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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
3217
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Posted - 2017.06.14 23:52:22 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:
Let me get this straight...people are upset because they spent RL money accelerating their training on a ship that you indicate was known to be unbalanced...and when CCP about faces people should be upset.
Here is an idea: If it looks too good to be true, it probably is. Stop chasing the latest fad and go with what works.
An anecdote on this particular note:
This morning, in Slack, one of my corpmates was pitching a fit.
You see, he is sick of having his Rorquals nerfed. He has... had... two. So, he has decided to sell his rorquals and remap his SP for super-ratting.
Because that makes sense, if you're sick of being nerfed. 
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Teckos Pech
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
6675
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Posted - 2017.06.14 23:53:52 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:
Let me get this straight...people are upset because they spent RL money accelerating their training on a ship that you indicate was known to be unbalanced...and when CCP about faces people should be upset.
Here is an idea: If it looks too good to be true, it probably is. Stop chasing the latest fad and go with what works.
An anecdote on this particular note: This morning, in Slack, one of my corpmates was pitching a fit. You see, he is sick of having his Rorquals nerfed. He has... had... two. So, he has decided to sell his rorquals and remap his SP for super-ratting. Because that makes sense, if you're sick of being nerfed.
Did you show him the thread for nerfing supers? And did you tell him if that doesn't work, he'll likely face a second round of nerfs or more?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
3218
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Posted - 2017.06.15 00:14:44 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:
Let me get this straight...people are upset because they spent RL money accelerating their training on a ship that you indicate was known to be unbalanced...and when CCP about faces people should be upset.
Here is an idea: If it looks too good to be true, it probably is. Stop chasing the latest fad and go with what works.
An anecdote on this particular note: This morning, in Slack, one of my corpmates was pitching a fit. You see, he is sick of having his Rorquals nerfed. He has... had... two. So, he has decided to sell his rorquals and remap his SP for super-ratting. Because that makes sense, if you're sick of being nerfed. Did you show him the thread for nerfing supers? And did you tell him if that doesn't work, he'll likely face a second round of nerfs or more?
Of course.
There is no reasoning with the compulsion to chase the BIG THING, though.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Teckos Pech
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
6681
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Posted - 2017.06.15 04:31:09 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:
Let me get this straight...people are upset because they spent RL money accelerating their training on a ship that you indicate was known to be unbalanced...and when CCP about faces people should be upset.
Here is an idea: If it looks too good to be true, it probably is. Stop chasing the latest fad and go with what works.
An anecdote on this particular note: This morning, in Slack, one of my corpmates was pitching a fit. You see, he is sick of having his Rorquals nerfed. He has... had... two. So, he has decided to sell his rorquals and remap his SP for super-ratting. Because that makes sense, if you're sick of being nerfed. Did you show him the thread for nerfing supers? And did you tell him if that doesn't work, he'll likely face a second round of nerfs or more? Of course. There is no reasoning with the compulsion to chase the BIG THING, though.
No kidding. I tried that once with the nano HACs. After that I moved to NS and it was "Train t2 large guns". So I spent forever training T2 large guns and different racial BS. After awhile I just didn't even care what the flavor of the month was.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Ian Hestia
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2017.06.15 13:27:56 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:im pretty sure the only thing ccp took into account with the nerfs is how many new mining accounts youll open up to maintain the same isk level that your single rorqual could have mined.
this is just about forcing people to multibox more So if your employer cuts your pay, you work 2x the number of hours right?
"So if your employer cuts your pay, you work 2x the number of hours right?] LOL |
badside
Dauphin Enterprises Inc.
1
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Posted - 2017.06.15 16:01:21 -
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Let's all sell our fancy ships overpriced ships, all turn into Alphas and fly Caracals. Seriously, every time they nerf something I am just going to sell it. Yep, I might end up in a Caracal, until they eventually nerf that one too. |
Teckos Pech
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
6683
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Posted - 2017.06.15 16:06:16 -
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badside wrote:Let's all sell our fancy ships overpriced ships, all turn into Alphas and fly Caracals. Seriously, every time they nerf something I am just going to sell it. Yep, I might end up in a Caracal, until they eventually nerf that one too.
