Originally by: Belmarduk

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Originally by: Danorium
if i select a 3 day skill it has nothing to do with planning but just with keep a skill going.
or i guess you only log in once a week.
well maybe try X3 reunion there is no skill training in that game[/quote

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No offense mate but I think its priceless when a Newbie gives me tips about trying a different game because of the skill-system
I have about 36 mio SP now after playing since beginning of 2006 and I have 10,15,20 ? skills that would take longer than a week - I even have a few skills which would take 30 days+ BUT
I still want a skill-queue !!!
Why? *sigh* I have mentioned it before in this thread at someplace ( PLEASE read through the WHOLE thread before giving answers like this..)

1.When you have many long skills and keep only learning those skills there will come a time when you will run out of long skills fast ! Especiouly when you are skilling towards a certain goal eg. Carrier
2. Logging on JUST to switch skills is a STUPID and UNNECCESSARY load on the servers which are often at there limit as it is !!!!
3. I am PAYING for playing and skilling so I would like to choose if and when I go online (DEACTIVATE SKILLTRAINING FROM INACTIVE ACCOUNTS !!!!!!!) sorry capkey got stuck
4.Eve¦s skillsystem in comparison to other games is built and designed that YOU MUST SKILL ALL THE TIME to NOT waste time. Its only gives you content not highendpower !
It takes you literally months/years to be able to be "highend" (Which I like about the skillsystem in EVE BUT as I said you are forced to be skilling at ALL TIMES !
In other games you can level up to highend in a few weeks (WoW - *pukes*)
5. There are often unforseen issues where you cant log in to change a skill (RL,unscheduled Downtimes,isp-issues etc etc)
6.A skillqueue has been on the drawing board for ages - What the hell is it with it?
7.I would safley say about 80% - 90% of the players activley WANT a skill-queue !
8.I have myself heard from new players that quit after trial that they dont like the way they are forced to log in just for changing skills AND vets who quit partly because they played less and because they got ****ed off about changing skills all the time said "Ok I will quit completly - No point it keeping account alive if I only now and then start a skill to run out half the time"
9.I had more valid reasons but cant think of them now as I am at work (If ATLEAST one could change skills via webpage......)
Greetings Belmarduk

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Well said mate, and spot on.

DEV's Please take note of the above points in why we need a skill-queue.

Originally by: Kusha'an

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Originally by: Matterick Boon

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that would help character farmers even more. they would just need one cheap computer that just needs to load a browsers. just give some kid a list of all skills and pay him 60 cents an hour to manager hundereds of characters via the website. genius idea cassanunda.
if it's going to benefit you it's going to benefit farmers 100 times more. regardless of what "security" measures you take they will find ways around it. farming this game is their way of life.
CCP or anyone else for that matter really don't care if you missed a few hours of training due to being at work or whatever. as many people on here suggested go play a game where you have to grind to skill up. you don't see people on those games begging for bots to play for them while they are at work do you? be grateful for what you already have or go somewhere else.

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Follow your post to its logical conclusion. Punishing real game players for the sins of the farmers is not helpful. As you say, they're gonna benefit no matter what, and they're gonna cheat no matter what. So there's nothing that can be done about it anyway. So help out the real players who actually pay the bills.

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Originally by: Belmarduk

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Originally by: Danorium
if i select a 3 day skill it has nothing to do with planning but just with keep a skill going.
or i guess you only log in once a week.
well maybe try X3 reunion there is no skill training in that game[/quote

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No offense mate but I think its priceless when a Newbie gives me tips about trying a different game because of the skill-system
I have about 36 mio SP now after playing since beginning of 2006 and I have 10,15,20 ? skills that would take longer than a week - I even have a few skills which would take 30 days+ BUT
I still want a skill-queue !!!
Why? *sigh* I have mentioned it before in this thread at someplace ( PLEASE read through the WHOLE thread before giving answers like this..)

