cancel button will get noticed more. ---- Rabb Darktide Fleet Admiral (CEO) / O X I D E High Council Independent Fleet [INDF] INDF Recruitment
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.08 05:43:00 - [362] CCP give us a response, WE ARE THE FOLKS WHO PAY YOU!
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.04.08 07:17:00 - [363] I refuse to assist your cause to have your region repaired by bumping this topic. There is no way I'm going to post here so that it stays on top. Also, didn't they say they were going to fix the asteroid spawns? And they still ain't fixed? How hard can it be to tell asteroids to appear on a regular basis. My grandma can make asteroids appear on a regular basis. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - "We need to invent a new Clue Super Weapon... Something that distributes clue on a never before seen level." -Cpt Psycho
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.08 10:36:00 - [364] CCP ignoring so many ppl posting here is nice index what is your atitude to your paying costumer.
Bonny Lee Caldari God's Army Corp OPUS Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.08 11:19:00 - [365] Yesterday we scanned a drone complex again... all we got were bad alloys ^^ Would love to see some other things then alloys up there. Its fine that the rats arent dropping anything else (but its boring too) but without any exploration site different from belts and drone-complexes it makes no sense to do it at all. Would love to see a little bit more content in the new regions. And fix the belts pls.
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.08 16:01:00 - [366] Its so nice having my 15 million Miner SP's going to waste!. Thank You So Much CCP! You really know how to impress your customers. Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Zephyrys Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.08 16:16:00 - [367] Hey check it out!!! I found CCP's plan for the new regions Mining setup New Region Mining Op -------------- Active Miner improvement Threads = 5 Active Miner improvement Threads with Dev Response = 0
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.08 16:20:00 - [368] Originally by: Zephyrys Hey check it out!!! I found CCP's plan for the new regions Mining setup New Region Mining Op Its funny cus its true! Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Kara Kaprica Minmatar Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.04.08 18:43:00 - [369] to be fair, the drone regions have more bugs, are put together, and were thought through about aswell as the NGE in Star Wars Galaxies, and we ALL know what happend to that subscriber base.If you continue to promise fixes that never come you make it like SWG. if you let your vision for something go against however many god only knows people who spend 5-12 hours a day doing it, you take something directly away from the game for them. Those kind of MMO's have died, dont make EVE into one. CCP- When you stop listening and talking to your players you become like Sony Online Entertainment. and SOE's games are absolutly ***** devoid of life and subscriber base. You cant afford to take a hit like sony can to the pocket this is your biggest income (assumption) and big hits to it will affect you alot. Look after your players, they feed your children** Always Outnumbered. Never Outgunned.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.08 19:28:00 - [370] Hey, don`t insult SONY on my presence! Err... wait. I quitted. Weee~~~~ Insult spree! Aside of that, SONY tried to correct those mistakes way faster than CCP normally does. Stupidly correct them, true. Still, they tried. All this Drone Regions mess makes me remember the Mandalorian Armor Quest horrors...
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.04.08 20:24:00 - [371] I imagine part of the problem is if they fix mining in the new regions it'll clearly point out that it's not worthwhile to use mining lasers anymore. CCP fix your regions and fix you professions.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.08 20:53:00 - [372] Exploaration should be fixed but it is not - so all skil books we could get out off exploration we have to buy! SUX big time!
Rabb Darktide Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.09 00:38:00 - [373] Wait.. this isn't on page one... I gotta fix that... ---- Rabb Darktide Fleet Admiral (CEO) / O X I D E High Council Independent Fleet [INDF] INDF Recruitment
Miner Refiner Amarr Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.09 00:45:00 - [374] Quote: Its someone demonstrating an IQ thats roughly room temprature Celsius, not Fahrenheit. ---
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 01:54:00 - [375] Hourly bump for the cause.... -= Recruitment post =-
Thoric Frosthammer Fallen Angels Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.09 02:51:00 - [376] Honestly, I'm not that picky, at this point i'd settle for fixing the bugged BS spawns and the broken exploration.
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.09 10:10:00 - [377] Come on CCP respond, we want to know when there will be a fix
Elliusium Al'kaur	Posted - 2007.04.09 10:24:00 - [378] Fix the new regions by making drones not drop zydrine. The asteroids are fine. Why do they need asteroids when they get so much salvage and minerals from drones?
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.09 10:25:00 - [379] Originally by: Thoric Frosthammer Honestly, I'm not that picky, at this point i'd settle for fixing the bugged BS spawns and the broken exploration. IMO the most important stuff are the roids and the exploration. The BS 12km/sec doesn't occur THAT much. Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.09 10:26:00 - [380] Originally by: Elliusium Al'kaur Fix the new regions by making drones not drop zydrine. The asteroids are fine. Why do they need asteroids when they get so much salvage and minerals from drones? BECAUSE SOME OF US GOT MINING SP!? AND WE NEED LOW ENDS? Think be4 posting dude. geez. Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Elliusium Al'kaur	Posted - 2007.04.09 10:31:00 - [381] Originally by: NeoTech Originally by: Elliusium Al'kaur Fix the new regions by making drones not drop zydrine. The asteroids are fine. Why do they need asteroids when they get so much salvage and minerals from drones? BECAUSE SOME OF US GOT MINING SP!? AND WE NEED LOW ENDS? Think be4 posting dude. geez. I'm sure you'll be ok with the kabillionz of isk from the minerals and salvage drones give. Just pick up your lowends on your way back from flooding the empire market with minerals from drone alloys.
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:52:00 - [382] the roids need to be fixed along with the exploration sites. RK
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:01:00 - [383] Originally by: Elliusium Al'kaur Originally by: NeoTech Originally by: Elliusium Al'kaur Fix the new regions by making drones not drop zydrine. The asteroids are fine. Why do they need asteroids when they get so much salvage and minerals from drones? BECAUSE SOME OF US GOT MINING SP!? AND WE NEED LOW ENDS? Think be4 posting dude. geez. I'm sure you'll be ok with the kabillionz of isk from the minerals and salvage drones give. Just pick up your lowends on your way back from flooding the empire market with minerals from drone alloys. Thats not really the problem. The problem is that some of us have invested YEARS in mining SP, and now find ourselves in a region and is totally pro-pve. That is not how you make a game tbh, you dont exclude professions in certain regions. Also, i think you overrate the rats out here, sure they drop a damn huge chunk of Zydrine. But with the Killing --> Storing --> Transporting --> Refining --> Transporting --> Selling We really only do make like 20mil an hour, max!. Also the last patch nerfed the drones respawn rate, so it's impossible (atleast in the system i'm in) to chain, rats. Cus their spawn rate is so random. I had to go to the other systems and empty those just because i needed to wait for an hour for the belt rats to respawn in my main system. Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:22:00 - [384] Originally by: Elliusium Al'kaur Originally by: NeoTech Originally by: Elliusium Al'kaur Fix the new regions by making drones not drop zydrine. The asteroids are fine. Why do they need asteroids when they get so much salvage and minerals from drones? BECAUSE SOME OF US GOT MINING SP!? AND WE NEED LOW ENDS? Think be4 posting dude. geez. I'm sure you'll be ok with the kabillionz of isk from the minerals and salvage drones give. Just pick up your lowends on your way back from flooding the empire market with minerals from drone alloys. Oh yeah, sure. You really hit the jackpot there, how come nobody ever thought about that? Riddle me this, genius: How many m3 of Zydrine do you need to build a battleship? How many m3 of Tritanium do you need? If you can't figure out the underlying problem behind this you need to get back to school and learn some math. -= Recruitment post =-
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.09 14:41:00 - [385] Bumping my head against another 50-unit Roid.... CCP, lets try another tact here: You know how Empire-Based corps try to negoatiate rights to come mine in 0.0? How Alliances that control that 0.0 space can get extra income from leasing mining rights? Well... We are currently trying to negoatiate mining rights ourselves - with anyone NOT in the Drone Regions! Doesn't it strike you as a bit odd that a 0.0 alliance is trying to get a 'Foothold in Empire'? Such is the depths of our desperation and frustration.
Zigg Omelo eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.09 14:57:00 - [386] Meh CCP can't you just admit that you use the new regions as a testbed for how the new systemwide asteriods belts are going to be and that you infact want to decrease all roids volumes that way. It's going to be interesting to see how you can slow the pace of the eve economy this way and try to prevent big factions having too much of an advantage in the game as a whole. Because right now, if this continues in the same pace. the difference between those with the means and those without is going to really screw up the balance and fun in this game. Stupid dont have any friends
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.09 17:46:00 - [387] Bumping it back to the top. Hopefully CCP will respond soon. RK
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 18:27:00 - [388] Originally by: Zigg Omelo Meh CCP can't you just admit that you use the new regions as a testbed for how the new systemwide asteriods belts are going to be and that you infact want to decrease all roids volumes that way. I think the entire new region's reason to be is a half-as**d attempt at manipulating the economy. Lots of people were whining about inflation and ship's high costs and crap, so they decided "Hey lets make a new region that does not and can not produce anything BUT Zydrine in insane quantities". As with all such "government" interventions, they end up screweing up more things than they fix. This is not only affecting the new region's residents, but they've already screwed up a lot of the miners that made a living out of mining for zydrine. It's a totally artificial way to manipulate the economy.... bleh -= Recruitment post =-
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.09 20:47:00 - [389] 1 idea for our exploration; lets petition all our failed explorations that we didnt get revards ;) - we should have get lots of nice stuff as other ppl do - so lets petition for geting reimbushment on every complex u scan out and run it (kill few frigs and 3 BSes) :P
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.10 01:19:00 - [390] Bump for a responce from CCP Or do paying customers no longer matter to you?
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.10 06:33:00 - [391] We can be sure of one thing, at least: There are no Devs/GM¦s on any alliance in the Drone Regions. :S
Warna Brotha Sabrewulfe Technologies Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2007.04.10 10:07:00 - [392] Friendly bump... Mostly agree with points made. Rats flying off at OMGWTF speeds is anoying but i can live with it, its more anoying when there are no rats for 3 or 4 systems and no sign of them re spawning. I dont mine so i wont comment on the amount of stuff u get from a roid however they constantly bounce me 20+ km away from the warpin point sometimes meaning im to far away from the drones to bother engaging. It sometimes feels like gates are better for ratting than belts, but this is fine. No complex'es well i dont exsplore so there are non that can be seen with out exsloreation, this is fine with me again. Im sure there has been an increase in alts as i for one have had to create a hauler/refining/slavaging alt to shift the compounds and salvage everything to make up for the ever decreasing amounts i get from the mins/compounds. Im happy for the new regions to become more empty becasue alliances/corps dont like working harder to earn/survive as it will give me more room to roam and the difficulty level of the regions is fine apart from the few points. So please fixing warp in points, maybe even spawn rates and the drones that "run" away when you warp in is my request. Maybe a nice feature to add would be officer/faction drone!? every once in a while that would maybe drop a rig or implant, somthing that could be linked to a drone? my 2c from a drone region resident (currently in empire again due to bloody gate camp) ---- Check bio ingame for details on Sigs for isk.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:03:00 - [393] Still waiting for an answer...
Warna Brotha Sabrewulfe Technologies Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2007.04.10 15:40:00 - [394] Edited by: Warna Brotha on 10/04/2007 15:37:32 !!AHH!! ITS INVICTUS, RUN!! * Hides, how is life in LXQ?? Can i have the loot from my rifter back? Please ---- Check bio ingame for details on Sigs for isk.
Hilfreich Minmatar SecuWay SECUWAY.	Posted - 2007.04.10 16:28:00 - [395] Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. What a blatant display of arrogance and ignorance. I salute you, Oveur. In fact, I invite the listenership to comment every post on known issues in a similar manner, see how many warnings can be made of a statement like that. ;) ... My corp did not have any high stakes in the new regions. So it was not as prohibitive to move out as it is for others who went and colonized the land like you wanted them to. Its a slap in the face to these people. Shame on you. I will make that quote of yours my new Sig, grade A flame bait. Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.10 17:57:00 - [396] I'm really close to getting to the point, where i meet up to the next years fan fest. Just to throw a big bucket of poo, at your shiny building!. Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.10 19:43:00 - [397] Bumping, and also got a new sig! CCP's on Customer's concerns about broken roids in new regions: Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.10 21:54:00 - [398] :S
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.11 02:28:00 - [399] CCP Customer Support? WTF is that? I wonder if they are too busy PVPing to fix the bugs or if they are just too lazy? Far be it for the PAYING CUSTOMERS to get KNOWN BUGS fixed. RK
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.11 05:02:00 - [400] gm help please, my tech 1 strip miner pops 90% of the roids in 2 cycles exploration is limited to 2 spawns both not worth the isk the probes cost since one is for 4 mil in alloy and the other is for roids that pop in 2 cycles !! give a customer a hand please!
Orlando Gardner Amarr The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.11 08:40:00 - [401] Edited by: Orlando Gardner on 11/04/2007 08:38:17 Edited by: Orlando Gardner on 11/04/2007 08:37:40 even if these arent 'Bugs' in your eyes CCP..... please just give us an answer....... Is this what you intended or are there a few tweaks left yet for the Drone Regions?... please do not ignore all those intrepid colonisers that have staked there alliance on the new regions. edit/spelling
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.11 10:49:00 - [402] Something people forget to post is.. no nice named modules drop. That may look like very little. But a lot of the market supplies in older regiosn come form the named modules that rats drop. New regiosn don't have any supply of cheap modules. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
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NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.11 14:04:00 - [404] The NPC zyd sale price were 1050 Isk's right? Well, drone region zydrine prices has now dropped to 1020 Isk's. Lets see what happens in a few days. Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.11 14:32:00 - [405] This issue is still broken with the roids and BS drops/spawns/omgwtf warping...... It is deplorable that there is no CCP answer to this issue either here, or via a patch of which we've had 2 and no fix..... Sad to see where this game has sunk to in terms of dealing with bugs over the last 4 years really.....
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.11 14:39:00 - [406] Great job at customer service CCP 383 replies to the thread and 23441 reads of the topic and STILL no response on when the bugs will be fixed. GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE. THIS SHOWS YOU ONGOING COMMITIMENT TO CUSTOMER SERVICE LIKE NOTHING ELSE. RK
DaMaster Architect SOTI Inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.11 14:50:00 - [407] Judging from the priority CCP seems to give to this thread cough, I bet CCP must have some kind of plan with the new regions. They can't be that unhuman that they spoil other peoples' fun, can they? From what I've seen (and I live right in the middle of them), the drone regions are the Africa of the eve-universe. If you, CCP, refuse to tell us why you don't "fix" these regions, nor whether you have a special plan with the regions, then at least show us that you do care about us :P Like, create wicked guardian-vexor rat spawns or something. Or a can floating around one of these systems stating "CCP loves you!". That will do... for the moment :) Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.11 15:42:00 - [408] Edited by: Raven Kahn on 11/04/2007 15:38:56 bump for CCP response
Raptorius Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.11 15:54:00 - [409] Edited by: Raptorius on 11/04/2007 15:52:45 Bump This is blatent ignorance from CCP I think this Sat and Sun ppl who care should be dropping cans with their alts outside 4-4 station and Name them "Fix The Drone Regions" I've ratted in impass before and there you can make an easy 25mil an hour in bounties and have nice named loot and you can still melt the crap down and nearly build a BS after a decent day of ratting except some trit and zyd. Thats if you don't get a hauled spawn or officer\domination spawn. CCP can say "why don't you move there?" but wtf are the drone Regions good for then and will we get the isk back we spent on infastructure in the new regions?
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.11 17:49:00 - [410] Bump.... Still waiting for a response from a DEV
DaMaster Architect SOTI Inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.11 18:21:00 - [411] Quote: "why don't you move there?" Well here's the answer: Because BoB is already there. Or another alliance, ready to shoot you to pieces. And actually I don't feel like: A) joining BoB (or said alliance) B) Get a 900-capship armada ready to conquer BoB territory (or said alliances' territory), so we can rat in their space. Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.11 20:38:00 - [412] A bump for a Dev response! Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.11 20:53:00 - [413] We want an answer, CCP. Remember, we too pay for this game, in case you don`t remember.
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.11 22:16:00 - [414] bump for DEV response!
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.12 00:47:00 - [415] yet another bump for a DEV response!
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.12 01:42:00 - [416] bump! CCP's on Customer's concerns about broken roids in new regions: Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.12 03:15:00 - [417] Can anyone think of a similar issue where people tried to forum spam to get it resolved? I'm just wondering what kinda time frame to plan for here, I'm pretty sure CCP put this thread on 'block' or something by now because they can't not notice something this long. -Bart
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.12 04:34:00 - [418] I have 5 active accounts atm, by the end of the month I will be down to 3. no you cannot have my stuff Fix the GD drone regions, the roids suck the random plexes suck, the moons ALL suck, the dependence on market flux for isk from alloys kinda sucks but since zyd will be under 1k by the end of this month then it too will suck. This game is starting to take the bug suck tour fast.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.12 04:38:00 - [419] Edited by: ghosttr on 12/04/2007 04:35:45 Alright well since I started the original topic over a monoth ago some issues have been resolved or explained, but it seems that some of the major problems have et to be touched on. There original post by me can be viewed Here In a later response by oveur many things were covered Here Quote: Originally by: stamn The new regions are BROKEN. There are - * No Hauler Spawns * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) * Broken asteroids * Broken rewards for belt rats (mineral price crash caused by new region ratting) * No static complexes * Lack of tritanium/pyerite - no loot refines to trit, little pyerite, no hauler spawns * No faction spawns * No conquerable stations Some of those are intentional. The drone regions are supposed to be "tougher" than other reasons. No conquerable stations I believe is intentional. No hauler spawns possibly. No gas clouds? Maybe. Lack of tritanium/pyerite, maybe? But for now the drone regions are less rewarding than other regions, more hassle, and for the most part, simply broken. This is understandable for new content, and I have every confidence the Developers intend to fix these problems. But the Developers need to do the following. * Acknowledge the problems. * State a priority on them. * Estimate some kind of timescale. * Fix them. This is NOT too much to ask. There was previously a thread discussing these things, but it has been moved. Petitions have been tried - no response. To my knowledge there has been no Developer response on these issues. One is needed. Many, many alliances use the new regions. Please, CCP, respond. The new regions are as they are supposed to be. They were never supposed to be "tougher" themselves, they were supposed to be built up by players, which requires logistics which is tougher. If we go through it item for item: * No Hauler Spawns - Intentional * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') Bugreport it * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Should be fixed in 1.4 * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong * Broken rewards for belt rats Intentional * No static complexes Intentional * Lack of tritanium/pyerite Intentional * No faction spawns Intentional * No conquerable stations Intentional If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. Senior Producer EVE Online (/quote] HELP FIX THE DRONE REGIONS!!!
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.12 07:42:00 - [420] Bump for a dev response Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Sha Dar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.12 07:58:00 - [421] Unfortunately, it seems we're received all the response from them we're going to get...
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.12 08:59:00 - [422] comeon CCP you stated the problems were fixed there not, cough up an answer and time they will be fixed, please you owe it to us, after all we pay you!
Sverre Haakonson	Posted - 2007.04.12 09:01:00 - [423] There is one solution. Make a new big ally with most of the corps in the new regions, build a fleet and conquer a better region. The new regions are scrap. Accepting this can't be a solution. Corp SECUWAY Alliance SECUWAY
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.12 09:36:00 - [424] Bump for CCP replay
Ademius Knortak A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.12 10:15:00 - [425] Originally by: Sverre Haakonson build a fleet and conquer a better region. ... with the trit we have to buy in empire? bump
Jade Nexia Gallente CHON	Posted - 2007.04.12 11:08:00 - [426] If new regions are even worse than mostly useless 0.0 space then what exodus of players from Empire we should expected? It is old song. Everyone sign "Empire is crowded" CCP sign "and what?". Instead pushing more juice into 0.0 space they constantly nerfing income for average Joe instead give him candy and try lure him into 0.0 river. FIY: I like being in 0.0 whole day alone with rare human presence. LOL
01101100011101 INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.12 11:14:00 - [427] * No Hauler Spawns - Intentional --> Makes sense. It's been a quarantine zone, no human factions there. However continuing on principle as rogue drones to engage in activities like taking over and constructing their own outposts in space (not stations, but points of presence) there really should be an equivalent to "hauler spawns" in the drone regions as well. Unless the rogue drones use slash commands to spawn their stuff :P * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') Bugreport it --> Been there, done that, if we had to count the number of BR's submitted we'd be wasting our time till christmas :P * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Should be fixed in 1.4 --> actually, they're worse off now, more BR's. * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong --> nope, in most places it is still the same, in some it's even worse (negative ore volumes ftw), more BR's. * Broken rewards for belt rats Intentional --> not a clue what that is, I presume it's the alloys that are meant here. Makes sense that rogue drones drop merely alloys, nano tech gone wrong and all that stuff. * No static complexes Intentional --> while I understand the logic, it's quite visible that when it comes to competing on a higher organisational level in 0.0 there is only one ISK method which balances things out or gives an edge, and that is static complexes. After all, it is what wars are fought about (who am I telling this ... CCP you invented it that way). I see that folks could live with it, if only exploration would provide an alternative. Even IF that got fixed, it doesn't even compare let alone provide some balance like in other 0.0 regions. * Lack of tritanium/pyerite Intentional --> Understood. After all each region lacks some resource type to a degree. To further either trade or war with other regions basically. Still, any other region in 0.0 can provide for complete self sufficiency by just investing a bit more time into gathering that local resource type. Except the new regions. So either as hinted on irc it's a prelude to the other regions getting nerfed soon for resource distribution, or the logic in regional distribution is flawed and the new regions should be rebalanced. One of the two. For the sake of the rest of EVE I hope it's the latter. * No faction spawns Intentional --> This is ofcourse silly. It is yet another competition mechanism between 0.0 regions, and please don't tell me that among the rogue drones there are no specialisations of the AI's controlling them ... after all they have specific shiptypes, and they are on an evolutionary path. If after all this quarantine time rogue drones which were the scourge of the galaxy still haven't come up with something bigger or better then a mutated dominix Concord was just bloody lazy locking those gates .... I mean, come on. * No conquerable stations Intentional --> Makes perfect sense. It's a station type which is evermore part of a trend to abuse rather then to use. They have their uses, but let's not go into that now. It is perfectly visible CCP wants people to invest in infrastructures which allow colonisation of the new regions to spread trade an war. Obviously the people living there are just there to build **** for people from outside the new regions who are self sufficient at home and have static complexes for easy ISK so they can go out and wtfpwn those without such resources.
01101100011101 INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.12 11:20:00 - [428] Originally by: 01101100011101 * No Hauler Spawns - Intentional --> Makes sense. It's been a quarantine zone, no human factions there. However continuing on principle as rogue drones to engage in activities like taking over and constructing their own outposts in space (not stations, but points of presence) there really should be an equivalent to "hauler spawns" in the drone regions as well. Unless the rogue drones use slash commands to spawn their stuff :P Managed to dig something up ... http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/sep01-01.asp "The rogue drones soon started behaving very much like other living beings. They constructed a home for themselves, usually deep in some remote asteroid field, and began plans for reproduction. This involved both the mining of asteroids and attacks on unsuspecting mining vessels - all with the intent of gathering the materials needed to expand their homes and to build their own drones. As the months passed drone lairs popped up in dozen different places and today they can be found in almost every corner of the world, harassing and killing space farers of every sort. As each drone lair is started by a separate mother drone they often evolve in quite different ways. Each new generation of rogue drones shows some new mutations, creating a huge diversity in the shape, size and power for rogue drones. Recently a new type of drone lairs have appeared, commonly called hulk lairs. It seems that when rogue drones manage to capture suitably large vessels, like large cargo freighters or cruisers, they donÆt dismantle the ship completely, but instead start to incorporate the lair into the shipÆs hull. Eventually these hulks break free from the drone lair that captured them and start drifting out of the asteroid field, sometimes even under their own accord; the propulsion system still being intact. Hulks like these have been found drifting in deep space, far from human settlements, but occasionally they drift close by settled planets or through space routes. This can cause severe problems for the populace and space farers, often requiring heavy military involvement to get rid off." Eat own words .. :P ?
0101110000101 INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.12 11:44:00 - [429] Originally by: 01101100011101 Obviously the people living there are just there to build **** for people from outside the new regions who are self sufficient at home and have static complexes for easy ISK so they can go out and wtfpwn those without such resources. thats how i see things happen as they fix the new regions by the time the major faction is done with their current wars
0101110000101 INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.12 11:50:00 - [430] Originally by: 01101100011101 Originally by: 01101100011101 * No Hauler Spawns - Intentional --> Makes sense. It's been a quarantine zone, no human factions there. However continuing on principle as rogue drones to engage in activities like taking over and constructing their own outposts in space (not stations, but points of presence) there really should be an equivalent to "hauler spawns" in the drone regions as well. Unless the rogue drones use slash commands to spawn their stuff :P Managed to dig something up ... http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/sep01-01.asp Eat own words .. :P ? Pwned? well they are broken
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.12 12:10:00 - [431] Originally by: 0101110000101 Originally by: 01101100011101 Originally by: 01101100011101 * No Hauler Spawns - Intentional --> Makes sense. It's been a quarantine zone, no human factions there. However continuing on principle as rogue drones to engage in activities like taking over and constructing their own outposts in space (not stations, but points of presence) there really should be an equivalent to "hauler spawns" in the drone regions as well. Unless the rogue drones use slash commands to spawn their stuff :P Managed to dig something up ... http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/sep01-01.asp Eat own words .. :P ? Pwned? well they are broken Quick some one there is a hole in the internet and the binary if gushing out! Fight against log off tactics to protect your space from isk farmers!
010110111001	Posted - 2007.04.12 15:34:00 - [432] slap the guy who had the idea to make binary toons :/ Now BACK ON TOPIC!
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.12 16:39:00 - [433] Edited by: Hexman on 12/04/2007 16:35:53 OMGWTF PWNED!!!!! major bumpage!! What you got to say now, Oveur?? Originally by: 01101100011101 Managed to dig something up ... http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/sep01-01.asp Eat own words .. :P ? CCP's on Customer's concerns about broken roids in new regions: Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.12 18:33:00 - [434] well it seems that the drones do have hualers, how curious. so yet another bump for a DEV response. The up comming down time is a good time for a bug fix
Sabian Treehugger	Posted - 2007.04.12 20:22:00 - [435] WARNING - Lots of irony "Recently a new type of drone lairs have appeared, commonly called hulk lairs. It seems that when rogue drones manage to capture suitably large vessels, like large cargo freighters or cruisers, they don’t dismantle the ship completely, but instead start to incorporate the lair into the ship’s hull." So where are these things CCP ? They are not in the belts and not even in exploration sites.Is it lazyness CCP ? And about the rats i don't care what was intended it's just wrong. It's like what you had in mind for the T2 lottery and then you said "OOPS we *** up" and now you ask players for help regarding invention but the same players that tell you that you **** up again you tell them to move. Oh yes i would like to move and go the USA to work at KFC and leave behind my friend's and the home that i built. Now i don't care if CONCORD decides to put bounties on drones or if minerals on drones are ballanced resulting in a balanced income from a drone or even if those nice little lairs that you tease us with appear,but do something. And yes fix those damn roids and give us a fighting chance!Stop thinking of your petty schemes and think about the players,the ones who give life to this wonderfull game and who love a challenge but not a death sentence.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.12 22:19:00 - [436] Still waiting...
Toxic Four	Posted - 2007.04.13 00:43:00 - [437] Would really be nice to see the roids fixed cause I'm tired of hearing all the miners complaining and frankly im bored stiff harvesting drones. Would actually like to mine for a change cause that is slightly more exciting than drones. Who intended that drones should be so dang boring anyway? Why can't there be some cool drones random spawn like you can get ratting anywhere else in the game including the random special rats that show up in missions every once in awhile? Dread Guristas etc? Anyway in most regions you have a choice of many activities. If rat farming gets boring you can jump system to system looking for named rats. If even that is boring you you can get a gang together and mine. Even more exciting go ninja. Mining gets old haul some stuff around and build a market economy. Tired of that play with agents. Agents wont talk to you I guess you can take up exploration. All at highly profitable levels comensurate with the added risk/fun of pvp. Here is the kicker... NONE OF THAT WORKS IN THE NEW SYSTEMS EXCEPT RAT FARMING So I have trouble understanding the offical response. All this fun is by design? There is no need to fix it? HA-HA-HA Suckers! Really all we are asking for is one baby step. Admit the rocks are different here than in other parts of the universe and let us know if it is a game mechanic bug or an intended feature. If it is intended frankly maybe we should save server resouces and just turn the roids off out here, negative min quanities ROFL.
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.13 02:42:00 - [438] Ok CCP...you got busted on that. Dont feed us "it was intended that way" crap. Will you fix it or keep wasting resources on worthless features like walking around in stations?? CCP's on Customer's concerns about broken roids in new regions: Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.13 03:04:00 - [439] We're going on to 5 months now with broken belts. How hard can it be to fix something that works properly everywhere else in EVE?
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.13 07:21:00 - [440] Ignoring us won't make it go away.
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.13 07:49:00 - [441] DEVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV RESPONSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.04.13 08:38:00 - [442] Originally by: Xelios We're going on to 5 months now with broken belts. How hard can it be to fix something that works properly everywhere else in EVE? Indeed. Exploration sill bugged. Trow us a bone here ccp. I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Tom Shandy	Posted - 2007.04.13 08:51:00 - [443] hahaha Good to see you all still here crying instead of moving out. Seriously lads, what you are hoping to acheive will not happen.
DaMaster Architect SOTI Inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.13 09:10:00 - [444] Edited by: DaMaster Architect on 13/04/2007 09:06:55 Originally by: Tom Shandy hahaha Good to see you all still here crying instead of moving out. Seriously lads, what you are hoping to acheive will not happen. yep, you're right. We'd better move out. So, hereby, I demand all the territory your alliance possesses, so we can rat there. What, you don't want to give me your territory? Now ask yourself why you won't do so. Your ignorancy totally proves that you have no idea what we're talking about. Can we move out? No, the entire universe is already occupied by other alliances. Can we conquer the space of these alliances? Yes, but for an industrial derranged alliance it's going to be a pity supplying massive fleets to conquer alliances like D2, BoB, RA, etc.. Can we cancel our subscription? Yes, we can. So moving out is not an option. Serious man, we just want to have some fun playing this game. Watching titan-sized veldspar roids pop every 5 minutes and moving huge worthless alloys around every time is really a pain in the ass. Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Tom Shandy	Posted - 2007.04.13 09:17:00 - [445] Originally by: DaMaster Architect Edited by: DaMaster Architect on 13/04/2007 09:06:55 Originally by: Tom Shandy hahaha Good to see you all still here crying instead of moving out. Seriously lads, what you are hoping to acheive will not happen. yep, you're right. We'd better move out. So, hereby, I demand all the territory your alliance possesses, so we can rat there. What, you don't want to give me your territory? Now ask yourself why you won't do so. Your ignorancy totally proves that you have no idea what we're talking about. Can we move out? No, the entire universe is already occupied by other alliances. Can we conquer the space of these alliances? Yes, but for an industrial derranged alliance it's going to be a pity supplying massive fleets to conquer alliances like D2, BoB, RA, etc.. Can we cancel our subscription? Yes, we can. So moving out is not an option. Serious man, we just want to have some fun playing this game. Watching titan-sized veldspar roids pop every 5 minutes and moving huge worthless alloys around every time is really a pain in the ass. Moving out is an option. There is lots of space, not all taken, how do you think everyone else that didnt walk into the empty new region copes ? The fact that you think you are stuck there shows your ingnorance. The only problem is the roids anyway, who in their right minds, mines veld in 0.0 ?
010110111001	Posted - 2007.04.13 09:32:00 - [446] Edited by: 010110111001 on 13/04/2007 09:28:18 Originally by: Tom Shandy The only problem is the roids anyway, who in their right minds, mines veld in 0.0 ? I would suggest reading it all again. It is not about the roids. It is not about the veldspar. What it is about however should be quite clear: - broken feature sets in regards to NPC's (behaviour) - broken feature sets in regards to Exploration (sites & paths) - broken feature sets in regards to Resource Distribution (negative volumes anyone?) - the public approach CCP has taken through a display of utter uncaring or even basic aptitude - the complete absence of follow up on bug reports, effectuated communications via other methods - the complete absence of progress in taking on even the smaller issues relating to the new regions - the complete discrepancy between chronicles, storylines and Oveur's words in regards to content & feature specifics - etc etc etc. It isn't about the roids. It is about structural problems which result from simply not finishing the job. I don't mine, but roids with negative ore volumes? Not normal, except in the new regions. Same for roids with ore volumes of less then a miner 1 cycle ... Same goes for exploration, it isn't bugged, it is just not worked on. And please let's not fool ourselves that regions and their inhabitants do not compete with each other, human nature always does. Pretty much every region in EVE is self sufficient on a local level, all it takes is manpower and time. Except the new regions. Now stop confusing the issues at stake here folks. It's easy to say "omgmesseduproidsfixitnow". It just isn't about the roids. It is about resource distribution, competition, game perspectives, game feature sets left broken, game content left broken and CCP taking the approach of "don't like it, get lost".
Bloedkopp Minmatar Simian Cell Systems	Posted - 2007.04.13 09:37:00 - [447] The only way to get the DEVs to do there job would be if BOB was living in that area ! Sad but true
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.13 09:56:00 - [448] Quote: The only problem is the roids anyway, who in their right minds, mines veld in 0.0 ? Uhh, people who are trying to run alliance production and can't get low ends from rat loot like everyone else?
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.13 13:26:00 - [449] yet another bump for a dev response. RK
Otellus Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.04.13 13:42:00 - [450] Originally by: Tom Shandy Originally by: DaMaster Architect Edited by: DaMaster Architect on 13/04/2007 09:06:55 Originally by: Tom Shandy hahaha Good to see you all still here crying instead of moving out. Seriously lads, what you are hoping to acheive will not happen. yep, you're right. We'd better move out. So, hereby, I demand all the territory your alliance possesses, so we can rat there. What, you don't want to give me your territory? Now ask yourself why you won't do so. Your ignorancy totally proves that you have no idea what we're talking about. Can we move out? No, the entire universe is already occupied by other alliances. Can we conquer the space of these alliances? Yes, but for an industrial derranged alliance it's going to be a pity supplying massive fleets to conquer alliances like D2, BoB, RA, etc.. Can we cancel our subscription? Yes, we can. So moving outEó(@;4g@pG[TÄPPZ)ù¦ìs man, we just want to have some fun playing this game. Watching titan-sized veldspar roids pop every 5 minutes and moving huge worthless alloys around every time is really a pain in the ass. Moving out is an option. There is lots of space, not all taken, how do you think everyone else that didnt walk into the empty new region copes ? The fact that you think you are stuck there shows your ingnorance. The only problem is the roids anyway, who in their right minds, mines veld in 0.0 ? How did you get the impression its just about Veldspar? ALL asteroids are broken, not just the Veldspar rocks. And personally, I can understand CCP wanting to make regions lacking in a certain mineral to make it more interdependent, so if they wanna keep Veldspar rare in the new regions, fine. Then remove 90% of the Veldspar rocks and make the surviving ones hold 90% more ore, so that the total amount of Veldspar doesn't change. But its pathetic and annoying to warp to an asteroid belt with 30 moonsized veldspar asteroids, each holding only a minute amount of ore. But the bottomline is that all activities should be viable in a region, currently only ratting is viable, and mining and exploration are horrendously broken. FIX THE ROIDS, FIX THE EXPLORATION.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.13 14:16:00 - [451] Please respond CCP. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.13 15:29:00 - [452] Please respond CCP
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.13 17:23:00 - [453] We want a response.
Linkel Minmatar Back Home In Time For Tea And Medals The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.04.13 18:07:00 - [454] a response would be nice CCP
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.13 18:46:00 - [455] We need to spam them with petitiions!!!!
Tom Shandy	Posted - 2007.04.13 18:57:00 - [456] Seems you missed the replys on page 3, The new regions are as they were meant to be. Originally by: CCP Oveur Originally by: Stamm The new regions are BROKEN. There are - * No Hauler Spawns * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) * Broken asteroids * Broken rewards for belt rats (mineral price crash caused by new region ratting) * No static complexes * Lack of tritanium/pyerite - no loot refines to trit, little pyerite, no hauler spawns * No faction spawns * No conquerable stations Some of those are intentional. The drone regions are supposed to be "tougher" than other reasons. No conquerable stations I believe is intentional. No hauler spawns possibly. No gas clouds? Maybe. Lack of tritanium/pyerite, maybe? But for now the drone regions are less rewarding than other regions, more hassle, and for the most part, simply broken. This is understandable for new content, and I have every confidence the Developers intend to fix these problems. But the Developers need to do the following. * Acknowledge the problems. * State a priority on them. * Estimate some kind of timescale. * Fix them. This is NOT too much to ask. There was previously a thread discussing these things, but it has been moved. Petitions have been tried - no response. To my knowledge there has been no Developer response on these issues. One is needed. Many, many alliances use the new regions. Please, CCP, respond. The new regions are as they are supposed to be. They were never supposed to be "tougher" themselves, they were supposed to be built up by players, which requires logistics which is tougher. If we go through it item for item: * No Hauler Spawns - Intentional * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') Bugreport it * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Should be fixed in 1.4 * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong * Broken rewards for belt rats Intentional * No static complexes Intentional * Lack of tritanium/pyerite Intentional * No faction spawns Intentional * No conquerable stations Intentional If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.13 19:16:00 - [457] Originally by: Tom Shandy Seems you missed the replys on page 3, The new regions are as they were meant to be. Originally by: CCP Oveur Originally by: Stamm The new regions are BROKEN. There are - * No Hauler Spawns * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) * Broken asteroids * Broken rewards for belt rats (mineral price crash caused by new region ratting) * No static complexes * Lack of tritanium/pyerite - no loot refines to trit, little pyerite, no hauler spawns * No faction spawns * No conquerable stations Some of those are intentional. The drone regions are supposed to be "tougher" than other reasons. No conquerable stations I believe is intentional. No hauler spawns possibly. No gas clouds? Maybe. Lack of tritanium/pyerite, maybe? But for now the drone regions are less rewarding than other regions, more hassle, and for the most part, simply broken. This is understandable for new content, and I have every confidence the Developers intend to fix these problems. But the Developers need to do the following. * Acknowledge the problems. * State a priority on them. * Estimate some kind of timescale. * Fix them. This is NOT too much to ask. There was previously a thread discussing these things, but it has been moved. Petitions have been tried - no response. To my knowledge there has been no Developer response on these issues. One is needed. Many, many alliances use the new regions. Please, CCP, respond. The new regions are as they are supposed to be. They were never supposed to be "tougher" themselves, they were supposed to be built up by players, which requires logistics which is tougher. If we go through it item for item: * No Hauler Spawns - Intentional * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') Bugreport it * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Should be fixed in 1.4 * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong * Broken rewards for belt rats Intentional * No static complexes Intentional * Lack of tritanium/pyerite Intentional * No faction spawns Intentional * No conquerable stations Intentional If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. Well, roids are still broken and complexes are still broken. So we would like a response when those will be REALLY fixed, in contrast to the Dev response which is incorrect since they were NOT fixed.
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.13 20:06:00 - [458] CCP response please
Helen STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.04.13 20:42:00 - [459] Fix it before Stamm gets mad, like real mad and stuff.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.13 21:03:00 - [460] Time to get organized on this? Like alliance-posting, etc? Seriously, it has been weeks without news from the devs... This is getting ridiculous. But we are more stupid, because we keep paying.
Neko Sornan eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.13 21:45:00 - [461] Originally by: Rikeka Time to get organized on this? Like alliance-posting, etc? Seriously, it has been weeks without news from the devs... This is getting ridiculous. But we are more stupid, because we keep paying. Any constructive ideas how to get the devs attention? Some kind of spamming isn't the right way, I'm sure, but if ignoring your customers also ... perhaps one of the friendly Mods, GM's or ISD people can point someone to this thread.
Martosh Toma Gallente Fraction Investment	Posted - 2007.04.13 22:08:00 - [462] They said, it is intentional as it is. They said if you do not like it there leave. You say, but it still needs fixing. How can we get them to do our bidding? CCP looks at tread CCP looks at system/constelation/region occupants and activety CCP Conclusion: The players may complain a little, but it looks like the systems are buisiness as usual, all must be wel. As I see it you can only make 1 statement, and that is to empty the region(s). as things are now, you are proving the regions are fine by living there. Somehow the risk vs reward scale must be matching up for you.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.13 22:16:00 - [463] Originally by: Martosh Toma They said, it is intentional as it is. They said if you do not like it there leave. You say, but it still needs fixing. How can we get them to do our bidding? CCP looks at tread CCP looks at system/constelation/region occupants and activety CCP Conclusion: The players may complain a little, but it looks like the systems are buisiness as usual, all must be wel. As I see it you can only make 1 statement, and that is to empty the region(s). as things are now, you are proving the regions are fine by living there. Somehow the risk vs reward scale must be matching up for you. No, they didn't say all of the current situation is as intended. They said a number of things were intended, the hauler spawns etc etc. Ok, fine. We're no longer talking about those. However, two things they called 'will be fixed next patch', i.e. exploration and asteroid seeding. But neither were actually fixed in the last patch, so we want to know when they will really fix it.
heheheh Singularity. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.04.13 22:24:00 - [464] Well it cant be that bad if you stay there, If it was unable to support you, you wouldnt live there and be whinging now. afaic the roids are the only thing that need fixing. bump for that
Toxic Four	Posted - 2007.04.14 03:28:00 - [465] Also hoping for some news from any dev.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.04.14 03:34:00 - [466] I'm not convinced they even know the new territories are open, could be some rogue dev leaving the door open... Also Known As
Zephyrys Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.14 03:40:00 - [467] Edited by: Zephyrys on 14/04/2007 03:37:15 Originally by: heheheh Well it cant be that bad if you stay there, If it was unable to support you, you wouldnt live there and be whinging now. afaic the roids are the only thing that need fixing. bump for that Hmm lets see.. which is easier.. tough it out till CCP gets their head out of their collective sphincter or pack up the entire alliance and move into someone elses backyard.. start a war cause of invading their space and have to fight w/o any base of operations.. or go back to empire space. I'm sorry but you are wrong if you think that we are necessarily living here by choice.. -------------- Active Miner improvement Threads = 5 Active Miner improvement Threads with Dev Response = 0
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.14 04:16:00 - [468] Trolls away!!! please go haunt a privateer or a low-sec gatecamping thread CCP's on Customer's concerns about broken roids in new regions: Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.14 04:59:00 - [469] Originally by: heheheh Well it cant be that bad if you stay there, If it was unable to support you, you wouldnt live there and be whinging now. afaic the roids are the only thing that need fixing. bump for that The only reason we're staying here is that we've put over 6 months of work into building outposts, seeding a market and stockpiling assets. Everything had to be brought down from empire in one form or another because we don't have enough minerals in the belts to sustain any kind of production out here. So it's a choice between abandoning our outposts, invading someone's space and building all that up again from scratch or waiting for the devs to decide to fix what's broken.
Cartiff Darwin With Attitude RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.14 05:45:00 - [470] wow, 15pages and still no input from the devs. embarrassing Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why -Sahwoolo "Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys"
William Hamilton	Posted - 2007.04.14 05:53:00 - [471] Faction drones ftw!
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.14 06:22:00 - [472] let's get a DEV response please RK
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.14 07:00:00 - [473] Originally by: Sahwoolo Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why -Sahwoolo 5 months of us trying to get a proper response or even you guys following through with what you said was in the pipe for a fix(s) and we get sig fixes instead of input from the Devs/Programers. This whole thread just got punked by the CCP staff yet again. GREAT WORK CCP
Sha Dar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.14 07:47:00 - [474] TBH. with all the focus seemingly on features that hardly anyone, if any at all, seems to want, it looks increasingly like this is just a convenient testbed now for software that will be used in tie up games with White Wolf. Forget Rev 2 for now, Forget ambulation, and focus that manpower completely on fixing bugs, with a new emphasis on reporting them... the playerbase will thank you for it.. If anyone other than the slavish devotee's go to it, I can see this years FanFest being quite an eye-opener for the devs ergarding the general unhappiness with the state of the game.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.14 09:03:00 - [475] Originally by: Clorthos Originally by: Sahwoolo Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why -Sahwoolo 5 months of us trying to get a proper response or even you guys following through with what you said was in the pipe for a fix(s) and we get sig fixes instead of input from the Devs/Programers. This whole thread just got punked by the CCP staff yet again. GREAT WORK CCP Just put your character name in the sig somewhere. I got a 24 hour ban a while ago because my sig didn't say "Xelios" anywhere
DaMaster Architect SOTI Inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.14 09:31:00 - [476] That walking in stations for example, is just plain nonsense in my opinion. What does it have to do with EVE anyway? walking? wtf? No one asked for it, and no one knows what you can do with that feature. It seems even the devs don't know yet what to do with it. And meanwhile, the game is infested with bugs. I don't walk aroud wasting my time! I want to play a game, and one that works. oh, almost forgot: bump. P.S.: Tranquility just crashed? Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.04.14 10:53:00 - [477] Love's us please. I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Neko Sornan eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.14 12:56:00 - [478] Originally by: DaMaster Architect P.S.: Tranquility just crashed? Not that I'm aware off.
Bosath Memento Mori. The Pentagram	Posted - 2007.04.14 13:32:00 - [479] Dev response please.....
heheheh Singularity. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.04.14 14:05:00 - [480] Originally by: Zephyrys Edited by: Zephyrys on 14/04/2007 03:37:15 Originally by: heheheh Well it cant be that bad if you stay there, If it was unable to support you, you wouldnt live there and be whinging now. afaic the roids are the only thing that need fixing. bump for that Hmm lets see.. which is easier.. tough it out till CCP gets their head out of their collective sphincter or pack up the entire alliance and move into someone elses backyard.. start a war cause of invading their space and have to fight w/o any base of operations.. or go back to empire space. I'm sorry but you are wrong if you think that we are necessarily living here by choice.. Im sorry but you are wrong if you think you are not living there by choice, not only wrong, but stupid as well. You basically admit that you chose the easy option bymoving there, yet still whine because its not "Fixed". I sympathize with the miners that want roids but tbh i think Oveurs response is the only one you folks are gonna get u/f.
Sabian Treehugger	Posted - 2007.04.14 15:29:00 - [481] Edited by: Sabian Treehugger on 14/04/2007 15:32:03 Edited by: Sabian Treehugger on 14/04/2007 15:31:32 Originally by: heheheh Originally by: Zephyrys Edited by: Zephyrys on 14/04/2007 03:37:15 Originally by: heheheh Well it cant be that bad if you stay there, If it was unable to support you, you wouldnt live there and be whinging now. afaic the roids are the only thing that need fixing. bump for that Hmm lets see.. which is easier.. tough it out till CCP gets their head out of their collective sphincter or pack up the entire alliance and move into someone elses backyard.. start a war cause of invading their space and have to fight w/o any base of operations.. or go back to empire space. I'm sorry but you are wrong if you think that we are necessarily living here by choice.. Im sorry but you are wrong if you think you are not living there by choice, not only wrong, but stupid as well. You basically admit that you chose the easy option bymoving there, yet still whine because its not "Fixed". I sympathize with the miners that want roids but tbh i think Oveurs response is the only one you folks are gonna get u/f. Easy option ?! Get a clue please.Drone regions are hard mode 0.0(because of logistics which is also a form of pvp doh) while the rest of 0.0 is easy mode. There are 2 types of people who dissagree with our claims gelous empire carebears and scaredycat 0.0 residents of other regions. So QFT !
Nyxus GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.14 16:48:00 - [482] Oveur - if you could just make a short post explaining how the roids are supposed to work that would be great. If you tell us that they are supposed to have less that 1 miner cycle or have negative amounts and never grow it would go a long way. Just a quick "New Region Roids = X" post so we can either stop spamming the requests for bugfixes or start being more specific in our bug reports so your people can get to the heart of the problem faster. Thanks! Nyxus The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships.
Urduar UrdCorp Enterprises Soul of Fountain	Posted - 2007.04.14 18:24:00 - [483] Oveur on the broken new regions: "If you don't like it, find a new region" Kieron on the corruption scandal: "If you don't like it, find a new game" I've only been here for a bit over six months, but have the Eve devs always been so.. err.. accomodating?
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.14 22:10:00 - [484] Still waiting for an answer.
Biosman ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.15 04:44:00 - [485] Any1 seen the "Drone Dev"? uups wrong thread nm,how about the "Drone Regions Dev"? bump
Zy'or Tealon Caldari DarkStar 1 Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.15 11:20:00 - [486] Originally by: Zy'or Tealon Originally by: CCP Oveur * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Should be fixed in 1.4 * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong Now who was that 'new' Quality Assurance Manager who started of with a nice blog about Testing of new functionality, Unit Testing and Regression Testing? Did CCP boot him for being too much a pain in the rear end? Because there wouldn't be any patches for 2 years if he kept his job? Ovuer: GO CHECK YOUR GAME FIRST BEFORE YOU SAY STUFF IS FIXED! Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. And lay off the booze when you're on the job responding to paying customers who voice their concern about your product! Perhaps Kieron send Ovuer to AAA meetings and has forbidden him to post on these forums again untill he's off the AAA program... Originally by: Clementina If you bug report it, you get ignored. If you post about it on the forums, you get banned. If you exploit it, you get rich.
Gaunty Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.15 13:45:00 - [487] Edited by: Gaunty on 15/04/2007 13:42:01 Originally by: Zy'or Tealon Originally by: Zy'or Tealon Originally by: CCP Oveur * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Should be fixed in 1.4 * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong Now who was that 'new' Quality Assurance Manager who started of with a nice blog about Testing of new functionality, Unit Testing and Regression Testing? Did CCP boot him for being too much a pain in the rear end? Because there wouldn't be any patches for 2 years if he kept his job? Ovuer: GO CHECK YOUR GAME FIRST BEFORE YOU SAY STUFF IS FIXED! Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for. And lay off the booze when you're on the job responding to paying customers who voice their concern about your product! Perhaps Kieron send Ovuer to AAA meetings and has forbidden him to post on these forums again untill he's off the AAA program... He made Oveur join Against All Authorities to get him off the booze? Strange way of going about it.
Zy'or Tealon Caldari DarkStar 1 Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.15 14:23:00 - [488] Originally by: Gaunty He made Oveur join Against All Authorities to get him off the booze? Strange way of going about it. I meant "AA"... Originally by: Clementina If you bug report it, you get ignored. If you post about it on the forums, you get banned. If you exploit it, you get rich.
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.15 17:41:00 - [489] Bump... CCP is a pathetic corporation. no offense Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.15 17:44:00 - [490] Hourly bump... CCP's on Customer's concerns about broken roids in new regions: Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Kateryne Minmatar Steel Frontier	Posted - 2007.04.15 18:09:00 - [491] Bit of a disgrace tbh, someone needs to sort it out...
Sandzibarr A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.15 18:38:00 - [492] fix the roid ore capacity for the love of all that is holy. all the belts are currently only useful for bouncing the few (and seemingly rapidily decreasing number of) drone BS spawns hundreds of km away into the distance.
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.15 20:19:00 - [493] yet another bump for a DEV response. RK
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.16 02:23:00 - [494] kicking it back to the top.... CCP respond please about the broken regions
Zalacious Caldari Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.16 04:55:00 - [495] Bump this needs to be fixed.
Demoneque Intentions eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.16 05:00:00 - [496] Bump for great justice!
Miraxiam Gallente Argent Industries	Posted - 2007.04.16 05:02:00 - [497] You guys are so sad, wouldn't be surprised if the devs just ignored you to make you ***** and moan some more! Gratz on being whingers!
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.16 07:07:00 - [498] Originally by: Miraxiam You guys are so sad, wouldn't be surprised if the devs just ignored you to make you ***** and moan some more! Gratz on being whingers! i guess i am a whinner (notice the spelling) Far be it for paying customers to want bugs fixed. Let's get a DEV response RK (PAYING CUSTOMER that can spell)
Sverre Haakonson	Posted - 2007.04.16 08:23:00 - [499] Stop whining and make your way. There is only one solution: Work together with more corps in the new regions, make war, claim a another region and contribute to a further price crash for zydrine and nocxium Corp SECUWAY Alliance SECUWAY
Miraxiam Gallente Argent Industries	Posted - 2007.04.16 08:50:00 - [500] Originally by: Raven Kahn Originally by: Miraxiam You guys are so sad, wouldn't be surprised if the devs just ignored you to make you *** and moan some more! Gratz on being whingers! i guess i am a whinner (notice the spelling) Far be it for paying customers to want bugs fixed. Let's get a DEV response RK (PAYING CUSTOMER that can spell) Grats on being an idiot, Whinge (Whinging / whinger), anything else to add to not being able to spell smartarse? Everyone is a paying customer and there are always ganna be bugs, posting in this thread every few hours isn't going to help your cause. Have you ever noticed that the more you cry the less people give a **?
Gerog Gallente Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.16 12:53:00 - [501] Edited by: Gerog on 16/04/2007 12:51:25 Has it been 5 months now? The roids are still broken. The respawn rate & amount in them are not correct. The rats drop compounds instead of loot. WTF are the drones shooting us with? luscious compound? At least fix the roids that even a newb can go through in 1 cycle with miner Is. Dev response would be appreciated. Gerog IMG]http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r183/ravnosbaro/fixroidsjp2.png[/IMG]
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.16 13:16:00 - [502] I like pie... and i also like dev responses!. Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Jana Cova	Posted - 2007.04.16 13:29:00 - [503] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Miss Anthropy Originally by: Adoro Some mates of me went there recently and they keep telling me: "OMG!!!11oneone!!! ISK ISK ISK!!!!111ONE!!!ELEVENTEEN!!!!111one" You get the idea...the alloys are worth alot they keep telling me. So why is it not profitable? No loot, ok....but the alloys... A little off-topic here but what is it with the ONEONE!!ELEVEN!!111 stuff? I keep seeing it these days and I have no idea what it means. Every time I do see it though it has me in stitches. It looks like a written form of tourettes. Its someone demonstrating an IQ thats roughly room temprature Is this in the Kelvin scale? Seriously, though, the high end ores are insane. You're looking at tens, sometimes hundreds of units of ore per roid. Once I even saw 300 in a roid.
Auri Hella The Graduates Ivy League	Posted - 2007.04.16 15:05:00 - [504] Once, I saw a bistot roid with 590 units in it. I mined it and it was never seen again
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.16 18:51:00 - [505] Dear Flamers, Thanks for bumping our threads however, could you reduce your replys to short comments like "ignoramous flaming" for everyone's convenience? We just want some bugs fixed that are drastically altering the balance of power between alliances. Biggest bug altering balance of power is the asteroid content bug. -Bart
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.16 19:43:00 - [506] sorry i am more than a little upset about the region being bugged. i did not mean to feed the trolls, it was just a late night and annoyance setting in. But we do need a response from a DEV on when region will be fixed Thanks RK
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.16 19:46:00 - [507] Not to mention that everybody who has high mining skills and lives out here can't use those skills at all. CCP's on Customer's concerns about broken roids in new regions: Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Zephyrys Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.16 19:53:00 - [508] I got a new region miner thats sitting in the login screen cause she is pretty useless for actual mining... Spending more time logged out of the game while training my fighter then sitting there mining rocks that vanish after 2 cycles -------------- Active Miner improvement Threads = 5 Active Miner improvement Threads with Dev Response = 0
Stalert Balakos Fallen Angels Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.16 22:08:00 - [509] I know the reason we don't have profession sites in the new regions is because the drones aren't a proper faction as such but could we not have profession sites from the other factions? After all, if player-run corporations and alliances have headed out into the new regions in search of new opportunities, wouldn't it make sense that the NPCs would do the same? They could have already found some archaelogy sites (which should be thick on the ground is the backstory is to be believed) which would give us maganetometric signatures to find and of course they'd need to set up comms with their home bases in other regions and that would give us hacking (radar) sites. How about it CCP? Let's have something else to do in the new regions apart from chain the unfeasibly dull rats. Oh, and fix the roids as well please
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.16 22:14:00 - [510] We pay for this game too, CCP. Remember that.
Ademius Knortak A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.17 01:55:00 - [511] We stripped a Belt last week to test... still not a single roid re-spawned. I'd call that pretty much broken. If not even the "promised" fixes are happening we maybe have to protest a bit louder. ... like shuttleblobbing Jita twice a day... but i guess that gets us banned and thus the new region problem solved one way or another.
Shurikane	Posted - 2007.04.17 02:41:00 - [512] I'm a miner and my Covetor is useless. Fix the new regions!
Toxic Four Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.17 03:35:00 - [513] Clearly the problem that is identified in this thread is the difference between CCP's idea of what was wrong with the roids and what the players idea of what is wrong with the roids. When you (devs) said the roids were being fixed in the last patch were were happy. Very happy considering the large investment we had sunk into these regions and our hard work addressing the logistic difficulties. What we have here is a failure to communicate. The broken roids you were talking about fixing it turns out were apparantly a few rocks in one very small part of the new regions. The broken roids we expected you would want to fix ASAP were every roid in every solar system in the region. Thank you for providing this facility for us to address this problem with our communications. OH WAIT! 15 pages of communications from the players with nary a word from you? What gives?
Hiesi FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 03:40:00 - [514] bumpage from another drone regions player. Dev input please
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.17 05:55:00 - [515] so any idea what we can do accept quiting game?
Karanth Gallente Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.17 06:27:00 - [516] BUMP for righteous fixing of new regions. Free beer for those who mod my sig! I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.17 07:52:00 - [517] another bump for DEV response! RK
Slickster Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation	Posted - 2007.04.17 11:11:00 - [518] yep the ore is soooo broke it needs a fix badly To POD or to be PODDED that is the Question ?
Califax Oman Mining Bytes Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:36:00 - [519] \0/ Did my first mining op with my corp in the new areas. We loaded up the barges, moved them into the belts only to find out all the rocks are tiny and don't even last a whole cycle. The new regions are awsome, I love the rats, the empty space, the logistics required to live here. It very much has the feel of a fronter area. For that I am very happy The rocks could use just a little tiny bit of love CCP. Not asking for them to have the honking 3000 units in each roid but more than 200 or 300 would be nice. Please? VOTE MR.MAYHEM'S MASS SUICIDE PARTY IN '08!!!!!
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.17 20:36:00 - [520] they are still broken, 450 units is the largest arknor rock i have found, 123,000 unit is the largest veld i have found. Humm seems as though they are still broke. Bump for DEV response.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:29:00 - [521] Miraxiam, If you don't care about this subject kindly stay out of this thread. Or better yet, come to the new regions and test it for yourself. I hereby promise to grant you safe passage in so that you can check out the situation for youself. Then I will promptly pod you for being such a putz when you're ready to leave. The Drone Regions are BROKEN! They are not 'different' or 'challenging' - they are flat out busted! In spite of Overur's fine example of Customer Service, we still have unanswered questions: 1> Why is there no ore in the Asteroids? 2> Why are there no Hacking or Archeological sites? 3> Why are the Moon Minerals the worst in all of EVE? and most of all... 4> What is supposedly so good in the New Regions that is supposed to make up for all of the inadequecies?
Mika Xander State War Academy	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:26:00 - [522] Ok, two pages ago or so I asked everyone to get more organized on this. So, a few ideas for you, just because I`m bored, and CCP is actually ignoring us. Yes, ignoring their customers. That wise they are. After 5 months of ignoring us, guess it`s time to drop the H bombs. 1) Post pics that you KNOW will force a mod to show up. Personally, I prefer cats pics. We`ve noticed the CCP mods seem to have a certain disgust with them. 2) Flood CCP with bug reports. Let`s be honest: We never did this, I always thought that someone else did! 3) This one is a bit of a joke aimed to BoB and CCP: Let`s surrender to BoB! You`ll see that 24 hours later there`ll be a new patch fixing all this stuff. 4) Make a new rule in your alliance: ¿You have to post in this thread once every 2 days or so¿
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:36:00 - [523] ****ing off the mods enough to get the thread locked isn't going to solve anything. Sad thing is if CCP wants to ignore the problems in the new regions they can, and will. Though I'd invite the devs to get drunk one night, hop on the test server and hold a little mining op in one of the new regions to see first hand how screwed up it is. While they're at it maybe they could do some exploration there too, and fight belt rats that get bumped clear out of the belt on warp in. Then imagine doing that for 5 months.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:45:00 - [524] Mika Xander is my alt, dunno why it was logged.
Toxic Four Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.18 02:26:00 - [525] so when is the next patch? have there been any notes on what to expect? Anything about fixing the roids in the new regions? Any admission of whether they are broke or not?
Vidar Kentoran Minmatar Provenance.	Posted - 2007.04.18 04:35:00 - [526] On the bright side, at least we don't have to worry about anyone wanting to take our space!
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.18 07:40:00 - [527] What do you know still no response from CCP! When are you folks going to respond to paying customers??
Zephyrys Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:26:00 - [528] Maybe when they finally realize they killed the game cause everyone is quitting -------------- Active Miner improvement Threads = 5 Active Miner improvement Threads with Dev Response = 0
Neko Sornan eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.18 09:30:00 - [529] Edited by: Neko Sornan on 18/04/2007 09:26:27 Originally by: Princess Jodi The Drone Regions are BROKEN! They are not 'different' or 'challenging' - they are flat out busted! In spite of Overur's fine example of Customer Service, we still have unanswered questions: 1> Why is there no ore in the Asteroids? 2> Why are there no Hacking or Archeological sites? That are the main questions in my mind that came up after discussing that topic within the alliance, too. Perhaps CCP should state how the roids in the new regions are indented to be, so we can point to the differences and perhaps write some proper bug reports on that topic. Same with the profession sites. All explorers from the new regions you ask can tell you they aren't there, some already taken that as intented by CCP also. Who knows, maybe it's so, but at least they could tell us then!
Agyban Nagy EON Order Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:05:00 - [530] Fix the new regions... This is my first post, but if "All quiet on the western front", maybe this is the last :(
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:37:00 - [531] Originally by: ShadowAgony Oo Me wants faction drones ah and yes faction drones should drop ANY faction modules availabe out there. k>? :) I'd settle for just about any random loot as to make it less like mining and more like the hunting other people do. Rogue drones best weapon is the terminal boredom they dish on people encountering them. Also Known As
Heraku Oerlikon Contraves Aerospace	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:42:00 - [532] Edited by: Heraku on 18/04/2007 11:41:26 Edited by: Heraku on 18/04/2007 11:40:24 Originally by: Cruel Fox so any idea what we can do accept quiting game? Sadly the only language that CCP seems to understand is to vote with your wallet. And to CCP Oveur : If i dont like it there, there are about x other online games with less arrogant employees, that love to take my monthly subscriptions. That beeing said 3 Accounts cancelled. And no you cant have my stuff. CCP's answer on Customer's concerns about broken roids in new regions: Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Gerog Gallente Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:55:00 - [533] Heck, we are not even on the Known Issues page. Please file a Bug Report if you haven't. I know some of have done it multiple time, but if more people do it, they might, yes I said might, do something. Thanks, Gerog
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.18 13:43:00 - [534] My own Belt Rat tanker account was cancelled about 2 months ago!. CCP, how many accounts will have to be cancelled before you respond? Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Kaylana Syi The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.18 14:54:00 - [535] He did respond. There are 3 things to bug report. I think Oveur is done with this thread tbh. Once you bug report something it goes into a que. 12km/s belt rats are EVERYWHERE and its not something the logserver can discover why it happens. Broken astroids and comlexes should be in que to be fixed so for heavens sake just be patient. Its not like there isn't obscene amount of isk to be made in those areas. FYI... compare that area with providence then come back to this thread and see how crap your region is. Team Minmatar
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.18 15:38:00 - [536] Originally by: Kaylana Syi He did respond. There are 3 things to bug report. I think Oveur is done with this thread tbh. Once you bug report something it goes into a que. 12km/s belt rats are EVERYWHERE and its not something the logserver can discover why it happens. Broken astroids and comlexes should be in que to be fixed so for heavens sake just be patient. Its not like there isn't obscene amount of isk to be made in those areas. FYI... compare that area with providence then come back to this thread and see how crap your region is. Another know-everything. Sorry dude, but please tell me why Oveur doesn't tell us that the bug fix is in the making? That is all we want. A tiny post saying that "We are aware that the asteroids are very small! and we're working hard on fixing the problem. But for now, please be patient!." that would fix EVERYTHING!. (as long as he remembers to say the same thing about the 12km/sec thing too) Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:50:00 - [537] Originally by: Kaylana Syi He did respond. There are 3 things to bug report. I think Oveur is done with this thread tbh. Once you bug report something it goes into a que. 12km/s belt rats are EVERYWHERE and its not something the logserver can discover why it happens. Broken astroids and comlexes should be in que to be fixed so for heavens sake just be patient. Its not like there isn't obscene amount of isk to be made in those areas. FYI... compare that area with providence then come back to this thread and see how crap your region is. There is more ore in any 1.0 system in the Forge than in the entire Drone Regions constelation. Are you sure you want to compare Providence with our regions now? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) What? No! ATTICA! ATTICA! -Rikeka
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:54:00 - [538] bug report filed, petition filed. Lets get a response from CCP in this thread stating when bugs will be fixed in the new regions. RK
Karanth Gallente Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.18 19:14:00 - [539] Back to the top with ye! Free beer for those who mod my sig! I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh
Zephyrys Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.18 19:17:00 - [540] Edited by: Zephyrys on 18/04/2007 19:13:57 Dev Voice chat Ok guys.. we got a way to bend their ear... lets get to it and make sure that channel is full of miners -------------- Active Miner improvement Threads = 5 Active Miner improvement Threads with Dev Response = 0
DaMaster Architect SOTI Inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 19:24:00 - [541] people.. read the devblog! I quote: Originally by: "CCP Oveur" ...and various other fixes in there - we were happy - but not quite there. For example, the asteroid reseed in the new regions is slow - because it's a reseed, it's not a refill of them all. They take time to grow to their original size, but at least, now they are growing (which they didn't). We're still monitoring it and have been looking at the mineral count of all the regions vs. other regions. [...] In new content, we have more Exploration sites for the whole universe (including some special love for the Drone regions)... [...] In any case, know that you are not ignored, we're quite aware of the situation and you could really help us out. Those last three devblogs really made me smile. Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Lookylooklook	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:01:00 - [542] \o/ Responses make us happy cows!
Agyban Nagy EON Order Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.04.19 09:20:00 - [543] To the top, we will see, if they fix the 'roids :)
ShadowAgony An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.19 10:23:00 - [544] "Special Love" -> it doesnt sounds good to me at all i think all we want its to be normal?
Gerog Gallente Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.19 11:09:00 - [545] Originally by: DaMaster Architect people.. read the devblog! I quote: Originally by: "CCP Oveur" ...and various other fixes in there - we were happy - but not quite there. For example, the asteroid reseed in the new regions is slow - because it's a reseed, it's not a refill of them all. They take time to grow to their original size, but at least, now they are growing (which they didn't). We're still monitoring it and have been looking at the mineral count of all the regions vs. other regions. [...] In new content, we have more Exploration sites for the whole universe (including some special love for the Drone regions)... [...] In any case, know that you are not ignored, we're quite aware of the situation and you could really help us out. Those last three devblogs really made me smile. Well at least it's some recognition. Hopefully they fix it and we can let this thread die. Gerog
Ademius Knortak A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.19 12:15:00 - [546] ..back to first page you go.
Otellus Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.04.19 12:16:00 - [547] I am getting some reports that they're trying to fix it on Sisi atm, gonna check that out tonight.
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.19 13:57:00 - [548] So.. they want it to reseed from 100 to 3000?¦I'm happy, but with the current speed, thats like next year :D haha. Anyways, i sure hope it'll be fixed properly this time. Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.19 16:45:00 - [549] Canceling 3 mine accounts until fix!
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.19 17:00:00 - [550] Fix it now!!! OMG......
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.20 00:04:00 - [551] BUMP for the cause. And some more feedback on the supposed fix would be welcome. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) What? No! ATTICA! ATTICA! -Rikeka
Karanth Gallente Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.20 00:49:00 - [552] At the moment, my usable industrial skills consist of Refining Efficiency 5, and that's about it. Make training all those ore processing skills worth it! Free beer for those who mod my sig! I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.20 09:02:00 - [553] Edited by: Sir Bart on 20/04/2007 08:58:57 It looks to me like Ovuer believes the asteroids to be fixed and that we just need to let the roids re-grow... however, when you pop an asteroid and it respawns later, doesn't it respawn at a reasonable size? So our home systems that get totally stripped once in awhile should not be normal by now? If that doesn't make sense, is there anything a miner can tell me about how to encourage belts to regrow? -Bart
Kirja Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.20 11:12:00 - [554] signed with my two accounts as somebody said "whining gets you stuff" ;)