Somebody needs a nap. 
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin.
DARKNESS.
3069
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Posted - 2017.06.15 16:21:40 -
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badside wrote:Let's all sell our fancy ships overpriced ships, all turn into Alphas and fly Caracals. Seriously, every time they nerf something I am just going to sell it. Yep, I might end up in a Caracal, until they eventually nerf that one too.
Isn't CCP going to do just this with the coming RLML balance pass?
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Eligh Douglas
Row Row Fight the Power
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2017.06.15 21:22:03 -
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CCP you have just made my play time almost impossible. Now with the asteroid anomoly respawn timer changes, when I get to sit down and play eve the colossal has been mined out and by the time its due to come back my few hours of eve a night is over.
Not everyone has so much time in a day to mine constantly. You really expect me to spend my whole play time looking for a system that has a colossal? Yes I could goto the other sizes, but as its safer to mine in big groups where you can get a response group, once the colossal is depleted most rorqual pilots log or go so something else while they wait for a new colossal to spawn.
I'm sick of the bloody Rorqual nerfs CCP and I demand as a paying customer with cash that you put the timers on asteroid belts back to what they were. |
StarterrorPrime
Black Rose Fleet Systems
2
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Posted - 2017.06.16 03:28:35 -
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I feel a lot of these nerfs lately are targeting the larger alliances and coalitions while us smaller groups are getting more of a leg up, i would hate to be the ceo of the megacorps right now though. |
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Teckos Pech
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
6684
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Posted - 2017.06.16 04:36:39 -
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Eligh Douglas wrote:CCP you have just made my play time almost impossible. Now with the asteroid anomoly respawn timer changes, when I get to sit down and play eve the colossal has been mined out and by the time its due to come back my few hours of eve a night is over.
Not everyone has so much time in a day to mine constantly. You really expect me to spend my whole play time looking for a system that has a colossal? Yes I could goto the other sizes, but as its safer to mine in big groups where you can get a response group, once the colossal is depleted most rorqual pilots log or go so something else while they wait for a new colossal to spawn.
I'm sick of the bloody Rorqual nerfs CCP and I demand as a paying customer with cash that you put the timers on asteroid belts back to what they were.
Yep, mining in a rorqual is the only thing to do in game. And game balance be damned.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Eligh Douglas
Row Row Fight the Power
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2017.06.16 08:53:04 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Eligh Douglas wrote:CCP you have just made my play time almost impossible. Now with the asteroid anomoly respawn timer changes, when I get to sit down and play eve the colossal has been mined out and by the time its due to come back my few hours of eve a night is over.
Not everyone has so much time in a day tso aoomine constantly. You really expect me to spend my whole play time looking for a system that has a colossal? Yes I could goto the other sizes, but as its safer to mine in big groups where you can get a response group, once the colossal is depleted most rorqual pilots log or go so something else while they wait for a new colossal to spawn.
I'm sick of the bloody Rorqual nerfs CCP and I demand as a paying customer with cash that you put the timers on asteroid belts back to what they were. Yep, mining in a rorqual is the only thing to do in game. And game balance be damned.
For me it is yes, because that's what I trained for. I do of course have an alt for other activities, but I enjoy mining, its relaxing and helps me wind down without thinking too much. Is this not why we have alts in the first place? Besides, if you goonies didn't mine so much , ccp wouldn't have had to nerf Rorqual mining again so soon now would they? :-) |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
222
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Posted - 2017.06.16 12:33:45 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Eligh Douglas wrote:CCP you have just made my play time almost impossible. Now with the asteroid anomoly respawn timer changes, when I get to sit down and play eve the colossal has been mined out and by the time its due to come back my few hours of eve a night is over.
Not everyone has so much time in a day to mine constantly. You really expect me to spend my whole play time looking for a system that has a colossal? Yes I could goto the other sizes, but as its safer to mine in big groups where you can get a response group, once the colossal is depleted most rorqual pilots log or go so something else while they wait for a new colossal to spawn.