2. Logging on JUST to switch skills is a STUPID and UNNECCESSARY load on the servers which are often at there limit as it is !!!!
3. I am PAYING for playing and skilling so I would like to choose if and when I go online (DEACTIVATE SKILLTRAINING FROM INACTIVE ACCOUNTS !!!!!!!) sorry capkey got stuck
4.Eve¦s skillsystem in comparison to other games is built and designed that YOU MUST SKILL ALL THE TIME to NOT waste time. Its only gives you content not highendpower !
It takes you literally months/years to be able to be "highend" (Which I like about the skillsystem in EVE BUT as I said you are forced to be skilling at ALL TIMES !
In other games you can level up to highend in a few weeks (WoW - *pukes*)

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the trade off for skilling up while offline is tha5t you must login for a new skill to be trained. this has been like this since year dot for eve.

as for months or years to high end one self is utter bull****e!
I am pure amarr specced. almost 31m sp and i aint even 2 years old chr wise. its not how the game mechanics benifit you, its how you benifit the game as a whole.

while i am not able to play eve till late july at the worste I am still able to login and do skill changes at least. I am presently doing Commandships to lvl V, i know THIS skill finishes around 3 am for my TZ, so just before downtime I am going to swtich to Medium beam spec V.
with luck this skill will finish in the evening.. if not i can then CHOOSE a lower rank skill i need doen that will bring it into my "normal" game time. then i will finish off these two skills that are nearly done.

to be honest. I find it more of a pain to do short skill trains lol.
I ACTUALLY look forward to long skill trains.

infact. i might just as my last act before i rejion eve is learn Maruaders V as its not an overly long skill train for me,36 days'ish.

so i now have 4-5 months of skill up my chr. i reckon around july 6 i will be somewhat 36m+ sp

so my advice to you is...

got to your Loyaty point store, cash in your LP's buy 14.7 trillion matches, 23.012 tonnes of glue, 4 hectres of land in the shape of a valley then... BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET OVER IT!
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WTT - Machariel BPC, For a Paladin Contact me ingame.

Originally by: Ogdru Jahad

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the trade off for skilling up while offline is tha5t you must login for a new skill to be trained. this has been like this since year dot for eve.

as for months or years to high end one self is utter bull****e!
I am pure amarr specced. almost 31m sp and i aint even 2 years old chr wise. its not how the game mechanics benifit you, its how you benifit the game as a whole.

while i am not able to play eve till late july at the worste I am still able to login and do skill changes at least. I am presently doing Commandships to lvl V, i know THIS skill finishes around 3 am for my TZ, so just before downtime I am going to swtich to Medium beam spec V.
with luck this skill will finish in the evening.. if not i can then CHOOSE a lower rank skill i need doen that will bring it into my "normal" game time. then i will finish off these two skills that are nearly done.

to be honest. I find it more of a pain to do short skill trains lol.
I ACTUALLY look forward to long skill trains.

infact. i might just as my last act before i rejion eve is learn Maruaders V as its not an overly long skill train for me,36 days'ish.

so i now have 4-5 months of skill up my chr. i reckon around july 6 i will be somewhat 36m+ sp

so my advice to you is...

got to your Loyaty point store, cash in your LP's buy 14.7 trillion matches, 23.012 tonnes of glue, 4 hectres of land in the shape of a valley then... BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET OVER IT!

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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad

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Originally by: Belmarduk

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Originally by: Danorium
if i select a 3 day skill it has nothing to do with planning but just with keep a skill going.
or i guess you only log in once a week.
well maybe try X3 reunion there is no skill training in that game[/quote

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No offense mate but I think its priceless when a Newbie gives me tips about trying a different game because of the skill-system
I have about 36 mio SP now after playing since beginning of 2006 and I have 10,15,20 ? skills that would take longer than a week - I even have a few skills which would take 30 days+ BUT
I still want a skill-queue !!!
Why? *sigh* I have mentioned it before in this thread at someplace ( PLEASE read through the WHOLE thread before giving answers like this..)

2. Logging on JUST to switch skills is a STUPID and UNNECCESSARY load on the servers which are often at there limit as it is !!!!
3. I am PAYING for playing and skilling so I would like to choose if and when I go online (DEACTIVATE SKILLTRAINING FROM INACTIVE ACCOUNTS !!!!!!!) sorry capkey got stuck
4.Eve¦s skillsystem in comparison to other games is built and designed that YOU MUST SKILL ALL THE TIME to NOT waste time. Its only gives you content not highendpower !
It takes you literally months/years to be able to be "highend" (Which I like about the skillsystem in EVE BUT as I said you are forced to be skilling at ALL TIMES !
In other games you can level up to highend in a few weeks (WoW - *pukes*)

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the trade off for skilling up while offline is tha5t you must login for a new skill to be trained. this has been like this since year dot for eve.

as for months or years to high end one self is utter bull****e!
I am pure amarr specced. almost 31m sp and i aint even 2 years old chr wise. its not how the game mechanics benifit you, its how you benifit the game as a whole.

