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Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.22 17:39:00 - [571] w000t!!! Won't hate you as long as we know you guys are working on it! This is awesome news...just hope doesnt take 1yr tho.. :) Originally by: CCP TomB Dear friends and foes of Rogue Drones. We have been on this issue for quite a time, which has been split into a history of multiple issues that have delayed . Asteroids in 8 new regions arn't respawning - we spend quite a time looking at code to see if something was preventing these new regions for having asteroids reseeded in quantity, and verifying that it was indeed working as intended. Asteroid belts had off-grid stones - this was a general issue with asteroid belts but the 8 new regions had the worst version of this issue. This was fixed a few patches ago. The amount of ore in the 8 new regions is less! - yet another issue that didn't make sense to us, the total amount of roids was around the same as for other regions, we spend quite a lot of time looking if big portion of them were "hidden". Now that we finally found out that #3 was the real issue but in another way; the asteroids are just way smaller than found in other regions, but there are are way more of them. We didn't think of this being a possible issue at the time being, as we didn't realize that strip miners empty the amount in few seconds while the cycle would be up to 10 minutes. I must admit I feel stupid not to see the true issue until now and having spend quite a lot of development time into digging holes at wrong locations. But the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action. Feel free to hate me until the fix is out. CCP's on Customer's concerns about broken roids in new regions: Originally by: CCP Oveur If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.22 20:19:00 - [572] Originally by: CCP TomB Dear friends and foes of Rogue Drones. We have been on this issue for quite a time, which has been split into a history of multiple issues that have delayed . Asteroids in 8 new regions arn't respawning - we spend quite a time looking at code to see if something was preventing these new regions for having asteroids reseeded in quantity, and verifying that it was indeed working as intended. Asteroid belts had off-grid stones - this was a general issue with asteroid belts but the 8 new regions had the worst version of this issue. This was fixed a few patches ago. The amount of ore in the 8 new regions is less! - yet another issue that didn't make sense to us, the total amount of roids was around the same as for other regions, we spend quite a lot of time looking if big portion of them were "hidden". Now that we finally found out that #3 was the real issue but in another way; the asteroids are just way smaller than found in other regions, but there are are way more of them. We didn't think of this being a possible issue at the time being, as we didn't realize that strip miners empty the amount in few seconds while the cycle would be up to 10 minutes. I must admit I feel stupid not to see the true issue until now and having spend quite a lot of development time into digging holes at wrong locations. But the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action. Feel free to hate me until the fix is out. Rather than saying "There's 5000 other solar systems" or "We've fixed it already" or "Everything is working as it should" or absolutely nothing, if you'd posted "There's problems, we don't know what these are" or even just open a convo with me about it and avoid all the forum stuff. I'd have gotten every alliance in the new regions testing stuff for you. I'd have assigned someone to filter through feedback and give you a concentrated dose of what's going on. For months we've been sitting here thinking you don't have a care in the world about us. I very much welcome your post, and I'm over the moon you've fixed it. But you know if you'd said "The asteroids from where I'm looking seem to be the same as other regions" or "Somethings, wrong, we don't know what it is. We ARE working on it" then you'd have gotten a whole lot less whines, and much better feeling over it. I know many people have already left the new regions in disgust. All it would have taken would have been "We know. We are working on it, it's up at the top of the list". But anyway, thanks for fixing it. And hopefully we can see it in the next patch. One point I would dispute with you is that there "are way more of them". We can clear a belt in minutes. I know we can't do that elsewhere. But like I said, any help you need. Contact me and I'll get it done. Or contact someone else. But we will help, it's in our interests. Galaxian Recruitment Info
The Power HighTech Marines Ltd. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.22 21:39:00 - [573] Edited by: The Power on 22/04/2007 21:36:32 Originally by: CCP Oveur Originally by: Stamm Originally by: CCP Oveur Oh, now I understand better the loot, you mean the composition is to zyd/nocx heavy? I hadn't thought about it like that, I was referring to rogue drones not having loot, which is one of their main traits (CONCORD doesn't give a flying intercourse about rogue drones). The composition is however intentional, you don't have all but we can datamine this specifically. There are other sources than the new regions for the compounds so I wouldn't single that out as the only reason for price fluctuations. Again, thanks for replying Oveur, you may not realise it, but by simply replying to me you've probably shown a bit of a light at the end of the tunnel for all the frustrated new regions alliances. Yeah, it's what I meant. I see what you mean about the zyd/nocx. Of course we shouldn't have perfect building requirements in minerals dropping. However, are you intending doing anything about zyd/nocx prices if they continue to drop? Zyd has gone to about 50% of what it was when the new regions come out. Nocx stood a little better, but the price has been crashing. Zydrine 180 day average Nocxium 180 day average Those are the two minerals that rogue drones are "heavy" on, and it's pretty clear the price is plumetting. Would we do anything about the market price if it drops? The short answer is no, we don't want to mess with the economy in a direct manner. However, we have through time changed composition and distribution of minerals to addres certain long-term situations. However, as long as for example Zyd stays around 1024, it's base price, we have no worries. Base price is 1024 ?! http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/EN/manufactureresearch/materials/minerals/39.asp You could have fouled me
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.24 06:28:00 - [574] What about fix of EXPLORATION?