I'm sick of the bloody Rorqual nerfs CCP and I demand as a paying customer with cash that you put the timers on asteroid belts back to what they were. Yep, mining in a rorqual is the only thing to do in game. And game balance be damned.
What do you mean the game consists of more than Rorquals, Carriers and Super Carriers?
When did this happen?
The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.
After all we are not just players, we are customers.
Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
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Archeos
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2017.06.16 12:42:48 -
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Making the colossal spawn every 5 hours makes the rorqual obsolete.
Combined with the carrier nerfs, it just kills money making in nullsec.
Im stopping my subscription. |
April rabbit
Mosquito Squadron
The-Culture
28
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Posted - 2017.06.16 12:58:07 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:There is no reasoning with the compulsion to chase the BIG THING, though.
You know: there are games when you have no progress (outside of your personal experience and skills).
Like many FPS games (BF2, CS come to mind).
There are people who just happy to do the same in the same environment getting better and better at it. I remember my first time seeing Couter-Strike (it was 1.3 version at that point of time) and wondering "these guys can run the same map with the same teams and weapons for the whole night??? How do they don't get tired after 10 runs???"
And there are people who need to get "progress" be it new ("bigger") ships/stuff or new locations, new (harder) missions, etc...
Me personally being in the game for 7 years already have no interest in pvp in T1 frigates, destroyers, cruisers... They just too cheap for me to care. Actually i almost never try to survive being tackled and killed. I just try to assist my fleet mates as much as i can until the game is over for me.
This makes me moving towards "BIGGER STUFF". And yes, when i rat i rat in a supercarrier. Not because i NEED MUH ISK, but because lower ISK/hour i can make with my alt afking in ICE belt when i'm PvPing with my main.
All in All it's not "compulsion to chase the BIG THING" but general feel of progress when you long enough into the game. And it's sad that developers are killing all this stuff because for people like me having the same cheap activity for years just getting boring (way to exit tbh). |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
3421
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Posted - 2017.06.16 13:00:22 -
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Eligh Douglas wrote:CCP you have just made my play time almost impossible. Now with the asteroid anomoly respawn timer changes, when I get to sit down and play eve the colossal has been mined out and by the time its due to come back my few hours of eve a night is over.
Not everyone has so much time in a day to mine constantly. You really expect me to spend my whole play time looking for a system that has a colossal? Yes I could goto the other sizes, but as its safer to mine in big groups where you can get a response group, once the colossal is depleted most rorqual pilots log or go so something else while they wait for a new colossal to spawn.
I'm sick of the bloody Rorqual nerfs CCP and I demand as a paying customer with cash that you put the timers on asteroid belts back to what they were.
Not CCP's fault you are too affraid to mine in something else than a collosal... |
Teckos Pech
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
6684
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Posted - 2017.06.16 17:41:51 -
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Eligh Douglas wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Eligh Douglas wrote:CCP you have just made my play time almost impossible. Now with the asteroid anomoly respawn timer changes, when I get to sit down and play eve the colossal has been mined out and by the time its due to come back my few hours of eve a night is over.
Not everyone has so much time in a day tso aoomine constantly. You really expect me to spend my whole play time looking for a system that has a colossal? Yes I could goto the other sizes, but as its safer to mine in big groups where you can get a response group, once the colossal is depleted most rorqual pilots log or go so something else while they wait for a new colossal to spawn.
I'm sick of the bloody Rorqual nerfs CCP and I demand as a paying customer with cash that you put the timers on asteroid belts back to what they were. Yep, mining in a rorqual is the only thing to do in game. And game balance be damned. For me it is yes, because that's what I trained for. I do of course have an alt for other activities, but I enjoy mining, its relaxing and helps me wind down without thinking too much. Is this not why we have alts in the first place? Besides, if you goonies didn't mine so much , ccp wouldn't have had to nerf Rorqual mining again so soon now would they? :-)
Do you know how many times I have trained for something for it to be nerfed? First, nano-HACs, then I trainded for sniper BS, nerfed (not directly, just other things came along that rendered it a useless doctrine), drake fleet, then it was another HAC doctrine...an armor HAC that PL named something "fist", I loved sniper HACs...never see those anymore and on and on. If you insist on training for just one thing in this game, you will eventually get your turn in the barrel when it comes to nerfs and not have much in the way of other options.
