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Sha Dar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.12 07:58:00 - [421] Unfortunately, it seems we're received all the response from them we're going to get...
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.12 08:59:00 - [422] comeon CCP you stated the problems were fixed there not, cough up an answer and time they will be fixed, please you owe it to us, after all we pay you!
Sverre Haakonson	Posted - 2007.04.12 09:01:00 - [423] There is one solution. Make a new big ally with most of the corps in the new regions, build a fleet and conquer a better region. The new regions are scrap. Accepting this can't be a solution. Corp SECUWAY Alliance SECUWAY
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.12 09:36:00 - [424] Bump for CCP replay
Ademius Knortak A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.12 10:15:00 - [425] Originally by: Sverre Haakonson build a fleet and conquer a better region. ... with the trit we have to buy in empire? bump
Jade Nexia Gallente CHON	Posted - 2007.04.12 11:08:00 - [426] If new regions are even worse than mostly useless 0.0 space then what exodus of players from Empire we should expected? It is old song. Everyone sign "Empire is crowded" CCP sign "and what?". Instead pushing more juice into 0.0 space they constantly nerfing income for average Joe instead give him candy and try lure him into 0.0 river. FIY: I like being in 0.0 whole day alone with rare human presence. LOL
01101100011101 INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.12 11:14:00 - [427] * No Hauler Spawns - Intentional --> Makes sense. It's been a quarantine zone, no human factions there. However continuing on principle as rogue drones to engage in activities like taking over and constructing their own outposts in space (not stations, but points of presence) there really should be an equivalent to "hauler spawns" in the drone regions as well. Unless the rogue drones use slash commands to spawn their stuff :P * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') Bugreport it --> Been there, done that, if we had to count the number of BR's submitted we'd be wasting our time till christmas :P * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Should be fixed in 1.4 --> actually, they're worse off now, more BR's. * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong --> nope, in most places it is still the same, in some it's even worse (negative ore volumes ftw), more BR's. * Broken rewards for belt rats Intentional --> not a clue what that is, I presume it's the alloys that are meant here. Makes sense that rogue drones drop merely alloys, nano tech gone wrong and all that stuff. * No static complexes Intentional --> while I understand the logic, it's quite visible that when it comes to competing on a higher organisational level in 0.0 there is only one ISK method which balances things out or gives an edge, and that is static complexes. After all, it is what wars are fought about (who am I telling this ... CCP you invented it that way). I see that folks could live with it, if only exploration would provide an alternative. Even IF that got fixed, it doesn't even compare let alone provide some balance like in other 0.0 regions. * Lack of tritanium/pyerite Intentional --> Understood. After all each region lacks some resource type to a degree. To further either trade or war with other regions basically. Still, any other region in 0.0 can provide for complete self sufficiency by just investing a bit more time into gathering that local resource type. Except the new regions. So either as hinted on irc it's a prelude to the other regions getting nerfed soon for resource distribution, or the logic in regional distribution is flawed and the new regions should be rebalanced. One of the two. For the sake of the rest of EVE I hope it's the latter. * No faction spawns Intentional --> This is ofcourse silly. It is yet another competition mechanism between 0.0 regions, and please don't tell me that among the rogue drones there are no specialisations of the AI's controlling them ... after all they have specific shiptypes, and they are on an evolutionary path. If after all this quarantine time rogue drones which were the scourge of the galaxy still haven't come up with something bigger or better then a mutated dominix Concord was just bloody lazy locking those gates .... I mean, come on. * No conquerable stations Intentional --> Makes perfect sense. It's a station type which is evermore part of a trend to abuse rather then to use. They have their uses, but let's not go into that now. It is perfectly visible CCP wants people to invest in infrastructures which allow colonisation of the new regions to spread trade an war. Obviously the people living there are just there to build **** for people from outside the new regions who are self sufficient at home and have static complexes for easy ISK so they can go out and wtfpwn those without such resources.
