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Redback911
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Posted - 2007.03.18 14:37:00 -
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Check new patch notes. Looks like drone asteroids and drone exploration getting some loving.
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Ralon Aster
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Posted - 2007.03.18 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Venix (..) but if you have 0 refining skills and lose 1 of 3 hauls to empire you are barley making 100mil off of that.
Well, as EVE is a multiplayer-game, maybe it was designed as a team-effort. Get somebody with refining skills (or create a refining alt ffs) and stop complaining. Nobody forces you to go and I guess you weren't born there. Dificulties are there to be dealt with and to overcome them, not to be whined about to get them 'fixed'.
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.18 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Vactet Dev flames of some sort. I dunno, it's too long to list.
Listen man-- You're getting this worked up over a game? There are like 30 more regions. Why don't you move to one of them and stop complaining about it? How about taking a break from Eve...
It's all me me me with some players--- while that's all fine and good for you, this is mmo. If they go ahead and make every change suggested because some player throws a fit, the game will suck for the rest of us. Some of us like that the devs did it intentionally. I've been saying it all along. As a group, the new regions are fun, but if you're playing to win eve, maybe it's time for a break?
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.18 16:08:00 -
[124]
This thread smells like necro.
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Dasi
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Posted - 2007.03.18 16:39:00 -
[125]
Thanks for the reply. At least we have "closure."
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Cruel Fox
Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.18 18:52:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Cruel Fox on 18/03/2007 18:51:26 Simple question for CCP;
with 1.4 patch r we geting roids normalized; (at present veldspar has 100K ore units, crokite 300; noramlized means; veldspar having 1mil+ ore units, crokite 1000+ ore units at its respawn)
- will their ore amount been adjusted to their normal size or no?
YES/NO
Thx for explanation in here : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=443400&page=5#135 (if no plz explain why not - thx!!!)
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Cruel Fox
Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.18 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
Originally by: Stamm The new regions are BROKEN.
There are -
* No Hauler Spawns * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) * Broken asteroids * Broken rewards for belt rats (mineral price crash caused by new region ratting) * No static complexes * Lack of tritanium/pyerite - no loot refines to trit, little pyerite, no hauler spawns * No faction spawns * No conquerable stations
Some of those are intentional. The drone regions are supposed to be "tougher" than other reasons. No conquerable stations I believe is intentional. No hauler spawns possibly. No gas clouds? Maybe. Lack of tritanium/pyerite, maybe?
But for now the drone regions are less rewarding than other regions, more hassle, and for the most part, simply broken.
This is understandable for new content, and I have every confidence the Developers intend to fix these problems.
But the Developers need to do the following.
* Acknowledge the problems. * State a priority on them. * Estimate some kind of timescale. * Fix them.
This is NOT too much to ask.
There was previously a thread discussing these things, but it has been moved.
Petitions have been tried - no response. To my knowledge there has been no Developer response on these issues. One is needed. Many, many alliances use the new regions.
Please, CCP, respond.
The new regions are as they are supposed to be. They were never supposed to be "tougher" themselves, they were supposed to be built up by players, which requires logistics which is tougher. If we go through it item for item:
* No Hauler Spawns - Intentional * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') Bugreport it * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) Should be fixed in 1.4 * Broken asteroids Should be fixed now, the reseeding was wrong * Broken rewards for belt rats Intentional * No static complexes Intentional * Lack of tritanium/pyerite Intentional * No faction spawns Intentional * No conquerable stations Intentional
If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
CCP Oveur
U r saying roids r FIXED already?????? So what is that patch nota about asteriods in G5KW anyway???
Damn; plz sit into hulk and mine in new regions and repeat that again without bad feeling.
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Kaylee Walker
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Posted - 2007.03.18 21:19:00 -
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There are other areas of 0.0 that don t have access to all minerals either, for example Syndicate doesn t have Isogen and Megacyte ores at all. Of course, not having Pyerite and Trit in normal amounts hurts the most as they are the most troublesome to import, but mineral compression that allows you to jump 50M+ amounts of low ends to 0.0 (even if you have to do two jumps) should fix that. I am sure if you offer empire miners enough isk, they ll even take care of the compression business for you. Adapt to the shortcomings and advantages of your space, don t whine about it. If it really is that much harder living there, be happy that other 0.0 powers will be less inclined to just take over. |
Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.03.18 21:40:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Rikeka on 18/03/2007 21:37:24 Edited by: Rikeka on 18/03/2007 21:37:02
Originally by: Kaylee Walker There are other areas of 0.0 that don t have access to all minerals either, for example Syndicate doesn t have Isogen and Megacyte ores at all. Of course, not having Pyerite and Trit in normal amounts hurts the most as they are the most troublesome to import, but mineral compression that allows you to jump 50M+ amounts of low ends to 0.0 (even if you have to do two jumps) should fix that. I am sure if you offer empire miners enough isk, they ll even take care of the compression business for you. Adapt to the shortcomings and advantages of your space, don t whine about it. If it really is that much harder living there, be happy that other 0.0 powers will be less inclined to just take over.