while i am not able to play eve till late july at the worste I am still able to login and do skill changes at least. I am presently doing Commandships to lvl V, i know THIS skill finishes around 3 am for my TZ, so just before downtime I am going to swtich to Medium beam spec V.
with luck this skill will finish in the evening.. if not i can then CHOOSE a lower rank skill i need doen that will bring it into my "normal" game time. then i will finish off these two skills that are nearly done.

to be honest. I find it more of a pain to do short skill trains lol.
I ACTUALLY look forward to long skill trains.

infact. i might just as my last act before i rejion eve is learn Maruaders V as its not an overly long skill train for me,36 days'ish.

so i now have 4-5 months of skill up my chr. i reckon around july 6 i will be somewhat 36m+ sp

so my advice to you is...

got to your Loyaty point store, cash in your LP's buy 14.7 trillion matches, 23.012 tonnes of glue, 4 hectres of land in the shape of a valley then... BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET OVER IT!

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Ogdru, I see what you're saying but it still doesn't help the fact that those people that are casual players would like other meants to either select a new skill via the eve-online website or be able to queue up a skill. Ie. a skill they need to train and a long skill so when the 1st skill finishes it continues to train the second. Then when you login you can change the skill you want. That way you don't loose any skill training time.

Over the last week / 2 weeks I have lost atleast 6 - 10 hours per day by day basis. Ie. Intermitent server down time, can't change the next skill to train because of either ISP issues, or just unavailable because of RL, etc...etc...

A sensible thing to do is to give those players like myself and there are many to be able to login to eve-online and change a skill train "if at work", and to be able to queue up a skill. If the Devs don't like queueing up skills then let the same skill continue to train after a level is complete. That way it will continue to train all the way to lvl 5.

Originally by: 1Commando1

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Edited by: 1Commando1 on 05/03/2008 19:47:44
Edited by: 1Commando1 on 05/03/2008 19:45:14
And no, you wont be able to train those skills after your account subscription expires ie. It's disabled.

So I don't see a problem with it and MORE of a benefit to those casual eve players that cannot plan a game around their life.

I've actually stoped playing Eve for a year because I just couldn't cope with planing things with "things in life already happening".

It's easy for those 10 - 18 yr olds that don't have jobs, that go to school, and that live with their momy and dady... :P

It's different when you're out in life, working full time, and have a family of your own. etc...

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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad

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personally i dont like it lol. I see the advantages, but too easy.

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Originally by: Sue Mee

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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad

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personally i dont like it lol. I see the advantages, but too easy.

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too easy? what? like auto repeat on weapons? like the starmap statistics? like having a graphic interface instead of a space based MUD?

what you mean easy?

we do not want free progression. we just want to be inmune to server diseases. and for that, 1 skill queue would be enough

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Originally by: Onno Quist

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why is it so hard for a company to be a bit more playerfriendly?

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Originally by: GTFO Tinks

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If the devs are not willing to let you queue up even 1 skill, being able to manage the skill tree from the website would be great, not many people are able to have copies of the client at work for e.g. or like myself atm my son is bashing away at another game on the desktop pc, i'm stuck on a crappy old laptop that won't run the game.

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Originally by: Sue Mee

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Originally by: GTFO Tinks

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If the devs are not willing to let you queue up even 1 skill, being able to manage the skill tree from the website would be great, not many people are able to have copies of the client at work for e.g. or like myself atm my son is bashing away at another game on the desktop pc, i'm stuck on a crappy old laptop that won't run the game.

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while i understand what you are saying, being able to change skills trough the web wouldnt solve the biggest problem we have now: unexpected server downtimes.

since the web is currently so tied up to the server, if the server goes down, so does the web, so we would be again stuck with a skill training for 20 minutes and then loose training time.

that is why a 1 skill queue is a superior solution.

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Originally by: Ethan Joznin

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I'm very opposed to a skill queue of any type. A skill queue is a reward for laziness and the current skill system rewards players who are able to invest a little time (and more importantly forethought) in the game. It sounds like a lot of people just want to set a queue, walk off for a few weeks, and come back flying HACs and marauders. Personally, I feel a much stronger sense of community knowing that everyone else out there has probably set a 3am alarm to finish up that last skill you need to fly a T2 ship.

Also, a skill queue that lets you queue 1 skill simply opens the door for one that lets you queue 2, or 3, or 4 skills. The same problems people are complaining about now still exist with a queue for a single skill.