01101100011101 INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.12 11:20:00 - [428] Originally by: 01101100011101 * No Hauler Spawns - Intentional --> Makes sense. It's been a quarantine zone, no human factions there. However continuing on principle as rogue drones to engage in activities like taking over and constructing their own outposts in space (not stations, but points of presence) there really should be an equivalent to "hauler spawns" in the drone regions as well. Unless the rogue drones use slash commands to spawn their stuff :P Managed to dig something up ... http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/sep01-01.asp "The rogue drones soon started behaving very much like other living beings. They constructed a home for themselves, usually deep in some remote asteroid field, and began plans for reproduction. This involved both the mining of asteroids and attacks on unsuspecting mining vessels - all with the intent of gathering the materials needed to expand their homes and to build their own drones. As the months passed drone lairs popped up in dozen different places and today they can be found in almost every corner of the world, harassing and killing space farers of every sort. As each drone lair is started by a separate mother drone they often evolve in quite different ways. Each new generation of rogue drones shows some new mutations, creating a huge diversity in the shape, size and power for rogue drones. Recently a new type of drone lairs have appeared, commonly called hulk lairs. It seems that when rogue drones manage to capture suitably large vessels, like large cargo freighters or cruisers, they donÆt dismantle the ship completely, but instead start to incorporate the lair into the shipÆs hull. Eventually these hulks break free from the drone lair that captured them and start drifting out of the asteroid field, sometimes even under their own accord; the propulsion system still being intact. Hulks like these have been found drifting in deep space, far from human settlements, but occasionally they drift close by settled planets or through space routes. This can cause severe problems for the populace and space farers, often requiring heavy military involvement to get rid off." Eat own words .. :P ?
0101110000101 INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.12 11:44:00 - [429] Originally by: 01101100011101 Obviously the people living there are just there to build **** for people from outside the new regions who are self sufficient at home and have static complexes for easy ISK so they can go out and wtfpwn those without such resources. thats how i see things happen as they fix the new regions by the time the major faction is done with their current wars
0101110000101 INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.12 11:50:00 - [430] Originally by: 01101100011101 Originally by: 01101100011101 * No Hauler Spawns - Intentional --> Makes sense. It's been a quarantine zone, no human factions there. However continuing on principle as rogue drones to engage in activities like taking over and constructing their own outposts in space (not stations, but points of presence) there really should be an equivalent to "hauler spawns" in the drone regions as well. Unless the rogue drones use slash commands to spawn their stuff :P Managed to dig something up ... http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/sep01-01.asp Eat own words .. :P ? Pwned? well they are broken

Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.12 12:10:00 - [431] Originally by: 0101110000101 Originally by: 01101100011101 Originally by: 01101100011101 * No Hauler Spawns - Intentional --> Makes sense. It's been a quarantine zone, no human factions there. However continuing on principle as rogue drones to engage in activities like taking over and constructing their own outposts in space (not stations, but points of presence) there really should be an equivalent to "hauler spawns" in the drone regions as well. Unless the rogue drones use slash commands to spawn their stuff :P Managed to dig something up ... http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/sep01-01.asp Eat own words .. :P ? Pwned? well they are broken Quick some one there is a hole in the internet and the binary if gushing out! Fight against log off tactics to protect your space from isk farmers!
010110111001	Posted - 2007.04.12 15:34:00 - [432] slap the guy who had the idea to make binary toons :/ Now BACK ON TOPIC!
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.12 16:39:00 - [433] Edited by: Hexman on 12/04/2007 16:35:53 OMGWTF PWNED!!!!! major bumpage!! What you got to say now, Oveur?? Originally by: 01101100011101 Managed to dig something up ... http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/sep01-01.asp Eat own words .. :P ? CCP's on Customer's concerns about broken roids in new regions: Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.12 18:33:00 - [434] well it seems that the drones do have hualers, how curious. so yet another bump for a DEV response. The up comming down time is a good time for a bug fix
Sabian Treehugger	Posted - 2007.04.12 20:22:00 - [435] WARNING - Lots of irony "Recently a new type of drone lairs have appeared, commonly called hulk lairs. It seems that when rogue drones manage to capture suitably large vessels, like large cargo freighters or cruisers, they don’t dismantle the ship completely, but instead start to incorporate the lair into the ship’s hull." So where are these things CCP ? They are not in the belts and not even in exploration sites.Is it lazyness CCP ? And about the rats i don't care what was intended it's just wrong. It's like what you had in mind for the T2 lottery and then you said "OOPS we *** up" and now you ask players for help regarding invention but the same players that tell you that you **** up again you tell them to move. Oh yes i would like to move and go the USA to work at KFC and leave behind my friend's and the home that i built. Now i don't care if CONCORD decides to put bounties on drones or if minerals on drones are ballanced resulting in a balanced income from a drone or even if those nice little lairs that you tease us with appear,but do something. And yes fix those damn roids and give us a fighting chance!Stop thinking of your petty schemes and think about the players,the ones who give life to this wonderfull game and who love a challenge but not a death sentence.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.12 22:19:00 - [436] Still waiting...