Dude, I don`t think you understand what`s wrong with the Drone Regions roids.
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Niki Silver
Ethereal Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.18 22:22:00 -
[130]
Oveur-
Base price of Zyd is 2048 not 1024. NPC buy orders were always 50% of base. Current market for Zyd is quickly falling to 1600 and less, which is well below base.
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Niki Silver
Ethereal Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.18 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Ramanov
Originally by: CCP Oveur
Originally by: Stamm The new regions are BROKEN.
If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
If we don't like it there are also dozens of other MMO's on the market, please bear that in mind before posting such childish remarks.
QFT, couldn't agree more
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Sphynix
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Posted - 2007.03.19 00:21:00 -
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How to drones propagate? - They keep getting killed... What do the drones shoot us with? The drones can Web, Scram, MWD and AB without modules? The drones live in "vast" complexes with buildings...
OK, so maybe the buildings are legacy from another era and the drones just happened to move in. OK, so maybe their modules are built in and can't be looted. OK, so maybe they use pew pew lasers that hit for all 4 damage types. OK, so maybe they have an infinate stock of minerals in the same hidden place as their ship/drone yards.
BTW why can't you take a hauler into these new complexes?
If you can have legacy buildings that the drones occupy then why can't you have legacy outposts. If you don't have hauler spawns, then can you have static (large numbers of low ends) drops in the complex to represent the drones manufacturing.
And just as a final bug-bear. The "old" regions give you a security increase from the rats. Drones are considered a security risk - why do you only get a security increase in the old regions?
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Caletha Reborn
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Posted - 2007.03.19 01:30:00 -
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I would love to see more content in the drone regions. If thats coming with 1.4 then I say bring it on! It would be a much needed addition in that region (where currently you can only rat, rat and rat a bit more).
As for the mineral prices crashing, it'll get worse and worse I'm sure. However will CCP do something when the prices cause the drones to become less profitable then normal drones?
Because that will happen, its just a matter of time. Heck, if you add the time it takes to sell the minerals, we're already getting close.
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Cruel Fox
Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.19 14:16:00 -
[134]
Still looking for replay of CCP on simple yes/no question!
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Arron S
Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.19 15:15:00 -
[135]
Rabble Rabble Rabble....
Fix the damn asteroids at least.
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Cruel Fox
Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.19 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Cruel Fox on 19/03/2007 18:06:36 Edited by: Cruel Fox on 19/03/2007 18:05:55 I just striped 1 belt and remowed crok bist and ark roids; total of 3K ore units from all of them like 1K of crok 1K of bist and 1K of ark in a belt; that should be like in 2 roids onlly not in a whole belt damnit;
anyway this belt is now clean of high end ore and tomorow after patch we will c how big they will respawn; honestlly i expect them to respawn at 90 units in roid and grow up to 300 top!!!
And they r claiming it is fixed - so lets see!
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Ruiryu
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Posted - 2007.03.19 20:31:00 -
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I personally have never had an issue with the new regions. Mind you all I was doing was ratting, sure the market price on zyd hurts oh well. I'll just build my ships, I don't care. I don't care if the drones dont drop trit as 1 unit of zyd will still buy me a lot of trit/pyrite. I can understand where people are coming from if they are doing a lot of production, but cry me a freaking river, get out and mine it. The veldspar roids are monsters. How did people get trit before the new regions and their nice alloy drops? They Either A: Bought it from Chribba, or B: Mined it. So why are people crying oh were not getting trit or pyerite boohoo. From the alliance that are out there I know you can easily field a mining op to get those minerals you need. And if it wasn't so profitable how is it that there have been about 5 outpost thrown up out there in the last what 4-5 months? Stop crying your pretty little eyes out. The new regions were ment to be a logistical nightmare, it what makes things so interesting, you have to work with other people.