Ahz	Posted - 2007.04.24 23:17:00 - [575] Originally by: Stamm * Broken rewards for belt rats * No faction spawns ...for now the drone regions are less rewarding than other regions, more hassle, and for the most part, simply broken. I'd add "boring as all get out" to this list. In the drone regions ratting is more like weeding. Same junk in each rat regardless of how tough it is to kill. Very little variation. In the faction regions you've always got the chance of running into the 100 mil ISK faction mod. In the belt regions it's 1 mil per BS. Every single time.
Raven Kahn Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:16:00 - [576] can we get a time line on the fix please thank you, RK
Turin Caldari RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.04.26 18:04:00 - [577] Originally by: CCP TomB Dear friends and foes of Rogue Drones. We have been on this issue for quite a time, which has been split into a history of multiple issues that have delayed . Asteroids in 8 new regions arn't respawning - we spend quite a time looking at code to see if something was preventing these new regions for having asteroids reseeded in quantity, and verifying that it was indeed working as intended. Asteroid belts had off-grid stones - this was a general issue with asteroid belts but the 8 new regions had the worst version of this issue. This was fixed a few patches ago. The amount of ore in the 8 new regions is less! - yet another issue that didn't make sense to us, the total amount of roids was around the same as for other regions, we spend quite a lot of time looking if big portion of them were "hidden". Now that we finally found out that #3 was the real issue but in another way; the asteroids are just way smaller than found in other regions, but there are are way more of them. We didn't think of this being a possible issue at the time being, as we didn't realize that strip miners empty the amount in few seconds while the cycle would be up to 10 minutes. I must admit I feel stupid not to see the true issue until now and having spend quite a lot of development time into digging holes at wrong locations. But the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action. Feel free to hate me until the fix is out. THANK you for finally seeing the major issue here. Although it took a while. I am sure that all the rest of us will gladly look forward to a fix. ________________________________________________________
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.26 22:17:00 - [578] Would be nice to know when this will be fixed though. Aside of that, I`ll believe this when I see it. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) What? No! ATTICA! ATTICA! -Rikeka
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.27 02:39:00 - [579] What ime we r looking on this and when EXPLORATION will be fixed; -u know about this to be broken since u were trying to fix it in 1.4.1 patch but u didnt! - u dont get any reward from our exploration sites!! (dont say after 4 month we didnt tould u) Bump!
Commander BlackJack Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.27 22:42:00 - [580] When TomB wrote the response regarding the asteroids i had a private convo with him when he was in our region. And he said that they're going to improve the rouge drone complexes & exploration in the new regions. no ETA tho.

Pherusa Plumosa Minmatar Freedom for All The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:48:00 - [581] Quote: To rectify this, weÆre adding a chance of getting commander spawns (your Arch Angels, Dark Bloods and so on) to the end of all escalation sites, as well as reviewing and occasionally revising the difficulty of certain sites. Hopefully this should make them a little more worthwhile. So we get "officer drones" dropping more compounds than normal or any other basic materials for which ccp wants to fix market prices?