Toxic Four	Posted - 2007.04.13 00:43:00 - [437] Would really be nice to see the roids fixed cause I'm tired of hearing all the miners complaining and frankly im bored stiff harvesting drones. Would actually like to mine for a change cause that is slightly more exciting than drones. Who intended that drones should be so dang boring anyway? Why can't there be some cool drones random spawn like you can get ratting anywhere else in the game including the random special rats that show up in missions every once in awhile? Dread Guristas etc? Anyway in most regions you have a choice of many activities. If rat farming gets boring you can jump system to system looking for named rats. If even that is boring you you can get a gang together and mine. Even more exciting go ninja. Mining gets old haul some stuff around and build a market economy. Tired of that play with agents. Agents wont talk to you I guess you can take up exploration. All at highly profitable levels comensurate with the added risk/fun of pvp. Here is the kicker... NONE OF THAT WORKS IN THE NEW SYSTEMS EXCEPT RAT FARMING So I have trouble understanding the offical response. All this fun is by design? There is no need to fix it? HA-HA-HA Suckers! Really all we are asking for is one baby step. Admit the rocks are different here than in other parts of the universe and let us know if it is a game mechanic bug or an intended feature. If it is intended frankly maybe we should save server resouces and just turn the roids off out here, negative min quanities ROFL.
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.13 02:42:00 - [438] Ok CCP...you got busted on that. Dont feed us "it was intended that way" crap. Will you fix it or keep wasting resources on worthless features like walking around in stations?? CCP's on Customer's concerns about broken roids in new regions: Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.13 03:04:00 - [439] We're going on to 5 months now with broken belts. How hard can it be to fix something that works properly everywhere else in EVE?
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.13 07:21:00 - [440] Ignoring us won't make it go away.

NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.13 07:49:00 - [441] DEVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV RESPONSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.04.13 08:38:00 - [442] Originally by: Xelios We're going on to 5 months now with broken belts. How hard can it be to fix something that works properly everywhere else in EVE? Indeed. Exploration sill bugged. Trow us a bone here ccp. I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Tom Shandy	Posted - 2007.04.13 08:51:00 - [443] hahaha Good to see you all still here crying instead of moving out. Seriously lads, what you are hoping to acheive will not happen.
DaMaster Architect SOTI Inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.13 09:10:00 - [444] Edited by: DaMaster Architect on 13/04/2007 09:06:55 Originally by: Tom Shandy hahaha Good to see you all still here crying instead of moving out. Seriously lads, what you are hoping to acheive will not happen. yep, you're right. We'd better move out. So, hereby, I demand all the territory your alliance possesses, so we can rat there. What, you don't want to give me your territory? Now ask yourself why you won't do so. Your ignorancy totally proves that you have no idea what we're talking about. Can we move out? No, the entire universe is already occupied by other alliances. Can we conquer the space of these alliances? Yes, but for an industrial derranged alliance it's going to be a pity supplying massive fleets to conquer alliances like D2, BoB, RA, etc.. Can we cancel our subscription? Yes, we can. So moving out is not an option. Serious man, we just want to have some fun playing this game. Watching titan-sized veldspar roids pop every 5 minutes and moving huge worthless alloys around every time is really a pain in the ass. Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Tom Shandy	Posted - 2007.04.13 09:17:00 - [445] Originally by: DaMaster Architect Edited by: DaMaster Architect on 13/04/2007 09:06:55 Originally by: Tom Shandy hahaha Good to see you all still here crying instead of moving out. Seriously lads, what you are hoping to acheive will not happen. yep, you're right. We'd better move out. So, hereby, I demand all the territory your alliance possesses, so we can rat there. What, you don't want to give me your territory? Now ask yourself why you won't do so. Your ignorancy totally proves that you have no idea what we're talking about. Can we move out? No, the entire universe is already occupied by other alliances. Can we conquer the space of these alliances? Yes, but for an industrial derranged alliance it's going to be a pity supplying massive fleets to conquer alliances like D2, BoB, RA, etc.. Can we cancel our subscription? Yes, we can. So moving out is not an option. Serious man, we just want to have some fun playing this game. Watching titan-sized veldspar roids pop every 5 minutes and moving huge worthless alloys around every time is really a pain in the ass. Moving out is an option. There is lots of space, not all taken, how do you think everyone else that didnt walk into the empty new region copes ? The fact that you think you are stuck there shows your ingnorance. The only problem is the roids anyway, who in their right minds, mines veld in 0.0 ?