Learn to adapt, stop whining about something that isn't broken.
* No Hauler Spawns. -"WELL DUH! They drop alloy already what else would they drop?" * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') -"Oh well move on" * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) -"More then like will be fixed soon be patient" * Broken asteroids -"Will more then likely be fixed stop crying things take time" * Broken rewards for belt rats (mineral price crash caused by new region ratting)-"Adapt, find new things to do with your 300k zydrine, shouldn't have flooded the market, the players caused this crash, And oh well the prices are almost back to what they were when I first started playing, still though making a profit from what it use to be then." * No static complexes -"They are drones! Imagine how difficult it would be to loot one. One Bobby and Jhonny you guys are on hauler duty tonight for the corp complex run. Just rat and be happy." * Lack of tritanium/pyerite - no loot refines to trit, little pyerite, no hauler spawns -"MINE IT! The damn veldspar as hugh!" * No faction spawns -"No really? What would a faction spawn drop? More alloy?" * No conquerable stations -"There seem to be plenty of them now. Go siege some POS and take one over"
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Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.03.19 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ruiryu I personally have never had an issue with the new regions. Mind you all I was doing was ratting, sure the market price on zyd hurts oh well. I'll just build my ships, I don't care. I don't care if the drones dont drop trit as 1 unit of zyd will still buy me a lot of trit/pyrite. I can understand where people are coming from if they are doing a lot of production, but cry me a freaking river, get out and mine it. The veldspar roids are monsters. How did people get trit before the new regions and their nice alloy drops? They Either A: Bought it from Chribba, or B: Mined it. So why are people crying oh were not getting trit or pyerite boohoo. From the alliance that are out there I know you can easily field a mining op to get those minerals you need. And if it wasn't so profitable how is it that there have been about 5 outpost thrown up out there in the last what 4-5 months? Stop crying your pretty little eyes out. The new regions were ment to be a logistical nightmare, it what makes things so interesting, you have to work with other people.
Learn to adapt, stop whining about something that isn't broken.
* No Hauler Spawns. -"WELL DUH! They drop alloy already what else would they drop?" * Broken belt rats (flying off at 12KM a second, as if they 'bounced') -"Oh well move on" * Broken exploration sites (more so than other space) -"More then like will be fixed soon be patient" * Broken asteroids -"Will more then likely be fixed stop crying things take time" * Broken rewards for belt rats (mineral price crash caused by new region ratting)-"Adapt, find new things to do with your 300k zydrine, shouldn't have flooded the market, the players caused this crash, And oh well the prices are almost back to what they were when I first started playing, still though making a profit from what it use to be then." * No static complexes -"They are drones! Imagine how difficult it would be to loot one. One Bobby and Jhonny you guys are on hauler duty tonight for the corp complex run. Just rat and be happy." * Lack of tritanium/pyerite - no loot refines to trit, little pyerite, no hauler spawns -"MINE IT! The damn veldspar as hugh!" * No faction spawns -"No really? What would a faction spawn drop? More alloy?" * No conquerable stations -"There seem to be plenty of them now. Go siege some POS and take one over"
Again, you have no idea. Mine Veldspar in the new regions, and later you are alowed to post here.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.03.19 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: MailFan
QFT
We have to work harder for less profit than any other 0.0 region. That may have been intentional, but maybe you could have made that clear before we spent all those hours on setting up our new home.
Less profit = less ships = less defense = lesser time for the other alliances to come and take over our space. If they actually want our space, which if they don't should say enough
Well it's one hell of a defense living in the... place that you do.
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Cutie Chaser
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Posted - 2007.03.19 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Ramanov
Originally by: CCP Oveur
Originally by: Stamm The new regions are BROKEN.
If you don't like it there, there are about 5000 other solar systems which you can go for.
If we don't like it there are also dozens of other MMO's on the market, please bear that in mind before posting such childish remarks.
"Don't let the door hit you on the [butt] on the way out, because we don't want [butt]prints on our door!"
Sorry, now that that is out of my system, I do agree that Oveurs comment was a bit blunt. The Devs should come out to the drone regions for a few weeks, set up a POS, and do some manufacturing and then tell us all is fine.
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Cutie Chaser
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Posted - 2007.03.19 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ruiryu I...How did people get trit before the new regions and their nice alloy drops? They Either A: Bought it from Chribba, or B: Mined it.