CCP TomB	Posted - 2007.04.20 13:51:00 - [555] Dear friends and foes of Rogue Drones. We have been on this issue for quite a time, which has been split into a history of multiple issues that have delayed . Asteroids in 8 new regions arn't respawning - we spend quite a time looking at code to see if something was preventing these new regions for having asteroids reseeded in quantity, and verifying that it was indeed working as intended. Asteroid belts had off-grid stones - this was a general issue with asteroid belts but the 8 new regions had the worst version of this issue. This was fixed a few patches ago. The amount of ore in the 8 new regions is less! - yet another issue that didn't make sense to us, the total amount of roids was around the same as for other regions, we spend quite a lot of time looking if big portion of them were "hidden". Now that we finally found out that #3 was the real issue but in another way; the asteroids are just way smaller than found in other regions, but there are are way more of them. We didn't think of this being a possible issue at the time being, as we didn't realize that strip miners empty the amount in few seconds while the cycle would be up to 10 minutes. I must admit I feel stupid not to see the true issue until now and having spend quite a lot of development time into digging holes at wrong locations. But the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action. Feel free to hate me until the fix is out. TomB Lead Designer EVE Online .

Disteeler Moritso Technologies	Posted - 2007.04.20 14:21:00 - [556] OOMMGGGGGG!!!111!!!! Great!!!!
Ronan Teisdari The Graduates Ivy League	Posted - 2007.04.20 14:30:00 - [557] Well... hopefully it will get fixed sooner then later. We logged in today (Friday), the normal day for most ore to respawn, to find belts empty with no respawn at all.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.20 14:35:00 - [558] Originally by: CCP TomB Dear friends and foes of Rogue Drones. We have been on this issue for quite a time, which has been split into a history of multiple issues that have delayed . Asteroids in 8 new regions arn't respawning - we spend quite a time looking at code to see if something was preventing these new regions for having asteroids reseeded in quantity, and verifying that it was indeed working as intended. Asteroid belts had off-grid stones - this was a general issue with asteroid belts but the 8 new regions had the worst version of this issue. This was fixed a few patches ago. The amount of ore in the 8 new regions is less! - yet another issue that didn't make sense to us, the total amount of roids was around the same as for other regions, we spend quite a lot of time looking if big portion of them were "hidden". Now that we finally found out that #3 was the real issue but in another way; the asteroids are just way smaller than found in other regions, but there are are way more of them. We didn't think of this being a possible issue at the time being, as we didn't realize that strip miners empty the amount in few seconds while the cycle would be up to 10 minutes. I must admit I feel stupid not to see the true issue until now and having spend quite a lot of development time into digging holes at wrong locations. But the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action. Feel free to hate me until the fix is out. Well, it took you long enough But an honest reply always makes up for a lot of bad feelings
Ghan Tylous Caldari The Graduates Ivy League	Posted - 2007.04.20 14:36:00 - [559] Edited by: Ghan Tylous on 20/04/2007 14:33:59 Nevermind.... Ronan was faster than me --- It have always fallen to a few to sacrifice for the good of many Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.20 15:56:00 - [560] Did i just saw admition they REALLY found them broken after all stupicd crap we got on INTENTIONS! And finally - to all whiners out there who was trying to explain us that roids r well - come and post now. BTW - eta on fix?
Zigg Omelo eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.20 17:11:00 - [561] Originally by: CCP TomB Feel free to hate me until the fix is out. It is still building up
Forzen Gallente Tachivana Technologies Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.20 17:13:00 - [562] I'd say we told you so but i think you already know that CCP At least now its getting fixed
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.20 22:27:00 - [563] Originally by: CCP TomB ... the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action. Feel free to hate me until the fix is out. Most of the hate came from not getting a reply, now that you've acknowledged the problem and told us you are working on it, I think you'll find we can show a lot more patience. -Bart
Reachok Amarr Low Grade Ore Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.04.20 22:46:00 - [564] Originally by: Sir Bart Originally by: CCP TomB ... the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action. Feel free to hate me until the fix is out. Most of the hate came from not getting a reply, now that you've acknowledged the problem and told us you are working on it, I think you'll find we can show a lot more patience. -Bart Aye!! Thanks for looking, and thanks for replying!! And please next time, just a couple lines saying, "We're looking at it, it's 378 thousand lines of code and will take a while to completely verify" or something similar.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.20 23:45:00 - [565] Originally by: CCP TomB Dear friends and foes of Rogue Drones. We have been on this issue for quite a time, which has been split into a history of multiple issues that have delayed . Asteroids in 8 new regions arn't respawning - we spend quite a time looking at code to see if something was preventing these new regions for having asteroids reseeded in quantity, and verifying that it was indeed working as intended. Asteroid belts had off-grid stones - this was a general issue with asteroid belts but the 8 new regions had the worst version of this issue. This was fixed a few patches ago. The amount of ore in the 8 new regions is less! - yet another issue that didn't make sense to us, the total amount of roids was around the same as for other regions, we spend quite a lot of time looking if big portion of them were "hidden". Now that we finally found out that #3 was the real issue but in another way; the asteroids are just way smaller than found in other regions, but there are are way more of them. We didn't think of this being a possible issue at the time being, as we didn't realize that strip miners empty the amount in few seconds while the cycle would be up to 10 minutes. I must admit I feel stupid not to see the true issue until now and having spend quite a lot of development time into digging holes at wrong locations. But the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action. Feel free to hate me until the fix is out. I'm just glad to finally see a reply. But maybe next time when you guys run into dead ends trying to track down bugs that many players insist are there you could reply in threads like this with the information you have asking for help in tracking it down. I'm sure a lot of time could have been saved with questions like "How many roids do you guys see in the belts (roughly)? How many units do you get out of each type of roid?" etc. We'd have been more than happy to help track it down if only we'd known what information you needed...
Par'Gellen Gallente Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2007.04.21 00:04:00 - [566] Originally by: Xelios I'm just glad to finally see a reply. But maybe next time when you guys run into dead ends trying to track down bugs that many players insist are there you could reply in threads like this with the information you have asking for help in tracking it down. I'm sure a lot of time could have been saved with questions like "How many roids do you guys see in the belts (roughly)? How many units do you get out of each type of roid?" etc. We'd have been more than happy to help track it down if only we'd known what information you needed... Yeah I wondered why a dev didn't simply ask someone to show them what the problem was. I bet they would have had trouble finding people in that area that DIDN'T want to show them the exact problem. --- CCP : Save my mousewheel!
Toxic Four Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.21 03:16:00 - [567] Thanks for the feedback. A statement of what the belts are supposed to be like -- as in NOT somehow gimped because the drones are always eating them etc is what I wanted to see.
Twixies Tenacious Danes Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.21 12:41:00 - [568] Edited by: Twixies on 21/04/2007 12:41:50 Well.. my probes are ready, and maybe my Miner II I'm glad you find the bug...Good work DEV
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.21 16:11:00 - [569] /me reserves final comments until I see how this gets implemented. I think the other people got it right though in their responses...... next time FFS just ask the same 100's of people that have reported this issue, and keep us updated. Would save alot of frustration and people idling or quitting their accounts.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.22 07:16:00 - [570] I just did a run on the test server today and got no new scan results, only grav and unknown signatures. More needs to be done that upping the escalation rate, we need the different plexes like everyone else. Also I didnt notice difference with the roids, but I think that may be something that we will have to wait until its on tq to test I know we had verification on the problem with the roids. And I would like to know about the exploration sites.
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.22 17:39:00 - [571] w000t!!! Won't hate you as long as we know you guys are working on it! This is awesome news...just hope doesnt take 1yr tho.. :) Originally by: CCP TomB Dear friends and foes of Rogue Drones. We have been on this issue for quite a time, which has been split into a history of multiple issues that have delayed . Asteroids in 8 new regions arn't respawning - we spend quite a time looking at code to see if something was preventing these new regions for having asteroids reseeded in quantity, and verifying that it was indeed working as intended. Asteroid belts had off-grid stones - this was a general issue with asteroid belts but the 8 new regions had the worst version of this issue. This was fixed a few patches ago. The amount of ore in the 8 new regions is less! - yet another issue that didn't make sense to us, the total amount of roids was around the same as for other regions, we spend quite a lot of time looking if big portion of them were "hidden". Now that we finally found out that #3 was the real issue but in another way; the asteroids are just way smaller than found in other regions, but there are are way more of them. We didn't think of this being a possible issue at the time being, as we didn't realize that strip miners empty the amount in few seconds while the cycle would be up to 10 minutes. I must admit I feel stupid not to see the true issue until now and having spend quite a lot of development time into digging holes at wrong locations. But the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action. Feel free to hate me until the fix is out. CCP's on Customer's concerns about broken roids in new regions: Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.22 20:19:00 - [572] Originally by: CCP TomB Dear friends and foes of Rogue Drones. We have been on this issue for quite a time, which has been split into a history of multiple issues that have delayed . Asteroids in 8 new regions arn't respawning - we spend quite a time looking at code to see if something was preventing these new regions for having asteroids reseeded in quantity, and verifying that it was indeed working as intended. Asteroid belts had off-grid stones - this was a general issue with asteroid belts but the 8 new regions had the worst version of this issue. This was fixed a few patches ago. The amount of ore in the 8 new regions is less! - yet another issue that didn't make sense to us, the total amount of roids was around the same as for other regions, we spend quite a lot of time looking if big portion of them were "hidden". Now that we finally found out that #3 was the real issue but in another way; the asteroids are just way smaller than found in other regions, but there are are way more of them. We didn't think of this being a possible issue at the time being, as we didn't realize that strip miners empty the amount in few seconds while the cycle would be up to 10 minutes. I must admit I feel stupid not to see the true issue until now and having spend quite a lot of development time into digging holes at wrong locations. But the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action. Feel free to hate me until the fix is out. Rather than saying "There's 5000 other solar systems" or "We've fixed it already" or "Everything is working as it should" or absolutely nothing, if you'd posted "There's problems, we don't know what these are" or even just open a convo with me about it and avoid all the forum stuff. I'd have gotten every alliance in the new regions testing stuff for you. I'd have assigned someone to filter through feedback and give you a concentrated dose of what's going on. For months we've been sitting here thinking you don't have a care in the world about us. I very much welcome your post, and I'm over the moon you've fixed it. But you know if you'd said "The asteroids from where I'm looking seem to be the same as other regions" or "Somethings, wrong, we don't know what it is. We ARE working on it" then you'd have gotten a whole lot less whines, and much better feeling over it. I know many people have already left the new regions in disgust. All it would have taken would have been "We know. We are working on it, it's up at the top of the list". But anyway, thanks for fixing it. And hopefully we can see it in the next patch. One point I would dispute with you is that there "are way more of them". We can clear a belt in minutes. I know we can't do that elsewhere. But like I said, any help you need. Contact me and I'll get it done. Or contact someone else. But we will help, it's in our interests. Galaxian Recruitment Info
The Power HighTech Marines Ltd. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.22 21:39:00 - [573] Edited by: The Power on 22/04/2007 21:36:32 Originally by: CCP Oveur Originally by: Stamm Originally by: CCP Oveur Oh, now I understand better the loot, you mean the composition is to zyd/nocx heavy? I hadn't thought about it like that, I was referring to rogue drones not having loot, which is one of their main traits (CONCORD doesn't give a flying intercourse about rogue drones). The composition is however intentional, you don't have all but we can datamine this specifically. There are other sources than the new regions for the compounds so I wouldn't single that out as the only reason for price fluctuations. Again, thanks for replying Oveur, you may not realise it, but by simply replying to me you've probably shown a bit of a light at the end of the tunnel for all the frustrated new regions alliances. Yeah, it's what I meant. I see what you mean about the zyd/nocx. Of course we shouldn't have perfect building requirements in minerals dropping. However, are you intending doing anything about zyd/nocx prices if they continue to drop? Zyd has gone to about 50% of what it was when the new regions come out. Nocx stood a little better, but the price has been crashing. Zydrine 180 day average Nocxium 180 day average Those are the two minerals that rogue drones are "heavy" on, and it's pretty clear the price is plumetting. Would we do anything about the market price if it drops? The short answer is no, we don't want to mess with the economy in a direct manner. However, we have through time changed composition and distribution of minerals to addres certain long-term situations. However, as long as for example Zyd stays around 1024, it's base price, we have no worries. Base price is 1024 ?! http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/EN/manufactureresearch/materials/minerals/39.asp You could have fouled me
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.24 06:28:00 - [574] What about fix of EXPLORATION?
Ahz	Posted - 2007.04.24 23:17:00 - [575] Originally by: Stamm * Broken rewards for belt rats * No faction spawns ...for now the drone regions are less rewarding than other regions, more hassle, and for the most part, simply broken. I'd add "boring as all get out" to this list. In the drone regions ratting is more like weeding. Same junk in each rat regardless of how tough it is to kill. Very little variation. In the faction regions you've always got the chance of running into the 100 mil ISK faction mod. In the belt regions it's 1 mil per BS. Every single time.
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:16:00 - [576] can we get a time line on the fix please thank you, RK
Turin Caldari RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.04.26 18:04:00 - [577] Originally by: CCP TomB Dear friends and foes of Rogue Drones. We have been on this issue for quite a time, which has been split into a history of multiple issues that have delayed . Asteroids in 8 new regions arn't respawning - we spend quite a time looking at code to see if something was preventing these new regions for having asteroids reseeded in quantity, and verifying that it was indeed working as intended. Asteroid belts had off-grid stones - this was a general issue with asteroid belts but the 8 new regions had the worst version of this issue. This was fixed a few patches ago. The amount of ore in the 8 new regions is less! - yet another issue that didn't make sense to us, the total amount of roids was around the same as for other regions, we spend quite a lot of time looking if big portion of them were "hidden". Now that we finally found out that #3 was the real issue but in another way; the asteroids are just way smaller than found in other regions, but there are are way more of them. We didn't think of this being a possible issue at the time being, as we didn't realize that strip miners empty the amount in few seconds while the cycle would be up to 10 minutes. I must admit I feel stupid not to see the true issue until now and having spend quite a lot of development time into digging holes at wrong locations. But the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action. Feel free to hate me until the fix is out. THANK you for finally seeing the major issue here. Although it took a while. I am sure that all the rest of us will gladly look forward to a fix. ________________________________________________________
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.26 22:17:00 - [578] Would be nice to know when this will be fixed though. Aside of that, I`ll believe this when I see it. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) What? No! ATTICA! ATTICA! -Rikeka
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.27 02:39:00 - [579] What ime we r looking on this and when EXPLORATION will be fixed; -u know about this to be broken since u were trying to fix it in 1.4.1 patch but u didnt! - u dont get any reward from our exploration sites!! (dont say after 4 month we didnt tould u) Bump!
Commander BlackJack Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.27 22:42:00 - [580] When TomB wrote the response regarding the asteroids i had a private convo with him when he was in our region. And he said that they're going to improve the rouge drone complexes & exploration in the new regions. no ETA tho.
Pherusa Plumosa Minmatar Freedom for All The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:48:00 - [581] Quote: To rectify this, weÆre adding a chance of getting commander spawns (your Arch Angels, Dark Bloods and so on) to the end of all escalation sites, as well as reviewing and occasionally revising the difficulty of certain sites. Hopefully this should make them a little more worthwhile. So we get "officer drones" dropping more compounds than normal or any other basic materials for which ccp wants to fix market prices?
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:59:00 - [582] Also we aren't getting any t2 salvage from drones. In other regions a faction spawn will give you some t2 salvage. Here, we have none of these spawns so we don't get t2 salvage atm. Also, we have no gas clouds. I have found giant scary stalagmite or something that oozes green gas. But the gas isnt harvestable. Could you change that before rev 2 so we don't miss out on months of possible booster production?
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.04.30 05:05:00 - [583] I haven't checked, but am I to understand that there's boatloads of hidden belts that are just waiting to push Zyd to 1024? ---

CCP Fear	Posted - 2007.04.30 10:39:00 - [584] A bit more info on the situation. The most common exploration complex in the new region was broken but has now been fixed and awaits deployment onto TQ. That will happen in the next static update. We are also adding a lot of more smaller engagements, that will have some good fights and good loot which should spice up the new regions considerably. Fear