010110111001	Posted - 2007.04.13 09:32:00 - [446] Edited by: 010110111001 on 13/04/2007 09:28:18 Originally by: Tom Shandy The only problem is the roids anyway, who in their right minds, mines veld in 0.0 ? I would suggest reading it all again. It is not about the roids. It is not about the veldspar. What it is about however should be quite clear: - broken feature sets in regards to NPC's (behaviour) - broken feature sets in regards to Exploration (sites & paths) - broken feature sets in regards to Resource Distribution (negative volumes anyone?) - the public approach CCP has taken through a display of utter uncaring or even basic aptitude - the complete absence of follow up on bug reports, effectuated communications via other methods - the complete absence of progress in taking on even the smaller issues relating to the new regions - the complete discrepancy between chronicles, storylines and Oveur's words in regards to content & feature specifics - etc etc etc. It isn't about the roids. It is about structural problems which result from simply not finishing the job. I don't mine, but roids with negative ore volumes? Not normal, except in the new regions. Same for roids with ore volumes of less then a miner 1 cycle ... Same goes for exploration, it isn't bugged, it is just not worked on. And please let's not fool ourselves that regions and their inhabitants do not compete with each other, human nature always does. Pretty much every region in EVE is self sufficient on a local level, all it takes is manpower and time. Except the new regions. Now stop confusing the issues at stake here folks. It's easy to say "omgmesseduproidsfixitnow". It just isn't about the roids. It is about resource distribution, competition, game perspectives, game feature sets left broken, game content left broken and CCP taking the approach of "don't like it, get lost".
Bloedkopp Minmatar Simian Cell Systems	Posted - 2007.04.13 09:37:00 - [447] The only way to get the DEVs to do there job would be if BOB was living in that area ! Sad but true
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.13 09:56:00 - [448] Quote: The only problem is the roids anyway, who in their right minds, mines veld in 0.0 ? Uhh, people who are trying to run alliance production and can't get low ends from rat loot like everyone else?
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.13 13:26:00 - [449] yet another bump for a dev response. RK
Otellus Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.04.13 13:42:00 - [450] Originally by: Tom Shandy Originally by: DaMaster Architect Edited by: DaMaster Architect on 13/04/2007 09:06:55 Originally by: Tom Shandy hahaha Good to see you all still here crying instead of moving out. Seriously lads, what you are hoping to acheive will not happen. yep, you're right. We'd better move out. So, hereby, I demand all the territory your alliance possesses, so we can rat there. What, you don't want to give me your territory? Now ask yourself why you won't do so. Your ignorancy totally proves that you have no idea what we're talking about. Can we move out? No, the entire universe is already occupied by other alliances. Can we conquer the space of these alliances? Yes, but for an industrial derranged alliance it's going to be a pity supplying massive fleets to conquer alliances like D2, BoB, RA, etc.. Can we cancel our subscription? Yes, we can. So moving outEó(@;4g@pG[TÄPPZ)ù¦ìs man, we just want to have some fun playing this game. Watching titan-sized veldspar roids pop every 5 minutes and moving huge worthless alloys around every time is really a pain in the ass. Moving out is an option. There is lots of space, not all taken, how do you think everyone else that didnt walk into the empty new region copes ? The fact that you think you are stuck there shows your ingnorance. The only problem is the roids anyway, who in their right minds, mines veld in 0.0 ? How did you get the impression its just about Veldspar? ALL asteroids are broken, not just the Veldspar rocks. And personally, I can understand CCP wanting to make regions lacking in a certain mineral to make it more interdependent, so if they wanna keep Veldspar rare in the new regions, fine. Then remove 90% of the Veldspar rocks and make the surviving ones hold 90% more ore, so that the total amount of Veldspar doesn't change. But its pathetic and annoying to warp to an asteroid belt with 30 moonsized veldspar asteroids, each holding only a minute amount of ore. But the bottomline is that all activities should be viable in a region, currently only ratting is viable, and mining and exploration are horrendously broken. FIX THE ROIDS, FIX THE EXPLORATION.



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