Expecting other players to not utilize something in game to the fullest is foolishness, BTW. Whenever possible people mini/max, it is not a "Goon thing....". And it is also foolishness to expect other players to limit their game play so you can expand yours. And it is downright pathetic to demand that CCP do that for you.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Trevize Demerzel
107
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Posted - 2017.06.17 14:55:58 -
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Dear CCP,
General inquiry. Now that all the Colossal and Enormous belts are completely gone in my region during my Time Zone that I get to play in. Pray tell which time zone am I now required to play this game effectively in?
FU CCP. Yes FU.
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Teckos Pech
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
6686
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Posted - 2017.06.17 18:23:12 -
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Trevize Demerzel wrote:Dear CCP, General inquiry. Now that all the Colossal and Enormous belts are completely gone in my region during my Time Zone that I get to play in. Pray tell which time zone am I now required to play this game effectively in? FU CCP. Yes FU.
Have you looked into something besides mining?
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
744
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Posted - 2017.06.19 07:45:17 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Trevize Demerzel wrote:Dear CCP, General inquiry. Now that all the Colossal and Enormous belts are completely gone in my region during my Time Zone that I get to play in. Pray tell which time zone am I now required to play this game effectively in? FU CCP. Yes FU. Have you looked into something besides mining?
Why should they?
It's a stupid change driven by Fozzie and co again.
A better option would have been to reduce the number of roids spawning, or reduce the mineral content back down.
But no, they find it more fun for themselves to make it as much hassle as possible for what is basically a sedentary profession which a lot find relaxing.
Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..."
" They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."
Welcome to EVE.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
4051
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Posted - 2017.06.19 09:03:48 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:
Why should they?
It's a stupid change driven by Fozzie and co again.
A better option would have been to reduce the number of roids spawning, or reduce the mineral content back down.
But no, they find it more fun for themselves to make it as much hassle as possible for what is basically a sedentary profession which a lot find relaxing.
Which would A: Do nothing since the anom would have instantly respawned, making the amount per anom basically irrelevant & B: punished everyone including the small guy with 2 Hulks & an orca who barely manages to mine out a small in 24 hours.
So C: Put a timer on anom respawns was the solution that actually hit the right targets without nerfing the others.
Of course, there are 3 other Anom classes & all the actual Belts that they could mine in. It's not CCP's fault they won't use what's in the game. |
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
744
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Posted - 2017.06.19 13:55:26 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:
Why should they?
It's a stupid change driven by Fozzie and co again.
A better option would have been to reduce the number of roids spawning, or reduce the mineral content back down.
But no, they find it more fun for themselves to make it as much hassle as possible for what is basically a sedentary profession which a lot find relaxing.
Which would A: Do nothing since the anom would have instantly respawned, making the amount per anom basically irrelevant & B: punished everyone including the small guy with 2 Hulks & an orca who barely manages to mine out a small in 24 hours. So C: Put a timer on anom respawns was the solution that actually hit the right targets without nerfing the others. Of course, there are 3 other Anom classes & all the actual Belts that they could mine in. It's not CCP's fault they won't use what's in the game.
All that'll happen is the big Rorq and Hulk fleets will move to the other anoms like locusts, so there'll be bugger all for the small guy anyway, unless he forgets the ABC's and sticks to the normal belts.
Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..."
" They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."
Welcome to EVE.
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Teckos Pech
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
6688
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Posted - 2017.06.19 17:39:01 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Trevize Demerzel wrote:Dear CCP, General inquiry. Now that all the Colossal and Enormous belts are completely gone in my region during my Time Zone that I get to play in. Pray tell which time zone am I now required to play this game effectively in? FU CCP. Yes FU. Have you looked into something besides mining? Why should they? It's a stupid change driven by Fozzie and co again. A better option would have been to reduce the number of roids spawning, or reduce the mineral content back down. But no, they find it more fun for themselves to make it as much hassle as possible for what is basically a sedentary profession which a lot find relaxing.
So nerf everyone but yourself.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
6688
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Posted - 2017.06.19 17:40:35 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:
Why should they?