Zigg Omelo eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.30 11:04:00 - [585] Originally by: CCP Fear A bit more info on the situation. The most common exploration complex in the new region was broken but has now been fixed and awaits deployment onto TQ. That will happen in the next static update. We are also adding a lot of more smaller engagements, that will have some good fights and good loot which should spice up the new regions considerably. Fear Thank you
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.30 11:05:00 - [586] Quote: Also we aren't getting any t2 salvage from drones. In other regions a faction spawn will give you some t2 salvage. Here, we have none of these spawns so we don't get t2 salvage atm. It's true we don't get any at all, but the drop rates for t2 salvage is a global problem. I spent some time ratting in Stain recently and only 2/4 commanders dropped a single t2 salvage part each. A 22 mil officer I found dropped no salvage whatsoever. The drop rate for these things is so low that most t2 rigs cost over 500 million isk just to produce at Jita prices.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.05.01 01:06:00 - [587] Any update from the miners in the Drone Regions? How`s the roid situation right now?
Hiesi FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 05:35:00 - [588] I haven't heard of any change in the roids as yet. Not a miner myself though. Some tougher rats will be nice and if there's the likely hood that exploration can be useful out here that would be sweet.
Steven McWayne Gallente Decadence. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.02 16:05:00 - [589] I was my first time now in the new regions for checking roids. I scanned them and only can say, its not worth to put a Hulk with t2 stuff in there. I mean there so small, i need only 1,5 cycles to pop a roid, they only have up to 500(Crokite/Arkonor) units in them, so i have to move every 4,5 minutes around. Another issue are those drones, i'm living in Branch and we live from Crokite but now its not worth to mine it. I skilled month's to fly a Hulk on lvl 5 with t2 crystals and other stuff and now the ppl are shooting faster zydrine then i can mine. And the allies that live in the south where they can mine megacyte have now a real $$$ advantage.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:40:00 - [590] Thx for the update, man. I guess mining has YET not been fixed! /me is guessing that when we stopped bumping this thread, CCP believed we all have moved out of the Drone Regions! Yay for the 5000 other systems!
Garrett Smith ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 02:08:00 - [591] Meh, better fix in next update make the region in line w/ other regions w/ income because we have to do a lot more work to get income. Need gas clouds and complexes that drop lewt in line isk wise w/ other regions. Originally by: El Yatta they shouldnt have gotten involved in supercaps, because on the whole they are very dull, except for 2-3 people in the alliance who get to go "wheee, i cant be scrambled, pwn pwn".
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 02:29:00 - [592] Well I would like a devblog on it, or at least an eta for the fix. I dont want to wait months for rev 2 to fix something that should have been addressed long ago.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.03 11:49:00 - [593] According to DEV Fear - exploartion will be fixed in the next static update Whats next static update? Is that next patch or what is it?
mineyoassoff	Posted - 2007.05.03 12:02:00 - [594] CCP - Still waiting for an ETA on when this will be fixed. 1) Roids still messed up 2) exploration sites not worth the time to use due to being broken I've noticed that the "mining" of drones is uber nerfed as well. On the one hand, the days of triple BS spawns are gone at least where I live. On the other hand, if you get lucky to find a 2 bs, 3 cruiser or so spawn, the BS's see your ship and they split 50% of the time, reaching sustained speeds of 5000km....... No crying here, but good grief with sustained fighting for control of the regions YOU opened up to allow room for people to expand, you would think that fixing issues that put residents at a significant disadvantage out here would be a hot item. A suggestion earlier was perfect, how about a DevBlog on the new regions and an ETA as to when these issues are actually going to be addressed. Better, I'd be happy to spend time with ANY of the devs out there showing what's wrong as I'm sure many others here would. /signed
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.05.03 12:43:00 - [595] Originally by: CCP Fear A bit more info on the situation. The most common exploration complex in the new region was broken but has now been fixed and awaits deployment onto TQ. That will happen in the next static update. We are also adding a lot of more smaller engagements, that will have some good fights and good loot which should spice up the new regions considerably. Fear Good loot, bad loot, just get some different loot in there, knowing before hand exactly what you're going to be getting is a killer. People are being assimilated at an alarming rate, turning into drones themselves. Also Known As
Kodiak31415 An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.03 18:54:00 - [596] Fix rouge drones.......please? _______________________________ Pleese exucse any seplling erroos in this psot
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter.	Posted - 2007.05.03 19:46:00 - [597] nice to see some action here, i have old friends living in the drone regions, and im tired of listening to them whine i think the missing arch and hacking sites is somewhat understandable...the regions were unreachable by the normal factions, so who would have arch and hacking sites here? basically, CCP needs to make special drone versions of these sites, and hopefully this is what was meant with the comment about special loving for the drone regions with regards to explorations. next, i think its SOMEWHAT fine that the asteroid belts are less then other regions, providing that you can get the high ends you need from ratting, and the low ends you need from exploration hidden belts, and special drone versions of hauler spawns. different, but equivalent value. until we know how the final belt fixes pan out, and exploration fixes, cant make a final conclusion here, plus we would still need a hauler spawn for drones. however, missing minerals in the belts does fit with the backstory, the drones are stripping the belts. we just need a mechanism to steal the mins from the drones. lack of static complexes is fine, CCP prolly didnt want to make any, only to remove them when they remove ALL static complexes. however, they are making a high chance for spawning of the new type in constellations that had a static complex, i feel the drone regions should get a few areas of this as well. so hopefully this will self balance out with revelations 2.0 belt rats need to be fixed, nanonerf the npcs. no conquerable stations is ok...they were a hack until outposts were added, still, drone regions start behind because of this. fixing the above problems would make this not such a big deal. hopefully the drone regions will mature into viable regions while maintaining a unique flavor. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
kill0rbunny Alpha-Hirogen The Pentagram	Posted - 2007.05.04 09:17:00 - [598] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn i think the missing arch and hacking sites is somewhat understandable...the regions were unreachable by the normal factions, so who would have arch and hacking sites here? basically, CCP needs to make special drone versions of these sites, and hopefully this is what was meant with the comment about special loving for the drone regions with regards to explorations. I think it could fit into roleplay perfectly to have complexes with faction navy in it, drone region pioneers or something. They could drop navy modules from time to time and those funny tags. I would spend all day long exploring for those. Wouldn't make instant money as the drones do either and market would not be flooded by nox/zyd. Drone hunting and dropping the same stupid alloys all the time is incredibly boring.
Malcanis High4Life	Posted - 2007.05.04 09:19:00 - [599] Originally by: kill0rbunny Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn i think the missing arch and hacking sites is somewhat understandable...the regions were unreachable by the normal factions, so who would have arch and hacking sites here? basically, CCP needs to make special drone versions of these sites, and hopefully this is what was meant with the comment about special loving for the drone regions with regards to explorations. I think it could fit into roleplay perfectly to have complexes with faction navy in it, drone region pioneers or something. They could drop navy modules from time to time and those funny tags. I would spend all day long exploring for those. Wouldn't make instant money as the drones do either and market would not be flooded by nox/zyd. Drone hunting and dropping the same stupid alloys all the time is incredibly boring. Drones should give salvage not minerals as loot.
Tsanir	Posted - 2007.05.04 11:44:00 - [600] I'm a miner so most of these aspects are okay with me (well, maybe not mining with guns, but whatever, just adapt), I'd just like to know from the devs whether the roids are in fact supposed to be this small. Just want to know so I can decide whether to hang around or take off for somewhere else.
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.04 14:28:00 - [601] Edited by: Sinder Ohm on 04/05/2007 14:32:48 Edited by: Sinder Ohm on 04/05/2007 14:26:02 BUMP Any comment on faction spawns in the drone regions ?? Originally by: Rawne Karrde PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
kill0rbunny Alpha-Hirogen The Pentagram	Posted - 2007.05.04 16:30:00 - [602] Edited by: kill0rbunny on 04/05/2007 16:29:04 Edited by: kill0rbunny on 04/05/2007 16:28:41 Edited by: kill0rbunny on 04/05/2007 16:26:20 Originally by: Sinder Ohm Edited by: Sinder Ohm on 04/05/2007 14:32:48 Edited by: Sinder Ohm on 04/05/2007 14:26:02 BUMP Any comment on faction spawns in the drone regions ?? Who needs faction spawns, i want to make some money, at least a bit more than from Level 3 Mission farming. Drone Loot is gimped, i believe faction drones would only drop more gimped loot. A steady income would be nice. I mean those drones have mounted weapons to shoot back, why shouldn't they drop them if they're killed. Faction Navy Exploration Sites like those in enemys abound or human cattle would still be nice too. I begin to love this idea more the more i think about it.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.05 21:15:00 - [603] Just went out to mine in a system we havent visited in a few weeks. All of the roid last only about 2 cycles (if that). The roids were improved in only some areas. Also can we have an eta on when the next 'static' update will be so we will know when it will be practical to dust off our probe launchers
Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.05.05 21:23:00 - [604] Originally by: kill0rbunny ... I mean those drones have mounted weapons to shoot back, why shouldn't they drop them if they're killed... And where do you think the drones who've been cut off from the rest of the galaxy for ages are getting these weapons from to drop? They shopping in Jita too? "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 05:03:00 - [605] So what we have till now is EMPTY WORDS! No actions no done things Roids broken - exploration broken! Bump!
Kodiak31415 An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.07 06:12:00 - [606] Any news from ccp? After 2 months of this thread and half a year of open drone regions it would be nice to get more than some half hearted replys and amessage from saying "you don't hve to live there". Also, somone said that they were fixig some of the exploration sites. From what I have heard the exploration sites are almost impossible to find. Fixing sites that no one can find seems kind of pointless to me. _______________________________ Pleese exucse any seplling erroos in this psot
Bishop 5 Gallente Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:03:00 - [607] Can we get a couple of the lower ranked BS to drop lots of the stuff you need to refine to get trit and pyr please? You can reprocess large turrets and launchers etc to get trit n pyr with any other BS rat. The drone frigs drop it in such small quantities it's not really worth it :P ------------- meh
Pherusa Plumosa Minmatar Freedom for All The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:45:00 - [608] Originally by: CCP Fear A bit more info on the situation. The most common exploration complex in the new region was broken but has now been fixed and awaits deployment onto TQ. That will happen in the next static update. We are also adding a lot of more smaller engagements, that will have some good fights and good loot which should spice up the new regions considerably. Fear So 50% of our exploration plexes where bugged? ^^ But more spice sounds great to me :)
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:38:00 - [609] BUMP for the cause!
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.07 20:58:00 - [610] Gotta love the responses here, or lack thereof..... /sarcasm off
Hiesi FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 04:34:00 - [611] Please fix these tediously boring regions. A couple of words is great but it requires continual input into whats happening to fix these areas.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 04:48:00 - [612] Edited by: ghosttr on 08/05/2007 04:44:20 Another thing since the latest patch I have not been able to find exploration sites with quest probes. They appear on the on the initial multispec scan, but i get no results with the quest probe. FIX THIS CCP!
Royaldo KVA Noble Inc. Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 06:02:00 - [613] but the leading developer isnt giving a toss about you guys.. take a hint....
Mary Sperling Perkone	Posted - 2007.05.08 08:16:00 - [614] Why are people complaining about the new region? When they were released they were announced to be poorer mineral wise than the other 0.0 regions, and that fits in RP wise because the rouge drones eat up all the minerals and thats why you get mineral drops from drones. TBH, I wish the new regions were given a bit better ore refresh, and make the drones drop equal amounts of minerals, not just zydrine and mophite heavy.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.05.08 19:39:00 - [615] Originally by: Mary Sperling Why are people complaining about the new region? When they were released they were announced to be poorer mineral wise than the other 0.0 regions, and that fits in RP wise because the rouge drones eat up all the minerals and thats why you get mineral drops from drones. TBH, I wish the new regions were given a bit better ore refresh, and make the drones drop equal amounts of minerals, not just zydrine and mophite heavy. I want to see you mine Veldspar in the Drone Regions, so you understand how broken they are. COME ON CCP! Seriously, why is CCP ignoring us? I bet they don`t like someone who is residing in the Drone Regions. So, CCP, tell us who you don`t like there, and we`ll run him away, with torches, screams, etc.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.05.11 13:46:00 - [616] /me hits the Reply button. /me hides. /me feels lonely on his quest of roid parity.

CCP TomB	Posted - 2007.05.11 14:52:00 - [617] The issue is still being worked on, but it has started. We'll get it ported over once we are at satisfied with the results on our development server. We'll hopefully get a fix ready in ~2 weeks - i.e. if nothing unexpected shows up, like a visit from my in-laws TomB Lead Designer EVE Online .

Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.11 16:03:00 - [618] Originally by: CCP TomB like a visit from my in-laws dude, that's my line. Although, yeah, must be a collective trauma. Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.05.11 17:02:00 - [619] We needed a timetable, and now we have it. Thanks, TomB.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.11 20:04:00 - [620] Bump. Thank you for a timetable on fixes. I was interested to see that someone else was having trouble with probes since the last patch.. I have spent 3 different days, for about 2 hours each day, trying to locate an unknown in B-U299. While it has occasionally taken an hour in the past, I have not been able to find this signature at all. I believe that something did get broken with the last patch. I may try another system this weekend to see if I can locate anything, since it is indeed possible that I've just been terribly unlucky. 3 days in a row... For over an hour each time...with full coverage on all planets. Maybee
Jaikar Isillia	Posted - 2007.05.12 10:20:00 - [621] Thats excellent news. However I'm wondering if this 'fix' is going to be just fixing the mining and exploration or will it be making the ratting more worth while? The rats aren't very exciting compared to the rest of 0.0 Anyways it's good to see that the regions are finally getting looked at. ~~ Jai ~~
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 03:01:00 - [622] Can you tell us in which way the exploration is getting fixed? ( stuff for boosters, and invention items)
Kodiak31415 An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.14 05:06:00 - [623] Originally by: CCP TomB The issue is still being worked on, but it has started. We'll get it ported over once we are at satisfied with the results on our development server. We'll hopefully get a fix ready in ~2 weeks - i.e. if nothing unexpected shows up, like a visit from my in-laws Is sisi the 'development server'? or is this some unknown dev only playground? And I thought eve was your only true love. Maybe the in-laws is CCP code for 'my coworkers' and maybe a 'visit' from these in laws means an extended hangover following a long night of pub crawling that ended about 4 hours after it should have? And oh yeah, Thank you very much. I have been waiting a long time for this news. _______________________________ Pleese exucse any seplling erroos in this psot
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.15 04:14:00 - [624] Bump wont hurt
Tewilligar	Posted - 2007.05.15 23:31:00 - [625] Update from CCP regarding progress on this would be appreciated. Tewilligar.
Kodiak31415 An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.15 23:43:00 - [626] Originally by: Tewilligar Update from CCP regarding progress on this would be appreciated. Tewilligar. Update 4 days ago from Tomb saying that they may have a fix in a couple of weeks. No idea what this 'fix' entails but there is progress being made. P.S. Does your name have any relavance to Terwilliger blvd in Portland? I grew up on that street. P.P.S. Is Tomb's name pronounced 'tomb' like the place you bury someone or 'Tom-B' like a guy named tom and then his last initial? _______________________________ Pleese exucse any seplling erroos in this psot
Tewilligar	Posted - 2007.05.16 00:20:00 - [627] Quote: Update 4 days ago from Tomb saying that they may have a fix in a couple of weeks. No idea what this 'fix' entails but there is progress being made. Thanks for the info, I must have missed it. Quote: P.S. Does your name have any relavance to Terwilliger blvd in Portland? I grew up on that street. No. :) Thx, Tewilligar
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.16 01:08:00 - [628] Glad to hear it's being looked at, can we get some input as to what exactly is being looked at ? \|Father of 1\|Master of All\|
Rabb Darktide Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.05.16 10:19:00 - [629] Back to the top... ---- Rabb Darktide Cirrius Technologies / O X I D E High Council
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.17 12:10:00 - [630] Still waiting on a CCP update, please.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:11:00 - [631] bump
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.19 09:33:00 - [632] If this fix is supposed to be in tuedays patch can we get it added to the official patch notes
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.19 21:29:00 - [633] any word on a timetable? 6 months is a bit long.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.05.19 23:25:00 - [634] Originally by: CCP TomB The issue is still being worked on, but it has started. We'll get it ported over once we are at satisfied with the results on our development server. We'll hopefully get a fix ready in ~2 weeks - i.e. if nothing unexpected shows up, like a visit from my in-laws This was posted on 11/5... So, basically, waiting one more week... Of course, as long as ke keeps his in-laws away...
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.20 23:18:00 - [635] /me sets his calendar for 5/11 - > 5/25. Man after all this time we need some uber loving on drones and exploration sites (hint hint CCP)
Jaikar Isillia	Posted - 2007.05.22 08:49:00 - [636] Be nice to get an update. Shameless bump.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.05.22 21:57:00 - [637] Bumpity bump! "I am matter... I am anti-matter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you!" -Culex (SMRPG)
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.23 05:21:00 - [638] Another patch another NOTHING!
Karanth Gallente Freehold Industries	Posted - 2007.05.23 06:36:00 - [639] RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!! Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth
Kodiak31415 An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.23 20:33:00 - [640] Edited by: Kodiak31415 on 23/05/2007 20:31:41 Originally by: CCP TomB The issue is still being worked on, but it has started. We'll get it ported over once we are at satisfied with the results on our development server. We'll hopefully get a fix ready in ~2 weeks - i.e. if nothing unexpected shows up, like a visit from my in-laws It's been ~2 weeks. Are we getting the fix in the upcomming 1.4.3? From the patch notes the answer would appear to be 'no'. Will the drone regions get fixed before, after, or in rev 2? Or do we need to 'rescue' you from your inlaws? _______________________________ Pleese exucse any seplling erorr's in tihs psot
Trespasser Caldari e X i l e FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 11:34:00 - [641] Hmm Yeah Any more news devs?
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.24 12:20:00 - [642] Well its been 2 weeks, and i don't see 'drone regions getting unb0rked' in the patch notes. Since you said 2 weeks I assume thats before REV 2 (unless you feel like releasing that within the next week or so) Make Mining Better
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.24 15:59:00 - [643] /me prods Eve Dev Team We need an update to these issues. It borders on disrespectful to the playerbase living in the drone regions that we can't get timely updates to issues that have been acknowledged and "are being tested". I can assure you if my STI was in the shop I'd be getting an update....... Seeing as I pay monthly for both my STI and 4 characters on Eve, I should expect the same.
zacuis Darkest Knights	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:10:00 - [644] bumpage yes nothing in the patch notes u guys said 2 weeks its been two weeks a responce on when we can expect the fix is now needed thank u
Adaris Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.24 18:35:00 - [645] Edited by: Adaris on 24/05/2007 18:35:07 Please REMOVE rat loot being Alloys and Compounds. It has destroyed the High-end Ore Market for 6 months. Rat loot can easily be normal modules, all that needs to be done is come up with a suitable excuse for the drones to be carrying those modules. For the love of God, please fix this. Don't let every person who want to mine high-end ore in 0.0 retreat back to empire to mine scordite because it pays better. It is not acceptable to demand of miners to become PVE'ers just so they can out loot (minerals wise) the pve'ers. Shame on you, you are destroying a profession, you have wasted the money and time of thousands of people unless you stop folling around and please make ammends... CCP I BELIEVE IN YOU! DO THE RIGHT THING! PROTECT MINERS FROM ALL 0.0 AND LOWSEC! GET RID OF THE ALLOY/COMPOUND DROPS. Much appreciated. Please Help me, YOU could be next!
Sabian Treehugger	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:25:00 - [646] Originally by: Adaris Edited by: Adaris on 24/05/2007 18:35:07 Please REMOVE rat loot being Alloys and Compounds. It has destroyed the High-end Ore Market for 6 months. Rat loot can easily be normal modules, all that needs to be done is come up with a suitable excuse for the drones to be carrying those modules. For the love of God, please fix this. Don't let every person who want to mine high-end ore in 0.0 retreat back to empire to mine scordite because it pays better. It is not acceptable to demand of miners to become PVE'ers just so they can out loot (minerals wise) the pve'ers. Shame on you, you are destroying a profession, you have wasted the money and time of thousands of people unless you stop folling around and please make ammends... CCP I BELIEVE IN YOU! DO THE RIGHT THING! PROTECT MINERS FROM ALL 0.0 AND LOWSEC! GET RID OF THE ALLOY/COMPOUND DROPS. Much appreciated. /signed and why the **** does a high-sec mission runner get bounties while I in 0.0 risking my ship get none ?
Adaris Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.24 19:27:00 - [647] Originally by: Sabian Treehugger /signed and why the **** does a high-sec mission runner get bounties while I in 0.0 risking my ship get none ? Strangly enough its like the devs forgot to BALANCE THE GAME (sorry for all the caps in my posts, I'm normally not this CAPS crazy) Please Help me, YOU could be next!
Earthan Gallente The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.05.24 20:06:00 - [648] Originally by: Adaris Edited by: Adaris on 24/05/2007 18:35:07 Please REMOVE rat loot being Alloys and Compounds. It has destroyed the High-end Ore Market for 6 months. Rat loot can easily be normal modules, all that needs to be done is come up with a suitable excuse for the drones to be carrying those modules. For the love of God, please fix this. Don't let every person who want to mine high-end ore in 0.0 retreat back to empire to mine scordite because it pays better. It is not acceptable to demand of miners to become PVE'ers just so they can out loot (minerals wise) the pve'ers. Shame on you, you are destroying a profession, you have wasted the money and time of thousands of people unless you stop folling around and please make ammends... CCP I BELIEVE IN YOU! DO THE RIGHT THING! PROTECT MINERS FROM ALL 0.0 AND LOWSEC! GET RID OF THE ALLOY/COMPOUND DROPS. Much appreciated. signed. - Killing Eve bullies all over the galaxy
Merina Taom	Posted - 2007.05.27 07:27:00 - [649] So as many people have asked, will this be fixed before revelations 2 or do we have to wait??
Jaikar Isillia	Posted - 2007.05.27 08:00:00 - [650] Yeah I just keep waiting and waiting. I also agree on having the rats drop modules. The compound takes up heaps of cargo bay, no bounties, and the corp refiner has a lot of work to do heh.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.27 08:14:00 - [651] Originally by: Merina Taom So as many people have asked, will this be fixed before revelations 2 or do we have to wait?? Well the previous quot of 2 weeks should have been before Rev 2. But now i think they are just bull****ting us Make Mining Better
Jaikar Isillia	Posted - 2007.05.27 08:35:00 - [652] Originally by: ghosttr Originally by: Merina Taom So as many people have asked, will this be fixed before revelations 2 or do we have to wait?? Well the previous quot of 2 weeks should have been before Rev 2. But now i think they are just bull**ting us CCP bull** there client base??.... unheard of :P
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.27 11:30:00 - [653] Checking in again since heck hasn't froze over yet......
Merina Taom	Posted - 2007.05.27 18:00:00 - [654] Originally by: Jaikar Isillia Originally by: ghosttr Originally by: Merina Taom So as many people have asked, will this be fixed before revelations 2 or do we have to wait?? Well the previous quot of 2 weeks should have been before Rev 2. But now i think they are just bull**ting us CCP bull** there client base??.... unheard of :P Yah, havent read about this in any of the dev-blogs either...although that might be because they have mostly been about new stuff, and major revamps. But seriously CCP its time you let us know, 2 weeks have passed, we recently had a patch....clock is ticking....
Elspeth Vigneron Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.05.27 18:25:00 - [655] Originally by: Anthal There's already a fairly lengthy topic on this here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=486494&page=3 It was moved to the MISSIONS forum, of all places (wtf?). Even by killing the smaller spawns, you still don't get enough trit for it to be worthwhile. 1 Gleaming Alloy is 299 Trit on a perfect refine. A perfect refine of Veld (333 units) yields 1000 trit. Relying on rats to get the millions or billions of trit the industrials need just isn't feasible. Maybe it's that way on purpose to force trade? It seems that way to me, though I don't pretend to know what's going on in the developers' heads (though others will definately claim they do...). Phoenix Logistics Industries
Vort X EON Order Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.28 01:22:00 - [656] Originally by: CCP TomB We'll hopefully get a fix ready in ~2 weeks - i.e. if nothing unexpected shows up, like a visit from my in-laws I guess the in-laws showed up then . How much longer are they staying?
Merina Taom	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:43:00 - [657] Yah could we at least please get an update on this?
Karanth Gallente Freehold Industries	Posted - 2007.05.29 09:34:00 - [658] Edited by: Karanth on 29/05/2007 09:33:01 Why is it that I can sense, that even with exploration improvements that are supposed to be coming, that 8 certain regions will get passed by.... again. End the madness, and give these people what they need! Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.29 09:43:00 - [659] Originally by: Karanth Edited by: Karanth on 29/05/2007 09:33:01 Why is it that I can sense, that even with exploration improvements that are supposed to be coming, that 8 certain regions will get passed by.... again. End the madness, and give these people what they need! I loled But seriously wtf ccp. Make Mining Better
Intel Cylon	Posted - 2007.05.29 10:08:00 - [660] I have this feeling that the drone regions will be fixed at once when BoB arrives to the neighborhood
Jaikar Isillia	Posted - 2007.05.29 11:32:00 - [661] Originally by: Intel Cylon I have this feeling that the drone regions will be fixed at once when BoB arrives to the neighborhood I lol'd.
zacuis Darkest Knights	Posted - 2007.05.29 20:46:00 - [662] bumpage
Merina Taom	Posted - 2007.05.30 08:59:00 - [663] Edited by: Merina Taom on 30/05/2007 09:03:20 Actually just read this: Originally by: CCP TomB Rogue drones working as intended? Fixing the belts in rogue drone regions? They have been fixed and will be updated with Revelations2. This was taken from this thread
Commander BlackJack Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.05.30 09:24:00 - [664] Soo a few more months... :-/
Merina Taom	Posted - 2007.05.30 19:53:00 - [665] Yah it sucks, i mean first its "give us roughly 2 weeks, should have a fix ready by then"....3 weeks later no fix....then we get a "oh sorry, we meant 2 months"-kinda reply....
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.31 08:41:00 - [666] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 31/05/2007 08:39:50 They r f u c k i n g around with us BIG time! Shame on u CCP (huh what am i thinking - how this will help at all) POST DELETED
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.31 09:37:00 - [667] Alright, time for a bit of humour to bump the thread ... Have faith people, there will be a day when the fixes come in alongside with the invaders who you can't defend against as the absence of resources to compete with other regions has been recognised but not corrected until that very invasion day. Sorry, lack of sleep >.< Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
Karanth Gallente Freehold Industries	Posted - 2007.05.31 10:37:00 - [668] Oh, come now, it's not like people have been complaining about this for months. There is no way CCP could have known, none at all! Honestly, it's not like we want REAL drones fixed, just these NPC ones. Maybe now that that's out of the way, we can see some progress. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.31 15:42:00 - [669] The reason the Drone Regions have not yet been patched is because its taking Bob longer to get here than they initially planned. Therefore, it is our own fault because we haven't decided to surrender to Bob yet. Didn't you know that the purpose of opening up the Drone Regions was to allow us to spend our money building up infrastructure and finding the bugs so that Bob would have it all nice and ready for them?
Toxic Four Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.01 02:01:00 - [670] What a dissapointment. After Tomb's message here, and his reaching out to people our regions about the same time, to be more than an month later and not seeing a fix and not seeing mention in the dev blogs... I really don't go for that tin hat stuff but...
Sabuto Caldari Dust Echoes FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.01 17:13:00 - [671] Well the live DEV blog mentioned ROIDS LOVE for the next patch.....
Chib Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.01 19:50:00 - [672] Originally by: TomB But the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action. toxic ya nub ---------------------------------------------
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.02 04:22:00 - [673] I think this must be one of the rare occasions that crying on the forums hasn't helped :( We're not asking for much just to raise the drone regions to the level of other 0.0 regions.
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.02 04:50:00 - [674] we are still waiting on roid fixes, hidden plex fixes, and overall fixes in the area .... month 6+
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.02 06:41:00 - [675] Hey, no you don't. Back to the top with ye! We want fixes out here, not FIX, or any other BoB-related groups. Just clarifying. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.02 23:40:00 - [676] i go 18 jumps to do anything productive in this game atm, so there and back is like 2 hours wasted due to region bugs, roids exploration, rats.. good going ccp 2 weeks came and went 2 weeks ago ....
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.03 02:19:00 - [677] Originally by: Princess Jodi The reason the Drone Regions have not yet been patched is because its taking Bob longer to get here than they initially planned. Therefore, it is our own fault because we haven't decided to surrender to Bob yet. Didn't you know that the purpose of opening up the Drone Regions was to allow us to spend our money building up infrastructure and finding the bugs so that Bob would have it all nice and ready for them? Thats probably more true than most of us think. We will certainly know when they get fixed. If they get fixed before bob gets into our area, all is good. If they wait till bob (& pets) take up land in the drone regions, well we all will know what the deal is The day bob takes over eve is the day i (and probably many, many others)will close my account Make Mining Better
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.03 02:50:00 - [678] Originally by: ghosttr The day bob takes over eve is the day i (and probably many, many others)will close my account Imperialism's a ***** ain't it :D On the topic at hand I really hope we get some love in Rev2 or I am likely to cry.
Anonymous Troll	Posted - 2007.06.03 13:36:00 - [679] It is going to be funny when all the people in the drone regions start crying after next patch because real alliances come in and kick them out because they actually want to live there when the changes are made and they are worth living in.
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.03 14:32:00 - [680] Originally by: Anonymous Troll It is going to be funny when all the people in the drone regions start crying after next patch because real alliances come in and kick them out because they actually want to live there when the changes are made and they are worth living in. Yup Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
BluPh TGB Foo Corp Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.05 01:37:00 - [681] bumpydoo What can i say ... it's annoing and unfair. Those two words cover pretty much everything...
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.05 02:24:00 - [682] Edited by: Arron S on 05/06/2007 02:26:30 Originally by: Anonymous Troll It is going to be funny when all the people in the drone regions start crying after next patch because real alliances come in and kick them out because they actually want to live there when the changes are made and they are worth living in. Someone tryed that. And By real alliance you mean ones that got kicked out of their own regions??
Kodiak31415 An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.05 04:48:00 - [683] According to last live dev blog fix is in rev 2. Took long enough. _______________________________ Pleese exucse any seplling erorr's in tihs psot
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.05 06:27:00 - [684] Originally by: CCP TomB The issue is still being worked on, but it has started. We'll get it ported over once we are at satisfied with the results on our development server. We'll hopefully get a fix ready in ~2 weeks - i.e. if nothing unexpected shows up, like a visit from my in-laws Fixes? Hmm, I think we have a case of being able to fall off a building, call an ambulance, order a mattress for delivery, and have the mattress arrive before the paramedics do! Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass
Tewdric Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.05 09:18:00 - [685] Got a real quick question about exploration in the drone regions which i really can't be bothered going through 23 pages to find it as i am sure most of you can apreciate this ... 1) Will CCP be adding Radar, Magnemetric & Ladar Sites into the drone regions ? 2) And will that be comming out in Revelations 2 Thankyou, that is all..
Onnawa Minmatar Alcohol Fueled Brutality X-PACT	Posted - 2007.06.05 10:36:00 - [686] I've lived in the drone regions for months now, and it's the poorest months of my life. I made more ISK blasting haulers and carebears in low-sec. Nothing better than most of a night's ratting going sour because the drones run off at warp 10 to the sun (while still shooting you from 630,000,000 km away) and the spawns resetting every 5 minutes just as you get your tub pushed into gun range. However, my sadness would most definately be assuaged with a little more love, namely exploration fixes, complexes (static and mobile) not only from the drones, but from other factions as well, and some hauler spawns. Before you start, why not other factions in the drone regions? Because CONCORD sealed the regions off and ordered a quarantine? Since when have Sansha's Nation and the Guristas started caring about CONCORD orders? We're here aren't we? Isn't that a violation of CONCORD mandate? Who's to say they aren't in the drone regions for the same reasons we are...exploration, archeology, and mineral assets. I'm not saying put them all over the place, but put them there. When you think, it makes sense. Haulers....don't drone's still mine and harvest? Drones definately don't breed...that means they need resources to manufacture more rogue drones. I mean, i haven't noticed any of my Ogres wandering off to join the Great Revolt.... Lastly, the 'roids. For God's sake, either fill em or shrink em! There's nothing more annoying than getting a maelstrom hung up on a moon that has less tritanium in it than the ammo in your guns. _____________________________________ I'm not a Pirate. I just have anger management issues.......and kleptomania.
Sabian Treehugger	Posted - 2007.06.05 18:55:00 - [687] BOB members have been spotted in the new regions which means a fix is on the way Now for the trolls talking about real alliances taking over that is bs if you are not a real alliance capable of holding your space you get kicked out and there are multiple examples for that. What we lack is income that lets us eficiently defend our space , especcialy now when due to the war in the north people are trying to take over the new regions. Wierd how when people complain about their country they are not told to go to America but are proposed solutions and that just for their vote but here if you are a paying customer trying to enjoy a game that's supposed to be ballanced you are told to become scum and abandon your mates so you can move to another region . Now BOB is close in venal and I think this might be in the next patch notes : -CONCORD decides to put bounties on rouge drones due to their increasing threat -Rouge drones no longer drop alloys and they now drop T2 mods -You can now find all the exploration sites of all factions in the new drone regions -When salvaged rouge drones will now drop all kinds of salvage in larger quantities and faction drones will drop T2 rigs
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.06 00:56:00 - [688] Originally by: Sabian Treehugger BOB members have been spotted in the new regions which means a fix is on the way Quote: damn you beat me to the punchline, seriously we all knew this was coming with the reports of the drone regions intended of being the richest in the game. /tinfoilhat on the regions will prolly get fixed but will be incidental to bob and mc taking an outpost or 3 which will happen along the same timeline. All of us out here knew it was going to happen this way, and the regions being buggered for 7 months+ has hamstrung those of us that took ccp on faith and took the chances to move out here. People in the drone regions have moved to low sec ganks and empire missions to make isk or moved to old school rats for bounties. You can tell this by the upwards trend in the zyd prices. You were told of a issue months ago asked for a fix months ago, finally told us you indeed found a issue and had a fix in the works a month+ ago. You set these wheels in motion CCP not us. PS my stuff is already alloted so do not ask
Vactet Immortalis Silens Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.06.06 01:30:00 - [689] So...they still have not fixed the regions? Why..doesnt this surprise me.. Oh right! No fix was needed,...it was a feature. A feature that needed a key to unlock? Like any alliance with a dev? (And bob isnt the only one folks). Screw Rev2, deploy the fix NOW. You procrastinate worse then a rock. Stop being lazy CCP, it doesnt suit you. 500M ISK to the Dev (Bribery is the only way it seems) that has the ***** to explain why its taken so long without any cow pie's coming from their mouth. Delivering the kick to the jaw of society to stop it from drooling on itself like the ignorant slop it is since 1984. Originally by:** CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.06 02:04:00 - [690] once again this is about roids having 2 cycles of a strip miner despite teh size of a small moon. no low ends avail via mining or ratting for anything more than a cruiser. no exploration sites avail or if they are you get 4 or 5 bs worth of alloys or 15 broken roids. no radar or ladar or megnometric sites avail no loot from rats other than alloys .. fine but with no other source of income avail it has led to the great zyd dipression of 2007 so much that non drome regions are feeling the pain, making scord the best isk per min roid to mine. we were prommised sunshine at the end of this long tunnel weeks ago.
Tafkatf	Posted - 2007.06.06 02:20:00 - [691] im sorry m8, dunno if yer still monitoring this but your forgeting one thing all of 0.0 is suppose to be hard to live in, and granted some things in the drone region may be broken if your not rolling in isk then your not doing something right. Everyone, and I mean everyone up until this point has gotten uberly rich off the drone regions. Plus final though stop *****ing if yo dont like it there dont live there. New players are not suppose to be in 0.0
Devious Syn	Posted - 2007.06.06 02:55:00 - [692] Originally by: Tafkatf im sorry m8, dunno if yer still monitoring this but your forgeting one thing all of 0.0 is suppose to be hard to live in, and granted some things in the drone region may be broken if your not rolling in isk then your not doing something right. Everyone, and I mean everyone up until this point has gotten uberly rich off the drone regions. Plus final though stop *****ing if yo dont like it there dont live there. New players are not suppose to be in 0.0 This made me lol.... noOb
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.06 03:05:00 - [693] Originally by: Tafkatf im sorry m8, dunno if yer still monitoring this but your forgeting one thing all of 0.0 is suppose to be hard to live in, and granted some things in the drone region may be broken it is broken to the point is it is option a) ratting drone alloys and salvage is the only option. CCP has said this is a unintended game feature and will be fixed .. several weeks back ... this lack of attention to the problem is not corrected by people saying "suck it up wuss everyone else is rolling in isk so should you." I am doing good but I am doing it by the only option avail. No other area is restricted to one thing. There is no magic troll forcing you to click on this thread, if you do not want to read about us complaining about a brokenregion then do not open ... kkthnx
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.06 13:58:00 - [694] TomB got under siege from inlaws it seems. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.07 10:26:00 - [695] Siege or not, if he has time for a LIVE Blog, he has time to fix our homes. Oh, and btw, no more sneaking off to page three! Back to the top, and make it snappy! Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.06.07 10:48:00 - [696] Edited by: Rikeka on 07/06/2007 10:48:13 Seriously, some alliances have been living in the Drone Regions for like half an year... CCP, WTF?!? When will this be fixed? "I am matter... I am anti-matter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you!" -Culex (SMRPG)
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.07 11:04:00 - [697] If Rev2 doesn't truly fix the problems or only 1/2 asses it there will be a riot in these forums. As far as I can see we have all been civilized posting in the one thread giving constructive criticism and have only received empty promises and vague time frames. The reason I'm complaining is that I know CCP can do a lot better and it disappoints me to see that no tangible effort has been made for loyal customers.
Sha Dar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.07 11:10:00 - [698] Edited by: Sha Dar on 07/06/2007 11:09:29 Part of that is probably the extensive effort involved to change the mindset of "Don't like it, tough, there's 5000 other systems to move to" to one of grudging acquiescence followed by a little sulk then a "fine, but i'm not rushing" response :) Edit - punctuation and spelling -
Tewdric Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.07 12:22:00 - [699] Originally by: Tewdric Got a real quick question about exploration in the drone regions which i really can't be bothered going through 23 pages to find it as i am sure most of you can apreciate this ... 1) Will CCP be adding Radar, Magnemetric & Ladar Sites into the drone regions ? 2) And will that be comming out in Revelations 2 Thankyou, that is all.. No one has answered this for me yet...
Annatar The Galactic Empire Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.07 12:35:00 - [700] Well you move in a region that is intended to be toughter, you knowed it and moved there. And now come here and whine the to the Hell and back? That it should have additional to the benefit of the supply of enought zydrine that the whoule universe let drop the price, be stuffed with the benefits like any other space? com on, realise it you can't be serius. -------------------------------------------- Never argue with an Idoit, they will drag you down to their Level and beat you with experience.
Sha Dar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.07 12:41:00 - [701] There is a difference between tougher, and broken, and even ccp have admitted that things were/are broken in the region. As for the great zydrine depression, I think that has been a mistake as well, and the alloy/drop compositions should have been tweaked once it became apparent things were amiss. i'd lay odds if we had a "broken" something or other here that spawned 1 bil an hour or dropped infinite rare items etc... as has happened in other regions, it would have been done a lot faster. 6 months plus is silly tbh. -
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.06.07 17:36:00 - [702] Edited by: Rikeka on 07/06/2007 17:35:19 Originally by: Annatar Well you move in a region that is intended to be toughter, you knowed it and moved there. And now come here and whine the to the Hell and back? That it should have additional to the benefit of the supply of enought zydrine that the whoule universe let drop the price, be stuffed with the benefits like any other space? com on, realise it you can't be serius. I want to see you mining in the Drone Regions and then you can talk. Mind you, bring you own shuttle, because there is not enough Vendpar in the entire Drone Region to make more than one per day... "I am matter... I am anti-matter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you!" -Culex (SMRPG)
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.07 18:02:00 - [703] Originally by: Annatar Well you move in a region that is intended to be toughter, you knowed it and moved there. And now come here and whine the to the Hell and back? That it should have additional to the benefit of the supply of enought zydrine that the whoule universe let drop the price, be stuffed with the benefits like any other space? com on, realise it you can't be serius. You people who don't live there really should stop posting in this thread. While our complaints may occasionally sound like a Whine, it is not. The mechanics of several normal functions are seriously broken. They have been acknowledged as broken. They just haven't been fixed. Its really as simple as that. I do have a theory on WHY they haven't been fixed... "God created the Drone Regions to train the Faithful" See, you can't make a living as an Industrialist, Miner, Trader or Explorer here. The only option is to be somehow combat oriented. So all our Alliances are filling up with PVP'rs. We're also very Anti-Bob. As the other Alliances fall, the leaches leave for empire, while those willing to fight on join up with a Drone Region alliance. In time, we will be all hardened PVP'rs, united by a hatred of Bob. Now if they'd just fix Exploration I can go find that Spice-Cloud thingy...
Sabian Treehugger	Posted - 2007.06.07 18:29:00 - [704] We have allredy fought off a few intrusions from people who lost their space due to the war. So can we get a fix before BOB and pets try to get in ? Oh wait I forgot ..........
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.07 20:05:00 - [705] To those saying nothing is wrong let me explain. We knew the drone regions were going to be tough, tougher than the other 0.0 without complexes or stations etc. but we were promised that if you took the effort then this would be one of the richest regions in Eve. With the drones dropping compounds that refine into highend mins it was actually true for a short time (even with the broken roids and such) But then all the highend prices took a dive and we are left with the situation of having the hardest region with the least payoff. It would be similar to if over a span of a few months all bounties were cut in half or more. We don't want it easy we moved here for a challenge but we would like rewards equal to our efforts like an reasonable person would. Most every alliance has invested in putting up logistics including a few stations so moving isn't really an option. Why are you still reading? Its over. Continue to the next post.
Minia Cor	Posted - 2007.06.08 16:21:00 - [706] Originally by: CCP TomB The issue is still being worked on, but it has started. We'll get it ported over once we are at satisfied with the results on our development server. We'll hopefully get a fix ready in ~2 weeks - i.e. if nothing unexpected shows up, like a visit from my in-laws You stated on 5/11/07 two weeks if nothing unexpected happened. Ok 6/8/07. What happened? do you have any updates?
Ondora Caldari SKORPION CORP Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.08 17:23:00 - [707] Seriously, the Drone Regions have been broken for half an year... CCP, WTF?!? When will this be fixed?
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.08 17:29:00 - [708] Arg! Make undocking in the morning worth it! Every time a Rogue Drone BS runs at 12km/sec whenever someone tries to kill it, God feeds a kitten antifreeze. The body count is rising. FIX IT ALREADY! Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.10 09:04:00 - [709] Is it worth bumping anymore?
zoltar	Posted - 2007.06.10 09:26:00 - [710] Originally by: Jaikar Isillia Is it worth bumping anymore? YES! i havent posted in this thread yet, PLEASE FIX THE NEW REGOIONS!!!ONEELEVEN /me signed
Neko Sornan eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.11 13:44:00 - [711] Edited by: Neko Sornan on 11/06/2007 13:44:33 From the Live Dev Blog Transcript No. 3, May 31st, 2007: Quote: Will the drone regions be given any boost? Like booster comps or something? For now we have been working a lot on fixing the drone regions, by that I am talking about the Asteroid belts and also fixing the exploration sites which have been broken or not there, well they have been there but not been scannable which is a really not funny mistake on our behalf and all these changes will be coming in Revelations 2. Maybe the most noticeable thing to talk about is the higher end ore will be a little bit bigger, or at least, quite bigger. For example if you find an Arkonor stone, (it will be less common, not every single asteroid belt will have one) but it will be quite bigger. There we have it. For future reference, we will be doing more things for the drone regions, currently you only have above anything else is the alloys which are refinable for a lot of minerals and also the salvage materials but we are also going to be adding more in, for example, something similar to hacking/archaeology sites which are found in other regions, which give the player other resources entirely that are not used for normal manufacturing. So obviously no fix now (as TomB told us earlier) but rather with Rev2? It's getting later and later ...
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:04:00 - [712] so no fix for 3 to 4 months? WTF CCP????
Tipz NexAstrum Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:56:00 - [713] Ah, so they're gonna reduce the total number of high end rocks and leave the respawn/grow rate the same... How is that a solution? -------------------------------------------
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:05:00 - [714] In the Ten Ton Hammer article, it stated that Revalations 2 will be the end of June. Is that correct, or will it be September like others have hinted? P.S. In light of the news that 'Exploration sites could not be found', can I have a few hundred mill in Probes back?
BluPh TGB Foo Corp Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.15 07:45:00 - [715] A quick glimpse to the rev2 patch notes reveal some special patches for the drone regions, but: Plush compound now yields significant amount of tritanium and a decent amount of pyrite. The amount of zydrine has been reduced. and Opulent Compound has had its drop chance reduced on Rogue Drones battleships. Even more cutting our way (even if it's poor) of income... hope the patched things will work as intended or we're doomed
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.15 07:50:00 - [716] Originally by: BluPh A quick glimpse to the rev2 patch notes reveal some special patches for the drone regions, but: Plush compound now yields significant amount of tritanium and a decent amount of pyrite. The amount of zydrine has been reduced. and Opulent Compound has had its drop chance reduced on Rogue Drones battleships. Even more cutting our way (even if it's poor) of income... hope the patched things will work as intended or we're doomed Oh great with a buff comes a nerf. Thanks CCP.
Erotic Irony RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:16:00 - [717] Originally by: Patch notes Asteroid distribution in the eight new regions also known as the rogue drone regions has been redone, rare end asteroid types such as arkonor should be much larger than before. ___ Junkie Beverage: i use your tears to cyno in my laughter
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:34:00 - [718] Well, lets hope they fix it the right way I need my hacking and archaelogy plexes im tired of trying to compete with the macro plex farmers in the empire ones Make Mining Better
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:53:00 - [719] Originally by: Jaikar Isillia Originally by: BluPh A quick glimpse to the rev2 patch notes reveal some special patches for the drone regions, but: Plush compound now yields significant amount of tritanium and a decent amount of pyrite. The amount of zydrine has been reduced. and Opulent Compound has had its drop chance reduced on Rogue Drones battleships. Even more cutting our way (even if it's poor) of income... hope the patched things will work as intended or we're doomed Oh great with a buff comes a nerf. Thanks CCP. Actually, you don't know that for sure. If the amount of Zydrine falls, the price of it will go up. Depending on how much zydrine is lost vs how much low ends are gained and how much the price of zydrine increases, it could be neutral or even beneficial. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
bobtheminer	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:25:00 - [720] well with the meer news of it has forced zyd prices into the 2700 region and above in jita, so i dont think its gonna be totaly disastruous
Ararius e X i l e FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:25:00 - [721] It would also be logical to reduce alloy size by 1/2 But im sure we all know CCP isnt known for always doing 'logical' things <3 Eve and CCP -Ararius Originally by: Alski It depends how much CCP learn from past user interface mistakes, i'm sure they'll do very well, but if not i'll be right clicking on random people and selecting "Orbit at 0.5m"
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:46:00 - [722] Originally by: Ararius It would also be logical to reduce alloy size by 1/2 But im sure we all know CCP isnt known for always doing 'logical' things <3 Eve and CCP -Ararius Well as long as i dont have to go to empire for better exploration sites. The major thinks that we will need is hacking/archaelogy content & gas clouds. And that the sites are enough in number, will escalate a deacent amount of the time, are findable, and will drop something other than alloys. Make Mining Better
Sabian Treehugger	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:54:00 - [723] Hmm,Rogue drone commanders in explorations sites ,Nice. But if I only find alloys I am so going to petition it everytime i loot one Oh and : -Plush compound now yields significant amount of tritanium and a decent amount of pyrite. The amount of zydrine has been reduced. -Lustering Alloy has had its zydrine amount lowered. -Opulent Compound has had its drop chance reduced on Rogue Drones battleships. I hope plush is the the new s**t
vinnymcg Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.16 11:39:00 - [724] /signed on everything, the new region is a bit of a joke, the crystals need to refine to trit and pyr as well as everything else Remotely Delete Jump clones tread COMPSOC
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.06.16 11:54:00 - [725] read the patch notes its been boosted. Recruiting Terrorists
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.06.17 01:02:00 - [726] I would like to see confirmation of roids being boosted too... +-+-+-+-+ "I am matter... I am anti-matter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you!" -Culex (SMRPG)
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.06.19 20:06:00 - [727] BUMP ¦cause I¦m curious... +-+-+-+-+ "I am matter... I am anti-matter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you!" -Culex (SMRPG)
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.20 10:08:00 - [728] Edited by: ghosttr on 20/06/2007 10:07:38 It seems that they are as borked as ever, i dont see any new exploration stuff (ladar/radar/mag sites), and the ones that i do find (with multispec probes) are unfindable and hard to come by. And the roid fix replace our ice belts with more roids Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.20 11:06:00 - [729] Originally by: ghosttr Edited by: ghosttr on 20/06/2007 10:07:38 It seems that they are as borked as ever, i dont see any new exploration stuff (ladar/radar/mag sites), and the ones that i do find (with multispec probes) are unfindable and hard to come by. What do you expect? You have to determine what kind of exploration sites are present with multispectrals anyway, and they certainly don't appear in every single system you visit. Sounds like any region tbh. -- .sig apathy ftw
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.20 11:12:00 - [730] Originally by: prsr Originally by: ghosttr Edited by: ghosttr on 20/06/2007 10:07:38 It seems that they are as borked as ever, i dont see any new exploration stuff (ladar/radar/mag sites), and the ones that i do find (with multispec probes) are unfindable and hard to come by. What do you expect? You have to determine what kind of exploration sites are present with multispectrals anyway, and they certainly don't appear in every single system you visit. Sounds like any region tbh. Out of 12 systems scanned only 1 had any exploration content. And it was findable with the on-board scanner (I found this out after wasting about 5 minutes on trying to probe it out) Im saying the sites that require probes are still borked, they Added these easy sites as new candy for us, but they didnt do much to fix/improve the old borked ones. Also the amount of smaller sites was very limited. 1 in 12 systems is not very good. I expected it to be somewhat like was on the test server, with an average of 1-2 per system. Also wtf is up the the ice belts! My pos needs fuel and you turned my icicles into veld roids! Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.20 11:15:00 - [731] Roids r finally ok - hope they will respan like this after we mind them out. Exploration - i have seen there is a lot of them available to find with build in scaner - didnt had time to test out the one u find with probes. CCP said we wont get any others then unknown and radar in Drone space. Apart of that Ice belts r broken and now ofcourse ratz r broken - there is nearlly 0 ratz around. GJ CC f u c k i n g P. Took u half a year to fix the roids i hope it will take at least 1 day less to fix ratz.
Hammer Judge	Posted - 2007.06.20 11:29:00 - [732] Yes, there are no rats in our asteroid belts either. - Visit my newbie guide for experienced MMO gamers.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.20 11:53:00 - [733] I guess we can now expect half a year of ppl posting here what we have to whine about; and knowing CCP they will say it is intend to be like it, and after a long time realize AGAIN the scruwe it up AGAIN! Welcome to Drone Space AGAIN!
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.20 12:47:00 - [734] All I know is, ice belts had Veldspar in them after patch deployment, belts were 100km or so off warp-in points, and many roids were simply gone. Oveur said here that it will be fixed during today's DT. As of just after DT, the ice is back, but I haven't seen belts so sparse since that time I mined in Cistuvaert. The fact that what few roids there are are spread out over a few hundred kilometers isn't exactly stellar either. Using a survey scanner, and roaming about to hit more than three asteroids at a time, I find some interesting things: Crokite 4,367 Veldspar 87,022 Concentrated Veldspar 95,901 Hedbergite 7,886 Veldspar 82,049 Onyx Ochre 7,456 Scordite 45,046 Dense Veldspar 79,105 I had to travel 25km to get all of these results; this wasn't a "sit and scan" test. I checked B-7LYC VIII Belt 1. The Crokite is a nice number, but the rest? They are lower than before the patch, they are about 20 times more diffuse, and with half the roid count, at best. Belt II-1, is even worse off right now. After choosing a random asteroid, bookmarking it (since even the Veldspar is too small to see at 140km away) and warping back, my overview shows that the closest asteroid is the Dense Veldspar, at 2,439m away, and after that, Scordite at 29km. Survey scanner? This Veldspar asteroid contains 28,908 units. From where I was, I chose a Scordite roid, warped to it, then an Omber roid. My findings? NOT ONE ASTEROID IS WITHIN 20km OF ANOTHER. It's like a giant scattered his marbles all over the grid. The only good thing I found: The ice belt. It now has ice, with the right amounts in it, and the warp-in is within 10km of about 8 chunks. Rats will spawn far off the warp-in points at every belt I checked. 50km? Check. 100km? Sure. 200km? Why not? My post is somewhat rambling, with little direction or coherency, and I apologize. But, in the end, it's like the belts it describes: all over the place, with little in the way of good things for locals. Saying that seeding has been fixed, or that ore amounts have been boosted, is nice. Taking a ship (I know that Jove ships can fit survey scanners too!) and LOOKING will show why this is broken. So, I challenge anyone, Dev or whomever: Come out here, IN PERSON. Look at these belts, with scanners, and the tools players use. Then, after spending 15 or 20 minutes looking, and making notes, come back here, and tell us this isn't broken. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.06.20 13:36:00 - [735] I should perhaps explain, as vaguely as possible as information is power, what happened to the new regions. The problem as we saw it was that there were too many asteroids and too low total ore count. Resulting in a plethora of tiny roids which would pop on the first cycle of any decent miner. To offset that we've reduced the roid-count and increased ore-count per asteroid, aswell as tweaking the asteroid type spread a little bit. I can give you my word that the amounts were increased significantly, aswell as the average/minimum ore count per asteroid. As a side effect of this drop in asteroid count / increase in ore per asteroid count you can now find belts which have rather ludicrous (I just like that word) amounts of high-end ore in fewer asteroids, but as the asteroid count has been reduced a tad you'll have to search a bit more. The problem with trying to compare new belt A to old belt A is that the nature of any seeder is to make things random. I can swear an oath on everything I hold dear as to an overall increase in ore count in these regions but I can't say anything about all belts being better. If one belt is below average, that means another is above average. This is the way we want it because having all solar systems uniform would greatly reduce the incentive to conquer more profitable space. I will grant you that this exact belt didn't come out a winner here, but the entire system it resides in did on the whole get some luvin'. However, I'll grant you that they are very sparse.. everywhere. I can see how that's horrendously counter-productive and I intend to fix it. Dont really like this half-circle shape anyways.

Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.20 13:43:00 - [736] I just appreciate someone coming to look. It means a great deal to have someone paying attention, and, even when things are broken, that someone is still able to look at it, and help fix it. My post was in a somewhat more aggressive tone than I prefer, and for that, I'm sorry. As it is, it's still nice to see a Dev in local, and seeing what it looks like at our end. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.20 14:33:00 - [737] I just realize; high end ore is indeed improved - but congratz on doing nothing to veldspar/scordite - they still pop in 1 cycle as b4 patch; 90-K veldspar - common.
Christari Zuborov	Posted - 2007.06.20 14:51:00 - [738] What exactly is the problem with the asteroids being spread out the way you're describing? To me this sounds perfect, it gives you a lot of time to warp away from rats, it nullifies pretty much a solo pirate, and it gives you a couple of roids that you can really sink your teeth into. So, is this really a problem? Can't we have gangs and warp to others when they've found a great spot? As it is with the set up YOU found, wouldn't that take care of a lot of Macro Miners? Maybe I look for the good in stuff, but did we just stumble upon what we bring mineral prices back and help out the serious miners?
w0rmy M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.20 14:54:00 - [739] Originally by: CCP Prism X This is the way we want it because having all solar systems uniform would greatly reduce the incentive to conquer more profitable space. I will grant you that this exact belt didn't come out a winner here, but the entire system it resides in did on the whole get some luvin'. No one conquers regions for veldspar. Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness. Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.20 15:05:00 - [740] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: CCP Prism X This is the way we want it because having all solar systems uniform would greatly reduce the incentive to conquer more profitable space. I will grant you that this exact belt didn't come out a winner here, but the entire system it resides in did on the whole get some luvin'. No one conquers regions for veldspar. Chribba does :-) Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
w0rmy M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.20 15:06:00 - [741] Originally by: Virtuozzo Originally by: w0rmy No one conquers regions for veldspar. Chribba does :-) Hes the exception to most rules Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness. Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
Miss Praise	Posted - 2007.06.20 15:13:00 - [742] So just to recap: You increase the roid quality, but reduce the roid quantity and by increasing the roid quality significantly you have overall increased the quantity of high end ore mineable in the drone regions. But why did u severely cut the number of drone (rat) spawns so that there are hardly any anywhere in any solarsystem. Is this a give in one hand and take from another? If the latter above isn't a bug then I think it's time CCP removed the drones and made it like a normal system with bountied rats and proper belts.
Mack Deluxe PsyCorp INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.20 15:40:00 - [743] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: Virtuozzo Originally by: w0rmy No one conquers regions for veldspar. Chribba does :-) Hes the exception to most rules Xirt too... I've done... Questionable things.

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.06.20 15:55:00 - [744] About the rats in these regions: I didn't touch them.

Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.20 16:02:00 - [745] Then you need to check them because they are definitely not spawning anywhere near what they were pre-patch. Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
Scorched Evil The Silent Rage R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.20 16:14:00 - [746] Originally by: Farham Then you need to check them because they are definitely not spawning anywhere near what they were pre-patch. If by "anywhere near what they were pre-patch" you mean "at all" then yes, I agree. CYVOK > All you station jockies better get out their and start killing these idiots
Halada Caldari Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.20 16:16:00 - [747] Originally by: CCP Prism X About the rats in these regions: I didn't touch them. Well, someone touched them ... they hardly respawn ... flying through 25 belts in a system without seeing a single rat worries me ... its a dream for miners, but some people favor pew pew Click on my sig to read it !
Thrawntl Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.20 16:18:00 - [748] Also please check the Drone Region Exploration spawn rate as well. The on board scanner sites dont respawn at all.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.20 16:32:00 - [749] The number of rats & complexes that spawn is pitiful at best. Belts spawns have been nerfed. The encounter (on-board scanner) sites spawn in really low numbers, an the explorations sites (use probes to find) I found 1 in 12 systems, and it was a grav (hidden belt) Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Bubble Jet	Posted - 2007.06.20 16:38:00 - [750] I've had a number of corpmates find encounters with the ship board scanner. They warp there, engage one BS, then 10 more spawn and a mess of scramble drones. Scrambled, can't warp out, no one can take that DPS, and they die. And ice still isn't back.
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.20 16:41:00 - [751] Originally by: Bubble Jet I've had a number of corpmates find encounters with the ship board scanner. They warp there, engage one BS, then 10 more spawn and a mess of scramble drones. Scrambled, can't warp out, no one can take that DPS, and they die. And ice still isn't back. Scanning by a corp mate showed normal 0.0 roids (as in: excellent!)...but I drove around some home systems, and not a drone to be found. (ice is supposed to be respawning today/tomorrow d/t iirc). The drone issue...or lack of....seen this stuff before...it was called "CASTOR", and the npc changes were an absolute nightmare for a bit after the 'big patch'. This too, me thinks, will get addressed. Ubuntu 3d Beryl-Linux Desktop+EVE
Wilguma	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:12:00 - [752] Originally by: CCP Prism X About the rats in these regions: I didn't touch them. Some one did. It appears they no longer spawn within the belts. They do spawn at gates though it seems. If a spawn warps off at all they disappear also. When 80% of the new regions rely on compounds for income and minerals, it sort of puts the whole area on standby until the someone who broke it fixes it.
Zephyrys Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:34:00 - [753] A DEV response??? In a timely manner??? head explodes in shock -------------- Active Miner improvement Threads = 5 Active Miner improvement Threads with Dev Response = 0
Bonny Lou	Posted - 2007.06.20 19:58:00 - [754] Mhh the new Encounters are more dangerous but less profitable then belt ratting. At least every thrid CCP employee should live in the drone regions for the next 3 months...
Nelius Gallente Tenacious Danes Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:12:00 - [755] Soo, to sum it up, you reduced the zyd from our compounds, and added trit/pye instead, to finaly give us some low end minerals out here, but then you remove the drones?? Ehm... Surely this must be a bug, and as the drone regions primary income, comes from the drones, until you fix it, we got NO income, what so ever... Asteroids reseed, waay better then before. However, you said the roids would be bigger, but fewer, compared to a normalt region, as it is now, they're fewer (as in 1-3 mixed crock, bist, ark, pr. belt.) BUT certainly NOT LARGER then any other region, they're the same. Exploration, as allready been said, now we can find some atleast, however, not near anything i expectet, i mean, come on scanning 10 systems to get 2 sigs, that i can then find with the onboard scanner?? To sum it up: Primary income, gone, no ratting. Secondary income, mining, possible atleast, however, not the way you said it would be... Fun stuff, exploration still dont work. And this means... Yay, we cant make any money until you fix it (again), just hope it does'nt take you 6 months this time...!

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:28:00 - [756] If you know of an icebelt that is not filled with ice roids, please tell me the name of that belt. They should all be there according to the TQ data.

Commander BlackJack Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:33:00 - [757] Rouge Drone Commanders currently dropping EMPTY wrecks in the drone region encounters. Please CCP check them.
Lyn Bunnions	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:55:00 - [758] Why do people live in that hellhole if it's so bad? This whole thread is so sad and funny
Commander BlackJack Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:04:00 - [759] Originally by: Lyn Bunnions Why do people live in that hellhole if it's so bad? This whole thread is so sad and funny It's really simple. Because it's our home.
SkyLander Minmatar Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:15:00 - [760] I spent a few hours last night bouncing from belt to belt and.....yeah....I found a cruiser spawn. That was it, the entire time. So I'm assuming that the rats are broken. Why are these regions so plagued with issues? Getting kind of ridiculous here. __________________________________________________
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:22:00 - [761] Originally by: Lyn Bunnions Why do people live in that hellhole if it's so bad? This whole thread is so sad and funny What Blackjack said- but you are right. Getting the short end of the stick again and again and again is getting really frustrating. Seriously ccp, is this on purpose? Just give us a straight answer so we can stop wasting our time with this region. Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon GhostYou do, but this is compensated for by lag
Bosjathfort Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:25:00 - [762] No rats... no exlporations... :S.. how can a ratter survive in drone region ?? \\(^O^ )// o/ \o !!null
Karai Kamasu The Collective of Ascended Beings Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:44:00 - [763] So after three hours, seven systems, a buttload of empty belts, I found a rogue drone spawn on a gate. 1 battleship and 4 battlecruiser sized. They despawned as I started to lock them. Nicely done, breaking even worse something that was already broken. Sometimes I wonder how drunk are your devs when they actually do some work. hi-sec, lo-sec, these matters are of no importance to me, I travel via subspace, keke
Antari Shiy	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:06:00 - [764] Edited by: Antari Shiy on 20/06/2007 23:05:21 My guess somewhere in the dev notes someone wrote "Need to increase spawn rates excrementaly" instead of exponentialy ------------------------ Blink and your dead
Corwain Gallente Zero Team	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:12:00 - [765] Originally by: Karai Kamasu Sometimes I wonder how drunk are your devs when they actually do some work. Stop buying em a month's supply of beer after they actually fix things. ;-)
Karai Kamasu The Collective of Ascended Beings Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:21:00 - [766] Why do you people even bother maintaining test servers if you don't fully test your patches before implementing them on the live server? I guess it's more fun to have people 'whine' about your blunders and make witty and condescending remarks on forums while issuing hotfixes. It makes you look so mature and really shows your ten years of experience with this game. hi-sec, lo-sec, these matters are of no importance to me, I travel via subspace, keke
Zerron Kovar Gallente Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:42:00 - [767] Let's be frank here. The drone regions are bugged. Have always been bugged, and still are. They're just not getting all that much attention, so this is a big 'WE DON'T CARE' from ccp. They just aren't spending the time/resources to fix them, and it's no longer worth screaming about them. This has been going on for months, and the lack of decent response/actual fixes has become beyond stupid. I for one refuse to go live in there again. I find the drone regions boring, tedious, and a waste of my game play time. Enough said.
Dark Sin	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:49:00 - [768] Originally by: Zerron Kovar Let's be frank here. The drone regions are bugged. Have always been bugged, and still are. They're just not getting all that much attention, so this is a big 'WE DON'T CARE' from ccp. They just aren't spending the time/resources to fix them, and it's no longer worth screaming about them. This has been going on for months, and the lack of decent response/actual fixes has become beyond stupid. I for one refuse to go live in there again. I find the drone regions boring, tedious, and a waste of my game play time. Enough said. can i have your stuff?
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:56:00 - [769] I don't know, post something than "OMGWTF BROKED REGIONS!! FIX DEVS!!1ONE!" and someone might actually listen. Be specific. WHAT is wrong? Not just "Rats spawn funny, and my buddy can't find none." Name systems. Even a Dev can't be in every system of 8 regions at once. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:58:00 - [770] I have been on 3 Exploration Complexes since the patch. 2 were 'Drone Patrol' and one was 'Drone Squad'. These types previously were broken, I believe. They now run properly. Drone Patrol had an Elite Drone that dropped one Eliete Droin AI. No excallations were triggered. The amount of Compounds dropped was still low, perhaps half what Belt rats used to drop. To my knowledge, no Hacking or Archeology sites have been found by our other explorers yet. All normal 'Unknowns' - no other types. Thanks CCP for the effort, and we'll continue to report on the game balance.
Challis Caldari Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.06.21 02:03:00 - [771] I also had the problem in the drone regions where i could only find rats at the gates after roaming for hours in my phoon. Eventually i gave up and went mining. And to my surprise, everytime i went to a belt with my mining barge a bs spawn spawned on top of me. It appears that barges do trigger the spawning of bs spawns, even a lot of triple bs spawns.
Karai Kamasu The Collective of Ascended Beings Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.21 02:13:00 - [772] Ah right, how foolish of me to atempt to rat in a myrmidon, I should have thought about ratting in a hulk from the get-go. My apologies, I shall begin training for a mining barge on my combat character right away. hi-sec, lo-sec, these matters are of no importance to me, I travel via subspace, keke
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.21 02:21:00 - [773] Heres a lit of problems caused by rev2. Decreased belt spawns The amount of spawns in asteroid belts has been nerfed. Where before we had rats in all but 1 or 2 belts in the system, now we have no rats in all but 1 or 2 belts in the system. Exploration Sites These were pretty much removed completely, before we had a decent number of sites, but they were broken and we couldnt find them. You supposedly fixed them but instead of having about 3 plexes per 4 systems we have about 1 plex per constellation. And we have yet to see ladar/radar/mag sites for hacking, archeology, gas clouds. Also, the new encounter sites show up on multispectral, so its much harder to find a exploration sites in lieu of an encounter. Encounter sites I was very disappointed with these as well, on test server we had about 1-2 sites per system, but when the patch we released on tq, we had about 1 per constellation. These sites also interfere with regular exploration sites because they show up on the probe scans. Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.21 02:21:00 - [774] Edited by: ghosttr on 21/06/2007 02:28:00 Heres a lit of problems caused by rev2. Decreased belt spawns The amount of spawns in asteroid belts has been nerfed. Where before we had rats in all but 1 or 2 belts in the system, now we have no rats in all but 1 or 2 belts in the system. Exploration Sites These were pretty much removed completely, before we had a decent number of sites, but they were broken and we couldnt find them. You supposedly fixed them but instead of having about 3 plexes per 4 systems we have about 1 plex per constellation. And we have yet to see ladar/radar/mag sites for hacking, archeology, gas clouds. Also, the new encounter sites show up on multispectral, so its much harder to find a exploration sites in lieu of an encounter. Encounter sites I was very disappointed with these as well, on test server we had about 1-2 sites per system, but when the patch we released on tq, we had about 1 per constellation. These sites also interfere with regular exploration sites because they show up on the probe scans. Also the new complexes have messed up timers, I got one with over 50bs in it, and after i killed them all i warped to pos in the same system switched ships, and by the time i get back (less than 5 minutes later) the plex had despawned lossing me a potential 100mil in loot. Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
BluPh TGB Foo Corp Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.21 06:39:00 - [775] About the plexes ... are you sure there are none in your systems? I've scanned some systems ad there are is at least 1-2 in the systems i scanned (about 3). Be sure not to just scan from one point, move around, the scanner's range is just 5au, so be sure to scan from a fair amount of belts/planets, whatever. About the belt drones. It's true, they are not in the belts. They show only when a miner starts to mine, but when killed they take a lot of time to show up again even with a miner in the belt. But we found drone at the gates ... and (brace yourself) ... we had some reports of drones at planets, which can't be right, or am i wrong. CCP, please take an hour of your time, and check these facts in person, not only the tq logs or whatever, because there is defenitely something wrong. Thank you.
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.21 07:23:00 - [776] I have had no issue with finding rats, mining or not. Scanning for stuff with the onboard scanner is iffy, but found a few nice things. No escalation, or anything like that, but was different, and I like variety. With alloys changed, lowends seem to be balanced now, with slightly more zyd than other areas. (About 700k trit and 3k zyd on one reprocessing). Mining belts is not so nice, but ice is fine now. All in all, happier now than before patch. Still lots of work, but progress. TY CCP. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.21 08:47:00 - [777] Originally by: BluPh About the plexes ... are you sure there are none in your systems? I've scanned some systems ad there are is at least 1-2 in the systems i scanned (about 3). Be sure not to just scan from one point, move around, the scanner's range is just 5au, so be sure to scan from a fair amount of belts/planets, whatever. About the belt drones. It's true, they are not in the belts. They show only when a miner starts to mine, but when killed they take a lot of time to show up again even with a miner in the belt. But we found drone at the gates ... and (brace yourself) ... we had some reports of drones at planets, which can't be right, or am i wrong. CCP, please take an hour of your time, and check these facts in person, not only the tq logs or whatever, because there is defenitely something wrong. Thank you. I just went arnound dropping multispec probes to find what was in system, and there were only about 4 systems with complexes in 2 constellations. One system had a gravimetric site, the rest were all unknowns, which all were found via the new on board scanner Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
BluPh TGB Foo Corp Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.21 10:31:00 - [778] Did u try with the onboard scanner? I've heard of people not finding anyhing with probes but then finding it with the onboard scanner.
Corporate Stooge	Posted - 2007.06.21 11:28:00 - [779] Edited by: Corporate Stooge on 21/06/2007 11:32:12 Last night I searched all 10 belts in the system I was in. (I know, not real thorough but a system should have at least one rat spawned where there was no one ratting.) I finally gave up and grabbed a mining barge, the second my lasers turned on a 3 battleship/3 cruiser spawn showed up. I went to grab my ratting ship and they were gone again. Brought the mining barge back and they spawned again. Bad luck or is that just some programmer's sick joke? Finally I brought in my main to kill the spawn and nothing spawned again for an hour. Admittedly this is only one person's account but since others are reporting similar problems...
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.21 11:29:00 - [780] I did a escalating encounter with my corp yesterday killed around 30-35 BS loot was unimpressive, no commander spawned. But hey I'm used to getting the raw end of the stick. So then I decide ok lets go back to what I know what has kept me out of poverty belt ratting! Oh but Jai the rats don't spawn in belts anymore they've come to see that living in belts was hazardous to their health and have thus decided to hang around some gates and perhaps even chill out at some planets. I think it's the height of inequity that people are earning millions doing missions in empire, concord looking over there shoulder, getting loyalty points to get phat loot. Meanwhile IN 0.0 IT TAKES ME 45 MINS TO FIND A RAT. Now is it cynical of me to have the sense that we're not going to see a dev reply on the non-existent belt rats for a long long time? Thats all you can be about the drone regions, cynical. However the only good thing that has happened this week is I won big lottery on Tuesday so I can sit around like Jabba The Hutt and laugh deeply at my corp mates who are flying around in all but in name 1.0 systems. Jai out.
Wilguma	Posted - 2007.06.21 12:09:00 - [781] I have come to the following conclusion about the drone regions: Now that Bob and MC are done with the north for the most part they are starting to plan ahead for the drone regions. So what has happened is a Bob CCP dev has snuck a piece of code into the last patch making the new regions a easy target. No more income from ratting due to the lack of rats respawning, no more ice to fuel poses(ok so they might have fixed this one), and ratters who should not be mining trying to mine in thier battleships. Any edge you guys can get huh?

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.06.21 12:29:00 - [782] Originally by: Wilguma I have come to the following conclusion about the drone regions: Now that Bob and MC are done with the north for the most part they are starting to plan ahead for the drone regions. So what has happened is a Bob CCP dev has snuck a piece of code into the last patch making the new regions a easy target. No more income from ratting due to the lack of rats respawning, no more ice to fuel poses(ok so they might have fixed this one), and ratters who should not be mining trying to mine in thier battleships. Any edge you guys can get huh? Havent you heard?

Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.21 12:32:00 - [783] Originally by: Wilguma I have come to the following conclusion about the drone regions: Now that Bob and MC are done with the north for the most part they are starting to plan ahead for the drone regions. So what has happened is a Bob CCP dev has snuck a piece of code into the last patch making the new regions a easy target. No more income from ratting due to the lack of rats respawning, no more ice to fuel poses(ok so they might have fixed this one), and ratters who should not be mining trying to mine in thier battleships. Any edge you guys can get huh? There's a BoB conspiracy in everything :P
Riga Mortiss	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:05:00 - [784] AND since the new patch we have no or very little belt spawn rats.. it's bloody scarey now. We really need this looked into ASAP.. please CCP with sugar on top and choklate sprinkles??
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:07:00 - [785] Don't derail the topic. Or this will end up again in another Who is Who with alts and mains on all sides >.< Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Dingus Rx Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:10:00 - [786] Originally by: CCP Prism X About the rats in these regions: I didn't touch them. OK, who did? Please enlighten the people in the 27 pages of this thread. Dingus Out
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:17:00 - [787] Originally by: Dingus Rx Originally by: CCP Prism X About the rats in these regions: I didn't touch them. OK, who did? Please enlighten the people in the 27 pages of this thread. Dingus Out Oh that would imply that somebody has to take personal responsibility for somehow breaking the rat spawns. Let's make it simple. Lets just delete all the rogue drones and put Guristas and Angels in! Yay problem solved for all. Miners have roids. Ratters have rats worth killing. YAY YAY Jai is a genious.
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:17:00 - [788] Originally by: Dingus Rx Originally by: CCP Prism X About the rats in these regions: I didn't touch them. OK, who did? Please enlighten the people in the 27 pages of this thread. Dingus Out Sure, try and get someone to confess on touching things ... :P Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
HUA XIAZI Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:20:00 - [789] Can you (aka devs) confirm the problems that have been reported... ? ___ {o,o} \|)__) -"-"- O RLY? >=(^^;)
Riga Mortiss	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:32:00 - [790] Just as a bit of followup... I just ran the belts in system 87-1PM. At the time of this post (still shortly after d/t) there was NO SPAWN at all. There was no one else in system to clean the belts out, I should have run into multible BS spawns at this point. The majority of our isk comes from ratting, it's what funds our efforts in an admittedly challenging region. PLEASE can someone respond with an update? As a ratter I should have been able to get fair load of alloys by now.. it's vacant and this is getting very serious. Thanks in advance..

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:37:00 - [791] All I can tell you (and I'm not working on this so take it with a grain of salt) is that we've been unable to reproduce this problem internaly. I've asked QA to take a look at the regions on TQ to see if the rats there behave differently there for some reason, if they come back with confirmation of this being broken there, it will get fixed. However, I just warped into some random asteroid belt and found players pew pew-in' rats down.. so if you can tell me what region you're searching in I can look at that more closely. Might be bound to your prefered location? I can't tell you anything more than that as I've never worked with our NPC systems so I'd just be making stuff up. I can't even say working as intended because I simply dont know, that's why I'm reluctant to post about it.

Nazdarovie Minmatar Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:39:00 - [792] LQ-OQN region is def busted 3 system with 0 rats so far since i logged on. Don't troll please. -Hango Don't use your signature to troll. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Riga Mortiss	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:40:00 - [793] Thanks for the quick response.. please see previous post M8..
iqplayer Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:41:00 - [794] I just want to add in some more info, and another concerned voice. Belt spawns seem an order of magnitude less than they were pre Rev 2. It does seem though, that this could be an intermittent problem, as yesterday after normal DT, the npc's were abysmal. I went thru the belts in D-IZ 3 times without finding a single spawn, jumped next door into E8, went thru several belts before finally finding a single 3 cruiser/3 frig spawn. Went back to D-IZ (there was now a double BS on the gate), checked the belts in D-IZ again, and there was still not a single spawn in any of the belts. This all occurred over about an hours worth of time. Fast forward to the unscheduled DT. Minutes after logging back in, I warped to the first belt in D-IZ. Single BS, triple frig - killed it all off. Second belt nothing. Third belt Triple BS, which I then sat and chained for the rest of the night. FWIW, other corp members reported more rats after the unscheduled DT. Now, this morning, after another normal DT, I've got corp members signing off Eve to go play other games because they can't find any rats again (haven't checked the belts yet myself). Something is clearly amiss here, the spawns are nowhere near as numerous as before patch. This isn't a 'CCP took away my easy money mine', it's 'if this isn't fixed I'm going to starve'. Personally, yesterday I logged off my 0.0 npc'er and logged on my empire agent runner. Boo for lag in Motsu, yay for on demand Rat spawns......

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:42:00 - [795] Originally by: Nazdarovie LQ-OQN region is def busted 3 system with 0 rats so far since i logged on. I'm in LQ-OQN, so far I've warped through 3 systems all containing rats >.< So much for the region theory. What constellation is this?

Nazdarovie Minmatar Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:44:00 - [796] GDBW-2 P3X - 0 rats at all when i went through 06-70G 0 rats at all when i went through Don't troll please. -Hango Don't use your signature to troll. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Riga Mortiss	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:46:00 - [797] it "may" be related to the database tweaks on the roids? It does seem a tad odd that the belt rats have tanked when the roids were adjusted.. Granted I know nothing of the internal workings of the database.. it's just an observation. Sometimes a change in a database can inadvertantly affect another seemingly unrelated dataset. Not intending to be a pain.. and thanks for your attention X.
iqplayer Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:52:00 - [798] Originally by: Riga Mortiss it "may" be related to the database tweaks on the roids? It does seem a tad odd that the belt rats have tanked when the roids were adjusted.. Granted I know nothing of the internal workings of the database.. it's just an observation. Sometimes a change in a database can inadvertantly affect another seemingly unrelated dataset. Not intending to be a pain.. and thanks for your attention X. Another thought on that.... from observation, it seems that rat spawns are triggered when a player warps into the belt. Before, this was obvious because the rats would often spawn inside one of the huge, tightly clustered asteroids in the drone regions and go bouncing off at light speed. I know the devs would be more familiar than us with how rats actually are 'spawned' by the servers, but perhaps this proximity to roids is why npc'ers can't find any rats (roids are now spread far from belt warp in points) while miners get nearly instant spawns when trying to mine?
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:52:00 - [799] Edited by: RedClaws on 21/06/2007 13:59:49 I'm in 4-qdix in the SLYP-5 constellation (7-KXBJ region) warping around now. I'll update this post once i completed the run: (updated) VI-1: Empty VII-1: Empty IX-1: Empty IX-2: Empty IX-3: Empty X-1: Empty X-2: Empty X-3: Empty X-4: Empty X-5: Empty X-6: Empty XI-1: Empty XI-2: Empty XI-3: Empty "Empty" meaning no rats. I haven't looked at the asteroid vs rat relation. It's been only me and my alt in this system since downtime. During that time i've found 3 small spawns in total. (I stopped after finding nothing for the 3th run through) So there hasn't been anybody ratting for over an hour There are some reports that if you turn on some mining beams on roids they do have a chance to appear. But not confirmed.

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:55:00 - [800] This didn't happen due to the reseeding. I can say that for certain as our internal servers have the exact same seeding as TQ now has and the rats spawn there. However, I just got confirmation from design that they are aware of this problem and are looking into it. If I get any new information I'll share it with you here but otherwise I'm going back to creating some sensible formation for the new region asteroid belts.

Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:59:00 - [801] Originally by: CCP Prism X This didn't happen due to the reseeding. I can say that for certain as our internal servers have the exact same seeding as TQ now has and the rats spawn there. However, I just got confirmation from design that they are aware of this problem and are looking into it. If I get any new information I'll share it with you here but otherwise I'm going back to creating some sensible formation for the new region asteroid belts. I have to say, in terms of direct interaction to help fix problems (even if not immediately succesful), yuor participation here in this thread has been really awesome. Perhaps a best practice you could suggest to your colleagues ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.21 14:02:00 - [802] Prism, the only other change I can think off to the drone rats here is the speedbug that has been fixed. The drones sometimes went shooting off at 8000m/s before rev 2
Takis Shiro An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.21 14:07:00 - [803] No bounties, no faction spawns, no standing gain, no modules, no LADAR, RADAR or Magnetometric sites, no 0.0 Cosmos constellations, tiny asteroids. Yeah I think Revelations II fixed most of those... oh wait, just the last one then. Seriously, why do you hate us? No bounties, sure that we get. Even no standing, it wouldnt make sense (apparantly {but then again surely were doing a public service cleaning them up?}) so sure. No modules, yah with inventionw e should ebe able to make 'em. But come on, no meaningful exploration other than a tiny handful of combat that requires a big investment of time and effort (read get a gang and go many jumps to get to the end where there "might" be something, nice for a semi-casual player eh?). That just feels like a kick in the balls. You give us invention then stop us from having a chance to get datacores from exploration, then kick us in the balls by having no sites to try looking for. Oh low booster useage? Lets not give a few more places for people to find them (so people not owning the original sites have a chance) but just seed the modules. Well, fine seed them but its still not going to help much... Oh and from the lore, surely if the drone regions have been empty for years there would be more (!) not fewer archaealogical sites, simply because no-one has had a chance to get at them all this time. Same for gas belts surely, they've had time to mount up with no-one strip mining them. If anyone can find the stories about the drone areas I would be greatful, I don't have time to lok myself right now but I hope it will help in some small way.
Grendelsbane	Posted - 2007.06.21 14:33:00 - [804] We went out somewhere a couple weeks before the patch - huge move, lots of POS's, the whole deal. The area was fine. Now the area NOT fine. This is not cool; if it doesn't get fixed, well, someone here is welcome to my stuff.... if you can get to it ... because we're all up a creek with no paddle now.
Karai Kamasu The Collective of Ascended Beings Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.21 15:04:00 - [805] The patch just wiped out all the rogue drones, few as they were, chilling in the roid belts, roid belts that got so scared of them rogue drones that forgot to grow some ores. hi-sec, lo-sec, these matters are of no importance to me, I travel via subspace, keke
Halada Caldari Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.21 15:27:00 - [806] Edited by: Halada on 21/06/2007 15:28:36 Originally by: Nazdarovie GDBW-2 P3X - 0 rats at all when i went through 06-70G 0 rats at all when i went through Update : YM-SRU : 1 triple domination drone spawn an hour ago, now 0 spawns 2 minutes ago (and noone has seen one past 30 minutes) Click on my sig to read it !
Karai Kamasu The Collective of Ascended Beings Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.21 15:34:00 - [807] So after a couple of hours of flying through the empty belts in the systems P-T9VC, VH-9VO, JX-SOA, XME-SW, KGCF-5, Y-U09U and NHKO-4 and only finding two (TWO, 2, II) spawns that did not bother to respawn after their untimely demise, I've decided to log off and fire up my Fallout 2 and vent my frustration. Cheers. hi-sec, lo-sec, these matters are of no importance to me, I travel via subspace, keke
Disteeler Moritso Technologies	Posted - 2007.06.21 15:35:00 - [808] Edited by: Disteeler on 21/06/2007 15:34:49 Edited by: Disteeler on 21/06/2007 15:34:34 Originally by: Halada Update : YM-SRU : 1 triple domination drone spawn an hour ago, now 0 spawns 2 minutes ago (and noone has seen one past 30 minutes) OMG screenshot pls!!!11!! Dude I feel your pain, drone regions is for real men. Most of the "omg I pwnzoor u fire ze misiles" guys around the map won't stand a week there without the need of pain drugs. It's the hardcore 0.0 and at least you can be proud to manage to live there and raise the hole regions from absolute "zero". You are true pioneers and adventurers. Anyway looking forward to a fix :p
Ghosthound	Posted - 2007.06.21 16:10:00 - [809] Edited by: Ghosthound on 21/06/2007 16:10:08 I changed Siege Launcher for Miner I. LOL. Is it a new way to live in Drone Regions? Hate miners even more than before. And hate weldspar now. P.S. Prism, all you saw in LQ region, I mean mobs in belts - was a result of a mining-hunting-going-insane ratting with miner I. P.S. Rly, why do you hate Drone Regions so much? P.P.S. And yeah, why do hate Caldari so much?
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.21 16:11:00 - [810] Will the asteroids be getting fixed, too? Because the "fix" was for a 0 net gain. _________________________________________________________
Riga Mortiss	Posted - 2007.06.21 16:31:00 - [811] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: CCP Prism X This didn't happen due to the reseeding. I can say that for certain as our internal servers have the exact same seeding as TQ now has and the rats spawn there. However, I just got confirmation from design that they are aware of this problem and are looking into it. If I get any new information I'll share it with you here but otherwise I'm going back to creating some sensible formation for the new region asteroid belts. I have to say, in terms of direct interaction to help fix problems (even if not immediately succesful), yuor participation here in this thread has been really awesome. Perhaps a best practice you could suggest to your colleagues SIGNED!!
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.21 17:10:00 - [812] Originally by: CCP Prism X This didn't happen due to the reseeding. I can say that for certain as our internal servers have the exact same seeding as TQ now has and the rats spawn there. However, I just got confirmation from design that they are aware of this problem and are looking into it. If I get any new information I'll share it with you here but otherwise I'm going back to creating some sensible formation for the new region asteroid belts. Is there a link to someone from design acknowleging that there is a problem. The only reason I ask is that in 1 week when nothing has been done and everyone in the affected drone regions has gone ape#$## then some dev comes and say.."We weren't aware of problem". That would lead to everyone screaming bias(again), posting that your a BoB spy/alt/sympathizer/lackey/bff/spawn of satan. Im sure we dont need anymore of that right now and I'm sure you dont want the headache. So if possible could you please either direct everyone to the link or instant message someone in design to make a post please. Thanks alot.
Wilguma	Posted - 2007.06.21 17:24:00 - [813] Originally by: CCP Prism X This didn't happen due to the reseeding. I can say that for certain as our internal servers have the exact same seeding as TQ now has and the rats spawn there. However, I just got confirmation from design that they are aware of this problem and are looking into it. If I get any new information I'll share it with you here but otherwise I'm going back to creating some sensible formation for the new region asteroid belts. It has nothing to do with rats being in the belts as they are there at server start up. Its the fact that once someone clears them out of the belts that they do not respawn again except for at the gates. Hope that helps. So if you went looking for rats and found systems that were not cleared yet then of course everything looks normal to you. Go to one of those systems then clear out all the belts. Then try and rat for a hour and let me know what you think. =)
Halada Caldari Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.21 17:45:00 - [814] Edited by: Halada on 21/06/2007 17:45:58 Oh well, we'll survive this one as well i guess Click on my sig to read it !
Metaller Ocean Dynamics Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.21 18:01:00 - [815] Just finished another one of these encounters and i was really lucky and a rogue drone commander spawned!!! But after i killed it i saw that it left an empty wreck! Please CCP fix this. That was an extremly dissapointing experience, first time a get to kill an officer like rat and it leaves nothing!
Bosjathfort Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.21 18:15:00 - [816] I found two explorations in drone space recently. First one, I got 10 frigates spawn and that was all... the second one, I had 2 BS sized rats + 30 frigates and 10* 10000 isk worth security guns... What kind of crap was that ? \\(^O^ )// o/ \o !!null
Kw4h Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.21 18:20:00 - [817] I just ran through all the belts in 4-Q for the 3rd time. My conclusion is the same as Red: Originally by: RedClaws VI-1: Empty VII-1: Empty IX-1: Empty IX-2: Empty IX-3: Empty X-1: Empty X-2: Empty X-3: Empty X-4: Empty X-5: Empty X-6: Empty XI-1: Empty XI-2: Empty XI-3: Empty If you want to see it for yourself, come down and have a look (that's gm/dev only ofcourse) _ Planet Sight Wallpaper - EvE map
Freelancemen Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2007.06.21 18:38:00 - [818] Another problem to the no-rats. I did encounter a few bssen (took a hell of a day to find them) BUT those rats contained about 150-200m3 each before kali II now they have 50-100 up to 150 in extremly lucky cases. We also cleared a few sites in which we had about 30-50 bs. Sounds nice, sure, but we got 1!!!! whole can of alloys out of them for almost 1,5 hour killing with 5 of us. Come on CCP, you're kidding me right? So the alloys contain 1/2 of zydrine as before (ok, the price compensates it..) but the droppes got halved to even a quarter it was
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.21 18:55:00 - [819] A problem I was alerted to by a corp member. All the 'easy to find' new exploration sites in the drone regions are of the 'unknown' type. As a result it has become MUCH harder to find the real 'unknown' sites (hierarchy/radiance) that had a chance of escalation. The patch made it a lot more difficult to find those sites, unlike other regions where the 'good' sites are radar/lader/magnetometric, and I assume thus don't suffer from the mixup with the new easy to find exploration sites. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.21 23:50:00 - [820] Originally by: Freelancemen Another problem to the no-rats. I did encounter a few bssen (took a hell of a day to find them) BUT those rats contained about 150-200m3 each before kali II now they have 50-100 up to 150 in extremly lucky cases. We also cleared a few sites in which we had about 30-50 bs. Sounds nice, sure, but we got 1!!!! whole can of alloys out of them for almost 1,5 hour killing with 5 of us. Come on CCP, you're kidding me right? So the alloys contain 1/2 of zydrine as before (ok, the price compensates it..) but the droppes got halved to even a quarter it was THey decreased the amount of loot per rat (m3) and changed the composition of the alloys. The alloys still cost about the same but we on;y get half as much. That a real kick in the nuts, becuase it cuts our profits in half. Also the faction drone bses from plexes dont seem to drop any more than the regular bs. And they have also nerfed our belt rats. So we are making very low amounts of isk compared to what we werr. Something should be done to make sure every rat is worth as much as it was pre rev2. And that the new faction rats are worth more. Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Grendelsbane	Posted - 2007.06.22 00:34:00 - [821] As neighbors, we're in sort of the same boat as Frege, we aren't getting any income, either in ISK or materials. There are rats on the gates, and that is it. No rats anywhere in the belts. And, of course, the huuuuge belts no one can mine because the roids are anti-social, but I believe that has been mentioned. Kudos on actually talking to us about the problem and letting us know it's being worked on, but more and faster please... we're all going to buy the farm soon.
Riga Mortiss	Posted - 2007.06.22 01:17:00 - [822] bit of an update to the "no rats in belts" phenom.. it seems if you target a roid and fire a mining laser at it some rats WILL spawn.. this has been verified by quite a few people. This is also methinks an unintended bug / issue that goes hand in hand with the vacant balt syndrome of late... just an fyi for what it's worth..
Pherusa Plumosa Minmatar Corp die auf alles schiesst wo was sie Lust hat	Posted - 2007.06.22 01:22:00 - [823] assumption 1: After the patch, the rats where reseeded. A lot of them spawned inside the roids and where catapulted into the deep space. That was already happening before the patch and was a very annoying bug. assumption 2: Maybe the rats spawned somewhere else. Before the patch, I saw rats spawning at plantes and moons. They even spawned at our POS once btw, rats are not considered hostile or even neutral by the pos guns ^^. We could chain them like every other spawn.
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 01:36:00 - [824] Things I'm noticing. Rats on the gates are spawning in around 5 seconds after I jump in/warp in. found a couple of rats after DT then they didn't bother respawning. If I was to take a punt I'd say some changes have been made to the triggers of the rats spawning. This must have something to do with the roids and the distances between the warp in beacon and the actual roids. Because pre patch we were warping in on the majority of a belt within around 20km at the start, now we're atleast 70-80km from them. Would be nice for a dev update.
Bubble Jet	Posted - 2007.06.22 03:21:00 - [825] /signed Where's an update from CCP on this? They're too busy defending EVETV.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.22 03:26:00 - [826] The drone regions suck, ratting there feels too much like mining.
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 03:35:00 - [827] Originally by: Bubble Jet /signed Where's an update from CCP on this? They're too busy defending EVETV. At least the drone regions can be salvaged if someone gave a damn. EVETV lol.
Bubble Jet	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:24:00 - [828] Originally by: Cipher7 The drone regions suck, ratting there feels too much like mining. The problem is now ratting is mining. Because the rats only spawn if you hit a roid with mining lasers. See what I did there?
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:37:00 - [829] Originally by: Bubble Jet Originally by: Cipher7 The drone regions suck, ratting there feels too much like mining. The problem is now ratting is mining. Because the rats only spawn if you hit a roid with mining lasers. See what I did there? Icwatudidthere
Rinaldo Titano Caldari Domus Fatalis FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 06:13:00 - [830] Tnx for the rsponse from CCP. I hope u can fix that asap because so is the drone region unplayable and is just unusable game time for us who lives here and cant do other things even in empire because wars. Tnx again and waiting on other responses http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9741/rinaldo2ir8.jpg
Eban Moore ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 06:19:00 - [831] Well I hope something comes of this. I appreciate the response as well, but frankly timely actions speak louder than words. The patch was supposed to fix these regions, not make them worse. Who ever heard of an expansion that gives you less? Given the timely response from CCP here, I am hopeful that they can rectify the situation. I wait in impatient anticipation --Eban Moore
Commander BlackJack Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.22 07:26:00 - [832] Quote: Thank you for your bugreport - ID:39224 Title: Rouge Drone Commander The problem you have described as an intended game feature, and not a bug. Your bugreport has been closed. The BugHunter Team So it's intended that in our region the commander NPCs not dropping anything just EMPTY wrecks... While in other regions they're dropping faction tower bpcs and other faction stuffs. What should i say? I seriously considering cancelling my account...
Rinaldo Titano Caldari Domus Fatalis FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 07:37:00 - [833] Originally by: Commander BlackJack Quote: Thank you for your bugreport - ID:39224 Title: Rouge Drone Commander The problem you have described as an intended game feature, and not a bug. Your bugreport has been closed. The BugHunter Team So it's intended that in our region the commander NPCs not dropping anything just EMPTY wrecks... While in other regions they're dropping faction tower bpcs and other faction stuffs. What should i say? I seriously considering cancelling my account... They have at least bounty? http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9741/rinaldo2ir8.jpg
Commander BlackJack Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.22 07:43:00 - [834] Nothing just an empty wreck...
Rinaldo Titano Caldari Domus Fatalis FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 07:48:00 - [835] Originally by: Commander BlackJack Nothing just an empty wreck... Than what the purpose of the commander drones? Just to say they are there?? Thats is a bit unfair. The commander drones in other regions have higher bounty + very valuable stuffs. Why could drones not have in commanders more alloys and + some stuff. I know that storyline say that the drones reprocess everything and they was cutted from other race space, but u can go a bit for. They are not cutted now, so they could get some stuff from other races if they kill them. And have some in cargo waiting for reprocess. that nothing unusual. http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9741/rinaldo2ir8.jpg