The Veld roids look huge but it's an illusion. It's like a chick with a stuffed bra, you get a look and say "Nice!", but later when she loses the bra you get that "awwww... pooh" feeling :P
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Amelia Ryan
Gallente Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.19 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cutie Chaser
The Veld roids look huge but it's an illusion. It's like a chick with a stuffed bra, you get a look and say "Nice!", but later when she loses the bra you get that "awwww... pooh" feeling :P
Looooool!
If you don't like it there, there are about 5 billion other boobs which you can go for.
:p
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Cutie Chaser
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Posted - 2007.03.20 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Amelia Ryan
Originally by: Cutie Chaser
The Veld roids look huge but it's an illusion. It's like a chick with a stuffed bra, you get a look and say "Nice!", but later when she loses the bra you get that "awwww... pooh" feeling :P
Looooool!
If you don't like it there, there are about 5 billion other boobs which you can go for.
:p
Unfortunately there's quite a bit of time invested to get to the, er, unwrapping stage, so it better to try to get a fix to the problem then to try to start over again from scratch.
If they were just as big as they looked it would be fine, but since they aren't now they are in need of a serious injection(an ore injection of course).
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Amelia Ryan
Gallente Horizon.Inc Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.20 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cutie Chaser
Originally by: Amelia Ryan
Originally by: Cutie Chaser
The Veld roids look huge but it's an illusion. It's like a chick with a stuffed bra, you get a look and say "Nice!", but later when she loses the bra you get that "awwww... pooh" feeling :P
Looooool!
If you don't like it there, there are about 5 billion other boobs which you can go for.
:p
Unfortunately there's quite a bit of time invested to get to the, er, unwrapping stage, so it better to try to get a fix to the problem then to try to start over again from scratch.
If they were just as big as they looked it would be fine, but since they aren't now they are in need of a serious injection(an ore injection of course).
:), don't take the previous post to seriously tho, i was dying to reply on your post where you compared the belts visualisation with a stuffed bra, i lolled IRL on that one cuz you actually had a nipple errrrm POINT there :p .
About the issue i think most of us think the same way. Packing our stuff and leaving cuz there are bugs is just plain wrong unless you really can't survive out there.
They should have fixed a lot of bugs months sooner, one of them is the asteroid bug. Ill try to explain why in my opinion.
You even learn in the tutorial, mining is one of the key elements in the game.
Next, a bug spread this wide across a couple of regions does touch the market in a way it was not intended.
Mining is a huge earning for a lot of individuals, as its also important for huge mining operations within a corp or alliance for outposts, capital ships and all things that can turn the tide in battle.
Im not saying people aren't strong there, a lot are motivated and found ways to get what they want anyway, but a lot of time also has been lost because other ways take time and effort wich could have been spend more wise if the option was there.
Now, im crossing my fingers for the next patch, they seemed to fix our region at least, so i hope a lot of my whining will be solved with it, but don't keep your hopes up to high :p .
May we all be blessed with good fixes!
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Xelios
Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.20 02:38:00 -
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Vactet, you're not doing anyone any favours by flaming devs and demanding things be changed. The new regions have a concept that's never been tried before in EVE, and like any new concept it needs to be balanced. Most of us are just providing feedback to CCP in the hopes that the problems will be recognized and fixed, not whining on about how we're entitled to have things handed to us on a silver platter.
The new regions started off well, but the biggest problem is the only way to make isk there, the belt rats, is completely dependent on the player market for minerals. Thus if the mineral market crashes entire regions are made worthless and the alliances living there are left with a wasteland. If there were some other steady sources of income, like exploration sites, complexes or working belts, it wouldn't be so bad. But there isn't.
Considering the amount of logistics and teamwork these regions require I don't think it's too much to ask to have some good, and most importantly reliable sources of income as a reward for that effort.
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Cutie Chaser
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Posted - 2007.03.20 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Amelia Ryan
:), don't take the previous post to seriously tho, i was dying to reply on your post where you compared the belts visualisation with a stuffed bra, i lolled IRL on that one cuz you actually had a nipple errrrm POINT there :p .
About the issue i think most of us think the same way. Packing our stuff and leaving cuz there are bugs is just plain wrong unless you really can't survive out there.
They should have fixed a lot of bugs months sooner, one of them is the asteroid bug. Ill try to explain why in my opinion.