It's a stupid change driven by Fozzie and co again.
A better option would have been to reduce the number of roids spawning, or reduce the mineral content back down.
But no, they find it more fun for themselves to make it as much hassle as possible for what is basically a sedentary profession which a lot find relaxing.
Which would A: Do nothing since the anom would have instantly respawned, making the amount per anom basically irrelevant & B: punished everyone including the small guy with 2 Hulks & an orca who barely manages to mine out a small in 24 hours. So C: Put a timer on anom respawns was the solution that actually hit the right targets without nerfing the others. Of course, there are 3 other Anom classes & all the actual Belts that they could mine in. It's not CCP's fault they won't use what's in the game. All that'll happen is the big Rorq and Hulk fleets will move to the other anoms like locusts, so there'll be bugger all for the small guy anyway, unless he forgets the ABC's and sticks to the normal belts.
Then more of a nerf to rorquals is the ticket, right?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
744
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Posted - 2017.06.19 18:30:41 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:
Why should they?
It's a stupid change driven by Fozzie and co again.
A better option would have been to reduce the number of roids spawning, or reduce the mineral content back down.
But no, they find it more fun for themselves to make it as much hassle as possible for what is basically a sedentary profession which a lot find relaxing.
Which would A: Do nothing since the anom would have instantly respawned, making the amount per anom basically irrelevant & B: punished everyone including the small guy with 2 Hulks & an orca who barely manages to mine out a small in 24 hours. So C: Put a timer on anom respawns was the solution that actually hit the right targets without nerfing the others. Of course, there are 3 other Anom classes & all the actual Belts that they could mine in. It's not CCP's fault they won't use what's in the game. All that'll happen is the big Rorq and Hulk fleets will move to the other anoms like locusts, so there'll be bugger all for the small guy anyway, unless he forgets the ABC's and sticks to the normal belts. Then more of a nerf to rorquals is the ticket, right?
That's not what I meant or inferred, IF you have a colossal in system it's blatantly obvious that they'll move belts while they wait for the respawn, or do you think they'll log off and wait?
Even if the system only has an enormous, the fleet will still shoulder the small guys out of the way in the other anoms after they strip it.
But hey, gratz to Delve for forcing the nerf by mining close to 25% of all the minerals mined in EVE, really, great job.
Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..."
" They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."
Welcome to EVE.
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Teckos Pech
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
6690
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Posted - 2017.06.19 19:27:45 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:
That's not what I meant or inferred, IF you have a colossal in system it's blatantly obvious that they'll move belts while they wait for the respawn, or do you think they'll log off and wait?
Even if the system only has an enormous, the fleet will still shoulder the small guys out of the way in the other anoms after they strip it.
But hey, gratz to Delve for forcing the nerf by mining close to 25% of all the minerals mined in EVE, really, great job.
You really are not looking at this issue clearly.
First off, what has been happening to mineral prices since last may? Spare us the "Grrr goons" stuff as it just makes you look stupid.
Second, based on what you are seeing for mineral prices what might be a good way to address what is going on?
Why did the MPI (Mineral Price Index) go up so much between the March and the April 2015 MERs? Why did it decline?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
744
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Posted - 2017.06.20 06:41:13 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:
That's not what I meant or inferred, IF you have a colossal in system it's blatantly obvious that they'll move belts while they wait for the respawn, or do you think they'll log off and wait?
Even if the system only has an enormous, the fleet will still shoulder the small guys out of the way in the other anoms after they strip it.
But hey, gratz to Delve for forcing the nerf by mining close to 25% of all the minerals mined in EVE, really, great job.
You really are not looking at this issue clearly. First off, what has been happening to mineral prices since last may? Spare us the "Grrr goons" stuff as it just makes you look stupid. Second, based on what you are seeing for mineral prices what might be a good way to address what is going on? Why did the MPI (Mineral Price Index) go up so much between the March and the April 2015 MERs? Why did it decline?
First it's not really a grrr goons post, but it's obvious where a stupid amount of mining is going on, probably with some pretty big perma fleets. As for looking stupid, you're the biggest "Fozzie fan boi" on here that's calling someone else out for pointing out your alliance as a cause of the issues...yeah ok.