CCP Chronotis	Posted - 2007.06.22 07:50:00 - [836] Originally by: Commander BlackJack Quote: Thank you for your bugreport - ID:39224 Title: Rouge Drone Commander The problem you have described as an intended game feature, and not a bug. Your bugreport has been closed. The BugHunter Team So it's intended that in our region the commander NPCs not dropping anything just EMPTY wrecks... the wrecks are not 'empty', you just need the right tool

Seramyr l'Ethia Fallen Angels Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 07:56:00 - [837] Edited by: Seramyr l''Ethia on 22/06/2007 07:56:17 Originally by: CCP Chronotis Originally by: Commander BlackJack Quote: Thank you for your bugreport - ID:39224 Title: Rouge Drone Commander The problem you have described as an intended game feature, and not a bug. Your bugreport has been closed. The BugHunter Team So it's intended that in our region the commander NPCs not dropping anything just EMPTY wrecks... the wrecks are not 'empty', you just need the right tool It should be mentioned that even if you salvage the wrecks, as is intended, the payoff seems to have been undervalued by CCP given the current market. My last sentient commander spawn gave me about 2-3m in rig parts, going by Jita sell orders. My first comm spawn I actually bugreported despite salvaging it, as it didn't even occur to me that that was the reward in entirety.
Sabian Treehugger Minmatar 54th Knights Templar O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 07:57:00 - [838] Edited by: Sabian Treehugger on 22/06/2007 08:00:00 Drone commanders should be droping rigs for finding and killing them not some stupid cheap salvage Why the hell did CCP ever made these bloody regions? So it could get thousands of players in there and take a ** at them? And now with the war in the north we get crippled after six months of doing nothing. Oh and EVETV EVE******TV when we have all these problems ,I'm not even paying my subscription this month nevermind evetv. Anyway we are recruiting players and we'll provide them with everything they need for pvp or anything else but only one condition : -Must be an icelandic computter programmer.
Rinaldo Titano Caldari Domus Fatalis FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 07:58:00 - [839] Originally by: CCP Chronotis Originally by: Commander BlackJack Quote: Thank you for your bugreport - ID:39224 Title: Rouge Drone Commander The problem you have described as an intended game feature, and not a bug. Your bugreport has been closed. The BugHunter Team So it's intended that in our region the commander NPCs not dropping anything just EMPTY wrecks... the wrecks are not 'empty', you just need the right tool Thats not equal with other commanders. they can be salvaged also. and that additionally http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9741/rinaldo2ir8.jpg
BluPh TGB Foo Corp Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 07:58:00 - [840] Bad humor timing. Not nice making fun of things that are reducing our will to play this game. We all know what he meant with the empty wreck ... so there's really no sense in humoring that ... It's not nice to see that you are aware of the problems and joking about them, while we're getting more and more sad and angry, because of the lack of the attention the drone regions shuld have (and frankly, after all this time deserve ..)
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:01:00 - [841] Exactly. i swear if that region would belong to bob, it would be fixed on the 1st day. or even would not be broken! I think i cancel my subscription till the things would work fair. and ask all my friends do the same. maybe so we can get some attention
Commander BlackJack Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:15:00 - [842] Originally by: CCP Chronotis Originally by: Commander BlackJack Quote: Thank you for your bugreport - ID:39224 Title: Rouge Drone Commander The problem you have described as an intended game feature, and not a bug. Your bugreport has been closed. The BugHunter Team So it's intended that in our region the commander NPCs not dropping anything just EMPTY wrecks... the wrecks are not 'empty', you just need the right tool As i know the other commanders in other regions are also salvagable and as i mentioned they're dropping quite good loot there - not just the rig components. But i guess i should be happy that we have atleast t2 rig components now... We all know that the drone regions are intended to be hard. And it's nothing wrong with it. But seeing that next to our region with the same effort someone is making 10x more isk than us is simply annoying. And seeing it for 6 MONTHS makes us really really angry.
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:24:00 - [843] Frankly, I don't give a damn about all the people saying "OMG if it sucks move!!1" Where should we move? I hear lots of suggestions on moving, but I don't see any offers to trade places. Even regions like Pure Blind, which anyone with a brain will admit, are a fetid hole, have: Working rats Working belts Working loot I can visit any other area, get some bounties, some phat lewt, maybe some faction mods (either for huge profit or e-peen). Here, I get.... Minerals. At least the other regions have the option of refining the loot to minerals. You know what it's like to have to depend on EVERY SINGLE THING you use being built or shipped in!? Some things like trade goods for POSes, it's unavoidable, but we need to IMPORT T1 AND NAMED ITEMS. Boosted trit and pyerite will alleviate some of the issues with t1, but in the end, give 2 people 12 hours to rat, loot, and build a ship with the mods, one in any other area, and one here, and even if we allow the drone region dude to make his own stuff from the mins, his ship will be inferior, his profit from what he killed will be lower, and he needs skills and blueprints to do it. All so that some muppet with a tenth of the skills can cruise belts, pwn for bounties, and get fancy toys? Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Rinaldo Titano Caldari Domus Fatalis FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:29:00 - [844] Yes, the trit and pye in alloys is good, but for this we need alloys, and for alloys we need rats, what is almost unpossible since tha patch http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9741/rinaldo2ir8.jpg
Manic Smile Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:45:00 - [845] Can we get a decent non-'unknown' plex please...that isn't mining either.
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:51:00 - [846] Originally by: Karanth Frankly, I don't give a damn about all the people saying "OMG if it sucks move!!1" Where should we move? I hear lots of suggestions on moving, but I don't see any offers to trade places. Even regions like Pure Blind, which anyone with a brain will admit, are a fetid hole, have: Working rats Working belts Working loot I can visit any other area, get some bounties, some phat lewt, maybe some faction mods (either for huge profit or e-peen). Here, I get.... Minerals. At least the other regions have the option of refining the loot to minerals. You know what it's like to have to depend on EVERY SINGLE THING you use being built or shipped in!? Some things like trade goods for POSes, it's unavoidable, but we need to IMPORT T1 AND NAMED ITEMS. Boosted trit and pyerite will alleviate some of the issues with t1, but in the end, give 2 people 12 hours to rat, loot, and build a ship with the mods, one in any other area, and one here, and even if we allow the drone region dude to make his own stuff from the mins, his ship will be inferior, his profit from what he killed will be lower, and he needs skills and blueprints to do it. All so that some muppet with a tenth of the skills can cruise belts, pwn for bounties, and get fancy toys? I've logged in 2-3 times today to ask in alliance if the rats were spawning properly. All to a resound 'No' so off I go to play other games. As I said in a post above, CCP should just bite the bullet get rid of rogue drones and put in guristas and angels since despite having 8 months to develop and implement a solution I'm frankly sick of the inequity of the drone regions compared to other regions. Fixed? pff, Now I know how my cat felt when he got 'fixed'.
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.22 08:56:00 - [847] Yes u had 8 month to fix the drone regions, and what happend? nothing or even worst now. On the place of fixing a very very important thing devs made overload and heat. a play stuff for solo or small gangs. A limited usable feature which noone would use in fleets because the lag what is not resolved either. RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE RESPONSE
fun q	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:30:00 - [848] CCP r wasting player's time and money now. ofcoz all game need time and money ,but (as somebody said)some make u fun ,some make u angry . they r pushing ppl make a choice (leave or stay).
Effei Gloom Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:37:00 - [849] signed - next minnie Outpost bpc me:5 available in 25 days -
RustyPwnStar	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:45:00 - [850] Edited by: RustyPwnStar on 22/06/2007 09:44:49
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:47:00 - [851] Edited by: Karanth on 22/06/2007 09:45:43 Originally by: CCP Chronotis Originally by: Commander BlackJack Quote: Thank you for your bugreport - ID:39224 Title: Rouge Drone Commander The problem you have described as an intended game feature, and not a bug. Your bugreport has been closed. The BugHunter Team So it's intended that in our region the commander NPCs not dropping anything just EMPTY wrecks... the wrecks are not 'empty', you just need the right tool Hmm, not to be too flippant, but my MSN is not working ATM, anyone got a loaner I can borrow for a few minutes? Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Rusty PwnStar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:47:00 - [852] Originally by: CCP Chronotis Originally by: Commander BlackJack Quote: Thank you for your bugreport - ID:39224 Title: Rouge Drone Commander The problem you have described as an intended game feature, and not a bug. Your bugreport has been closed. The BugHunter Team So it's intended that in our region the commander NPCs not dropping anything just EMPTY wrecks... the wrecks are not 'empty', you just need the right tool Great response, thank you.
Disteeler Moritso Technologies	Posted - 2007.06.22 09:49:00 - [853] CCP at least give us a badge like in Star Wars Galaxies "...has lived in the New Regions against the odds thus becoming a real man" "...has cleaned the New Regions from the Drone infestation" "...has found the hidden drone graveyard" "...bears the Mark of Grand Drone Slammer" "...has mined 1000 units of tritanium from a veldspar rock" C'mon :\|
jonus Rath Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:06:00 - [854] I'm tired of the promises. More than half year passed and our home getting worst and worst while all other areas are improving. I'd better spend my next 6 months with waiting for another sci-fi mmo rather than "fixes". Looking forward to Tabula Rasa and Huxley in the first round.
Effei Gloom Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:15:00 - [855] let belt ratz drop drone capital ship bpc and all is fixed - next minnie Outpost bpc me:5 available in 25 days -
Commander BlackJack Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:15:00 - [856] One last question for a 'Designer' why are the commanders dropping T2 rig components? Because as you may know we're unable to get ANY T2 rig bpcs in the whole drone regions cuz we haven't got Archaeology sites.
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:19:00 - [857] It's becoming time to do the math on missed income again and comparing that with the revenue math from other regions, no matter how much people resent it eve in 0.0 is about regional competition and the drone regions just can't compete. That has its consequences for immersion, subscriber choices, but also in game situations and environments alike, from wars at home to conflicts elsewhere. Now, it's clear many folks feel rather frustrated, but let's keep things clear and focus on getting the situations solved, because without finally seeing resolutions to in situ structural problems and adressing the imbalance in regional competition the perspective of ghetto problems will only get reinforced, and in essence be actual rather then perceived. In a sense of income, the patch has increased the time and work requirements for generating income, while decreasing the output, and complicating that situation with bugs and unfortunately broken feature sets while the general models of feature introductions and changes is not on par with other region income models. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug

CCP LeMousse	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:21:00 - [858] Originally by: Seramyr l'Ethia Edited by: Seramyr l''Ethia on 22/06/2007 07:56:17 Originally by: CCP Chronotis Originally by: Commander BlackJack Quote: Thank you for your bugreport - ID:39224 Title: Rouge Drone Commander The problem you have described as an intended game feature, and not a bug. Your bugreport has been closed. The BugHunter Team So it's intended that in our region the commander NPCs not dropping anything just EMPTY wrecks... the wrecks are not 'empty', you just need the right tool It should be mentioned that even if you salvage the wrecks, as is intended, the payoff seems to have been undervalued by CCP given the current market. My last sentient commander spawn gave me about 2-3m in rig parts, going by Jita sell orders. My first comm spawn I actually bugreported despite salvaging it, as it didn't even occur to me that that was the reward in entirety. The value of what may drop through salvaging a Rogue Drone commander is on par with the total value of what is dropped by other faction's commanders. Rogue Drone Commanders will, however, also be getting non-salvaging loot in the near future. Also, the issue with NPCs is being investigated.

LvxOccvlta	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:23:00 - [859] Edited by: LvxOccvlta on 22/06/2007 10:28:52 This is like a never-ending beta. With each release it seems EVE makes more problems without addressing the problems they intended to fix. I'm convinced that CCP is now in over its head. Virtuozzo, let's move INVICTUS to Syndicate :-v
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:26:00 - [860] /me gently pokes Lemousse on source files for those brilliant sovereignty presentations ... :-) Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:40:00 - [861] Originally by: CCP LeMousse The value of what may drop through salvaging a Rogue Drone commander is on par with the total value of what is dropped by other faction's commanders. That is directly dependant on the empire value of T2 rig components I'd say, if that market tanks, cool, if it doesn't, nope. That is a very vulnerable situation I'd say. Not to mention that unless this is another broken element, rogue drone commanders show up only in encounters .. not in belts .. Also, the required time to make ISK via ratting is not on par with making ISK from ratting with bounty NPC's, because of the required time to turn the drops into ISK. An argument which applies in part to bounty rats, but those, well, do carry a bounty. In the drone regions you have no choice but to return to station, invest in infrastructures for storing drops in space, etc, increasing the time-to-isk requirements. The rat spawn triggers, that is probably just a bug and it will get fixed, but I really have the idea that the drone regions design has structural issues which in the current trends and developments in eve are counterproductive for subscribers to engage in. Even if the ISK values obtainable are upped to being on par with bounty rats, it still takes a lot more time and resources. That is an imbalance. Now I won't go into the impact of all of this for alliances in the drone regions required to invest in the new sovereignty types and other Revelation 2 features which do cost bucket loads of ISK. With the incredible increase in logistics required the workload is much much higher, the income is lower and takes longer to accumulate, I think anyone can do the math there for scenarios where it comes to conflicts between inhabitants of the drone regions and bounty npc regions with an abundance of easy, flexible, multi resource type income methods available (income being both ISK and actual resources). That is a whole debate on its own. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Seramyr l'Ethia Fallen Angels Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:44:00 - [862] Originally by: CCP LeMousse The value of what may drop through salvaging a Rogue Drone commander is on par with the total value of what is dropped by other faction's commanders. Rogue Drone Commanders will, however, also be getting non-salvaging loot in the near future. Also, the issue with NPCs is being investigated. Out of curiosity, could you detail what sort of metric you use to evaluate the worth of any given loot? This isn't meant to be snide or patronizing; I'm sure many of us would be interested in how the value of t2 rigs parts are measured against, say, guristas tags (dropped by comms in normal regions). The t2 rig market is stagating at the moment for a variety of reasons (and is marginalized further by half of salvage loot correlating to worthless rigs), and as demand is entirely player-driven I imagine it's hard to get a bearing on the isk conversion of loot. Good to hear it's under review, however. Danke. :) Also, quick question: At the moment, escalating waves in encounters are triggered when you kill a designated (hardcoded?) rat in the current spawn that's not visually differentiated from any other (instead of when the last rat dies). So, you could have a swarm of warp-scrambling striker alvatis spawn semi-randomly as you're still clearing the current wave. From my limited experience in normal region encounters they function differently. Is this intended, or am I merely mistaken?
Rinaldo Titano Caldari Domus Fatalis FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:52:00 - [863] Edited by: Rinaldo Titano on 22/06/2007 10:52:26 Originally by: CCP LeMousse -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The value of what may drop through salvaging a Rogue Drone commander is on par with the total value of what is dropped by other faction's commanders. Rogue Drone Commanders will, however, also be getting non-salvaging loot in the near future. Also, the issue with NPCs is being investigated. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. The value of rig component is dependent on market, and if it would dropped by drone commanders it would go down like Zydrine does. 2. So commanders would drop something in near future. What is by ccp a near futire, because roids should be fixed in near future after rev1 and after 8 months in rev2 are still broken. 3. I hope they investigate the NPC problem with all your power or u would somehow compensate us for this broken gametime and really tnx for the answer. was very nice from u http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9741/rinaldo2ir8.jpg
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:54:00 - [864] Originally by: LvxOccvlta Edited by: LvxOccvlta on 22/06/2007 10:28:52 This is like a never-ending beta. With each release it seems EVE makes more problems without addressing the problems they intended to fix. I'm convinced that CCP is now in over its head. Virtuozzo, let's move INVICTUS to Syndicate :-v Nah, we'll take Delve. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:00:00 - [865] Originally by: Virtuozzo Edited by: Virtuozzo on 22/06/2007 10:55:33 Originally by: LvxOccvlta Edited by: LvxOccvlta on 22/06/2007 10:28:52 This is like a never-ending beta. With each release it seems EVE makes more problems without addressing the problems they intended to fix. I'm convinced that CCP is now in over its head. Virtuozzo, let's move INVICTUS to Syndicate :-v Nah, we'll take Delve. Just filed the reimbursement petition. :P Yeah. i like delve. lets go there :)
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:02:00 - [866] I'm up for a trip, as long as I don't have to pack the sandwiches. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:02:00 - [867] Originally by: Damned Force Originally by: Virtuozzo Edited by: Virtuozzo on 22/06/2007 10:55:33 Originally by: LvxOccvlta Edited by: LvxOccvlta on 22/06/2007 10:28:52 This is like a never-ending beta. With each release it seems EVE makes more problems without addressing the problems they intended to fix. I'm convinced that CCP is now in over its head. Virtuozzo, let's move INVICTUS to Syndicate :-v Nah, we'll take Delve. Just filed the reimbursement petition. :P Yeah. i like delve. lets go there :) Ack, I jsut realised, according to CAOD we already live there >.< Now, BACK ON TOPIC. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:16:00 - [868] Originally by: CCP LeMousse The value of what may drop through salvaging a Rogue Drone commander is on par with the total value of what is dropped by other faction's commanders. Rogue Drone Commanders will, however, also be getting non-salvaging loot in the near future. Also, the issue with NPCs is being investigated. So the loot drops are messed up but the salvage tables are on par. But the changes to the regular loot drop from the drones has made it so that we are only getting half as much as what we used to pre-patch. The alloys were adjusted so that they give different amounts of materials when refined. CCP did a good job when they changed this because the value of the alloys themselves havent changed much. However, CCP did miss 1 very important issue. And that is in rev-2 the amount of alloys that is dropped by the drones has been cut in half. So even though CCP balanced it so that the prices of the alloys themselves wouldn't change much, they totally missed the part where the amount of alloys dropped was cut in half. Also commander/faction rats don't seem to drop more alloys than other rats. So killing a commander drone queen isnt any more profitable than killing a regular one. Unless on the off chance you find some t2 salvage. Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Disteeler Moritso Technologies	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:21:00 - [869] Edited by: Disteeler on 22/06/2007 11:20:35 Would be nice to know wich is CCP's short/long term plan for the New Regions. We are maybe moaning for something that is working as intended...like +being some kind of mineral pricing/flow/balancer/etc. developer tool?
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:22:00 - [870] CCP Also needs to look into the exploration sites. Still no hacking/archaelogy content in the drone regions. We also dont have anything for booster manufacture not even gas clouds. Another thing that happened with the exploration sites is that it seems CCP has removed *exploration sites* from the drone regions. And replaced those with encounter sites. If encounter sites are going to try to get more people interested in exploration, CCP should provide exploration content Also, the encounter site spawning needs to be looked at. Some constellations have alot of encounter sites, while others have none. Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:32:00 - [871] I am sick off reporting this crap already! And there is no results out off reporting anway so why reporting at all!!! I have reported broken roids first day rev was deployed - i got huge fu ck off from CCP - and i am still geting it. 1 roid per belt of crokite - nice work, lowe ends stil with same amount (poping in 1 cycle) --> sumurizzing - u didnt fix **** accept rat spawning - we have so many ratz all ower the space that they r at the planets and safe spots - just not in the belts where they should have been. So u manage to actually broken the most broken thing even more. Exploration - even taking into consideration that we wont get magnetometric ladar and radar signatures - the one presented r still broken. Ah well - i guess in REV3 we will get broken star gates - nothing alse to fu ck up anymore then that!
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:36:00 - [872] Originally by: Cruel Fox I am sick off reporting this crap already! And there is no results out off reporting anway so why reporting at all!!! I have reported broken roids first day rev was deployed - i got huge fu ck off from CCP - and i am still geting it. 1 roid per belt of crokite - nice work, lowe ends stil with same amount (poping in 1 cycle) --> sumurizzing - u didnt fix **** accept rat spawning - we have so many ratz all ower the space that they r at the planets and safe spots - just not in the belts where they should have been. So u manage to actually broken the most broken thing even more. Exploration - even taking into consideration that we wont get magnetometric ladar and radar signatures - the one presented r still broken. Ah well - i guess in REV3 we will get broken star gates - nothing alse to fu ck up anymore then that! 100% agree
Sabian Treehugger Minmatar 54th Knights Templar O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:44:00 - [873] Where do I petition CCP for griefing ?
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:51:00 - [874] Odd how the main thing we were supposed to have, i.e. be the "build-it-yourself" regions, has only become possible, somewhat, after the latest patch. No more importing massive amounts of mins to build frigates anymore... When rats spawn. Or asteroids behave. Well, we still have rig production.... When rats spawn. Oh, but exploration is viable now.... With luck. Next month, I'll have my doctor friend with a flashlight show us where those mag, ladar, and radar sites are. Well, with all our building prowess, and large distance from empire and CONCORD, we should surely be able to harvest gas clouds for boosters.... Hmm, wait, seems I missed that memo. So, building mods with imports, which we can't really afford... Building rigs with components that are easier to obtain in Jita than locally... Those fun uses of probes, hours of time, and enough prayer to ensure that EVERY team will win the Superbowl this year, to earn enough in loot to, well, not afford anything.... Oh, and drugs, those are fun! Well, for the people who can make them... OMG! I just found what our regions produce, and that, despite all efforts to curtail it, have succeeded in! WHINE! Yes, this is somewhat mean, and cruel, and not really fair. Sometimes, it feels like the things that happen out here, are in the same vein. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:53:00 - [875] Originally by: Sabian Treehugger Where do I petition CCP for griefing ? http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/Petitions/CreatePetition.aspx :P Reimbursement might go better. Serious now, neither is an option. It's a matter of sitting and taking it like a man, or woman - you get the idea. It's encouraging to see CCP staff on this topic, but as demonstrated the practical situation in situ has gone downhill, while the question rises whether or not CCP see the structural issues at hand. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
BluPh TGB Foo Corp Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:55:00 - [876] Thank you for the info it's nice to see some of the CCP people are still looking for the benefit of the players. As for the income, yes it might be identical to other regions, but that doesent mean the way of getting it is the same, and that is what those who are not in these regions forget. In other regions u get the bounty. I know a lot of players don't even bother to pisk up the loot, or salvage. They kill the rat, get bounty, move along. In the drone regions is drifferent. You kill the rat, then u have to loot it and possibly salvage it. When u do that, you do that again, and again and again ... until you got enough alloys to justify a carrier jump to empire. So the time from the actuall kill of the rat and the time u get the money for killing it varies very much. Some corps have runs only 1 a month, for example. But is also true, that we don't really need the money, cause we dont have a place to spend it The problem becomes when you become so poor you can't really afford to lose 1AF per week, yes this can happen ...
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:01:00 - [877] dont afraid guys, the drones would be back, with bounty and faction loot. CCP just making now the place ready for taking by BoB. After this would happens everything would be fixed and boosted
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:11:00 - [878] U know what - i am starting to belive that yes! No one on the world will make me belive that there is not posible to fix what is blorken in reasonable amount of time!!! No one! Speciall not as same things/scripts/proceses r working all around other space in Eve - so yes it might be INTENTIUNALLY that they r fu cking us around as there is no reasonable explanation WHY they would not fix the broken things. Usually for things u have 8 days to acomplish - if u dont it is the same as u dont like or refuse to do it!!! Thats how law is done - that is how companies works out ect. So simple U REFUSE and INTENTUNALLY FU CK AROUND with us all! I have got all BS from u CCP about roids u could posiblly make up; that they r broken and again thet they r not, once there it become clear that u r going to remake them as u were finally ABLE to found out whats wrong (when 1K or more players were teling u in here whats wrong), now u r saying it is fixed - go to hell!!!!!!!
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:16:00 - [879] Hmm, when was the last time this thread got a cleaning? Proper spelling, and not evading the profanity filters, not to mention a dash of sarcasm, does wonders. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:22:00 - [880] I wonder how long it would take for it to get fiex if rats all of a sudden stopped spawning in delve Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:23:00 - [881] It happened once. One shot of the special time machine, and it never happened. True story. Heard it from an alt of an alt of mine. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Sabian Treehugger Minmatar 54th Knights Templar O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:26:00 - [882] Originally by: Karanth Hmm, when was the last time this thread got a cleaning? Proper spelling, and not evading the profanity filters, not to mention a dash of sarcasm, does wonders. You can't blame them ,they just found out eve-online is not for them eve-online is for BOB la la la.... Curzon youre the man
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:29:00 - [883] Arg! Chest... pains... must reach.... Avatar killmail...! ok, got it. For a second, almost went to the BoB side. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
GroHOT	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:45:00 - [884] Yes yes, Why from Drones anything except for stones does not drop out, it is discrimination
Gaunty Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:57:00 - [885] Its not fair and not realistic to expect players who are living in 0.0 space to be making less money than players who live in empire. All we want is to fix our rats so they spawn, fix our roids, give us exploration, and perhaps all the other stuff we have been promised the last 7 months. If it happens i will send ccp 10 crates of beer as i run a pub.
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:03:00 - [886] Originally by: Sabian Treehugger Originally by: Karanth Hmm, when was the last time this thread got a cleaning? Proper spelling, and not evading the profanity filters, not to mention a dash of sarcasm, does wonders. You can't blame them ,they just found out eve-online is not for them eve-online is for BOB la la la.... Curzon youre the man hahah QFT.
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:04:00 - [887] Hey, try stick instead of carrot. For every day it isn't fixed, I dump a keg of beer down a storm drain, waste disposal laws be damned! How can you sleep knowing the beer is being treated so callously!!? Oh, the humanity! Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:05:00 - [888] Originally by: Gaunty Its not fair and not realistic to expect players who are living in 0.0 space to be making less money than players who live in empire. All we want is to fix our rats so they spawn, fix our roids, give us exploration, and perhaps all the other stuff we have been promised the last 7 months. If it happens i will send ccp 10 crates of beer as i run a pub. That's barely enough for one staff member ... Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:26:00 - [889] Originally by: Virtuozzo Originally by: Gaunty Its not fair and not realistic to expect players who are living in 0.0 space to be making less money than players who live in empire. All we want is to fix our rats so they spawn, fix our roids, give us exploration, and perhaps all the other stuff we have been promised the last 7 months. If it happens i will send ccp 10 crates of beer as i run a pub. That's barely enough for one staff member ... Now there we go - thats where all those fixes r coming from
BigWhale Gallente Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 14:07:00 - [890] I just walked through a 24 belt system. This is what I found: Tripple BS spawn Tripple BS spawn BS spawn Tripple BS spawn Tripple Cruiser spawn Six Cruisers spawn BS spawn BS spawn Double BS spawn I did notice few large Veldspar rocks. I have no idea how many units of trit was there, since I had no survey scanner on board. Nine out of 24 belts had rats in. I have no idea how it was before, right now my time is somewhat limited and I don't play that much, so I don't know how often is this. While I was mining, as soon as I turned on my strippers, tripple BS spawned. This happened three times for me. Other that that. Rocks being spread out that much is not such a big deal. Also, crockite and bistot rocks that I mined had more than 7000 units of ore in them. That is a wee bit more than 4 jet-cans. Which is not that bad. -- R, U, Y are letters...
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 14:09:00 - [891] System name please, so that I can mine the hell out of.... er, "inspect" these belts... Yeah, that's it... Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Serik Konraj Amarr Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:06:00 - [892] Oh my god... i just realized that i am an Amarr living in the drone regions. It can't get any worse...
Christari Zuborov	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:26:00 - [893] To CCPs defense - there's no way you guys have examined all of the new facets of the patch. I see a lot of whiners yelling about how they can't do what they've always done. Get over it, things change all of the time. It's pathetic how quickly people are in here crying about how the game mechanics are broken, unplayable, completely displacing their game life. Give a non-bias accounting of what you see in another week, after some time has passed, because I'd honestly be very surprised if anyone beyond front line triage people are listening to any of you right now. Quote: "I've moved to this desert 5 years ago, and informed you there was no water. Why haven't you brought the water you promised? My people can maybe only hold out for 4 to 5 hours longer tops" You moved to where you moved to, different areas in this game are richer than others. It's a modeled universe of variety, there's bound to be areas less bountiful than others. If you think you've found the desert - leave.
Azok Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:38:00 - [894] Originally by: Christari Zuborov To CCPs defense - there's no way you guys have examined all of the new facets of the patch. I see a lot of whiners yelling about how they can't do what they've always done. Get over it, things change all of the time. It's pathetic how quickly people are in here crying about how the game mechanics are broken, unplayable, completely displacing their game life. Give a non-bias accounting of what you see in another week, after some time has passed, because I'd honestly be very surprised if anyone beyond front line triage people are listening to any of you right now. Quote: "I've moved to this desert 5 years ago, and informed you there was no water. Why haven't you brought the water you promised? My people can maybe only hold out for 4 to 5 hours longer tops" You moved to where you moved to, different areas in this game are richer than others. It's a modeled universe of variety, there's bound to be areas less bountiful than others. If you think you've found the desert - leave. Spoken like a true player whose home did not get messed up. I do not post much and I roll with the punches but when they take everyones income and flush it down the toilet you bet people are gonna riot. This isnt a simple case of people whining because they want everything its a case of people waiting 8 months for fixes and not only do we not get fixes we get our main source of income nuked. I like where I live and I really do not care if we can not make as much as some areas I can deal with that but what I can not deal with is their inability to just fix the very few things that we depend on to survive. Please fix the rats and the roids. " The forecast for tonight, Dark" George Carlin
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:47:00 - [895] Originally by: Serik Konraj Oh my god... i just realized that i am an Amarr living in the drone regions. It can't get any worse... Well at least now we dont have to worry about being nerfed any further Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:51:00 - [896] Originally by: Christari Zuborov To CCPs defense - there's no way you guys have examined all of the new facets of the patch. I see a lot of whiners yelling about how they can't do what they've always done. Get over it, things change all of the time. It's pathetic how quickly people are in here crying about how the game mechanics are broken, unplayable, completely displacing their game life. Give a non-bias accounting of what you see in another week, after some time has passed, because I'd honestly be very surprised if anyone beyond front line triage people are listening to any of you right now. Quote: "I've moved to this desert 5 years ago, and informed you there was no water. Why haven't you brought the water you promised? My people can maybe only hold out for 4 to 5 hours longer tops" You moved to where you moved to, different areas in this game are richer than others. It's a modeled universe of variety, there's bound to be areas less bountiful than others. If you think you've found the desert - leave. Christari Zuborov - what the hell r u on about??? Althow we moved where we choose to - there r thing wich should be all around! We r not asking for nothing more but fot things wich should be accesable that r there and actually works!!! CCP is BUGGUING this space more and more and IDK what u have to say in CCP suport when it is more then obviuslly they scruwed it up good AGAIN! And i do love ppl who r posting here and actually not being IN SITUATION!!! When u see 0 ratz for few systems u know there is something wrong as it never was like that b4!!! When u see roids like nearlly with 0 amount u know it is something wrong as they r not minable, when u see ratz droping nothing u know it is something wrong as it is NO WHERE like that. Actually is Drone pace Eve at all??? Looks like big NO to me! We were taken away right to mine, to rat so WTF! Suporting words to CCP - u r trying well - bugging drone space to its limits
Petstretsi Zuborov	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:04:00 - [897] Edited by: Petstretsi Zuborov on 22/06/2007 16:11:58 Edited by: Petstretsi Zuborov on 22/06/2007 16:04:52 [edit - sorry, clicked my alt on posting by mistake] Your main source of income was nuked because the drones had too much yield, so enjoy the windfall. The yield was so high it caused the entire mineral market to crash. Have you looked at the market? It's already recovering in pricing and hopefully it will continue to do so. What this means for you and I in 0.0 is that we'll make more money mining with less effort, which is a good thing. So start investigating alternatives now and try out the other exploration sites. Be prepared, it takes some time and effort. In my experience I can go 8-15 solar systems of investigation before I get a hit. On top of finally finding one, you may spend quite a bit of time drilling down to which planet it's located at. The sites vary in signal strength, and depending on that strength, it could be a real easy 1 in 2 chance, or a dreadful 1 in 40 chance each time you scan to find it. It's worth the effort though, because once you do nail down those sites you can find BPCs, mods, all kinds of stuff - but it takes a LOT of patience. Read the exploration document some other players created, read it thoroughly until you understand the finer points. It isn't quick money like ratting, but for those who spend the time training the skills and reading the documents to understand how it works, it's extremely profitable. [edit #2] I and a couple other people did a drone exploration site last night, took us all of 5 minutes to find and about 20 minutes to complete. There were enough wrecks that it took 3 scavenger ships about 45 minutes to clean the area up. There was a decent amount of minerals to be had, not comparable to mining, but for firing cannons instead of training spending 200 mill on a hulk, I think it's acceptable.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:11:00 - [898] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 22/06/2007 16:12:19 Yet another one - zydrine was educed out of alloys yes - ok - but that is not the same as removing all ratzs from all ower! PPL u just dont realize u can spend 1h or more to find single rat! out of: broken ratz broken roids and broken exploration wich more options should we take? I wont even go into discusion about BLUE MOON land! So yes - tell us smart guys how we make those huge bilions needed to mantain aliances! I am all ears and ready to jump!
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:13:00 - [899] Christari > It speaks for itself that CCP cannot examine each and every aspect of a content patch, as it speaks for itself that EVE is a complicated environment where pretty much everything ties into everything. Change one thing here, observer consequences (wanted or unwanted) elsewhere - as for instance the ore distribution change which resulted in roids being 20k+ from each other (with a median average in for instance the LQ- region before Prism stepped in of 90K). This thread isn't about whining. It's about observations on acknowledged broken game features, errors in design and adjustments to a changing EVE in 0.0. It is encouraging to see CCP staff on the case both via the forums, IRC and in game, while myriads of others slave in the database :-) But, it is a work in process, one which however unfortunate as it may be has drastic consequences. Partly because of long lasting issues (8 months is a long time after all) partly because of normal post patch hickups which are being addressed, partly because these days competition between alliances in no longer a matter of conflicts within regions, but across regions and the galaxy alike. EVE is an arms race, and whereas all regions in EVE have been designed with advantages and disadvantages the new regions have had, and to a high degree still have, a variety of structural problems which unfortunate as it may be affect the very nature of EVE: conflict. As a staff member in a stressy moment posted a while back "there's 5000 other systems to choose from", or as you say "you've found the desert". Both present perspectives from the outside, bypassing the things that went wrong in implementing the design of the new regions in game, and adjusting a new content element to changes in game (as it always goes no matter how subtly some things may be). The new regions are an example of a lot of hard work, but yes, errors have been made, and it has taken a long long time to address them. But they are being addressed. One step at a time, tedious steps, while the rest of EVE moves forward it is the populations of the new regions who have shown incredible patience and trust in CCP to take care of their game - and yes, it's clear CCP care about every aspect of the game, but they're humans as well (except Oneiromancer who is Divine btw). It's a process. The changes as they were made with Revelations II have impact, but still leave a lot to be addressed. Encounter vs Exploration site issues for instance, the reward ratios of rats (keep in mind that in any other region in EVE you can make more ISK in half the time through bounty rats whereas the values of both generic and commander rogue drones are directly subject to empire prices without the presence of a base bounty value. If an empire economy aspect of T2 rig components tanks well, fine, the moment it gets flooded (like now with the increase in supply from other places in EVE, the direct affect is most drastic in the drone regions. This is but one example. Meanwhile do not underestimate all of this for all this time in the current polarised 0.0 area of EVE. It has impact. And don't forget the fun factors involved. Any gank squad who wants to take out some targets anywhere in EVE but can't find them for a moment can hit some rats and make ISK and here and there score a nice piece of loot. Try that in the new regions and you will get bored out of your skull, and loose money on it :P Now Revelations II is here, drop ratios and rates have gone down. Structural output of alloys has been changed allowing finally for production from local resources. But, at the same time the risk-reward ratio has been tilted even further. On top of that, it seems that the factors of fun, time-to-isk, efficiency and such are overlooked, while the rest of EVE does not have these drawbacks, no matter how crappy an area is. All in all, it's a process but a tedious one, and the race continues way ahead of the drone region inhabitants. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:27:00 - [900] Originally by: Petstretsi Zuborov Your main source of income was nuked because the drones had too much yield, so enjoy the windfall. The yield was so high it caused the entire mineral market to crash. Have you looked at the market? It's already recovering in pricing and hopefully it will continue to do so. What this means for you and I in 0.0 is that we'll make more money mining with less effort, which is a good thing. So start investigating alternatives now and try out the other exploration sites. Be prepared, it takes some time and effort. In my experience I can go 8-15 solar systems of investigation before I get a hit. On top of finally finding one, you may spend quite a bit of time drilling down to which planet it's located at. The sites vary in signal strength, and depending on that strength, it could be a real easy 1 in 2 chance, or a dreadful 1 in 40 chance each time you scan to find it. It's worth the effort though, because once you do nail down those sites you can find BPCs, mods, all kinds of stuff - but it takes a LOT of patience. .. I and a couple other people did a drone exploration site last night, took us all of 5 minutes to find and about 20 minutes to complete. There were enough wrecks that it took 3 scavenger ships about 45 minutes to clean the area up. There was a decent amount of minerals to be had, not comparable to mining, but for firing cannons instead of training spending 200 mill on a hulk, I think it's acceptable. You're confusing a few things. Yield from alloys was adjusted because the local resource per type distribution was a mismatch, while the total volume of resources per type was drastically less then what was designed for. This, combined with acknowledged bugs, resulted in conditions which forced folks to invest in shipping billions of units of low ends, local production and supply - required in times of conflict - was not possible otherwise. No other region had that situation. Every region in eve lacks a bit of at least one type of resource, but it designed so that manpower can overcome this on a local level. This was badly done in the drone regions. So, alloys were adjusted for mineral composition. Cool. Trouble was that the drop volumes were halved. Same for the ratios, and when post patch folks couldn't find rats things became a bit hectic >.< But this last part is something already being worked on. Even then, main source of income, which takes a lot more time then income in other regions via rats to acquire .. it's seperate from resource distribution, it's a factor of time for the game. Exploration now that you mention it, I'm sorry, new region exploration and encounter sites do not drop modules, bpc's or such. Apart from the Unknown signature issue that is complicating enough as it is. Signatures have different signal strength, but, well, there simply isn't much. Nor does it function properly. Nor can you distinguish between Encounter and Path sites. Let's also not forget that the new rogue drone commanders only drop a handful of T2 rig components, subject to empire price, independant of actual value rather then perceived value. Look, I know you're looking at it from the outside, and to a degree want to help. But, there's still structural issues in the design of the drone regions which fall in a number of categories ranging from broken features, patch hickups, unparalleled dependancies on empire and this cross-eve price levels without base income sources like NPC bounties, the list goes on, and on. As for Zydrine prices :P Those prices plummeted as there was nothing else to do, and income already structurally low. The prices rose actually because a bunch of us went to war, and stopped ratting :P Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:30:00 - [901] Little update: The fix to the asteroid positions is pending OK from the powers that be. I'm hoping I'll have it in after mondays DT the latest. It is also possible we noticed what was up with the rat respawns. We're going to run a little test on certain systems on TQ and see if our suspicion can be confirmed. I'll most likely appear in those at some point soon and see if I can get people to do some ratting for me there and report here on any changes. We will also need to see if the situation reverts back to broken after DT (if it's fixed at all to begin with) so this is still a work in progress. Thank you for your patience.

ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:32:00 - [902] Originally by: Petstretsi Zuborov Edited by: Petstretsi Zuborov on 22/06/2007 16:11:58 Edited by: Petstretsi Zuborov on 22/06/2007 16:04:52 [edit - sorry, clicked my alt on posting by mistake] Your main source of income was nuked because the drones had too much yield, so enjoy the windfall. The yield was so high it caused the entire mineral market to crash. Have you looked at the market? It's already recovering in pricing and hopefully it will continue to do so. What this means for you and I in 0.0 is that we'll make more money mining with less effort, which is a good thing. So start investigating alternatives now and try out the other exploration sites. Be prepared, it takes some time and effort. In my experience I can go 8-15 solar systems of investigation before I get a hit. On top of finally finding one, you may spend quite a bit of time drilling down to which planet it's located at. The sites vary in signal strength, and depending on that strength, it could be a real easy 1 in 2 chance, or a dreadful 1 in 40 chance each time you scan to find it. It's worth the effort though, because once you do nail down those sites you can find BPCs, mods, all kinds of stuff - but it takes a LOT of patience. Read the exploration document some other players created, read it thoroughly until you understand the finer points. It isn't quick money like ratting, but for those who spend the time training the skills and reading the documents to understand how it works, it's extremely profitable. [edit #2] I and a couple other people did a drone exploration site last night, took us all of 5 minutes to find and about 20 minutes to complete. There were enough wrecks that it took 3 scavenger ships about 45 minutes to clean the area up. There was a decent amount of minerals to be had, not comparable to mining, but for firing cannons instead of training spending 200 mill on a hulk, I think it's acceptable. Are you dense? Take a drive anywhere around the ngm-ok area, drop your multispecs, and tell me what you find. Ill give you a hint, you wont find **** And its the same way all over drone region 0.0, just ask any of the people who actually reside there its the same ****. I scanned every system between pa-aln, to about 5 jumps form 8-2. Wasting about 30-40 multispec probes, out of all the there was 1 gravimetric site, and a handful of multispecs. I suggest you get your facts straight before making a post Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:33:00 - [903] Originally by: CCP Prism X Little update: The fix to the asteroid positions is pending OK from the powers that be. I'm hoping I'll have it in after mondays DT the latest. It is also possible we noticed what was up with the rat respawns. We're going to run a little test on certain systems on TQ and see if our suspicion can be confirmed. I'll most likely appear in those at some point soon and see if I can get people to do some ratting for me there and report here on any changes. We will also need to see if the situation reverts back to broken after DT (if it's fixed at all to begin with) so this is still a work in progress. Thank you for your patience. Can we get an update on the explorations sites as well? Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Christari Zuborov	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:40:00 - [904] Perhaps I misunderstood, I apologize.
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:44:00 - [905] I'll bite : I think it goes without saying that we (residents of the drone regions) moved here of our own volition. No argument there. What is exceedingly frustrating, and in my opinion down right stupid, is the lack of communication from CCP regarding their acknowledgement of the issues, and most importantly THE PLAN TO FIX IT. I myself don't claim to have working knowledge of their operating environment other than to have read about their infrastructure as a whole in articles they posted, or their vendors posted (ramsan, IBM, etc). My point is, this game for all the "pretty" graphics is essentially Stateless Python game client that is tied via tcp to a backend proxy server farm, that in turn gets information serviced via MsSQL queries, stored procedures, etc. I do know from my 16 years of doing data center deployments and being a RL Director in a few IT companies that tools exist to audit code and run scenarios, setting breakpoints or triggers to see what the outcome of a given "tweak" would be. It is beyond me that after as was mentioned the last 8 monthes that CCP haven't been able to cohesively come up with an explanation as to why the Drone Regions are messed up, and to fix them. I will acknowledge that some issues are addressed, but OVER ENGINEERED which exacerbates the other issues........ What I would love to see myself, and I'm sure some of the other players in the Drone Regions, is first acknowledgement by senior CCP personnel that there IS a problem, and that they would then list the known problems. I would then love to see a plan of attack as to how they will fix this. I have watched the video where CCP's CEO talks about the gigs of logs they collect every day (and this video is like 3 years old now I think)..... So given that they have built their own debugging tools, it is nearly unforgivable that things are still clearly busted out here. Is it asking to much (directed towards CCP senior staff) for YOU to acknowledge and then detail for us what exactly you plan to do to make this situation right ? I think that as players, we've done our part by seeding Outposts, and literally 100's of POS's in the area, as intended..... Don't you think that parity now with drone balance and other factors like faction spawns and complexes should now be brought in line ? In closing, as a player that has 3 full accounts I've invested in for the last 4 years, it is sickening to me that such a simple set of issues continues to drag on, and to be honest my playing time is reduced because I feel like I'm working in the game instead of semi-enjoying or fully enjoying the game AS INTENDED. While I'm sure the response in my case would be (by the player base) that it was my choice to spend the $100's of RL dollars for subscriptions over the years for my accounts, and I do for the record love this game, it is beyond my comprehension that these same issues that Cruel Fox and others have taken time to report on (and are apparently valid, according to patch notes) are not being actively acknowledged and addressed. Can we please get a response from senior Dev Staff on this post ? We (Drone Region Residents) really could use a morale boost out here. Fly Safe 07 Localhost
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:57:00 - [906] Originally by: CCP Prism X Little update: The fix to the asteroid positions is pending OK from the powers that be. I'm hoping I'll have it in after mondays DT the latest. It is also possible we noticed what was up with the rat respawns. We're going to run a little test on certain systems on TQ and see if our suspicion can be confirmed. I'll most likely appear in those at some point soon and see if I can get people to do some ratting for me there and report here on any changes. We will also need to see if the situation reverts back to broken after DT (if it's fixed at all to begin with) so this is still a work in progress. Thank you for your patience. After u r done with roids; plz warp to it and scan it out - the low end is still the same as it was b4 Rev 2 - they pop in 1 cycle. Consider puting more then 1 or 2 roids in a belt, also a lot of arkanor was totally erased from or systems/constalations. If there was ark in belts b4 there should be 1 left behind if u have just uted them toghether. And get that ratz back asap - ppl r geting pised off 2 much Thx for responce and clearlly admiting the problems we r pointing out. Just dont work on this 8 month - i am sick of w8ing and holding on.
Hammer Judge	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:01:00 - [907] Originally by: CCP Prism X Little update: It is also possible we noticed what was up with the rat respawns. We're going to run a little test on certain systems on TQ and see if our suspicion can be confirmed. I'll most likely appear in those at some point soon and see if I can get people to do some ratting for me there and report here on any changes. We will also need to see if the situation reverts back to broken after DT (if it's fixed at all to begin with) so this is still a work in progress. Thank you for your patience. This is good news. I hope our little drones come back to us, a lot. - Visit my newbie guide for experienced MMO gamers.
Krakatau Gallente eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:27:00 - [908] Following Rev 2 the addition of encounters to the game has wreaked havok on exploration in the drone regions. Pre rev2 the hidden plexs that had a chance to escalate were easly identifiable by fidning an unknown signature in a system. Now it is like finding a needle in a haystack since both signature share the same type under a multispectral scan, "Unknown". The only way to find if the system truely has a hidden plex is to go in and drop quest probes in every system, one after another, and scan for the length of your quest probes to make sure there is nothing more then encounters in the system (around an hour). I do realize this is not a bug but what was a very nice addition to the game has basicly ruined what little value exploration had in the drone regions. Not only are explorers having to spend hours finding the hidden escalation plexs, but now with the change in chance to escalate in the game, it is making true exploration in the drone regions expremetly time consuming and frustrating. This change also has effected many other explorers throughout eve, but not as signifigantly since they have other types of exploration sites other then "Unknown". A simple fix to the identification of encounters would solve this proble quite quickly. If their identification could be changed over to "encounter" rather then "unknown" would allow explorers not just in the drone regions, but in all of eve to have a better exploration experience.
Kw4h Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:31:00 - [909] Originally by: CCP Prism X Little update: The fix to the asteroid positions is pending OK from the powers that be. I'm hoping I'll have it in after mondays DT the latest. It is also possible we noticed what was up with the rat respawns. We're going to run a little test on certain systems on TQ and see if our suspicion can be confirmed. I'll most likely appear in those at some point soon and see if I can get people to do some ratting for me there and report here on any changes. We will also need to see if the situation reverts back to broken after DT (if it's fixed at all to begin with) so this is still a work in progress. Thank you for your patience. Well, you know where to find 4-Q :) _ Planet Sight Wallpaper - EvE map
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:46:00 - [910] Originally by: Krakatau Following Rev 2 the addition of encounters to the game has wreaked havok on exploration in the drone regions. Pre rev2 the hidden plexs that had a chance to escalate were easly identifiable by fidning an unknown signature in a system. Now it is like finding a needle in a haystack since both signature share the same type under a multispectral scan, "Unknown". The only way to find if the system truely has a hidden plex is to go in and drop quest probes in every system, one after another, and scan for the length of your quest probes to make sure there is nothing more then encounters in the system (around an hour). I do realize this is not a bug but what was a very nice addition to the game has basicly ruined what little value exploration had in the drone regions. Not only are explorers having to spend hours finding the hidden escalation plexs, but now with the change in chance to escalate in the game, it is making true exploration in the drone regions expremetly time consuming and frustrating. This change also has effected many other explorers throughout eve, but not as signifigantly since they have other types of exploration sites other then "Unknown". A simple fix to the identification of encounters would solve this proble quite quickly. If their identification could be changed over to "encounter" rather then "unknown" would allow explorers not just in the drone regions, but in all of eve to have a better exploration experience. Weve been needing the ladar/radar/mag sites for awhile now, drone regions exploration is horrible. We dont have any hacking/archeology stuff, dont have stuff to build boosters. The only sites we had were 'unknowns' and they sucked hard (and im sure they still do). ANd now we cant even find those. Also the exploration/encounter site spawns seems to have been nuked along with our rat spawns. You will be lucky if you find 1-2 encounter per constellation Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Ka Aknar	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:16:00 - [911] lol, this is really close to being too much for me, i mean WTF is wrong with u ccp.... dont u like us in the drone regions or what?... then why did you make it in the first place.... living in the drone regions is really not fun anymore, we have no good exploration sites... no complexes... no bounty... no loot... no faction... and atm we have rats that wont spawn and a few silly belts of roids.... how hard can it be to fix this ????? I dont understand the problem, unless this whole thing is intentional... its starting to feel that way.... would be really nice if u would make a statement about the drone regions so we know what the heck is going on.... Kindly regards Daphoes An annoyed drone dweller..
Alocian	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:32:00 - [912] FYI, Within a couple of seconds of starting to mine a roid, the drones will appear in the belt. For now, if you have an alt, just start mining and some nice BS spawns shall appear for your combat ship to take out ;) I have tested this in every belt I have been to in various drone systems and it works everytime now since Rev II
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:10:00 - [913] I can confirm the 'activate a miner or mining drone and get a spawn' report. But I have an even more interesting titbit of infomation: I was activating drone respawns with a mining drone in 5ed, and it worked just as it had the previous 5 times. This time, however, THE NEWLY SPAWNED RATS WERE DAMAGED. There were 2 drone bs's and 3 cruisers. one of the cruiser had no armor and only 25% structure left, another had 30% armor and full structure. All had full shields. Its as though the drones despawned, but when re-summoned an existing drone spawn was recalled instead of a new one being made. Hope this helps. Oh, yeah: "OMFG BoB haxploit (carebear whine), etc."
BluPh TGB Foo Corp Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 20:18:00 - [914] Ok. What is this: 2007.06.22 20:14:08 Combat Alvus Queen strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 1007.7 damage. I was 130km away, transversal speed was 230m/s, it tore trhough my shield and half of the armor of my destroyer. Is this really normal?
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.22 21:12:00 - [915] 100% agree
Karai Kamasu The Collective of Ascended Beings Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 21:18:00 - [916] Whatever that Zuborov dude is smoking, I want some. As for the signatures that can be scanned down with the new on-board scanner, after about 5 of them I decided they are not worth the effort. Tons of spawns that trigger on random ships, loot and salvage that is comparable to about two or three spawns of rogue drones, and I'm talking about taking down about 20+ battleships not counting support in a single encounter. The loot from them was really dissapointing. Then I had to get a mining laser fitted to my dominix, 'cause it was the only way to get some rats to spawn. ________________________________________ hi-sec, lo-sec, these matters are of no importance to me, I travel via subspace, keke
Grendelsbane	Posted - 2007.06.22 21:30:00 - [917] Good to hear that CCP is still working on it. I really like the features of the patch, drone region angst aside. You guys who say "you moved into the desert" .. No, no we did not. You're missing the point. We moved into one place that was fine, then we come back after a DT, and ... whammo, nothing. Rats on the gates occasionally, that's it, and then rare. We just made a huge move out there, only to get the rug yanked out from under us. I wouldn't complain about lowered loot amounts, however remember the lack of bounties and the fact that you have to haul it all out to make any actual ISK on it anyways. Sounds like a fair trade to me. But seriously, if you think it's too much loot, lower the loot payouts but leave us something to shoot. Until the rats come back and belts get fixed, we're all just floating around out there.
Damfoose Caldari Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 22:29:00 - [918] Originally by: CCP Prism X Little update: The fix to the asteroid positions is pending OK from the powers that be. I'm hoping I'll have it in after mondays DT the latest. It is also possible we noticed what was up with the rat respawns. We're going to run a little test on certain systems on TQ and see if our suspicion can be confirmed. I'll most likely appear in those at some point soon and see if I can get people to do some ratting for me there and report here on any changes. We will also need to see if the situation reverts back to broken after DT (if it's fixed at all to begin with) so this is still a work in progress. Thank you for your patience. Well I haved been living in the drone regions for a while now and since the patch its much worse than before, In a 6 belt system I could count on 2 - 3 spawns one in the belts and 1 at a gate but now its over an hour between spawns and its not good tbh, Please fix the spawns in the drone region.
BigWhale Gallente Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 23:46:00 - [919] We just finished killing about 30 Battle Ship Spawns in a complex and all we got was _this_ lousy T-Shirt... ;) -- R, U, Y are letters...
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.23 01:58:00 - [920] At least the problem on the rats has been acknowledged. I did a little ratting after DT last night, I found 6 spawns out of the 40 belt system. Also I heard somewhere that if you get a mining drone it spawns the rats as well.
Sarah Sujik GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.23 04:09:00 - [921] correct, i spent some time with 2 friends in a 20ish belt system, 1 command ship, 2 ravens fitted for full damage no tank etc, and i ran a second account to loot/salvage/mine at 1 stage during the 4-5 hours we were ratting the system, we had 16 of the 20 belts with tripple BS spawns in them (mine, kill spawn if not tripple, chain if it was) move on. and come back in the next rotation, most spawns stayed, if one despawned we simply mined untill we got one we liked, before moving on. this mine to get spawns although GREAT for mining (mine 1 thing, warp out, tank picks up everything, warp back in and sit there stripping belts for 10 hours straight without fear of being attacked, (they don't despawn if shooting AT ALL anymore) is kinda broken. and in all honesty if it stays like this i really wouldn't mind :P in the few hours we were ratting we made ALOT of isk.... (3x ships spam killing BS as fast as we could, only warping to reload ammo as needed) later, Sarah
Metaller Ocean Dynamics Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.23 08:13:00 - [922] Originally by: Petstretsi Zuborov Edited by: Petstretsi Zuborov on 22/06/2007 16:11:58 Edited by: Petstretsi Zuborov on 22/06/2007 16:04:52 [edit - sorry, clicked my alt on posting by mistake] It's worth the effort though, because once you do nail down those sites you can find BPCs, mods, all kinds of stuff - but it takes a LOT of patience. PLEASE show me that site in the drone regions where you can get anything else than salvages and alloys from. I did alot of exploration and THERE IS NO SUCH SITE IN DRONE REGIONS!!!!!
Tewdric Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.23 08:39:00 - [923] Originally by: Christari Zuborov To CCPs defense - there's no way you guys have examined all of the new facets of the patch. I see a lot of whiners yelling about how they can't do what they've always done. Get over it, things change all of the time. It's pathetic how quickly people are in here crying about how the game mechanics are broken, unplayable, completely displacing their game life. Give a non-bias accounting of what you see in another week, after some time has passed, because I'd honestly be very surprised if anyone beyond front line triage people are listening to any of you right now. Quote: "I've moved to this desert 5 years ago, and informed you there was no water. Why haven't you brought the water you promised? My people can maybe only hold out for 4 to 5 hours longer tops" You moved to where you moved to, different areas in this game are richer than others. It's a modeled universe of variety, there's bound to be areas less bountiful than others. If you think you've found the desert - leave. Amen Brother... I Keep continplating saying the same thing on here as i am not somone who *****es about stuff on here, theres alot of stuff that needs fixing, CCP will get to it eventually lets leave it at that.
Thresh Avery Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.06.23 13:49:00 - [924] Originally by: Christari Zuborov To CCPs defense - there's no way you guys have examined all of the new facets of the patch. I see a lot of whiners yelling about how they can't do what they've always done. Get over it, things change all of the time. It's pathetic how quickly people are in here crying about how the game mechanics are broken, unplayable, completely displacing their game life. Give a non-bias accounting of what you see in another week, after some time has passed, because I'd honestly be very surprised if anyone beyond front line triage people are listening to any of you right now. Quote: "I've moved to this desert 5 years ago, and informed you there was no water. Why haven't you brought the water you promised? My people can maybe only hold out for 4 to 5 hours longer tops" You moved to where you moved to, different areas in this game are richer than others. It's a modeled universe of variety, there's bound to be areas less bountiful than others. If you think you've found the desert - leave. If for one minute that you're suggesting that mining an asteroid to cause a rat spawn (which doesn't always work, and in my time trying it worked less than 30% of the time) is what CCP intended for the drone regions, then you shouldn't be arguing your case in here. It is clearly not what they intended to do, it is a bug and they have recognized it to be one, so let's stop using excuses in the vain of "oh the drone regions are supposed to be different, so deal with the problems or leave" when it's blatantly obvious this is not how it's supposed to be. If some error caused the bounty rats to peroidically stop giving you ISK on destruction of the rat, i can guarantee you'd have something to say about it, so please have the courtesy to let us voice our opinions for a gameplay aspect that affects us. Sarah, i'm glad you're finding you're getting some benefit out of it, atleast someone is. However my corp and most of my alliance members are having more than a hard time of making ISK from either mining or ratting because of this bug. I'm not asking for faction loot or anything fancy, i just want the drone regions to function how CCP intended, which at present they're not.
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.23 14:17:00 - [925] Miner I on my dominix... never thought I'd see the day. We've given ample info to CCP for them to identify the problem. Hurry up and fix it.
Lamis	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:53:00 - [926] Yeah, this is seriously screwed up. Yes, it was supposed to be harder than the other regions, but enough is enough. We have no exploration sites other than unknown and grav. Both are absolute crap, and on the rare occasion you get a decent unknown, you get about as much as 6 BS's would drop when you kill 30+. The only time I have seen rats other than in a complex, is on a gate, and thats pretty rare. But heck, we are in the drone regions, so we may as well just bend over now, and lube up.
Thrawntl Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:43:00 - [927] the deep space signatures found by the on board scanner are almost non existent after doing them all when the patch was first released. Lots were found when the patch first came out, but after they were all ran they don't come back, Ive been scanning for days and haven't found any new ones in SLYP and in near by constellations.
Ghosthound	Posted - 2007.06.23 19:40:00 - [928] So far no fix. Still no belt mobs and only Mimer I saves us from the poverty. So how long is it going to continue?
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.23 20:22:00 - [929] Ratting was fine and more profitable than ratting in other 0.0 regions (even with Zydrine prices right above 1000) until Revelations II came. Now, the belts are completely empty. Even mining to bring the rats out only seems to work sporadically, and even then at least half the time there are no battleships (in other words a waste of time). As for sites you find with the new 'on-board scanner', I've found one so far since Revelations II came, and it was empty. That leaves the gates, but unless you want to roam around and rat over a very large area (which is not practical when you don't have bounties and rely on bulky alloys that need to be hauled for income) you run out of those rats very fast. ------------------ "If you ever need anything please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Effei Gloom Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.23 20:36:00 - [930] Edited by: Effei Gloom on 23/06/2007 20:36:14 i tested the miner II and the mining drone I trick. The drone spawn is seriously broken, and your only chance is to trigger it via "pretend to be a miner" the second way to get spawns its a big time sink and even then, its extremly random this needs to be fixed asap, of large parts of drone regions will be evacuated soon all you can do at moment is: run exploration with plenty of bugged sites (not to talk about the new problem of "unknown" (mixed with exploration and encounter spawns - this was adressed on sisi - ) mine in low value belts with far spread roids sit in belts and wait for the few rats that spawn after mining 5-10 min maybe ice mining is the best income now - next minnie Outpost bpc me:5 available in 25 days -
Ribadil	Posted - 2007.06.23 23:39:00 - [931] It's pretty obvious CCP has nerfed the new regions to allow minor alliances into 0.0, while making it unattractive for bigger alliances that may invade... kind of makes sense in a way.
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.23 23:44:00 - [932] Originally by: Ribadil It's pretty obvious CCP has nerfed the new regions to allow minor alliances into 0.0, while making it unattractive for bigger alliances that may invade... kind of makes sense in a way. No, it's not a nerf, it's a bug. And CCP has publically acknowledged it as such. ------------------ "If you ever need anything please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.24 01:53:00 - [933] Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Ribadil It's pretty obvious CCP has nerfed the new regions to allow minor alliances into 0.0, while making it unattractive for bigger alliances that may invade... kind of makes sense in a way. No, it's not a nerf, it's a bug. And CCP has publicly acknowledged it as such. The only problem they have acknowledged is the rats. They haven't said jack **** about our exploration sites, and we have yet to see the real impact of the loot changes. (which looks like profits are going to plummet) Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
cyberdistortion	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:00:00 - [934] Well....if BOB are really keen on taking the north, why not nerf the resources keeping their enemies alive.
Original Species	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:01:00 - [935] I said screw it, ill go back to running missions and make 10X the isk that I could in the drone regions..
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:26:00 - [936] Originally by: Adoro Some mates of me went there recently and they keep telling me: "OMG!!!11oneone!!! ISK ISK ISK!!!!111ONE!!!ELEVENTEEN!!!!111one" You get the idea...the alloys are worth alot they keep telling me. So why is it not profitable? No loot, ok....but the alloys... indeed, i mean, who needs to have the ores propperly fixed when your rats are flying sacks of ore, possibly with the words "Phat Lewtz" printed on their hulls. also, no static complexes? uh, you are aware that NOONE has static complexes now. we had a 10/10 in one of our systems, well not anymore, it's randomly floating about the whole constellation or region now i believe. bouncy rats: ok, it's a little weird, but i've seen it happen all over. usually they realise they're acting odd and come back after a couple of 100km. also, haulers?? when have you EVER seen a rogue drone hauler? EVER? there's a reason they don't spawn: they don't exist. they don't need to exist. honestly, when was the last time you saw a rogue drone hauling is wares into Jita 4-4 station? no? didn't think so. there's a reason sanshas and angels have haulers: they're representing human factions. rogue drones don't have traders, they don't mine as such, they're like ants or worker bees, they're basicly big metal bugs. you don't like things in the drone regions? then don't live there, move to another region you do like. i hear D2 just vacated a significant area... of course, you might have BoB issues if you try and move into their recently "liberated" systems, but that's your call - no bounties on your rats, and a bunch of whines about trivial things, or titans parking where the sun don't shine. ========================================== Iy please remember: I AM a sarcastic ******* and nothing i say has ever represented the thoughts or feelings of my corp, alliance, or anyone really. read
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:26:00 - [937] Originally by: Adoro Some mates of me went there recently and they keep telling me: "OMG!!!11oneone!!! ISK ISK ISK!!!!111ONE!!!ELEVENTEEN!!!!111one" You get the idea...the alloys are worth alot they keep telling me. So why is it not profitable? No loot, ok....but the alloys... indeed, i mean, who needs to have the ores propperly fixed when your rats are flying sacks of ore, possibly with the words "Phat Lewtz" printed on their hulls. also, no static complexes? uh, you are aware that NOONE has static complexes now. we had a 10/10 in one of our systems, well not anymore, it's randomly floating about the whole constellation or region now i believe. bouncy rats: ok, it's a little weird, but i've seen it happen all over. usually they realise they're acting odd and come back after a couple of 100km. also, haulers?? when have you EVER seen a rogue drone hauler? EVER? there's a reason they don't spawn: they don't exist. they don't need to exist. honestly, when was the last time you saw a rogue drone hauling is wares into Jita 4-4 station? no? didn't think so. there's a reason sanshas and angels have haulers: they're representing human factions. rogue drones don't have traders, they don't mine as such, they're like ants or worker bees, they're basicly big metal bugs. you don't like things in the drone regions? then don't live there, move to another region you do like. i hear D2 just vacated a significant area... of course, you might have BoB issues if you try and move into their recently "liberated" systems, but that's your call - no bounties on your rats, and a bunch of whines about trivial things, or titans parking where the sun don't shine. ========================================== Iy please remember: I AM a sarcastic ******* and nothing i say has ever represented the thoughts or feelings of my corp, alliance, or anyone really. read
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:32:00 - [938] Originally by: cyberdistortion Well....if BOB are really keen on taking the north, why not nerf the resources keeping their enemies alive. i havnt thought of it like that...... nahh, thats just too low for a human to go, isnt it?
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:32:00 - [939] Originally by: cyberdistortion Well....if BOB are really keen on taking the north, why not nerf the resources keeping their enemies alive. i havnt thought of it like that...... nahh, thats just too low for a human to go, isnt it?
Corporate Stooge	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:51:00 - [940] Originally by: Iyanah Originally by: Adoro Some mates of me went there recently and they keep telling me: "OMG!!!11oneone!!! ISK ISK ISK!!!!111ONE!!!ELEVENTEEN!!!!111one" You get the idea...the alloys are worth alot they keep telling me. So why is it not profitable? No loot, ok....but the alloys... indeed, i mean, who needs to have the ores propperly fixed when your rats are flying sacks of ore, possibly with the words "Phat Lewtz" printed on their hulls. also, no static complexes? uh, you are aware that NOONE has static complexes now. we had a 10/10 in one of our systems, well not anymore, it's randomly floating about the whole constellation or region now i believe. bouncy rats: ok, it's a little weird, but i've seen it happen all over. usually they realise they're acting odd and come back after a couple of 100km. also, haulers?? when have you EVER seen a rogue drone hauler? EVER? there's a reason they don't spawn: they don't exist. they don't need to exist. honestly, when was the last time you saw a rogue drone hauling is wares into Jita 4-4 station? no? didn't think so. there's a reason sanshas and angels have haulers: they're representing human factions. rogue drones don't have traders, they don't mine as such, they're like ants or worker bees, they're basicly big metal bugs. you don't like things in the drone regions? then don't live there, move to another region you do like. i hear D2 just vacated a significant area... of course, you might have BoB issues if you try and move into their recently "liberated" systems, but that's your call - no bounties on your rats, and a bunch of whines about trivial things, or titans parking where the sun don't shine. Hi, read more of the recent threads instead of the older threads where such complaints were valid. Doing so helps prevent looking like you have no clue by learning what the current complaints are. :)
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.24 03:03:00 - [941] Edited by: Jaikar Isillia on 24/06/2007 03:05:23 Originally by: Iyanah Originally by: Adoro Some mates of me went there recently and they keep telling me: "OMG!!!11oneone!!! ISK ISK ISK!!!!111ONE!!!ELEVENTEEN!!!!111one" You get the idea...the alloys are worth alot they keep telling me. So why is it not profitable? No loot, ok....but the alloys... indeed, i mean, who needs to have the ores propperly fixed when your rats are flying sacks of ore, possibly with the words "Phat Lewtz" printed on their hulls. also, no static complexes? uh, you are aware that NOONE has static complexes now. we had a 10/10 in one of our systems, well not anymore, it's randomly floating about the whole constellation or region now i believe. bouncy rats: ok, it's a little weird, but i've seen it happen all over. usually they realise they're acting odd and come back after a couple of 100km. also, haulers?? when have you EVER seen a rogue drone hauler? EVER? there's a reason they don't spawn: they don't exist. they don't need to exist. honestly, when was the last time you saw a rogue drone hauling is wares into Jita 4-4 station? no? didn't think so. there's a reason sanshas and angels have haulers: they're representing human factions. rogue drones don't have traders, they don't mine as such, they're like ants or worker bees, they're basicly big metal bugs. you don't like things in the drone regions? then don't live there, move to another region you do like. i hear D2 just vacated a significant area... of course, you might have BoB issues if you try and move into their recently "liberated" systems, but that's your call - no bounties on your rats, and a bunch of whines about trivial things, or titans parking where the sun don't shine. I kindly invite you to close your mouth when your entire grasp on the subject at hand is hearsay at best. We aren't arguing trivialities like you seem to be assuming with such a condescending and facetious tone. The recent outbreak of unrest is linked to the Rev2 patch which has further broken the exploration and ratting. The anger is forged from the lack of communication from the Dev team in the past and the seemingly unwillingness to give the slightest bit of attention to the problems drone residents are faced with until recently. For your information the current problem with ratting is the rats are not spawning correctly in the belts, to have a chance of a rat spawning you must first allow a mining laser or a drone to complete a cycle on a roid then the rats have a chance of spawning. If this is not 'broken' I do not see what is. In fact, I invite you to spend a week up in the drone regions so you can further consolidate your preconceived opinions of grandeur and riches. And if you do not have the capacity to tell, yes, I am being sarcastic. Edit: I do realize your post is outdated on the current problems of the drone regions and is dealing with the inequity of the drone region in comparison and not so much the bugged and broken side of it.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.24 03:03:00 - [942] Originally by: Iyanah Originally by: Adoro Some mates of me went there recently and they keep telling me: "OMG!!!11oneone!!! ISK ISK ISK!!!!111ONE!!!ELEVENTEEN!!!!111one" You get the idea...the alloys are worth alot they keep telling me. So why is it not profitable? No loot, ok....but the alloys... indeed, i mean, who needs to have the ores propperly fixed when your rats are flying sacks of ore, possibly with the words "Phat Lewtz" printed on their hulls. also, no static complexes? uh, you are aware that NOONE has static complexes now. we had a 10/10 in one of our systems, well not anymore, it's randomly floating about the whole constellation or region now i believe. bouncy rats: ok, it's a little weird, but i've seen it happen all over. usually they realise they're acting odd and come back after a couple of 100km. also, haulers?? when have you EVER seen a rogue drone hauler? EVER? there's a reason they don't spawn: they don't exist. they don't need to exist. honestly, when was the last time you saw a rogue drone hauling is wares into Jita 4-4 station? no? didn't think so. there's a reason sanshas and angels have haulers: they're representing human factions. rogue drones don't have traders, they don't mine as such, they're like ants or worker bees, they're basicly big metal bugs. you don't like things in the drone regions? then don't live there, move to another region you do like. i hear D2 just vacated a significant area... of course, you might have BoB issues if you try and move into their recently "liberated" systems, but that's your call - no bounties on your rats, and a bunch of whines about trivial things, or titans parking where the sun don't shine. You have no idea WTF your even talking about. The drones aren't really worth that much. Especially after the patch, they changed the minerals, and I think this is the highest price were going to see the drone loot again because once we get our rats back it will crash the trit/pye markets. Also they have cut that amount of loots dropped pre drone to half of what it was. So nope that rev2 is here the alloys are worth less, and the drones drop less of them. Also to make any isk off of the drones we must transport the loots back to empire, we also need max refining skills to make any decent profit, and after refining we have to place sell orders to make a reasonable profit. Also keep in mind that since we must loot every wreck to make our isk our ratting process also takes alot longer, in the time it takes to clear 2 bounty rat belts you have cleared and looted 1 drone belt. Also our ratting process is slowed down further because every 1-2belts we must go empty our loot somewhere. And there is no chance for any special loots. Every drone is worth the same, I wish i got drones with 70mil items in them So by saying drones are an isk fountain you are just proving that you have know idea whatsoever of what your talking about. Also, please pay attention to the timestamp on people posts, this thread has been going on for months. Back when there were static plexes we didnt get any, and we were told that everything would be exploration based. Many months later our exploration is still the worst in eve. No ladar/radar/mag sites, no hacking/archaelogy/ booster production whatsoever. The sites that we do have suck, and arent worth the probes to find. Also now that we have the encounter sites it makes it extremely difficult to find our **ty exploration sites in the first place. Chock it up to ccp to make encounter sites the same type of signature as the only type of site we have, and still keep the 'junk' (or whatever the ** it was) category there. So we cant distinguish between them. After the patch we though the new encounter sites would give us some relief. But they like everything else here are b0rked all to hell. You are lucky if there are 1-2 sites per constellation, and to make it even more fun CCP decided to make it so that they dont respawn. Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.24 03:22:00 - [943] Edited by: Jaikar Isillia on 24/06/2007 03:21:14 Ghost pretty much sums it up.
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.24 03:32:00 - [944] Originally by: Jaikar Isillia For your information the current problem with ratting is the rats are not spawning correctly in the belts, to have a chance of a rat spawning you must first allow a mining laser or a drone to complete a cycle on a roid then the rats have a chance of spawning. If this is not 'broken' I do not see what is. Indeed, this what people who don't live out there and are responding here don't understand. Since Revelations II our belts have gone completely empty of rats. There is nothing there. ------------------ "If you ever need anything please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.24 08:41:00 - [945] /bump
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.24 10:05:00 - [946] We have yet to hear **** regarding our b0rked exploration/escalation sites. We have gotten a response to our rat problems, but CCP is just ignoring the problems with exploration Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Karai Kamasu The Collective of Ascended Beings Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.24 10:44:00 - [947] Originally by: Iyanah indeed, i mean, who needs to have the ores propperly fixed when your rats are flying sacks of ore, possibly with the words "Phat Lewtz" printed on their hulls. also, no static complexes? uh, you are aware that NOONE has static complexes now. we had a 10/10 in one of our systems, well not anymore, it's randomly floating about the whole constellation or region now i believe. bouncy rats: ok, it's a little weird, but i've seen it happen all over. usually they realise they're acting odd and come back after a couple of 100km. also, haulers?? when have you EVER seen a rogue drone hauler? EVER? there's a reason they don't spawn: they don't exist. they don't need to exist. honestly, when was the last time you saw a rogue drone hauling is wares into Jita 4-4 station? no? didn't think so. there's a reason sanshas and angels have haulers: they're representing human factions. rogue drones don't have traders, they don't mine as such, they're like ants or worker bees, they're basicly big metal bugs. you don't like things in the drone regions? then don't live there, move to another region you do like. i hear D2 just vacated a significant area... of course, you might have BoB issues if you try and move into their recently "liberated" systems, but that's your call - no bounties on your rats, and a bunch of whines about trivial things, or titans parking where the sun don't shine. OH NOES, our 10/10 we been farming like crazy is no longer a static plex. I feel for you, here's a cookie. Now go troll some other thread where your lack of wits and cluelessness helps you blend in with the other trolls and forum alts. Keep this thread on the first page, until the drone regions are fixed. ________________________________________ hi-sec, lo-sec, these matters are of no importance to me, I travel via subspace, keke
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.24 10:45:00 - [948] Originally by: ghosttr We have yet to hear **** regarding our b0rked exploration/escalation sites. We have gotten a response to our rat problems, but CCP is just ignoring the problems with exploration Yeah, I wouldn't get hopeful on the exploration. Something has to be broken at all times otherwise the drone regions wouldn't be .. the drone regions. Monday better mean the fixing of the rats or I'm gonna scream.
Kw4h Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.24 11:56:00 - [949] Edited by: Kw4h on 24/06/2007 11:55:46 Any updates on the spawn issue? :) edit: woah a spawn at a belt just after DT :D _ Planet Sight Wallpaper - EvE map
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.24 12:04:00 - [950] Originally by: Kw4h Edited by: Kw4h on 24/06/2007 11:55:46 Any updates on the spawn issue? :) edit: woah a spawn at a belt just after DT :D Yes but after you finish killing, it will vanish and not respawn without mining laser trick.
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.06.24 12:13:00 - [951] 31 pages and the only problem is the new one of the mining to get spawns. Everything else is intended, still people cant see this, living proof that alot of EVE players arnt too bright.
Kw4h Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.24 12:13:00 - [952] not quite sure. I just warped to a belt and a spawn just physically 'spawned'. That means, all rats are at the same location and start to spread out. And... in the next belt too as i'm typing :) I actually wonder if its fixed now _ Planet Sight Wallpaper - EvE map
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.24 12:48:00 - [953] Originally by: Kw4h not quite sure. I just warped to a belt and a spawn just physically 'spawned'. That means, all rats are at the same location and start to spread out. And... in the next belt too as i'm typing :) I actually wonder if its fixed now If that is the case, it'll be worth checking if it is consistent behaviour, or not. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.24 17:13:00 - [954] Still buggy, just spawn 1 time after DT, than disappear and dont spawn again
Kw4h Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.24 18:34:00 - [955] Yeah after a while (couple hours ago) they still did disappear, and didn't come back. I did have some healthy ratting for a bit though chaining a spawn that only ran away after an hour or so. After that it's been plain dead :( _ Planet Sight Wallpaper - EvE map
J homan GYR corp	Posted - 2007.06.24 20:28:00 - [956] still nobody can help ?
Detech Corrective Action Team Proper Response	Posted - 2007.06.24 23:15:00 - [957] We wait, but nothing still happend
Brisk Legeon	Posted - 2007.06.24 23:40:00 - [958] Drone Region Drones: As we all are aware of spawn problem, list below adds to broken items list in drone region. 1. After BS Drone explodes, it drops its wreck 6000m to 20000m away from the original place of explotion. 2. Sometimes, more often then not, when I'm within 1500m needed to access wreck or salvaged container, it says I'm too far away, even if i'm within 100m. Need to fly around the wreck to get access to it. 3. Randomly, for no apperant reason, Medium NOS i use on drones, says I need to be within 12000m, when I'm at 1000m away. Also, today I was able to now a drone at 20,000km!!!??? When the drone got 8000m to me it says I need to be within 12000m. Same things with guns, they start missing.

CCP Chronotis	Posted - 2007.06.24 23:55:00 - [959] I cannot comment on the 'distance' issues as that is not my area as I am no programmer, but sounds like it would not be exclusive to rogue drones in my opinion despite their recent tenacity to wander of from asteroid belts and only return when someone tries to steal their ore. Regarding the wandering drones, we are working on the issue and the help we have had from many players who have been reporting the NPC behaviour patterns has been greatly appreciated.

Brisk Legeon	Posted - 2007.06.25 00:10:00 - [960] 4. I went on ratting. Something is really messed up with drones. I triggered a spawn while mining. It was 3 cruiser 2 frigates. So i warped away to another belt. Drones kept shooting me while I was warping, 1AU, 2AU, etc. they were still in my overview. When I came out of warp into another belt, they still were in my overview at something like 15AU away and kept shooting me and causing damage from ANOTHER BELT! I took screenshots if some of the developers want to see, willing to email it.
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.25 02:49:00 - [961] Originally by: CCP Chronotis I cannot comment on the 'distance' issues as that is not my area as I am no programmer, but sounds like it would not be exclusive to rogue drones in my opinion despite their recent tenacity to wander of from asteroid belts and only return when someone tries to steal their ore. Regarding the wandering drones, we are working on the issue and the help we have had from many players who have been reporting the NPC behaviour patterns has been greatly appreciated. His problems are client bugs I've experienced before. Fixed by relogging. I'm glad to see that a fix for the spawning of the drones is being worked on.
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.25 05:37:00 - [962] Yes. grat to see that is working on the bug. just would be good to know if u had something found alredy, because "working on" say not much. on the roids is "working on" since 8 months. An anoter bug is that if i warp into an asteroid belt to 0km, the closest roid is over 90km from me
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.25 05:53:00 - [963] I dunno, found some Ark, and am proceeding to mine it, without the tyrannical oppression of the Rogue Drones. Progress is smooth, with the only delays being the time it takes to haul our ore to refine it. Found my upside, and TBH, mining is fine for me now, with giant Ark roids, so bugger the rest ATM. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.25 06:07:00 - [964] It's somewhat amusing that problems with mission running not giving reputation was fixed in a day yet it's been almost a week of broken drone rat spawns and forever we wait.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.25 07:36:00 - [965] Exactlly - and thats main problem we r geting here - time is not on our side! We need to all get reinversed for broken game play!
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.25 08:30:00 - [966] Originally by: Cruel Fox Exactlly - and thats main problem we r geting here - time is not on our side! We need to all get reinversed for broken game play! A week without being able to do jack **, wtf CCP. If **in delve rats were borked it would have been fixed 6 hours after patch, but since its the drone regions we get to wait weeks on end. If fixing the rats takes so damn long make temporary fix so people can still play. Like increase the amount of enounters, and increase thier spawn rate (wait they dont respawn here, ok then give them a respawn rate). Something, anything to help CCP. Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Alerce	Posted - 2007.06.25 10:32:00 - [967] Its not just the rats, even the roids are not growing in certian belts and keep very very small.

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.06.25 11:24:00 - [968] I'm reloacting the new region asteroids as we speak (And as I finished writing it the script completed). They will be closer to the warp-in point, they will be closer to each other, they will be scanner friendly and the high end ones will still contain more ore units on average than before Revelations 2. However, this is all done through a randomm seeder so there is no way for me to promise this for each and every belt, such is the nature of randomness. We also believe that the reason the spawns stopped was due to distance from the warp-in point to the first asteroid. If that is the case your rat spawns should be back aswell and we can all blame me for all these post Rev2 issues (Please direct all hatemail to Tux, he's used to that).

ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.25 11:29:00 - [969] Edited by: ghosttr on 25/06/2007 11:31:37 Edited by: ghosttr on 25/06/2007 11:31:00 Originally by: CCP Prism X I'm reloacting the new region asteroids as we speak (And as I finished writing it the script completed). They will be closer to the warp-in point, they will be closer to each other, they will be scanner friendly and the high end ones will still contain more ore units on average than before Revelations 2. However, this is all done through a randomm seeder so there is no way for me to promise this for each and every belt, such is the nature of randomness. We also believe that the reason the spawns stopped was due to distance from the warp-in point to the first asteroid. If that is the case your rat spawns should be back aswell and we can all blame me for all these post Rev2 issues (Please direct all hatemail to Tux, he's used to that). What about the encounter sites then They dont seem to be respawning either, and there arent too many of them, there were maybe 1-2 per constellation after patch deployment. And now they are almost impossible to find, unless you stubmble a system which people have neglected to scan (systems like this are becoming fewer and fewer every day) Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.25 12:23:00 - [970] Erm - low ends still not minable!!! And u lowered high end amounts roids by 400%!!!
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.25 12:27:00 - [971] err, roid points are closer to each other now yeah .. but um, where did the bulk of the ore contents go? Just doing scans here and, well, I'm seeing pre patch ore volumes ... Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Gaunty Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.25 12:33:00 - [972] If i didn't live out here i would probably find this comical. But as it is its depressing. I think CCP just wants to torture us to satisfy their dark side.