You even learn in the tutorial, mining is one of the key elements in the game.
Next, a bug spread this wide across a couple of regions does touch the market in a way it was not intended.
Mining is a huge earning for a lot of individuals, as its also important for huge mining operations within a corp or alliance for outposts, capital ships and all things that can turn the tide in battle.
Im not saying people aren't strong there, a lot are motivated and found ways to get what they want anyway, but a lot of time also has been lost because other ways take time and effort wich could have been spend more wise if the option was there.
Now, im crossing my fingers for the next patch, they seemed to fix our region at least, so i hope a lot of my whining will be solved with it, but don't keep your hopes up to high :p .
May we all be blessed with good fixes!
Yeah, I was just looking for a reason to stretch the analogy to one more post anyways :P
I pretty much gave up on getting any sort of adjustment when Ovuer showed up here in this post to say "Like the region the way it is, or GTFO". Might as well have locked the thread right there, with a giant ASCII-art middle finger for all of us expressing concerns here :P
Anyway, good luck to everyone living out in the new regions, hopefully come Tuesday you can run more then 1 cycle of Miner 2's on a Veld roid :P
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Cruel Fox
Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.20 06:05:00 -
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I will point out reall problem again so that we dont conuze ppl around:
-it is not that we dont have hawlers spawns -it is not that we dont have faction spawns -it is not that we dont have complexes -it is not that we dont have any conquerabe stations ___________________________
All previus would be NICE to have; would be GOOD to have; it is something that most of EVE have - but nevertheles if CCP thinks that new space does not get that so be it; their intentions r not ours; their thoughts r not our thoughts; their goals r not our goals...
No mater what the new space is broken and has been broken BIG time with its first day being opened:
- moon ore was not seeded @ all; once we reported it we got all blue ore in eve on moons, no yellows, after report we finally got some yellows; wont open up talk about numbers of high end moon ore - exploration being broken for 4 month now; no rewards nothing out of exploration; u cant even make it to work; yes i know they r saying they r about to fix it - but 4 month? isnt that 2 quick - ore AMOUNT in roids; ore is seeded well, there is enought of roids in belts, but there is not enought of ORE UNITS in roids; this is BIGEST NEW SPACE BUG wich has to go away.
Becouse of this bug - everything is messed up; And like i said we will c what will hapened today with their FIX; adresing does not sound like FIX to me so i am wondering what does that mean:
An asteroid seeding issue in the G5KW region has been addressed.
Any explanation? any arguments against ROIDS being BUGGED?
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Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.20 08:25:00 -
[148]
All we can do is wait and see at this point. My corp has some mining experts and career explorers that are frankly hamstrung at this point. Belt ratting is profitable, and with our corporation's organization, we've made it work to this point, although I am continually in AWE of my Industrial director...I think I would have run screaming for Rens at some of the obstacles he's overcome to keep our production lines running out here.
I've read some adapt and overcome lines and some smartass retorts in this thread...just proves that some people love to forum ho irregrardless of their lack of knowledge regarding this area my corp calls home.
---looks at the clock. We shall see soon enough if the fixes for the rocks are in.
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Bermag
Point-Zero Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.20 08:58:00 -
[149]
As I see it the two worst problems is
a) Roids not having enough of ore. That might to some extent be intentional since the new regions have all roids which is not the case in other regions (for example other regions either have Ark or Crok; not both as it is in the new regions). But some balancing is needed and I hope this will be fixed now.
b) No professional exploration sites. All the hacking/arch sites are factional of the same rat type as the region has. Possible solution for this is to have professional sites of a random type.
I can live with not having static complexes (as long as exploration sites get fixed), no hauler spawns and no faction spawns, but there should be some more fun things to do. Drone ratting get a bit boring real soon (even if it is profitable).
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Bermag
Point-Zero Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.20 08:58:00 -
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As I see it the two worst problems is
a) Roids not having enough of ore. That might to some extent be intentional since the new regions have all roids which is not the case in other regions (for example other regions either have Ark or Crok; not both as it is in the new regions). But some balancing is needed and I hope this will be fixed now.
b) No professional exploration sites. All the hacking/arch sites are factional of the same rat type as the region has. Possible solution for this is to have professional sites of a random type.
I can live with not having static complexes (as long as exploration sites get fixed), no hauler spawns and no faction spawns, but there should be some more fun things to do. Drone ratting get a bit boring real soon (even if it is profitable).
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