Secondly, reduce the mineral content back down, no it won't stop the fleets, but it would drastically reduce the amount available once again in Null and force them to go buy from HS again where the compressed ore market is now garbage. That might just reverse the downward trend....maybe. As for the MPI, well if you get off on spreadsheets good for you.
As for the Rorquals, I have never been a believer in nerfing ships that guys have trained a long time for simply because of overuse..
This whole mess has come about by wanting ships on grid, ships that were never designed to be on grid as boosters/haulers/compressors etc, they were always meant to work in the background, not the front line.
Lastly, kill off skill injectors. The ability to make instant miners/fleets has obviously become an issue.
Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..."
" They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."
Welcome to EVE.
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Teckos Pech
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
6696
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Posted - 2017.06.20 07:14:57 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:
That's not what I meant or inferred, IF you have a colossal in system it's blatantly obvious that they'll move belts while they wait for the respawn, or do you think they'll log off and wait?
Even if the system only has an enormous, the fleet will still shoulder the small guys out of the way in the other anoms after they strip it.
But hey, gratz to Delve for forcing the nerf by mining close to 25% of all the minerals mined in EVE, really, great job.
You really are not looking at this issue clearly. First off, what has been happening to mineral prices since last may? Spare us the "Grrr goons" stuff as it just makes you look stupid. Second, based on what you are seeing for mineral prices what might be a good way to address what is going on? Why did the MPI (Mineral Price Index) go up so much between the March and the April 2015 MERs? Why did it decline? First it's not really a grrr goons post, but it's obvious where a stupid amount of mining is going on, probably with some pretty big perma fleets. As for looking stupid, you're the biggest "Fozzie fan boi" on here that's calling someone else out for pointing out your alliance as a cause of the issues...yeah ok. Secondly, reduce the mineral content back down, no it won't stop the fleets, but it would drastically reduce the amount available once again in Null and force them to go buy from HS again where the compressed ore market is now garbage. That might just reverse the downward trend....maybe. As for the MPI, well if you get off on spreadsheets good for you. As for the Rorquals, I have never been a believer in nerfing ships that guys have trained a long time for simply because of overuse.. This whole mess has come about by wanting ships on grid, ships that were never designed to be on grid as boosters/haulers/compressors etc, they were always meant to work in the background, not the front line. Lastly, kill off skill injectors. The ability to make instant miners/fleets has obviously become an issue.
Here is what happened. When looking at the expansions right before the MPI went up CCP changed the composition of asteroids and also the blueprint requirements for megacyte and zydrine. Then CCP buffed mining ships and the prices tanked. The trajectory of mineral prices is downwards.
CCP is deciding the address the issue via changes to respawn rates. You don't like that, but as has been pointed out your suggested fixes do literally noting. So what is left....nerfing the ships that caused the problem in the first place. But you don't like that either.
Now you are grasping at skill injectors. But how does that work? It doesn't really. If something is imbalanced like a ship or ships, all skill injectors do is accelerate the process they are not the cause of the problem.
In short you have nothing here. Not even "Goons did it," because Goons were not mining very much in June, July and August back when the MPI was falling initially. They were busy moving and setting up home in Delve.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Xayder
Infinitum Cartel
Stella Nova
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Are this changes deployed or not yet ?
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2017.06.20 16:42:12 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:
First it's not really a grrr goons post, but it's obvious where a stupid amount of mining is going on, probably with some pretty big perma fleets. As for looking stupid, you're the biggest "Fozzie fan boi" on here that's calling someone else out for pointing out your alliance as a cause of the issues...yeah ok.
It's hard to adequately describe how myopic the, "It's YOUR alliance's fault!" nonsense actually is.
It's their fault for... what, exactly?
Being a large organization?
Utilizing powerful gameplay options at scale?
What are they supposed to do, exactly? Sit back and say, "Wow, this is REALLY OP, we won't use it en masse because then it will be nerfed and make other people sad!"
They're not causing the issue. The game mechanics are causing the issue. At worst, they've merely illustrated why it's an issue.
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