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.06.25 12:40:00 - [973] Perhaps they've been mined away faster than the respawn rate? At any rate I didn't touch their quantities from the Revelations 2 update. They respawn at the same rate as all non-empire asteroids belts. They were all seeded at max quantity which is, on average, comparable to similar regions so the fact that they are no longer at max (which hardly any high-end roid in the world is) might be skewing your perspective. It's quite easy for me to correlate these numbers from the DB but I can't give them to you. If you have any suspicions that a certain solar system has been screwed I can look at it (although I'll probably not reply here for every belt you mention if it doesn't bring anything new to the table) but, as I mentioned earlier, I'm certain some systems are screwed and that is working as intended as the systems should vary and if one is screwed some other system has gained from it. As to the exploration, I can't comment on it. I just dont know.

Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.25 12:47:00 - [974] Originally by: CCP Prism X I'm certain some systems are screwed and that is working as intended Oh man :-) Sorry, I just had to quote that :P In the light of all this that made me choke on my drink here :P Serious now :P Maybe I had misunderstood your previous post, I presumed it contained a reseeding, if it didn't then we'll have to wait until the next respawn for feasible checking of volumes on site, as yes, if the volumes are current and as they were yesterday, then it is no wonder there is no ore to be found. We'll try and find out when the respawn time is this week for the roids. Look, if you need to check on site, you're welcome. We know this forum isn't an internal tracker for CCP :P Still, cheers, I know it is one hell of a situation here, so the care is appreciated. Exploration btw, is even more messed up then mining ever was, but it seems many problems of it are not restricted to the new regions. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Bubble Jet	Posted - 2007.06.25 14:48:00 - [975] So..its after downtime on Monday, and the spawns are still not fixed. Empty belt after empty belt.
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.25 14:55:00 - [976] Originally by: Bubble Jet So..its after downtime on Monday, and the spawns are still not fixed. Empty belt after empty belt. Just fine for me.

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.06.25 15:21:00 - [977] Originally by: Bubble Jet So..its after downtime on Monday, and the spawns are still not fixed. Empty belt after empty belt. You currently are not, and have not been today, in the new regions. But on subject people have not told me anything other than 'Yay! Spawns be back!' all day so I'm quite certain the general consensus is they be fixed. Thanks for bringing this back to the first page though, kinda missed my old friend.

Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.25 15:38:00 - [978] They are back as far as I can see. (And I like the new look of the belts.) Thank you! ------------------ "If you ever need anything please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.25 15:49:00 - [979] Edited by: ghosttr on 25/06/2007 15:48:04 Originally by: CCP Prism X You currently are not, and have not been today, in the new regions. But on subject people have not told me anything other than 'Yay! Spawns be back!' all day so I'm quite certain the general consensus is they be fixed. Thanks for bringing this back to the first page though, kinda missed my old friend. Just spotted you in ngm Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Bubble Jet	Posted - 2007.06.25 16:02:00 - [980] Originally by: CCP Prism X Originally by: Bubble Jet So..its after downtime on Monday, and the spawns are still not fixed. Empty belt after empty belt. You currently are not, and have not been today, in the new regions. But on subject people have not told me anything other than 'Yay! Spawns be back!' all day so I'm quite certain the general consensus is they be fixed. Thanks for bringing this back to the first page though, kinda missed my old friend. Its a good thing I have alts. ;) Thanks for letting me know how easy it is for CCP employees to track players at their whim, though! After going through all the belts in a system and seeing no rats, got one to spawn after cloaking and decloaking (thats a feature, right?).
Kwint Sommer	Posted - 2007.06.25 16:47:00 - [981] Originally by: Bubble Jet Thanks for letting me know how easy it is for CCP employees to track players at their whim, though! I wouldn't read too much into it. It's possible that he just has access to when players have logged on and can see their current position (which any player can do if they are on good terms with the right agent). Something to the affect of, "oh, he's been on for a total of 15 minutes and he's 40 jumps from the area in question." Or maybe they really do track our every movement and the devs can review it on a whim. I hope not but who knows.
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.25 17:13:00 - [982] There are logs. Of course they can review them and know where you are and where you have been. ------------------ "If you ever need anything please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.06.25 17:23:00 - [983] Or maybe I'm in your neighbours tree, wielding a scoped intsrument of some sorts, carefuly watching you? Let the tinfoilery ensue!

Bubble Jet	Posted - 2007.06.25 17:27:00 - [984] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Originally by: Bubble Jet Thanks for letting me know how easy it is for CCP employees to track players at their whim, though! I wouldn't read too much into it. It's possible that he just has access to when players have logged on and can see their current position (which any player can do if they are on good terms with the right agent). Something to the affect of, "oh, he's been on for a total of 15 minutes and he's 40 jumps from the area in question." Or maybe they really do track our every movement and the devs can review it on a whim. I hope not but who knows. My issue is that I felt my privacy has been violated when I read that. Which is why I post with an alt because I had suspicions. Yeah, agents can track where you are right at that moment. But he said that I hadn't been in the drone regions at any time today. Thats not something any player can do. And the fact that it can be done on a whim in regards to a frustrated forum post, alarmed me even more. It obviously makes sense as far as petitions and other issues go, but with a small amount of imagination and a look at CCP employees past abuse you can draw conclusions easily. But of course, the excuse will be they were going to check the solar system I was in for bugged spawns but found I wasn't in the drone regions (apparently it also shows where I've been for the past 24 hours at the same time ). And to keep this post on topic, there are still numerous complaints of lack of drones, significant in comparison to the rest of 0.0.
Scorched Evil The Silent Rage R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.25 18:26:00 - [985] can we get back to ****ing and moaning about the drone regions and forget your privacy invasion crap? CYVOK > All you station jockies better get out their and start killing these idiots
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.25 18:37:00 - [986] Maybe just for me, but the drones seems to be fixed. im chaining rats since 15:00 GT and it works fine. they respawn and the belts have drones.
Ghosthound	Posted - 2007.06.25 21:25:00 - [987] Not sure all belts in all systems got fixed. It seems some belts still have no resps at all. But not sure, need to check that... Maybe it just looks this way after a few days of isk starvation.... Anyway, lets go back to general topic, whats going to be fixed in encounters and commander drone's loot? What about explor sites? What about elite drones in the belts like elite mobs in all other regions? And the main question when all this going to be fixed? Is there any work in progress that concerns mentioned problems?
Metaller Ocean Dynamics Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.25 22:02:00 - [988] Edited by: Metaller on 25/06/2007 22:02:41 Originally by: CCP LeMousse The value of what may drop through salvaging a Rogue Drone commander is on par with the total value of what is dropped by other faction's commanders. i just killed my second rogue drone commander: Sentient Patriarch Alvus wreck empty as usual. I salvaged: 1. 3 artificial neural networks 2. 6 drone transciever ok number one goes for 500k in sinq laison. number 2 goes for 1.9mil. -> my mathematics skill says me that makes 12.9 mil isk. ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? how is this "on par" with other faction ships? thats about the bounty other faction bs have, but not including the loot they drop. THIS needs to be changed ASAP!!!!!
Lamis	Posted - 2007.06.26 00:42:00 - [989] Did you find it ratting, or in a complex, out of curiosity?
jonus Rath Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.26 01:52:00 - [990] I found similar in an encounter. Got the same result. No loot just some crappy rig components. Took about 4 hours to find the place and finish it. That makes roughly 3 mill an hour. And this is the best income source in the region atm for ratters. CCP probably you should have 40 thousand online players as new record instead of thirtysomething if you wouldnt keep this region in low priority for more than half years. Do you have any idea how many people did quit the game because they were tired of your promises? I alone know many of them. Good, enthusiastic players, totally dedicated to the EVE world. They believed in you when promised us 6 months ago that our bugs will be fixed soon. Their patience is over and ours is getting out of our hand as well.. But it's not my job, you are the pro. Maybe you do this in purpose. You know better than me. Want to kick out of our space and take over? Say so it will be much easier for both of us! Some of you doesn't even know what are you talking about! It is intended that the commander gives us 12 mil rig componens? It pairs up with other regions?? How much is a faction tower blueprint + bounty + rig component?? That is 12 Mill? Please tell me where is that so i can go there and buy them? In Jovean space probably? I'm sorry to say this but I see nothing but lies all around this place. When the bug first was reported that our asteroids were broken.. it took one month or more when you aknowledged it! Guess what.. after 4 months a GM came to our solar system and asked us what is our problem was with our roids. He had no idea!!! We showed him and he seemed to understand. That was 3 months ago. It took 8 months from the bug report until the fix in rev2.. Yeah you fixed it allright, so now we can have some income. Nerfed the alloys, the rats are disappeared, our famous commander loots doesn't give us s*t, the exploration sites (only complexes) harder to find than ever because of the worthless encounters have unknown signal "accidentally". Do you want me to continue? I guess there is no use because Noone gives a **! Go on, do what you do, give lvl 5 agents for the rich regions, make their archeology/hacking/gas cloud sites easier to find. Watch us die and laugh, I hope you entertained.
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.26 05:55:00 - [991] Originally by: CCP Prism X Or maybe I'm in your neighbours tree, wielding a scoped intsrument of some sorts, carefuly watching you? Let the tinfoilery ensue! Hah! Jokes on you! The closest thing to a tree my neighbor has is poison ivy. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips IT WAS ME, MUHAHAHA. -Hango How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Hammer Judge Southern Cross Incorporated Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.26 05:56:00 - [992] Thanks for your work, CCP. I'll check my regions tonight. - Visit my newbie guide for experienced MMO gamers.
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.26 06:38:00 - [993] In exploration sites could be some faction or officer loot :( at least with some % finding chance I still dont understood fully, why drones cant have some mods inside. I know drones reprocess and convert to alloys, but they reprocess atm? they could have some mods randomly in cargo waiting for reprocess, what for example they could get from other races after they region is not cutted from the common world anymore....
BigWhale Gallente Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.26 07:47:00 - [994] Originally by: CCP Prism X However, this is all done through a randomm seeder so there is no way for me to promise this for each and every belt, such is the nature of randomness. I was survey scanning our system just now. Veldspar is ranging from 30.000 units per asteroid to 90.000 units. Before Rev2, Veldspar was present in amouns up to 130.000-150.000 units per rock. Crockite, Bistot, Dark Orche, they now range from fre thousand units up to 9000 units per rock. Which is much better than previous 800 or so per rock. Now, to sum it up, if I understand what you're saying. There is a random, but fixed amount of ore in every belt. X<sub>ore</sub> which is random for every system, but defines the total amount of ore units present in the system. Then you have for example X<subVeld</sub> and X<sub>Crok</sub> which defines the percentage of ore distribution. Then you play with ore specific variables to set the amount of specific ore, but never to get over the X<sub>ore</sub> limit? OR You just set the percentage (or maximum) of specific ore in a belt and you get semi-random number of rocks with semi-random number of ore per rock? OR (I'm making these along the way, since I would really like to know how you do things. :) ) You can set the 'randomness' of rocks, the amount of ore in them and the type of ore? In any case. It would be much appreciated if you can tweak your parameters in the way so that most of the rocks will contain enough ore to mine them with a Hulk for at least 10 cycles... ;) Which means at least 1.400.000 units for Veldspar ;) -- R, U, Y are letters...
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:22:00 - [995] Will we ever get better exploration sites than the crappy ones we have now? Only unknown and gravimetric sites atm... And if so, what is the timeline? We waited a very long time for the fixes to roids, but exploration is still pretty borked compared to all other regions. Half the explorers in my corp keep running off elsewhere since they can't find anything decent around the drone regions... ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.26 11:37:00 - [996] Well im happy the rats & roida are finally fixed. But we have heard absolutely nothing about exploration. We were to get some exploration lovin from CCP in rev2, but the drone regions are still lacking any boost to exploration. And ther ehas been absolutely no dev communication on this isseu Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.26 11:39:00 - [997] what is the current status in the new regions?
Bonny Lee Caldari God's Army Corp OPUS Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.26 11:59:00 - [998] Originally by: jonus Rath I found similar in an encounter. Got the same result. No loot just some crappy rig components. Took about 4 hours to find the place and finish it. That makes roughly 3 mill an hour. And this is the best income source in the region atm for ratters. CCP probably you should have 40 thousand online players as new record instead of thirtysomething if you wouldnt keep this region in low priority for more than half years. Do you have any idea how many people did quit the game because they were tired of your promises? I alone know many of them. Good, enthusiastic players, totally dedicated to the EVE world. They believed in you when promised us 6 months ago that our bugs will be fixed soon. Their patience is over and ours is getting out of our hand as well.. But it's not my job, you are the pro. Maybe you do this in purpose. You know better than me. Want to kick out of our space and take over? Say so it will be much easier for both of us! Some of you doesn't even know what are you talking about! It is intended that the commander gives us 12 mil rig componens? It pairs up with other regions?? How much is a faction tower blueprint + bounty + rig component?? That is 12 Mill? Please tell me where is that so i can go there and buy them? In Jovean space probably? I'm sorry to say this but I see nothing but lies all around this place. When the bug first was reported that our asteroids were broken.. it took one month or more when you aknowledged it! Guess what.. after 4 months a GM came to our solar system and asked us what is our problem was with our roids. He had no idea!!! We showed him and he seemed to understand. That was 3 months ago. It took 8 months from the bug report until the fix in rev2.. Yeah you fixed it allright, so now we can have some income. Nerfed the alloys, the rats are disappeared, our famous commander loots doesn't give us s*t, the exploration sites (only complexes) harder to find than ever because of the worthless encounters have unknown signal "accidentally". Do you want me to continue? I guess there is no use because Noone gives a **! Go on, do what you do, give lvl 5 agents for the rich regions, make their archeology/hacking/gas cloud sites easier to find. Watch us die and laugh, I hope you entertained. Thats exactly what i think too.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.26 12:56:00 - [999] Originally by: jonus Rath I found similar in an encounter. Got the same result. No loot just some crappy rig components. Took about 4 hours to find the place and finish it. That makes roughly 3 mill an hour. And this is the best income source in the region atm for ratters. CCP probably you should have 40 thousand online players as new record instead of thirtysomething if you wouldnt keep this region in low priority for more than half years. Do you have any idea how many people did quit the game because they were tired of your promises? I alone know many of them. Good, enthusiastic players, totally dedicated to the EVE world. They believed in you when promised us 6 months ago that our bugs will be fixed soon. Their patience is over and ours is getting out of our hand as well.. But it's not my job, you are the pro. Maybe you do this in purpose. You know better than me. Want to kick out of our space and take over? Say so it will be much easier for both of us! Some of you doesn't even know what are you talking about! It is intended that the commander gives us 12 mil rig componens? It pairs up with other regions?? How much is a faction tower blueprint + bounty + rig component?? That is 12 Mill? Please tell me where is that so i can go there and buy them? In Jovean space probably? I'm sorry to say this but I see nothing but lies all around this place. When the bug first was reported that our asteroids were broken.. it took one month or more when you aknowledged it! Guess what.. after 4 months a GM came to our solar system and asked us what is our problem was with our roids. He had no idea!!! We showed him and he seemed to understand. That was 3 months ago. It took 8 months from the bug report until the fix in rev2.. Yeah you fixed it allright, so now we can have some income. Nerfed the alloys, the rats are disappeared, our famous commander loots doesn't give us s*t, the exploration sites (only complexes) harder to find than ever because of the worthless encounters have unknown signal "accidentally". Do you want me to continue? I guess there is no use because Noone gives a **! Go on, do what you do, give lvl 5 agents for the rich regions, make their archeology/hacking/gas cloud sites easier to find. Watch us die and laugh, I hope you entertained. Can you please reformat the great wall of text, it hurts my eyes Critical hits boost Amarr damage
Commander BlackJack Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.26 14:00:00 - [1000] Originally by: jonus Rath I found similar in an encounter. Got the same result. No loot just some crappy rig components. Took about 4 hours to find the place and finish it. That makes roughly 3 mill an hour. And this is the best income source in the region atm for ratters. CCP probably you should have 40 thousand online players as new record instead of thirtysomething if you wouldnt keep this region in low priority for more than half years. Do you have any idea how many people did quit the game because they were tired of your promises? I alone know many of them. Good, enthusiastic players, totally dedicated to the EVE world. They believed in you when promised us 6 months ago that our bugs will be fixed soon. Their patience is over and ours is getting out of our hand as well.. But it's not my job, you are the pro. Maybe you do this in purpose. You know better than me. Want to kick out of our space and take over? Say so it will be much easier for both of us! Some of you doesn't even know what are you talking about! It is intended that the commander gives us 12 mil rig componens? It pairs up with other regions?? How much is a faction tower blueprint + bounty + rig component?? That is 12 Mill? Please tell me where is that so i can go there and buy them? In Jovean space probably? I'm sorry to say this but I see nothing but lies all around this place. When the bug first was reported that our asteroids were broken.. it took one month or more when you aknowledged it! Guess what.. after 4 months a GM came to our solar system and asked us what is our problem was with our roids. He had no idea!!! We showed him and he seemed to understand. That was 3 months ago. It took 8 months from the bug report until the fix in rev2.. Yeah you fixed it allright, so now we can have some income. Nerfed the alloys, the rats are disappeared, our famous commander loots doesn't give us s*t, the exploration sites (only complexes) harder to find than ever because of the worthless encounters have unknown signal "accidentally". Do you want me to continue? I guess there is no use because Noone gives a **! Go on, do what you do, give lvl 5 agents for the rich regions, make their archeology/hacking/gas cloud sites easier to find. Watch us die and laugh, I hope you entertained. I fully agree with you.
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.26 14:09:00 - [1001] Originally by: jonus Rath I found similar in an encounter. Got the same result. No loot just some crappy rig components. Took about 4 hours to find the place and finish it. That makes roughly 3 mill an hour. And this is the best income source in the region atm for ratters. CCP probably you should have 40 thousand online players as new record instead of thirtysomething if you wouldnt keep this region in low priority for more than half years. Do you have any idea how many people did quit the game because they were tired of your promises? I alone know many of them. Good, enthusiastic players, totally dedicated to the EVE world. They believed in you when promised us 6 months ago that our bugs will be fixed soon. Their patience is over and ours is getting out of our hand as well.. But it's not my job, you are the pro. Maybe you do this in purpose. You know better than me. Want to kick out of our space and take over? Say so it will be much easier for both of us! Some of you doesn't even know what are you talking about! It is intended that the commander gives us 12 mil rig componens? It pairs up with other regions?? How much is a faction tower blueprint + bounty + rig component?? That is 12 Mill? Please tell me where is that so i can go there and buy them? In Jovean space probably? I'm sorry to say this but I see nothing but lies all around this place. When the bug first was reported that our asteroids were broken.. it took one month or more when you aknowledged it! Guess what.. after 4 months a GM came to our solar system and asked us what is our problem was with our roids. He had no idea!!! We showed him and he seemed to understand. That was 3 months ago. It took 8 months from the bug report until the fix in rev2.. Yeah you fixed it allright, so now we can have some income. Nerfed the alloys, the rats are disappeared, our famous commander loots doesn't give us s*t, the exploration sites (only complexes) harder to find than ever because of the worthless encounters have unknown signal "accidentally". Do you want me to continue? I guess there is no use because Noone gives a *! Go on, do what you do, give lvl 5 agents for the rich regions, make their archeology/hacking/gas cloud sites easier to find. Watch us die and laugh, I hope you entertained. Please yes, for every paragraph TomB saves a kitten. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug

CCP LeMousse	Posted - 2007.06.26 14:51:00 - [1002] Originally by: Metaller Edited by: Metaller on 25/06/2007 22:10:53 Edited by: Metaller on 25/06/2007 22:02:41 Originally by: CCP LeMousse The value of what may drop through salvaging a Rogue Drone commander is on par with the total value of what is dropped by other faction's commanders. i just killed my second rogue drone commander: Sentient Patriarch Alvus wreck empty as usual. I salvaged: 1. 3 artificial neural networks 2. 6 drone transciever ok number one goes for 500k in sinq laison. number 2 goes for 1.9mil. -> my mathematics skill says me that makes 12.9 mil isk. ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? how is this "on par" with other faction ships? thats about the bounty other faction bs have, but not including the loot they drop. And as far as i know you can salvage t2 rig parts from them too! THIS needs to be changed ASAP!!!!! Just like with any commander entity, there is a percentage chance of it dropping each item and quantity, and that may vary greatly. Not every commander spawn drops faction loot, and in the same vein, not every Rogue Drone Commander will drop the most valuable salvage components or in huge quantities. The total possible value of a drop through salvaging is on par with what other commanders drop. Again, Rogue Drone Commanders will be getting loot drops in addition to the salvaging in the near future.

XLR Eight	Posted - 2007.06.26 15:14:00 - [1003] Edited by: XLR Eight on 26/06/2007 15:15:36 Yet another "wait, continue to pay your suvscription, we will fix it sometimes and at the matter of fact, there is nothing wrong with your region" kind of post. And forget about your other bugs and problems you reported, those are just so annoying to fix and respond to. Well thank you, we now have fuel for our warmachine! We now know that it will be fixed by christmas or with the Kali patch. But if not, at least we could walk in our stations. Edit: sorry, I meant to post this with my main: jonus Rath [ka-tet]
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.26 15:15:00 - [1004] I've taken out quite a few bunches of commanders since the patch, but, well, I haven't see such high rewards drop from one as Metallier ... I can understand the chance argument, in regards to valued drops from npc commanders, relative from one region to others and racial types. Thusfar however I have not seen commanders in the drone regions outside of Encounter sites (you know, those unknown thingies which you can only differentiate from escalating paths after extreme high costs but which take a few hours to work through for essentially a drop which rewards less then what the whole venture took in the first place), in contrast to thingies like Domination Angels in the belts in other regions, or the nice and predictable Hakim in yet other places. It will help dramatically if we find out WHAT will drop and WHEN, becuase until that time this is subject to the trend of the past 8 months, of complete uncertainty and great frustration, while thusfar every new regions resource type is directly subject to empire economies. A centus hardener dropping has two values: ISK, and usage. There's nothing like that here, nor is there any perspective on something like that. I understand there will be, something, but what. And when. Please do not misunderstand me, but where it comes to eve competition in 0.0 the drone region folks have already lost the race. Just look at all the new ISK sinks and the impossibilities of local production. People may not like it, but whatever the original design was for the new regions, it has failed. Instead, there is no plan visible at all. Other then giving people the impression that it is a ghetto. Everything is possible in eve, but I do think this is one perspective which goes so far in human aspects it should not be translated into game design. As I said before, it's good - oh so good after all this time - to see staff working, after 8 months visibly working, on the resource distribution & allocation topics. Post Rev II it is very reassuring to see staff on the case when ice belts, all roid belts, or spawns disappear and get working on a solution. But, it does appear that the structural elements in this whole situation are completely bypassed, perhaps everyone is so deep into it that folks can't see the rest of the universe and all its variables and influences anymore. Every region competes, for resources, for time factors, for fun. Every region lacks one little thing which through manpower can be compensated for on site. Only some regions are more valuable because of cosmos and agent locations, the bulk is on par with each other, enabling players to compete with each other internally in economical and local sense, and on the larger scale of 0.0. The drone regions however have suffered an extreme setback in any and all arms races designed for 0.0, trust me on this: you have no idea how extreme. At the same time the drone regions have lost the underlying design for the regions for game evolution. And, they have become a region fully subject to empire price drives (so what happens with the math when missions start giving out T2 rig components through 30-40 minute missions, whereas the rogue region encounter sites take a few hours - to give one example). Let's also not forget that because for such a long time there jsut wasn't anything in the drone regions, development on site has cost up to 3 times as much as anywhere else in EVE, and while that is getting better .. it stil takes 2 to 3 times as long to make the same ISK value described as being on par with same types in other regions. I'm sorry, I really am. I thoroughly value the effort currently being waged by staff in getting on top of things, but the players are still hanging by a thread in a race they have already lost while dabbling in the dark on "what, where, when". Plus, there's no big plan anymore for the drone regions, and the structural issues of time, risk, competition are bypassed. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.26 16:08:00 - [1005] I appreciate that the Commander's loot is random. So far I've heard only of salvage components from Commanders. Has ANYONE gotten ANYTHING other than salvage from a Commander yet? That would be a good indication that the chance based table is working. CCP: We certainly do appreciate the attention we are now getting. We also understand that it is a process of discovery to balance things out. The frustration you are seeing is the result of 8 months of inaction or denial. /Rant On: maybee CCP should FORCE the Bob Devs to run a corp in the Drone regions for a month, and not play their other accounts. I'm sure everything would be fixed well before the month expires. And we could also have FAIR fights against Bob during the same month. /Rant Off:
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.26 18:04:00 - [1006] /me taps foot waiting for Exploration updates as well as NPC loot drop updates.
Ghosthound	Posted - 2007.06.27 04:55:00 - [1007] bump.
Stellar Vix State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.27 05:29:00 - [1008] how about letting the drones infect more various other ships as well? At least the vexor or malus or somethin. Heck even iterons can be drone carriers of sorts. Then you can have the infested ships drop modulues at a lower rate (since they might canabalize it)and a mix in with alloys. If drones are also smart they should also be able to make a unique battleship sized answer of their own, instead of stealing the gallente dominix all the time. Some giant octopus/claw monster with a big glowing red eye would be threatening enough. Also drone sizes? Why does the cruiser/battlecruiser sized drones are still smaller than frigates? cant they get some decent size to look opposing and worthy of the classified size at least, I dont care if they are slightly smaller. Also drone modules? since drones have no regard for certain aspects of ships when they take them over should the drone modified mods suck at one thing but over excell at another? ========= 400x120 13kbs... SWA Qualified Instructor and Mascot or sorts Ensign Stellar Vix
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.06.27 08:46:00 - [1009] Right I managed to find a commander spawn in a drone Complex (found by probing) gues what he dropped? SWEET F ALL .. AGAIN! also the respawn rates for the drone rats in belts is a joke!! I find more rats on the gates then I do in the belts, doesnt this strike you as being a little bit .. BROKEN. tbh I think CCP will give us walking in stations and tech 3 before they fix the drone regions... same story as drones that have been borked since many years and are still borked even though we have gotten great "gifts" like heat and a overview that was designed for senior citisens with poor eyesight. Originally by: Rawne Karrde PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.27 12:50:00 - [1010] donno why, but up :)
Lamis	Posted - 2007.06.27 18:57:00 - [1011] There are at lest drones in the belts. I noticed that some of the respawn rates are off, though. Some complexes would be nice hint, hint
Ghosthound	Posted - 2007.06.28 06:51:00 - [1012] Dear CCP, would you be so kind to acknowledge our existence? Yes, we are still there in Drone Regions and still waiting for your replies. Because after months of expectation "near future" is just not enough.....
Nimitz Alexander Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.28 06:54:00 - [1013] drone commaders have officer quality salvage... ie t2 it can be worth lots...
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.28 07:13:00 - [1014] Originally by: Nimitz Alexander drone commaders have officer quality salvage... ie t2 it can be worth lots... Ok, let's make a deal. I kill a drone commander, and you kill a faction rat of some sort. I'll trade you those T2 components, for the bounty, loot, and salvage off the faction rat. Hmm, saying we have great salvage, when EVERY OTHER faction rat can have the same, AND valuable other mods and prints? Even if your rat only gets tags and ammo, I'd still trade: that bounty is nice. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips IT WAS ME, MUHAHAHA. -Hango How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Zahav	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:54:00 - [1015] Ok, CCP, you answered and tried to fix some bugs. Well, made some work on spawns and roids, but..... GHODDARN WHERE IS ANY RESPONSE ON EXPLORATION PROBLEMS??????????????? I JUST START SHOUTING BECAUSE IT SEEMS YOU JUST DON'T HEAR NORMAL VOICE. YOU EVEN DON'T SAY: "YOUR REGIONS ARE SO CRAPPY THEY DON'T HAVE HACK, ARCHE AN SALVO SITES" I'm just tired of waiting. Many of us spent more than a mounth training scanprobes, and then you spit in our face not giving us a chance to use them.....
Ghosthound	Posted - 2007.07.02 05:56:00 - [1016] bump.
Gormn	Posted - 2007.07.03 00:20:00 - [1017] Bump
BigWhale Gallente Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.03 07:25:00 - [1018] So there is no word about drone regions in the patch notes? -- R, U, Y are letters...
Rusty PwnStar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.03 09:29:00 - [1019] At the end of the day, it all boils down to the time/fun/reward factor. At the moment, drone regions take all your time, offer little in reward and are no fun. Hence the reason why so many in this thread, are angry and upset. Now it maybe different departments, but when we see New features, such as heat in the new patch, but still no sign of getting any equality in our regions, it upsets and angers people more. These regions where empty and with infrastructure, until we populated them and built outposts, believing in the dream CCP had. Well as we now know, that dream was infact a nightmare, and it's been ongoing now for months. We all love the game, that's the main reason many have stuck it out for so long, but there comes a time when everyone breaks. The time is now upon many of us. Please CCP, you must understand, this needs fixing, it needs fixing now. Not in 6, 7 or 8 months time but now. Is there anyone in CCP that understands, anyone at all?
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.07.03 09:41:00 - [1020] Originally by: Rusty PwnStar At the end of the day, it all boils down to the time/fun/reward factor. At the moment, drone regions take all your time, offer little in reward and are no fun. Hence the reason why so many in this thread, are angry and upset. Now it maybe different departments, but when we see New features, such as heat in the new patch, but still no sign of getting any equality in our regions, it upsets and angers people more. These regions where empty and with infrastructure, until we populated them and built outposts, believing in the dream CCP had. Well as we now know, that dream was infact a nightmare, and it's been ongoing now for months. We all love the game, that's the main reason many have stuck it out for so long, but there comes a time when everyone breaks. The time is now upon many of us. Please CCP, you must understand, this needs fixing, it needs fixing now. Not in 6, 7 or 8 months time but now. Is there anyone in CCP that understands, anyone at all? Yes pleez!! CCP will you only fix the drone regions when you have a few hundred picketing protesters outside your office in Iceland? Originally by: Rawne Karrde PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
Quix Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.03 10:03:00 - [1021] Edited by: Quix on 03/07/2007 10:02:59 Originally by: Rusty PwnStar At the end of the day, it all boils down to the time/fun/reward factor. At the moment, drone regions take all your time, offer little in reward and are no fun. Hence the reason why so many in this thread, are angry and upset. Now it maybe different departments, but when we see New features, such as heat in the new patch, but still no sign of getting any equality in our regions, it upsets and angers people more. These regions where empty and without infrastructure, until we populated them and built outposts, believing in the dream CCP had. Well as we now know, that dream was infact a nightmare, and it's been ongoing now for months. We all love the game, that's the main reason many have stuck it out for so long, but there comes a time when everyone breaks. The time is now upon many of us. Please CCP, you must understand, this needs fixing, it needs fixing now. Not in 6, 7 or 8 months time but now. Is there anyone in CCP that understands, anyone at all? Indeed.
Orlando Gardner Amarr The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.03 10:45:00 - [1022] bump
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.07.03 10:59:00 - [1023] If the server was up, I could whine ingame, but since it's not... BUMP. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips IT WAS ME, MUHAHAHA. -Hango How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn always fashionably late - Deckard
Jin Steele Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.03 12:22:00 - [1024] patch notes don say anything about fixing the new regions... problems still occuring: little to no exploration sites (only ones are 2 different kinds of complexes and rare asteroid belts, i scanned 20 systems and found no results) NO expeditions spawning no commander spawns in belts no loot from commander spawns you fixed asteroid belts, but that took 6 months. are we to expect this for the rest of the bugs? _________________________________________________________
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:33:00 - [1025] <beating dead horse to death again> CCP, we (about 5000 of us, if you count alliance member counts) are still waiting for a timeline and explanation as to when we can expect : 1) Exploration to be fixed - I have been scanning systems myself and find what everyone else finds, exactly zilch ! 2) Loot drops from salvage in line with other regions There are the usual smaller issues I'm not even going to waste time itemizing again, I have posts from before as do other players that echo the same exact things (so there isn't fabrication of the story, you know.....) </beating dead horse to death again> It goes beyond comprehension that this thread is 1000 replies long, and has the highest visibility of any thread in this entire sub-forums and therefore read by quite a few people, yet ranks the lowest in terms of priority to getting addressed, over issues that are so clearly busted my non-game-playing wife can even understand why I get ****ed..... Just stop the excuses, address the players like the paying public we are, and let's move on. /signed
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:59:00 - [1026] /signed BUT... CCP aint listening people.... 34 pages should tell you that. Maybe if we buy enugh episodes of EVETV, things will change ----------------------------------------------- "CCP can't reply to Lag issues; our offices are currently experienceing desynch/lag issues. we are working on the problem."
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:06:00 - [1027] Originally by: Jin Steele patch notes don say anything about fixing the new regions... problems still occuring: little to no exploration sites (only ones are 2 different kinds of complexes and rare asteroid belts, i scanned 20 systems and found no results) NO expeditions spawning no commander spawns in belts no loot from commander spawns you fixed asteroid belts, but that took 6 months. are we to expect this for the rest of the bugs? NotSoonÖ . Do not read this thread!!!
Clorthos Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:07:00 - [1028] I signed this on page one, and while some fixes are done and in place, others need to be done as well.
Gralg Merglen Minmatar Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:07:00 - [1029] they'll probably only fix the regions when bob decide they need more space Originally by: Graalum I can also confirm that the guristas pirates have a titan. We tried to kill it but unfortunately it mwded away at 5k/second and smacked us in local.
jonus Rath Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:11:00 - [1030] Originally by: Sinder Ohm Originally by: Rusty PwnStar At the end of the day, it all boils down to the time/fun/reward factor. At the moment, drone regions take all your time, offer little in reward and are no fun. Hence the reason why so many in this thread, are angry and upset. Now it maybe different departments, but when we see New features, such as heat in the new patch, but still no sign of getting any equality in our regions, it upsets and angers people more. These regions where empty and with infrastructure, until we populated them and built outposts, believing in the dream CCP had. Well as we now know, that dream was infact a nightmare, and it's been ongoing now for months. We all love the game, that's the main reason many have stuck it out for so long, but there comes a time when everyone breaks. The time is now upon many of us. Please CCP, you must understand, this needs fixing, it needs fixing now. Not in 6, 7 or 8 months time but now. Is there anyone in CCP that understands, anyone at all? Yes pleez!! CCP will you only fix the drone regions when you have a few hundred picketing protesters outside your office in Iceland? Let's go to the fanfest and protest there it won't be fixed by then anyway. We should drink up all of their alcohol supplies that should open their eyes.
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:33:00 - [1031] Originally by: Gralg Merglen they'll probably only fix the regions when bob decide they need more space WIN, ROFL ----------------------------------------------- "CCP can't reply to Lag issues; our offices are currently experienceing desynch/lag issues. we are working on the problem."
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.03 15:13:00 - [1032] Bump. CCP, the asteroids seem to be better, and many thanks for that. (I must be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome - thanking my captors for not beating me so much.) Exploration is still broken. It did get different, but it is still very poor in relation to...oh...The Rest Of Eve?
Brisk Legeon	Posted - 2007.07.03 16:36:00 - [1033] I have to add that exploration still seems to be broken in the drone region. It's infested with unknowns, which are the worst unknowns in eve universe. You get to kill 10X more ships in 10x more time, but you get alloys for something like 3 good belts BS spawns. Give us some hardcore complex exploration complexes, where we get command spawns. If you can't fix it right now, give us complexes from other regions :) while it's being fixed - we'll take it. After all it's 0.0, I heard some of the empire complexes are much tougher and more profitable. Thinking about it, you give us all these unknowns, but nobody wants to bother with them and waste probes, since they are a waste of time. What is the point?
Zahav	Posted - 2007.07.03 21:22:00 - [1034] BUMP Fix the exploration, or at least answer us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ondora Caldari SKORPION CORP Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.07.03 21:36:00 - [1035] Still no answers?
Brisk Legeon	Posted - 2007.07.03 22:05:00 - [1036] Ran "Drone Herd" Complex today, found with on-board scanner. Once again, takes long time, amount of alloys overall is low. Better go to belts, will get much more. Commander Drone BS at the end, dropped NO loot, salvage return 0 PARTS! CCP, you said you adding new features and improving things, but I really see no point in drone region exploration, if it's so bad in the drone region. I and I'm sure all other drone region residens would like for it to change as I've invested in skills and do like the idea of exploration.
Robert Denby	Posted - 2007.07.04 01:01:00 - [1037] So, perhaps a single Dev response in a 34 page thread asking for fixes? Maybe an acknowledgment that something is wrong? Or does CCP just totally not give a sh*t anymore?
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 01:10:00 - [1038] Originally by: Brisk Legeon Ran "Drone Herd" Complex today, found with on-board scanner. Once again, takes long time, amount of alloys overall is low. Better go to belts, will get much more. Commander Drone BS at the end, dropped NO loot, salvage return 0 PARTS! CCP, you said you adding new features and improving things, but I really see no point in drone region exploration, if it's so bad in the drone region. I and I'm sure all other drone region residens would like for it to change as I've invested in skills and do like the idea of exploration. It is pretty **ty how the faction drones are dropping less** loot than the normal ones. Also exploration (not encounter sites) are still borked, they werent changed at all, CCP just added these encounter sites, but didnt do anything to improve the true exploration sites. And has never given us any awnsers regarding the issues with exploration, . Do not read this thread!!!
Hammer Judge Southern Cross Incorporated Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.04 01:18:00 - [1039] Seriously, make this a priority. - Visit my newbie guide for experienced MMO gamers.
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 01:51:00 - [1040] Edited by: Sevarus James on 04/07/2007 01:50:18 I think I signed this toward the beginning....gonna sign again. My corp exploration guys are banging their heads against the wall...STILL. The roids are fixed, finally, and the issue with the belt rats was, as I suspected, a server side timing/respawn issue just several prior patches gimped since EVE started. The complexes/exploration stuff however, isn't just for isk...its to make for entertaining corporate operations and such. Combat and defense of a region is fun, but if you're defending the sahara desert, you've got to start thinking at some point "why????" if there is nothing there really worth keeping you there. Ubuntu 3d Beryl-Linux Desktop+EVE
Meltra Bour Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.04 02:34:00 - [1041] Originally by: Sevarus James The complexes/exploration stuff however, isn't just for isk...its to make for entertaining corporate operations and such. Combat and defense of a region is fun, but if you're defending the sahara desert, you've got to start thinking at some point "why????" if there is nothing there really worth keeping you there. I just hang out there couse it's one the best regions to get mats for those nice ships I love to get blown up :p But I agree with the whole point ... - We need something to replace faction stuff ? - The fact that plexes drop less alloy's/hour then belt rats make them kinda point less. (not counting in the rare escalations. But hey, those are realy rare anny way) true-true, plexes are fun but they need to be financialy interesting as well or I'l keep loosing buddy's to run them ... ow yha thx for the roid fix, finaly ...
Mollernak Cassus Beli FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.04 04:58:00 - [1042] Bump, bump , bump.... The occupants of the drone regions are being further left behind each and every day these issues are not fixed. We are all being cut off at the knees out here. Thank you for fixing the asteroids, it is helping somewhat, but it's like giving raincoat in a cyclone, pretty damn useless overall /rant over
BigWhale Gallente Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.04 07:05:00 - [1043] Actually, we don't need all those fancy things other regions have. We just to find a drone built ore processing plant that can refine at 100% and can munch on all the ore at the same time. ;> So you can throw omber, veldspar, scordite, crockite,... and a bunch of alloys & compounds in it. And it has to have a million cubic meters of storage and it processes everything in an hour. So, the processing plant would drain its power from Drone Neural Network Link (or something like that) and would only work in drone regions, since there is no drone neural network in other regions or its power is too weak elswhere in universe. Of course those processing plants could only be found in drone regions and the only way to get it is to find a drone mining site, kill all the drones and pick up the damn thing. You could launch it inside a POS shield and bring it online.... We need that. :) -- R, U, Y are letters...
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.07.04 08:21:00 - [1044] Originally by: Sevarus James Edited by: Sevarus James on 04/07/2007 01:50:18 I think I signed this toward the beginning....gonna sign again. My corp exploration guys are banging their heads against the wall...STILL. The roids are fixed, finally, and the issue with the belt rats was, as I suspected, a server side timing/respawn issue just several prior patches gimped since EVE started. The complexes/exploration stuff however, isn't just for isk...its to make for entertaining corporate operations and such. Combat and defense of a region is fun, but if you're defending the sahara desert, you've got to start thinking at some point "why????" if there is nothing there really worth keeping you there. /signed especialy the part about defending the sahara desert well put. Originally by: Rawne Karrde PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
Zahav	Posted - 2007.07.04 22:04:00 - [1045] Bump
Mollernak Cassus Beli FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 01:37:00 - [1046] BUMP The "sahara" is better than the Drone Regions.
Manic Smile Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:04:00 - [1047] bump cause I'd to be able to scan for 'useful' plexes *courtesy of www.flickr.com
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega	Posted - 2007.07.05 11:12:00 - [1048] no one is listening........ but it's true. Do something CCP! /shouting into waterwell off ----------------------------------------------- "Yes... I sleep with my myrmidon. It's nothing to be ashamed of!"
Zahav	Posted - 2007.07.05 20:53:00 - [1049] As i see still no answer.... well.... Bump then
Ghosthound	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:55:00 - [1050] BUMP. At least we can keep it on the first page..... Maybe in a year it will work... As for now.... We didnt even deserve explanation....
Hammer Judge Southern Cross Incorporated Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.06 03:54:00 - [1051] knock knock Hellllooooo anyone home? - Visit my newbie guide for experienced MMO gamers.
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.07 16:37:00 - [1052] I believe we have been forgotten AGAIN Good grief CCP, how hard is it to give your paying customers an update ? The issue is large enough and has gone on long enough to warrant a sticky and an ongoing update to what you are doing to fix this busted region. Heck, you might even get folks on Sisi to double check your progress if you could get down off the high chair and let us paying plebes know what progress is being made. /signed again Localhost
Hammer Judge Southern Cross Incorporated Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.08 23:43:00 - [1053] I wonder how high the series of issues in Dronelands are on their to-do list. What could be higher?
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.09 06:27:00 - [1054] Edited by: LocalHost on 09/07/2007 06:28:09 Originally by: Hammer Judge I wonder how high the series of issues in Dronelands are on their to-do list. What could be higher? Apparently not as high as walking around some stupid stations which continues to get loving while drone regions get the shaft on a multitude of acknowledged but shoddily handled if at all issues...... Customer Service FTL on these issues, big time. Shame too, Eve started out as that game where players could expect non-biased timely feedback. Oh, and apparently there's a known bug with medium towers and cynos..... that has been stated will have a September fix to it......
Hammer Judge Southern Cross Incorporated Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.09 07:20:00 - [1055] I was happy that our missing drones were brought back after the Rev 2 patch, in fairly quick order, oh and the asteroid belts too. It would just be wonderful for the remaining issues, itemised in previous posts, to be resolved. Or at least to make it onto a public to-do list. ps> hugs to CCP who otherwise have made my most favourite game.
Jin Steele Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.09 21:38:00 - [1056] bump, keep this on the first page till its fixed! _________________________________________________________
Garrett Smith ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.09 22:13:00 - [1057] Bump... because asteroids got fixed but now rats are broken!?!?!?!?!?!? Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Metaller Ocean Dynamics Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.09 22:18:00 - [1058] And another really dissapointing expierience with drone commanders salvaged one and got: 7 lorentz fluid 820k 2 artificial neural networks 240k ----------------------------------- =6,22mil prices are according to jita. i just hope it doesnt get any worse.
Mollernak ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.10 00:22:00 - [1059] Bump back to page one...
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.10 12:23:00 - [1060] Edited by: ghosttr on 10/07/2007 12:23:40 Just scanned 3 systems in cache on my trip down the pipe this morning. All 3 had plexes, and there were done plexes in a bounty npc region So no do our plexes only suck real exploration is still non-existant) our sucky plexes are just the *** plexes from other bounty rat regions Id pay a fortune for just 1 radar site . Do not read this thread!!!
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.10 12:52:00 - [1061] Originally by: ghosttr Id pay a fortune for just 1 radar site You can't afford that. You live in the drone regions :P Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.10 14:56:00 - [1062] Originally by: Virtuozzo Originally by: ghosttr Id pay a fortune for just 1 radar site You can't afford that. You live in the drone regions :P Well my fortune consists of about 40 plush in the hold of my ratting Vengeance . Do not read this thread!!!
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.07.10 15:30:00 - [1063] The mining thing really wasn't fixed now that the first round of mining since the patch is pretty much complete. I got what they intended to do. Much fewer but much bigger rocks. After the first mining pass post patch we now have much fewer rocks and much smaller rocks. Yes, they are a bit bigger than pre-patch but not by much. 2 Ark rocks sporting 1400 units in a belt while better in the sense that you don't "One Cycle" the rocks still sucks overall. You had it right after the patch, big rocks but few of them...the process of allowing the rocks to "grow" back to those post patch sizes is silly considering the numbers (average is 2 rocks per belt). Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
Thoric Frosthammer Fallen Angels Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.10 17:04:00 - [1064] Just to summarize the problems as I see them: 1) Mining, while slightly improved, is still pretty limited. The rocks get mined out in half a day, and respawn even smaller the next time. Pretty soon we'll have fewer AND smaller rocks than we did before. 2) Exploration. Are we planning on getting any that doesn't suck? 3) Ratting is even less valuable now than it was before. This is only partially offset by the rise in zydrine that accompanied the nerf to its amounts, but that surge is already dropping again. It's also partially offset by the ability to produce stuff with the low ends from ratting, kudos for that at least. Overall, no matter what profession you choose, the drone regions make a tiny fraction of the isk other regions make. If that's your intended plan, then balance the other regions to match us, please. Fix us or fix them, seriously.
Sabian Treehugger Minmatar 54th Knights Templar O X I D E	Posted - 2007.07.10 17:15:00 - [1065] Maybe we should start a "Fix all the other regions" thread that should get more attention Droneland greatest region in the game , all other regions are borked
Metaller Ocean Dynamics Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.10 19:29:00 - [1066] Edited by: Metaller on 10/07/2007 19:30:46 Originally by: CCP LeMousse Originally by: Metaller Edited by: Metaller on 25/06/2007 22:10:53 Edited by: Metaller on 25/06/2007 22:02:41 Originally by: CCP LeMousse The value of what may drop through salvaging a Rogue Drone commander is on par with the total value of what is dropped by other faction's commanders. i just killed my second rogue drone commander: Sentient Patriarch Alvus wreck empty as usual. I salvaged: 1. 3 artificial neural networks 2. 6 drone transciever ok number one goes for 500k in sinq laison. number 2 goes for 1.9mil. -> my mathematics skill says me that makes 12.9 mil isk. ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? how is this "on par" with other faction ships? thats about the bounty other faction bs have, but not including the loot they drop. And as far as i know you can salvage t2 rig parts from them too! THIS needs to be changed ASAP!!!!! Just like with any commander entity, there is a percentage chance of it dropping each item and quantity, and that may vary greatly. Not every commander spawn drops faction loot, and in the same vein, not every Rogue Drone Commander will drop the most valuable salvage components or in huge quantities. The total possible value of a drop through salvaging is on par with what other commanders drop. Again, Rogue Drone Commanders will be getting loot drops in addition to the salvaging in the near future. OK yeah some commanders might not be giving alot of valuable loot. But sure every other than the drone commander give at least a bounty! And now check this: 2007.07.10 19:18:32 Notify You successfully salvage from the Rogue Large Commander Wreck. Unfortunately there was nothing to be salvaged. This is getting ridiculous!
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.10 20:44:00 - [1067] Exploration content in the drone regions is sorely needed. There are NO (rp or otherwise) reasons why we shouldn't have these. CCP still refuses to awnser any questions regarding the obvious lack of exploration content in the drone regions. Hell at this point at least 'were waiting for bob to take the regions' would at least be an awnser, which is more than we have gotten so far We were supposed to get better exploration content with the rev 2, but CCP didnt even bother fixing the exploration sites, or adding new ones. They just put out those encounter sites, which are a sad joke to any pilot who specializes in exploration. Get off your ****in bob alts and give us some awnsers CCP!!!! . Do not read this thread!!!
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.10 21:44:00 - [1068] While the lack of exploration should certainly be addressed there are a few points the people in the drone regions should keep in mind. There are other places in the game where you get no officer spawns, very few high end minerals to mine (so bad you may as well mine scordite in say.. Amarr with Chribba). Oh and no Gas clouds or NPC stations either. You have to work hard and use up every bit of resource available to make it.
Vort X EON Order Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.07.10 22:02:00 - [1069] Edited by: Vort X on 10/07/2007 22:02:19 There is no use to write down what the problem is. It could be an awesome source to improve the game but.. When did we get an answer from a dev? We did get some post from someone who doesn't even competent in this area. Do you think they care? I don't see any sign if they do.
Jamus Gorrelius Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.10 23:09:00 - [1070] its all been said before, they do need a fix CCP pls do something. bumpige
Freelancemen Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2007.07.11 15:08:00 - [1071] We in fact found 3 exploration (escalation) sites within a weeks time, ALL of them failed to escalated after the 2nd pocket