Besides, if some of you are such casual players with such demanding real lives, then why are you worried about the skill progress of an imaginary character in an imaginary universe?

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Originally by: Ethan Joznin

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I'm very opposed to a skill queue of any type. A skill queue is a reward for laziness and the current skill system rewards players who are able to invest a little time (and more importantly forethought) in the game. It sounds like a lot of people just want to set a queue, walk off for a few weeks, and come back flying HACs and marauders. Personally, I feel a much stronger sense of community knowing that everyone else out there has probably set a 3am alarm to finish up that last skill you need to fly a T2 ship.

Also, a skill queue that lets you queue 1 skill simply opens the door for one that lets you queue 2, or 3, or 4 skills. The same problems people are complaining about now still exist with a queue for a single skill.

Besides, if some of you are such casual players with such demanding real lives, then why are you worried about the skill progress of an imaginary character in an imaginary universe?

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Originally by: Malena

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Dear God,
Please let this thread die. Please. Please. I've been decent to my fellows, and I don't ask for much. But please let this thread die and let the whiners find something else to go on about.

On second thought, let the thread keep going but force all the whiners to go here instead of finding something else. At least then I can go back to ignoring this one thread instead of having to wonder if there is a legitimate logical suggestion somewhere in all of them.

Thanks,

Malena

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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad

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Originally by: Belmarduk

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Originally by: Danorium
if i select a 3 day skill it has nothing to do with planning but just with keep a skill going.
or i guess you only log in once a week.
well maybe try X3 reunion there is no skill training in that game[/quote

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No offense mate but I think its priceless when a Newbie gives me tips about trying a different game because of the skill-system
I have about 36 mio SP now after playing since beginning of 2006 and I have 10,15,20 ? skills that would take longer than a week - I even have a few skills which would take 30 days+ BUT
I still want a skill-queue !!!
Why? *sigh* I have mentioned it before in this thread at someplace ( PLEASE read through the WHOLE thread before giving answers like this..)

2. Logging on JUST to switch skills is a STUPID and UNNECCESSARY load on the servers which are often at there limit as it is !!!!
3. I am PAYING for playing and skilling so I would like to choose if and when I go online (DEACTIVATE SKILLTRAINING FROM INACTIVE ACCOUNTS !!!!!!!) sorry capkey got stuck
4.Eve¦s skillsystem in comparison to other games is built and designed that YOU MUST SKILL ALL THE TIME to NOT waste time. Its only gives you content not highendpower !
It takes you literally months/years to be able to be "highend" (Which I like about the skillsystem in EVE BUT as I said you are forced to be skilling at ALL TIMES !
In other games you can level up to highend in a few weeks (WoW - *pukes*)

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the trade off for skilling up while offline is tha5t you must login for a new skill to be trained. this has been like this since year dot for eve.

as for months or years to high end one self is utter bull****e!
I am pure amarr specced. almost 31m sp and i aint even 2 years old chr wise. its not how the game mechanics benifit you, its how you benifit the game as a whole.

while i am not able to play eve till late july at the worste I am still able to login and do skill changes at least. I am presently doing Commandships to lvl V, i know THIS skill finishes around 3 am for my TZ, so just before downtime I am going to swtich to Medium beam spec V.
with luck this skill will finish in the evening.. if not i can then CHOOSE a lower rank skill i need doen that will bring it into my "normal" game time. then i will finish off these two skills that are nearly done.

to be honest. I find it more of a pain to do short skill trains lol.
I ACTUALLY look forward to long skill trains.

infact. i might just as my last act before i rejion eve is learn Maruaders V as its not an overly long skill train for me,36 days'ish.

so i now have 4-5 months of skill up my chr. i reckon around july 6 i will be somewhat 36m+ sp

so my advice to you is...

got to your Loyaty point store, cash in your LP's buy 14.7 trillion matches, 23.012 tonnes of glue, 4 hectres of land in the shape of a valley then... BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET OVER IT!

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Well i partialy aggre with you, but its not easy sometime manage skills. You donr have unlimited number of skills at lvl 4 whitch takes days or even weeks to train (and even those often tend to end at your wrong time), thing is most of the time you have to deal with skills taking just few min or hours and i dont know how you, but i am spending 9h+ each day at work and 6h+ in bed and that means 2/3 of day you cant log into game to change skills and even more if you have familly, child or girlfriend.
I dont want to count how many times my skill ended just on downtime or how many times i had to ask my friends to change my skills (and they did to ask me).
Just 1 Slot for skill queue would realy help with all of this.