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 15:59:00 - [582] Also we aren't getting any t2 salvage from drones. In other regions a faction spawn will give you some t2 salvage. Here, we have none of these spawns so we don't get t2 salvage atm. Also, we have no gas clouds. I have found giant scary stalagmite or something that oozes green gas. But the gas isnt harvestable. Could you change that before rev 2 so we don't miss out on months of possible booster production?
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.04.30 05:05:00 - [583] I haven't checked, but am I to understand that there's boatloads of hidden belts that are just waiting to push Zyd to 1024? ---

CCP Fear	Posted - 2007.04.30 10:39:00 - [584] A bit more info on the situation. The most common exploration complex in the new region was broken but has now been fixed and awaits deployment onto TQ. That will happen in the next static update. We are also adding a lot of more smaller engagements, that will have some good fights and good loot which should spice up the new regions considerably. Fear

Zigg Omelo eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.30 11:04:00 - [585] Originally by: CCP Fear A bit more info on the situation. The most common exploration complex in the new region was broken but has now been fixed and awaits deployment onto TQ. That will happen in the next static update. We are also adding a lot of more smaller engagements, that will have some good fights and good loot which should spice up the new regions considerably. Fear Thank you
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.30 11:05:00 - [586] Quote: Also we aren't getting any t2 salvage from drones. In other regions a faction spawn will give you some t2 salvage. Here, we have none of these spawns so we don't get t2 salvage atm. It's true we don't get any at all, but the drop rates for t2 salvage is a global problem. I spent some time ratting in Stain recently and only 2/4 commanders dropped a single t2 salvage part each. A 22 mil officer I found dropped no salvage whatsoever. The drop rate for these things is so low that most t2 rigs cost over 500 million isk just to produce at Jita prices.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.05.01 01:06:00 - [587] Any update from the miners in the Drone Regions? How`s the roid situation right now?
Hiesi FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 05:35:00 - [588] I haven't heard of any change in the roids as yet. Not a miner myself though. Some tougher rats will be nice and if there's the likely hood that exploration can be useful out here that would be sweet.
Steven McWayne Gallente Decadence. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.02 16:05:00 - [589] I was my first time now in the new regions for checking roids. I scanned them and only can say, its not worth to put a Hulk with t2 stuff in there. I mean there so small, i need only 1,5 cycles to pop a roid, they only have up to 500(Crokite/Arkonor) units in them, so i have to move every 4,5 minutes around. Another issue are those drones, i'm living in Branch and we live from Crokite but now its not worth to mine it. I skilled month's to fly a Hulk on lvl 5 with t2 crystals and other stuff and now the ppl are shooting faster zydrine then i can mine. And the allies that live in the south where they can mine megacyte have now a real $$$ advantage.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:40:00 - [590] Thx for the update, man. I guess mining has YET not been fixed! /me is guessing that when we stopped bumping this thread, CCP believed we all have moved out of the Drone Regions! Yay for the 5000 other systems!

Garrett Smith ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 02:08:00 - [591] Meh, better fix in next update make the region in line w/ other regions w/ income because we have to do a lot more work to get income. Need gas clouds and complexes that drop lewt in line isk wise w/ other regions. Originally by: El Yatta they shouldnt have gotten involved in supercaps, because on the whole they are very dull, except for 2-3 people in the alliance who get to go "wheee, i cant be scrambled, pwn pwn".
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 02:29:00 - [592] Well I would like a devblog on it, or at least an eta for the fix. I dont want to wait months for rev 2 to fix something that should have been addressed long ago.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.03 11:49:00 - [593] According to DEV Fear - exploartion will be fixed in the next static update Whats next static update? Is that next patch or what is it?