CCP Oveur	Posted - 2007.07.11 15:46:00 - [1072] There is a problem in general with some Exploration sites and it's not limited to the new regions. We have a team working on it. Executive Producer EVE Online

Thor Xian EarthForce E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.11 15:51:00 - [1073] Originally by: CCP Oveur There is a problem in general with some Exploration sites and it's not limited to the new regions. We have a team working on it. There is also a problem in general with some Asteroid sites and it's limited to the new regions. You should have a team working on it. ____________________________________________ ~Admiral Thor Xian, Strategic Operations Commander Meet the Overlord

CCP Oveur	Posted - 2007.07.11 15:54:00 - [1074] Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: CCP Oveur There is a problem in general with some Exploration sites and it's not limited to the new regions. We have a team working on it. There is also a problem in general with some Asteroid sites and it's limited to the new regions. You should have a team working on it. The problem is on a mechanic which all exploration sites can use, amongst them, sites specific to the new regions. If a site in amarr uses this trigger and an asteroid site in the new region use this same trigger and the trigger is broken, it is the same problem, yes? Executive Producer EVE Online

Veskrashen Caldari A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:25:00 - [1075] Originally by: CCP Oveur The problem is on a mechanic which all exploration sites can use, amongst them, sites specific to the new regions. If a site in amarr uses this trigger and an asteroid site in the new region use this same trigger and the trigger is broken, it is the same problem, yes? I am sooooo trying not to believe that the only reason the drone region sites are being worked on is because the problem is affecting normal regions as well. Trying, at least.
Turin Caldari RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:31:00 - [1076] The fact that they are still broken almost 8 months later is a VERY sad thing. It shows complete disregard for your customers IMO. The funny part is, the person who staretd this thread ( Stamm ) doesnt even play anymore. ________________________________________________________

CCP Oveur	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:49:00 - [1077] Originally by: Veskrashen Originally by: CCP Oveur The problem is on a mechanic which all exploration sites can use, amongst them, sites specific to the new regions. If a site in amarr uses this trigger and an asteroid site in the new region use this same trigger and the trigger is broken, it is the same problem, yes? I am sooooo trying not to believe that the only reason the drone region sites are being worked on is because the problem is affecting normal regions as well. Trying, at least. This is Oveur's automated forum posting service. Thank you for taking the said quote out of context. For your convenience, we have added the response to which this is a reply, which explains the reply in question. For further emphasis, the important parts have been put in bold. Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: CCP Oveur There is a problem in general with some Exploration sites and it's not limited to the new regions. We have a team working on it. There is also a problem in general with some Asteroid sites and it's limited to the new regions. You should have a team working on it. Thank you very much and have a nice day. Executive Producer EVE Online

Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:20:00 - [1078] How about fixing them asteroid sizes so they spawn bigger before having to "grow"? I don't expect 5-7k in each of the 1-3 ark rocks that might live in a belt like there was the day after Rev 2 release but 3-4k per would be nice. 1-2k with 2 rocks in a belt just kinda...sucks. And yes, I have been keeping copious notes about rock respawn. Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:31:00 - [1079] He said that there was a problem with the sites themselves, but said nothing about the lack of mini-exploration sites in the drone regions. And last time our exploration site were supposed to be fixed so we can do those hacking/archaelogy/gas cloud sites nothing was changed and CCP just tried to cover the old ****ty sites up with enounter sites, rather than actually fixing anything. . Do not read this thread!!!
Thor Xian EarthForce E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:51:00 - [1080] Originally by: CCP Oveur Originally by: Veskrashen Originally by: CCP Oveur The problem is on a mechanic which all exploration sites can use, amongst them, sites specific to the new regions. If a site in amarr uses this trigger and an asteroid site in the new region use this same trigger and the trigger is broken, it is the same problem, yes? I am sooooo trying not to believe that the only reason the drone region sites are being worked on is because the problem is affecting normal regions as well. Trying, at least. This is Oveur's automated forum posting service. Thank you for taking the said quote out of context. For your convenience, we have added the response to which this is a reply, which explains the reply in question. For further emphasis, the important parts have been put in bold. Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: CCP Oveur There is a problem in general with some Exploration sites and it's not limited to the new regions. We have a team working on it. There is also a problem in general with some Asteroid sites and it's limited to the new regions. You should have a team working on it. Thank you very much and have a nice day. Go easy on him Ovie, I was actually referring to the relatively crappy mining roids, not the exploration related content...it was tounge in cheek ____________________________________________ ~Admiral Thor Xian, Strategic Operations Commander Meet the Overlord
Alerce	Posted - 2007.07.11 21:00:00 - [1081] one of the biggest problems is however with the fighting complexes is the low quality of the alloys being dropped by drones that do more damage then the ordinary rat belts and even if you salvage them, they barely drop That is one reason its hardly worth it. Other reason might be, that the socalled cruiser sized drones, show up as frigs and bigger sized drones show maybe up as a cruiser. Maybe that also affects what they drop, i dunno. All i know is, that with good scan skills, it often takes 1 a 2 hour to find the tougher complexes and that the loot(pure alloys and salvage items, nothing else) from 1 complex is just not worth it, compared to ratting and not even to the mining in 0.0. just saying, the trigger mechanics is wrong, most likely wont influence what they drop :/ But the reward vs time invested is not even getting close to 30 percent what u get by using the same time in another way. Till it becomes at least a bit worthwhile, i wont even waste my time with them anymore and so are most people playing there. Another big reason is, that the new noob onboard scanner complexes there are also unknown, which spoils the multispectral scan probe, which wont show how MANY unknown there are in a system but only will show 1. So you cant filter the systems either anymore with multispectral probes to see if there is REALLY somethign there.
Manic Smile Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.12 00:08:00 - [1082] Edited by: Manic Smile on 12/07/2007 00:14:43 Originally by: CCP Oveur There is a problem in general with some Exploration sites and it's not limited to the new regions. We have a team working on it. I know the nature of these forums means you have to be careful with what you say but what does that statement mean. Are you saying that the lack of exploration content in drone space, i.e. having only drone combat sites and asteroid mining sites is unintentional and related to a general bug with all exploration sites. Or are you saying that all exploration sites are bugged at the moment and you are working to fix them, but that drone space will still only have limited options after this bug is 'fixed'. Now if it's the fist situation then awesome, thank you for letting us know there is a problem and that you are working on it...if it's not that however why post at all. I mean most of us could care less if exploration is fixed in drone space if all we'll have is drone combat plexes, with drops worse then asteroid drones, or mining plexes in a region that has minerals coming out of our collective orifices. We want the same variety of stuff to do that other 0.0 space gets. *courtesy of www.flickr.com I hate the jpeg format.
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.07.12 20:16:00 - [1083] Hi, I'm Karanth, and I'm an alcoholic... Whoops, wrong forum. Oh well, the bump is deserved. Save my alliance mates! Until I can probe for sites, that only leaves my alliance mates as probing targets.... Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips IT WAS ME, MUHAHAHA. -Hango How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn always fashionably late - Deckard
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 01:13:00 - [1084] I was exploring in a .6 in empire today and I found a radar site. I warp to the site to find that it is controlled by drones, and they are guarding several cans which can only be opened via hacking. This is utter and complete bull** CCP. The drone regions dont have these mini profession sites yet you spawn them in *in empire* . Do not read this thread!!!
Vort X EON Order Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.07.13 04:21:00 - [1085] Edited by: Vort X on 13/07/2007 04:22:41 You are a funny guy mister Oveur! You have obviously have spyes (forum mods) in these pages who reports if CCP's reputation starts to get intense heat damage. Now you came just like you did half year ago, basically telling us that there are nothing wrong with our region, it's a general eve bug. Unfortunately it did not turned off the overdive module, but generates more heat instead. Could you please be so kind and actually read this topic before answering? You have 36 pages of research but if you read the last few, that should be enough. If you already did that, probably you can sum it up and let us know if the problems are at least being recognized by CCP or as usual, it's being overseen. We'd like to know your, or the CCP's official point of view on all of these issues instead of playing firefighter games.
Hammer Judge Southern Cross Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.13 14:12:00 - [1086] Hi CCP. Thanks for dropping by, please fix. Stuff. Thanks!
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:02:00 - [1087] Its good to see some more attention. Please forgive all of us for our short tempers - 8 months of being ignored tends to do that to people. I can say that the Asteroid issue seems to be fixed, at least to the point that mining is possible. Whether it is comparable to other regions is another issue, but I don't have to clear out 4 entire belts to get enough trit to build a single BS anymore. I would say that Exploration is the next big issue we have. As stated, the existing Exploration sites are lousy/bugged. No Ladar or Radar sites at all. That translates into 'Don't do exploration in the Drone Regions.' However, the storyline promised us the Drone Queen in an encounter/exploration complex. Supposedly, its the 'richest complex in Eve, a 15/10 difficulty'. Obviously, the Drone Queen has been in hibernation for 8 months, as no one has ever found this complex. Can we get some confirmation that this site will actuall exist somewhere someday?
Reithan Caldari LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:14:00 - [1088] Originally by: CCP Oveur This is Oveur's automated forum posting service. Thank you for taking the said quote out of context. For your convenience, we have added the response to which this is a reply, which explains the reply in question. For further emphasis, the important parts have been put in bold. Thank you very much and have a nice day. Oveur FTW. -----------------------------------------------
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 20:20:00 - [1089] Originally by: Reithan Originally by: CCP Oveur This is Oveur's automated forum posting service. Thank you for taking the said quote out of context. For your convenience, we have added the response to which this is a reply, which explains the reply in question. For further emphasis, the important parts have been put in bold. Thank you very much and have a nice day. Oveur FTW. Well its a bs reply that gives us no answers. Instead of addressing the issue directly he says that its an overall problem, which is bull**** because the drone regions have specific issues not related to those in other regions. Our issue is not that the sites arent respawning, its that we dont have them in the first place . Do not read this thread!!!
Bonny Lee Caldari God's Army Corp OPUS Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 11:02:00 - [1090] We would be happy if there was anything to explore.... neither an encounter nor a exploration site for more then a week. Our Area seems totally bugged.
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.14 12:28:00 - [1091] Originally by: CCP Oveur This is Oveur's automated forum posting service. Thank you for taking the said quote out of context. For your convenience, we have added the response to which this is a reply, which explains the reply in question. For further emphasis, the important parts have been put in bold. There is a problem in general with some Exploration sites and it's not limited to the new regions. We have a team working on it. There is also a problem in general with some Asteroid sites and it's limited to the new regions. You should have a team working on it. Thank you very much and have a nice day. Hi, this is the automated "I'm a paying customer and I'm tired of not getting concrete answers to some very valid questions concerning a product I've been paying you for over 4 years now" service. Seriously, before you get all cute perhaps you can actually give us some timelines on when functions are expected to be fixed. There was a time it was funny that we were sods out here in the Drone regions trying to make obviously broken things work, but that time is about 7 monthes stale. Your best spokesmen is the community in which you build, that is true for any game out there. As it stands, this reputation is tarnished at best, if I only judge by the reactions of my friends (RL) and the in-game friends that still play but left this region due to obvious lack of CCP development and fixing.
Jin Steele Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.14 16:10:00 - [1092] what about the complete lack of expeditions? _________________________________________________________
Graisse	Posted - 2007.07.14 16:56:00 - [1093] So after all this time you still think thera are bugs? dudes it's intended, thou CCP as a corporation will be in denial because there is something they don't want to tell. I have seen things like those in other mmorpgs and later in time people found all was a big cover for something weird.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.14 17:14:00 - [1094] people think CCP is being lazy and that they can fix anything in a matter of days if they put enough people into it people underestimate the importance of good coding and that even perfect coding can have bugs sometimes from unexpected consequences ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Graisse	Posted - 2007.07.14 17:19:00 - [1095] Edited by: Graisse on 14/07/2007 17:19:13 You obviously don't know how long have been ppl asking for a solution...this thread started 3 months ago but the problem has been detected almost with kali deployment so go figure they deployed kali2 and the supposed New Regions are still not fixed. You don't need rocket science to know something is going on and we don't know it yet.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.14 19:37:00 - [1096] Originally by: Graisse Edited by: Graisse on 14/07/2007 17:19:13 You obviously don't know how long have been ppl asking for a solution...this thread started 3 months ago but the problem has been detected almost with kali deployment so go figure they deployed kali2 and the supposed New Regions are still not fixed. You don't need rocket science to know something is going on and we don't know it yet. have you forgotten the various changes that have been attempted and more bugs being created? you must be ignoring these facts ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Graisse	Posted - 2007.07.14 20:44:00 - [1097] No dude no, I don't ignore anything concerning New Regions and this thread. Even my alliance mates where with devs in local trying to help with roid seeding, etc. so I'm pretty informed. I just advise you to put your tin foil hat on.
Sabian Treehugger Minmatar 54th Knights Templar O X I D E	Posted - 2007.07.14 22:24:00 - [1098] Graisse pls activate your corp and alliance ticker at least to show you're from the drone regions when you post. Oh the intended bull**** ,no one buys it anymore CCP just adapts to the player's actions. Take for example the plush changes remember when drone regions were intended to be poor in lowends and now we can make millions of trit and pyer just from ratting only thing which is in low suply is mex which is imported and compressed easily if lacking. That was CCP's reaction to the mineral market imballance which was affecting the whole of EVE and not just 5k-10k players living in droneland.And etc. the list can go on. See it's not about what's intended it's about how many players it's affecting.
SirMolly	Posted - 2007.07.16 19:37:00 - [1099] Originally by: Jin Steele New patch, nothing fixed. 7 months and drone regions still suck. You should have stayed in Deklein then.
Jin Steele Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.16 19:40:00 - [1100] Originally by: SirMolly Originally by: Jin Steele New patch, nothing fixed. 7 months and drone regions still suck. You should have stayed in Deklein then. And you should post with your main. _________________________________________________________
ION Deathstar	Posted - 2007.07.16 23:23:00 - [1101] http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp Color me not impressed with the patch, considering the fact this thread has the most replies of all time and the complaints STILL remain unresolved, or even spoken to......
Hammer Judge Southern Cross Incorporated Angels Of Discord	Posted - 2007.07.17 07:12:00 - [1102] I would appreciate some love on this issue.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.17 15:50:00 - [1103] Ok, I've been in the Drone Regions since the day they opened up. We've laid out the bugs here quite convincingly, and CCP has addressed some while leaving others unanswered. Recently, the Asteroids are markedly better, and might actually be on par with other regions. Exploration sites are no longer bugged every time. I've actually seen an Exploration named drone and it dropped something other than normal minerals. These things are improvements, and are moving us closer to being a viable region. However.... The Storyline on the Drone Regions promised that the Drone Queen Complex was out here somewere. It was always intended to be a Exploration-only complex, with a supposed difficulty of '15/10'. It was supposed to be 'the richest complex in EVE.' Finding this complex, or at least the pursuit of it as a Corp/Alliance endeavor, is something I thought would add considerable spice to the boring existence out here. The reality is that the recent Encounter scanner displays 'Unknowns' just like the probes do, which makes it difficult to find things to explore in the first place. NO Hacking and NO Archeological sites at ALL! Current rewards for Exploration/Encounter sites are less than normal belt ratting and much harder to do. And, above it all, *NO ONE HAS EVER* FOUND THE DRONE QUEEN HIVE!** Now I'm not asking for the damm thing to spawn in front of my outpost each day promptly after downtime. I personally hope it is a very difficult and rare occurrance. What I am asking is confirmation that it DOES actually spawn and is not bugged. In other words, CCP, does it exist and is possible to find?
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.17 16:13:00 - [1104] Originally by: Princess Jodi Ok, I've been in the Drone Regions since the day they opened up. We've laid out the bugs here quite convincingly, and CCP has addressed some while leaving others unanswered. Recently, the Asteroids are markedly better, and might actually be on par with other regions. Exploration sites are no longer bugged every time. I've actually seen an Exploration named drone and it dropped something other than normal minerals. These things are improvements, and are moving us closer to being a viable region. However.... The Storyline on the Drone Regions promised that the Drone Queen Complex was out here somewere. It was always intended to be a Exploration-only complex, with a supposed difficulty of '15/10'. It was supposed to be 'the richest complex in EVE.' Finding this complex, or at least the pursuit of it as a Corp/Alliance endeavor, is something I thought would add considerable spice to the boring existence out here. The reality is that the recent Encounter scanner displays 'Unknowns' just like the probes do, which makes it difficult to find things to explore in the first place. NO Hacking and NO Archeological sites at ALL! Current rewards for Exploration/Encounter sites are less than normal belt ratting and much harder to do. And, above it all, *NO ONE HAS EVER* FOUND THE DRONE QUEEN HIVE!** Now I'm not asking for the damm thing to spawn in front of my outpost each day promptly after downtime. I personally hope it is a very difficult and rare occurrance. What I am asking is confirmation that it DOES actually spawn and is not bugged. In other words, CCP, does it exist and is possible to find? Well the lack of hacking and other sites is just a result of the complete disregard CCP has shown for these new regions. I have found drone radar sites in empire but not in the drone regions. WTF CCP . Do not read this thread!!!

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.07.17 16:42:00 - [1105] Hello again, just returned from my summer vacation and much to my dismay this topic seems to have grown some 8 pages Like some of you might know I was working on some of the issues here and I'm glad to see they aren't popping up (as far as I can see). However, if there are still issues I'll give you the same advice as I've given people who approached me in local as I was looking at things: Start a new topic. Make it on one single topic. Dont go all over the map. There's just too much of everything in this topic and no focus. Pick what bothers you the most. Make a new topic with the subject something in the direction of: [Drone Regions: Mesocricetus Auratus causing masticating deterioration in power core, please fix!] where the subject depicts your favourite wrong doing. As long as that topic stays on topic we can see how many people actualy agree with you and that puts alot more pressure on that topic than 38 pages of everything between the heavens and the earth. It's also quite scary to reply to these topics as there is no way you can cover every subject that has been raised so somebody will always feel shafted. Ofcourse you can also go on and post here if you want to keep the thread alive. It will definetly show for how long this issue has been going on but it's not going to facilitate it's resolution in the same manner as a concise campaign is. Now, please refrain from misunderstanding this as some veiled threat, insult or as a promise that everything will be alright as soon as those topics are made. I'm just offering a suggestion on how we can make this easier for everybody. At any rate, I'm signing out of this topic. It's been fun to be helpful and actualy see the labours of my work turn some frowns upside-down but now I must turn my attention elsewhere. The current (I think they're the current ones) complaints are not really in my ballpark and I dont know what, other than respawns and asteroids, has been fixed and I'm not re-inventing the wheel (although it could do with some more pew pew). Untill we meet again, ~ PrismX

Hammer Judge Southern Cross Incorporated Angels Of Discord	Posted - 2007.07.17 23:19:00 - [1106] Edited by: Hammer Judge on 17/07/2007 23:18:56 OK. Seems like a fair suggestion. Does anyone have an up-to-date compilation of issues, that have been reported/verified by more than one poster? If not, anyone with time on their hands want to trawl the past say 10 pages or so and collate one? If so, perhaps list it here to start, then, create a new thread for each one with a title like [Drone Regions issue] TITLEHERE.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.18 05:28:00 - [1107] Originally by: Hammer Judge Edited by: Hammer Judge on 17/07/2007 23:18:56 OK. Seems like a fair suggestion. Does anyone have an up-to-date compilation of issues, that have been reported/verified by more than one poster? If not, anyone with time on their hands want to trawl the past say 10 pages or so and collate one? If so, perhaps list it here to start, then, create a new thread for each one with a title like [Drone Regions issue] TITLEHERE. already done for Exploration ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.18 14:01:00 - [1108] Originally by: CCP Prism X Hello again, just returned from my summer vacation and much to my dismay this topic seems to have grown some 8 pages Like some of you might know I was working on some of the issues here and I'm glad to see they aren't popping up (as far as I can see). However, if there are still issues I'll give you the same advice as I've given people who approached me in local as I was looking at things: Start a new topic. Make it on one single topic. Dont go all over the map. There's just too much of everything in this topic and no focus. Pick what bothers you the most. Make a new topic with the subject something in the direction of: [Drone Regions: Mesocricetus Auratus causing masticating deterioration in power core, please fix!] where the subject depicts your favourite wrong doing. As long as that topic stays on topic we can see how many people actualy agree with you and that puts alot more pressure on that topic than 38 pages of everything between the heavens and the earth. It's also quite scary to reply to these topics as there is no way you can cover every subject that has been raised so somebody will always feel shafted. Ofcourse you can also go on and post here if you want to keep the thread alive. It will definetly show for how long this issue has been going on but it's not going to facilitate it's resolution in the same manner as a concise campaign is. Now, please refrain from misunderstanding this as some veiled threat, insult or as a promise that everything will be alright as soon as those topics are made. I'm just offering a suggestion on how we can make this easier for everybody. At any rate, I'm signing out of this topic. It's been fun to be helpful and actualy see the labours of my work turn some frowns upside-down but now I must turn my attention elsewhere. The current (I think they're the current ones) complaints are not really in my ballpark and I dont know what, other than respawns and asteroids, has been fixed and I'm not re-inventing the wheel (although it could do with some more pew pew). Untill we meet again, ~ PrismX Well pardon my lack of enthusiasm, but while your work is appreciated, don't you have the ability to look over a cube at the office, or (we know you have MSN) text one of the GM's that does have the ability to look into these issues ? Saying that it's been cute and all, and that we might ought to make new threads flies in the face of reason and tries my patience personally..... we have been trying to get these issues fixed for monthes, almost coming up on a year now, with petitions and having THE most active thread on this sub-forum.... What I, as a paying customer for 4 years on 3 accounts, would like to see is a response by CCP explaining where we are with the issues brought up over the last 9-10 monthes in this thread. Instead of "burying" the issues by creating new threads, it seems to me the best way to put this issue to rest is to acknowledge the problems instead.... sending in junior members of your team to peek and poke, while fun temporarily, doesn't actually fix the problem. That's my 2 cents, based upon how other companies work that actually seem to care bout their paying customers.
Haks'he Lirky 8th	Posted - 2007.07.18 14:20:00 - [1109] Originally by: LocalHost Well pardon my lack of enthusiasm, but while your work is appreciated, don't you have the ability to look over a cube at the office, or (we know you have MSN) text one of the GM's that does have the ability to look into these issues ? Saying that it's been cute and all, and that we might ought to make new threads flies in the face of reason and tries my patience personally..... we have been trying to get these issues fixed for monthes, almost coming up on a year now, with petitions and having THE most active thread on this sub-forum.... What I, as a paying customer for 4 years on 3 accounts, would like to see is a response by CCP explaining where we are with the issues brought up over the last 9-10 monthes in this thread. Instead of "burying" the issues by creating new threads, it seems to me the best way to put this issue to rest is to acknowledge the problems instead.... sending in junior members of your team to peek and poke, while fun temporarily, doesn't actually fix the problem. That's my 2 cents, based upon how other companies work that actually seem to care bout their paying customers. You as a demanding customer could show some initiative instead of talking about vague issues that exist in this monster thread, how bout compiling all the issues brought up in this thread and mark the ones that have been fixed and the ones that havent been? Then start a new thread with that compiled list, get more feedback and hope for more success. As a independant developer I have experienced the nightmare of players making demands that something should be fixed while at the same time they only talk in general terms about a feature set, this makes it almost impossible for me as a developer to get a concrete idea what exactly is wrong, or infact if there is something wrong (people sometimes simply dont agree with your game desing choices). only my 0.1 isk.
Alerce	Posted - 2007.07.18 15:39:00 - [1110] Sorry dude, but if game developers are not able to communicate with their playerbase and are not able to filter out the information in topics, then they stink at doing their job. There were enough concrete statements made. Beside: our ccp employer doesnt even bother to read or react on the new topics. So these new topics are almost already lost in several pages in the history list, so the message is not getting across in these new topics either. I am not a game developer, but dang it, if my customers complain about something and are first bit unclear about what the exact problem is, i do my best to filter the needed information out and talk with them, till the problem is accurately written down and can be taken care off. Otherwise i visit the building site for example and look into it. Customer is king and almost always right. The last CCP employer showing up here, is not really showing any interest at all,they make dumb remarks in the forums (so called funny remarks in their opinion i guess, but to a lot of players, they feel like big insults) that tried to make a home in the drone regions, that still have hope ccp will finally understand, there are big problems with the drone regions. Drone regions in short: lot of alloys, you can get with shooting rats. Otherwise: nothing. If you compare that with all the content and options, there are in other regions, then its not the players job to keep writing tons of different options, how to fix it. The drone regions need a well overall overlook, that the idea of the region is and how it can be made so, that the players in that region also have multiple options to play EVE and its content there. Its not just 1 or 2 problems, its the drone regions in its total, that are wrong. exploration is considered nothing, because efford/time spent is not worth it, compared to the ridiculous low rewards, you get from them, while your ship is under heavy risk. Lot of these exploration sites can NOT be done by 1 or 2 players and be salvaged in time either.
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.18 16:11:00 - [1111] Quote: You as a demanding customer could show some initiative instead of talking about vague issues that exist in this monster thread, how bout compiling all the issues brought up in this thread and mark the ones that have been fixed and the ones that havent been? Then start a new thread with that compiled list, get more feedback and hope for more success. As a independant developer I have experienced the nightmare of players making demands that something should be fixed while at the same time they only talk in general terms about a feature set, this makes it almost impossible for me as a developer to get a concrete idea what exactly is wrong, or infact if there is something wrong (people sometimes simply dont agree with your game desing choices). only my 0.1 isk. Thanks for your input. With all due respect, the responsibility after 37 pages of attempts by players to get this resolved is NOT on the players. As a developer, you probably know that you will be far more knowledgeable as to why things are broken to begin with, and to be honest, if you want people to enjoy your product, you would have to show a far more vested interest in resolving those problems or issues that are broken. 37 pages of responses and the highest read status on this sub-forums (which mind you are very active) tells me that it's overdue for action by CCP to address and fix the issues, or simply state that stuff is broken, or working as intended. <IRL> I've been in IT for about 16 years now myself, the last 10 years of which I've either been a manager or director level employee. I mostly work in High Performance Computing (Linux Clustering, etc). My point is, it is not logical to me that a statement and some due diligence aren't being done by CCP to actively resolve the issues pointed out in this thread. I've listened to the CCP CEO in the videos they have here on the main ccp website, and believe me back when this game first got out of beta in 2003 I was totally pumped about it. However, that being said, I really think that marketing has taken over in place of the technical brilliance that CCP once had as their claim to MMO fame. While I haven't written a game myself, I have supported as Director of IT a company that in turn ran the back end for large farms of gaming servers for the US Army, EA Games, and some other notable US gaming company entities. I interfaced with the devs daily and we worked through issues on how to keep their servers and related facilities running. My point I'm making here is that I know CCP is aware of the issues and it is this fact that surprises me in light of the fact that not a whole lot has been done to fix our issues, as well as other issues that have cropped up (Desync, very bad network connections with their L1/L2 tiered providers, etc). Worse, communications with players has been sporadic at best, and downright condescending in the worst cases. I wouldn't waste my time if I didn't care passionately about the game and my 4 years + invested in it, so don't take this as a slam against Eve, or CCP as a whole. Take it as I am a knowledgeable, paying customer that is fed up with the lack of action on CCP's part to at least acknowledge and present a workable plan to fix issues that are near a year old. </IRL> As someone else noted, other games are coming out that will be competing for space and time on peoples hard drives and lives. Don't let this game end up like another game I played for 4 years prior called mankind... yet another great game that the developers took from a 250,000 player base down to nothing due to lack of action and responsiveness to glaring bugs and issues, as well as arrogance. I challenge CCP to rectify this situation. Not to sound condescending myself, but I'd even volunteer in any way possible, pro-bono, to help fix some issues and get Eve back right again. /Signed
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.18 16:44:00 - [1112] Bump I've read the recent Dev request that we start new threads, as well as the responses listed to that request. I agree that no new thread should be started, and that the request to do so is percieved as an attempt to CCP to wash their hands of the problems yet again. So....I'm adding to this thread again. In an attempt to focus on an individual problem, I'll confine this post to Exploration in the Drone Regions. 1> No Archelogy Sites. While there is a statement from CCP that this was intended, it quite simply does not make sense. It may be that the lack was intended as a balance for other things which were better than Eve average. However, if the thing it was balancing exists, I have no idea what that 'unbalanced advantage' could possibly be. 2> No Hacking Sites. Again, stated as intended by CCP. The same comment applies here as the one above. 3> No Gas Clouds. No reason given for their lack of existence. Obviously, its not bugged in the rest of Eve. 4> No Cosmos Sites. I understand that Cosmos is limited to some areas, and the Drone Regions are not on the list. However, this lack is pointed out so that an overall comparasion to ANY other region will see how lacking the Drone Regions are. Also, from a balance standpoint, it is another 'negative balance' area for us. 5> On-board Scanner sites merging with valid Exploration sites. Since all other areas of Eve have Hacking and Ark sites, they have chances of discriminating between an On-Board Scanner Enounter and an Exploration site. We have no such luxury and get 'Unknown' for everything we find. Please change On-Board Scanner sites to something other than 'Unknown' 6> Exploration sites not worth doing. The rewards for the Exploration sites found with probes are pitiful. Since we have nothing but 'Unknowns', we only get the poorest of the sites to begin with. Couple that with the fact that you will not get anything like Faction Ship BPC's or any other cool items, and you have a completely broken concept. As stated by many here, if you've ever done a Drone Region Exploration site, you'll never volenteer to do another one. The risk is high, the rewards pitiful, and you're better off doing Belt Ratting than any concievable Exploration site that we've seen. 7> No Drone Queen Hive. As a way of pointing out the broken encounter table, I'd like to focus on the supposed Drone Queen. Unfortunately, she does not seem to exist. Since all other regions had Complexes in the past, they certainly have the Complex-via-Exploration results now. We, however, have nothing at all. And the promised 'Richest in Eve' complex does not exist. 8> No Security Status change. While doing Exloration in any other region has some effect on your Security Status, we get nothing. Again, stated as intended, but there does not seem to be anything to compensate for this 'negative-balance' item. Now if you are a CCP Dev/Employee reading this, I cannot understand how you need more information that just given to fix the Drone Region exploration. No new threads will give you more info. If you fully intend the negative aspects to be the way they are, then please look at the supposed 'positive-balanced' items. Because we can't see them AT ALL!
Brisk Legeon	Posted - 2007.07.18 16:59:00 - [1113] I agree, I don't think we should be making new threads on topics, as people that have reported problems previously might have just given up doing it all over again, or have already gave up due to lack of response from CCP we see here. Also, CCP requested putting player Feedback to post revelation patch II in 1 topic, why can't we do the same? I think problems of Drone region can be outlined by 1 CCP employee in a short period of time, more than that, look at the post above - it's been already done. CCP I understand that you may not want bad publicity this forum topic brings you, however, players such I, would like to see something being done. And the reason we are doing it is not to make you guys look bad. I personally think CCP is doing a lot of good things, and runs the complex universe of eve in a very reasonably manner, deserving a recognition. It's just problems like these, that don't get resolved and we don't get responses from you, that offends your customer base.
ShadowAgony An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:25:00 - [1114] How about drone commanders not droping any loot and how about hauler spawns?

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:34:00 - [1115] Right, promising to not post again in any topic is always a surefire way to do just that. Just to get a few things straight. I'm not trying to hide anything. I very consciously stated that you can keep posting here to show how long this has been broken. I wasn't saying it to be funny, I was saying it to avoid accusations of trying to silence the matter, because I dont believe going down that road is going to help anyone. I decided to make the new regions my pet project mainly due to a couple of players who I talked to while I was surveying them. They were extremely polite and concise in their points. It wasn't untill I met those players when I started piecing together what the general consensus was (that and reading this topic over and over again) concerning the asteroids (ofcourse general would be the majority, not everyone). I'm not pulling your leg when I say that the lack of focus in this topic is detrimental to fixing these issues. I'm not saying it wont happen if you dont create new topics either, it's a suggestion to "Help us help you". If you think that is unnacceptable then it is your opinion and I'm not going to argue that, post here if you desire. Now, In the asteroid topic I've given a short answer on the state of affairs. I also see that it's not a very hot topic which tells me that the asteroids aren't the main issue anymore (although things will never be considered perfect). The exploration topic on the other hand is rather hot but I dont know much about the technicalities behind that, so I asked Greyscale to give you some info, which he did to the best of his ability and made people who are keenly interested in exploration happy. Any other issues haven't come up so I can only assume it's only those two issues. This is also not just for our sake. Some players might not care to read through 2 pages of something they do not consider broken to find the single post about exploration which they consider broken. I'm just advocating focus and organization, not trying to silence you. Please, take my advice as just that, an advice rather than an order or some manipulative way of diverting your attention. You don't need to follow it. If I wanted to silence this I'd have locked the topic and possibly created new ones myself. I'm just trying to sort things out in the fastest manner possible. So, post here if that is your preference. Post here and in the new topics if you want to do best of both worlds. I'll continue ghosting this topic, I doubt I'll post here again though as the asteroids are working as intended and the respawn rate has been fixed. If I see much activity in one topic and I can't give you good enough answers I'll try and find a Dev for you which can give you answers (and I'll see activity alot more easily if subjects have dedicated topics, mind you). If at any point something arises which I can look into personaly, I'll do that at the first opportunity. That is, if you want me to. If you've come to regard me as some manipulative marketing genius trying to silence the subject as I stand to gain something from it.. then I don't think I've got much to offer anymore. At any rate, I'd like to thank everyone who were ready to help me locate the source of the respawn problem and willing to take time to explain their ideas on the asteroid problem. It truly was fun to interact with the community to get things fixed. ~ PrismX

LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:51:00 - [1116] PrismX, It is greatly appreciated that you participated to fix the Asteroids. I don't think it would be off base to say that EVERYONE in the Drone Regions appreciated it. That said, It took months to get that addressed, and coupled with the still existing other issues that players are illustrating, there does exist a great deal of disappointment. I think and I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking this that the absolute best thing you could do is yell over the cube or IM whomever is responsible for gameflow, to come take a look and profile the issues still here. Originally by: CCP Prism X Right, promising to not post again in any topic is always a surefire way to do just that. Just to get a few things straight. I'm not trying to hide anything. I very consciously stated that you can keep posting here to show how long this has been broken. I wasn't saying it to be funny, I was saying it to avoid accusations of trying to silence the matter, because I dont believe going down that road is going to help anyone. I decided to make the new regions my pet project mainly due to a couple of players who I talked to while I was surveying them. They were extremely polite and concise in their points. It wasn't untill I met those players when I started piecing together what the general consensus was (that and reading this topic over and over again) concerning the asteroids (ofcourse general would be the majority, not everyone). I'm not pulling your leg when I say that the lack of focus in this topic is detrimental to fixing these issues. I'm not saying it wont happen if you dont create new topics either, it's a suggestion to "Help us help you". If you think that is unnacceptable then it is your opinion and I'm not going to argue that, post here if you desire. Now, In the asteroid topic I've given a short answer on the state of affairs. I also see that it's not a very hot topic which tells me that the asteroids aren't the main issue anymore (although things will never be considered perfect). The exploration topic on the other hand is rather hot but I dont know much about the technicalities behind that, so I asked Greyscale to give you some info, which he did to the best of his ability and made people who are keenly interested in exploration happy. Any other issues haven't come up so I can only assume it's only those two issues. This is also not just for our sake. Some players might not care to read through 2 pages of something they do not consider broken to find the single post about exploration which they consider broken. I'm just advocating focus and organization, not trying to silence you. Please, take my advice as just that, an advice rather than an order or some manipulative way of diverting your attention. You don't need to follow it. If I wanted to silence this I'd have locked the topic and possibly created new ones myself. I'm just trying to sort things out in the fastest manner possible. So, post here if that is your preference. Post here and in the new topics if you want to do best of both worlds. I'll continue ghosting this topic, I doubt I'll post here again though as the asteroids are working as intended and the respawn rate has been fixed. If I see much activity in one topic and I can't give you good enough answers I'll try and find a Dev for you which can give you answers (and I'll see activity alot more easily if subjects have dedicated topics, mind you). If at any point something arises which I can look into personaly, I'll do that at the first opportunity. That is, if you want me to. If you've come to regard me as some manipulative marketing genius trying to silence the subject as I stand to gain something from it.. then I don't think I've got much to offer anymore. At any rate, I'd like to thank everyone who were ready to help me locate the source of the respawn problem and willing to take time to explain their ideas on the asteroid problem. It truly was fun to interact with the community to get things fixed. ~ PrismX[/
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:58:00 - [1117] lol, someone wiped my last post about no dev response for 35 pages.... excellent to see you guys are all over it now! thanks for the info pris and oveur, now pleqse excuse me zhile I break this stupid belgian azerty laptop in half.... I frackin HATE azerty.... why do french speaking people always have to do things different.... sigh.. anyazays, THQNKS!!! ----------------------------------------------- "Yes... I sleep with my myrmidon. It's nothing to be ashamed of!"
LocalHost Empirius Enigmus Navy Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.21 15:02:00 - [1118] No mention in patch notes of ANY of the issues we've been asking for a fix for........ What is the deal ?!?!
Hammer Judge Southern Cross Incorporated Angels Of Discord	Posted - 2007.07.24 03:50:00 - [1119] Edited by: Hammer Judge on 24/07/2007 03:50:39 Are there any other outstanding issues, beyond Exploration, which needs handling? CCP has answered question on exploration this thread here. What else is still broken?
Hammer Judge Southern Cross Incorporated Angels Of Discord	Posted - 2007.07.25 05:56:00 - [1120] Edited by: Hammer Judge on 25/07/2007 05:57:40 I started a thread asking about Elite/commander spawns, and that we get none except very rarely in Plexes. It's here in case anyone else wants to chime in. Hmm I just realised the older exploration thread does touch on this same topic, and CCP say the next content patch will improve Commander loot.

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