mineyoassoff	Posted - 2007.05.03 12:02:00 - [594] CCP - Still waiting for an ETA on when this will be fixed. 1) Roids still messed up 2) exploration sites not worth the time to use due to being broken I've noticed that the "mining" of drones is uber nerfed as well. On the one hand, the days of triple BS spawns are gone at least where I live. On the other hand, if you get lucky to find a 2 bs, 3 cruiser or so spawn, the BS's see your ship and they split 50% of the time, reaching sustained speeds of 5000km....... No crying here, but good grief with sustained fighting for control of the regions YOU opened up to allow room for people to expand, you would think that fixing issues that put residents at a significant disadvantage out here would be a hot item. A suggestion earlier was perfect, how about a DevBlog on the new regions and an ETA as to when these issues are actually going to be addressed. Better, I'd be happy to spend time with ANY of the devs out there showing what's wrong as I'm sure many others here would. /signed
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.05.03 12:43:00 - [595] Originally by: CCP Fear A bit more info on the situation. The most common exploration complex in the new region was broken but has now been fixed and awaits deployment onto TQ. That will happen in the next static update. We are also adding a lot of more smaller engagements, that will have some good fights and good loot which should spice up the new regions considerably. Fear Good loot, bad loot, just get some different loot in there, knowing before hand exactly what you're going to be getting is a killer. People are being assimilated at an alarming rate, turning into drones themselves. Also Known As
Kodiak31415 An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.03 18:54:00 - [596] Fix rouge drones.......please? _______________________________ Pleese exucse any seplling erroos in this psot
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter.	Posted - 2007.05.03 19:46:00 - [597] nice to see some action here, i have old friends living in the drone regions, and im tired of listening to them whine i think the missing arch and hacking sites is somewhat understandable...the regions were unreachable by the normal factions, so who would have arch and hacking sites here? basically, CCP needs to make special drone versions of these sites, and hopefully this is what was meant with the comment about special loving for the drone regions with regards to explorations. next, i think its SOMEWHAT fine that the asteroid belts are less then other regions, providing that you can get the high ends you need from ratting, and the low ends you need from exploration hidden belts, and special drone versions of hauler spawns. different, but equivalent value. until we know how the final belt fixes pan out, and exploration fixes, cant make a final conclusion here, plus we would still need a hauler spawn for drones. however, missing minerals in the belts does fit with the backstory, the drones are stripping the belts. we just need a mechanism to steal the mins from the drones. lack of static complexes is fine, CCP prolly didnt want to make any, only to remove them when they remove ALL static complexes. however, they are making a high chance for spawning of the new type in constellations that had a static complex, i feel the drone regions should get a few areas of this as well. so hopefully this will self balance out with revelations 2.0 belt rats need to be fixed, nanonerf the npcs. no conquerable stations is ok...they were a hack until outposts were added, still, drone regions start behind because of this. fixing the above problems would make this not such a big deal. hopefully the drone regions will mature into viable regions while maintaining a unique flavor. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
kill0rbunny Alpha-Hirogen The Pentagram	Posted - 2007.05.04 09:17:00 - [598] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn i think the missing arch and hacking sites is somewhat understandable...the regions were unreachable by the normal factions, so who would have arch and hacking sites here? basically, CCP needs to make special drone versions of these sites, and hopefully this is what was meant with the comment about special loving for the drone regions with regards to explorations. I think it could fit into roleplay perfectly to have complexes with faction navy in it, drone region pioneers or something. They could drop navy modules from time to time and those funny tags. I would spend all day long exploring for those. Wouldn't make instant money as the drones do either and market would not be flooded by nox/zyd. Drone hunting and dropping the same stupid alloys all the time is incredibly boring.
Malcanis High4Life	Posted - 2007.05.04 09:19:00 - [599] Originally by: kill0rbunny Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn i think the missing arch and hacking sites is somewhat understandable...the regions were unreachable by the normal factions, so who would have arch and hacking sites here? basically, CCP needs to make special drone versions of these sites, and hopefully this is what was meant with the comment about special loving for the drone regions with regards to explorations. I think it could fit into roleplay perfectly to have complexes with faction navy in it, drone region pioneers or something. They could drop navy modules from time to time and those funny tags. I would spend all day long exploring for those. Wouldn't make instant money as the drones do either and market would not be flooded by nox/zyd. Drone hunting and dropping the same stupid alloys all the time is incredibly boring. Drones should give salvage not minerals as loot.
Tsanir	Posted - 2007.05.04 11:44:00 - [600] I'm a miner so most of these aspects are okay with me (well, maybe not mining with guns, but whatever, just adapt), I'd just like to know from the devs whether the roids are in fact supposed to be this small. Just want to know so I can decide whether to hang around or take off for somewhere else.



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