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Edgar Loke
Knights with Honor Invictus Imperium
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Posted - 2008.04.07 14:06:00 -
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Perhaps allow the queue system for low characters, say their first 14 days or something like that. Allow one aditional item to be queued and beyond the 14 days (or X number of skill points) and then disable the system. That would make it easier for new folks to get in, and still provide what the game has for longer playing folks.
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Kusha'an
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Posted - 2008.04.07 14:48:00 -
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I'll give an example of how inefficient the current system is.
Let's say you want to upgrade your gunnery dps. So you buy all the requisite gun skills and train them to level 2.
Now you have, say, 6 or 7 skills, each of which will take approx 7-8 hours to train to level 3.
Say you get home from work at 5:30 and are in bed by 11 pm. That's 6.5 hours per skill. So you train sharpshooting for 6.5 hours and then go to bed, having set a long skill. The next day after work you finish sharpshooting and start with controlled bursts. You switch to a long skill again and go to bed. The next day (day 3) after work you finish controlled bursts and start on surgical strike. Again you go to bed after setting another long skill. You finish surgical strike the 4th day.
4 days, 3 skills, part of a long skill trained.
Skill que:
You set sharpshooting when you get home and then controlled bursts as queued skill. The next day both are finished. Then you set surgical strike and queue up trajectory analysis. The next day both skills are finished.
2 days, 4 short skills, no long skill trained.
Result: Your goal is reached, gunnery dps increased in less time. This equals more fun, and faster.
Originally by: welsh wizard stupid falcon pilots uncloak all the time coz they think they need to surface for air.
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Achran Dexx
CompleXion Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.07 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Achran Dexx on 07/04/2008 15:02:51
Originally by: Kusha'an Edited by: Kusha''an on 07/04/2008 13:16:49
Originally by: Achran Dexx
I've been playing for about a month now and I believe you guys are really, really ****** up.
You really believe this, noob? That the thousands of people who work full time jobs and don't want to be punished for the actions of isk farmers are "really, really ****ed up?"
I guess in your delusional, narcissistic world, anyone who thinks anything that isn't perfectly aligned with your extreme views is "really, really ****ed up."
You, sir, sound like a wacko.
You make it sound like I don't have a job. But unless you whiners, I don't care if I lose some time. I don't care if I have to get another skill that doesn't make me benefit faster. EVE does not offer instant or fast gratification. EVE is a cold, harsh place, nobody cares. Oh yeah, compliments on using the word 'noob'. I believe the word you are looking for is 'newb' or 'newbie'.
Originally by: Kusha'an I'll give an example of how inefficient the current system is.
Let's say you want to upgrade your gunnery dps. So you buy all the requisite gun skills and train them to level 2.
Now you have, say, 6 or 7 skills, each of which will take approx 7-8 hours to train to level 3.
Say you get home from work at 5:30 and are in bed by 11 pm. That's 6.5 hours per skill. So you train sharpshooting for 6.5 hours and then go to bed, having set a long skill. The next day after work you finish sharpshooting and start with controlled bursts. You switch to a long skill again and go to bed. The next day (day 3) after work you finish controlled bursts and start on surgical strike. Again you go to bed after setting another long skill. You finish surgical strike the 4th day.
4 days, 3 skills, part of a long skill trained.
Skill que:
You set sharpshooting when you get home and then controlled bursts as queued skill. The next day both are finished. Then you set surgical strike and queue up trajectory analysis. The next day both skills are finished.
2 days, 4 short skills, no long skill trained.
Result: Your goal is reached, gunnery dps increased in less time. This equals more fun, and faster.
Yet again, nobody cares. If you know you are going to lose time, you train a DIFFERENT SKILL. There, problem solved. You lose what? Seven, eight hours of your 'more fun and faster' gunnery DPS, but you don't lose skill time. There are literally TONS of people who play daily, who have jobs (amongst them, me) and manage to overcome that problem by simply training ANOTHER (useful) skill. But you don't see them complain, eh? I've said it before in a different thread: work with the tools that you are given.
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Belmarduk
de Prieure
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Posted - 2008.04.07 18:06:00 -
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1. Who the hell are you? 2. You are calling many people (also many vets) whiners ? 3. After one month you REALLY know the game eh? 4. Read the whole bloody thread before posting drizzle - There are many of the reasons for a single-skill skill-queue posted and EXPLAINED why it is needed ! 5. Good day Mr Newbie/Noob/Newb CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
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Apertotes
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Posted - 2008.04.07 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Achran Dexx
Yet again, nobody cares.
wow, nobody wrote 18 pages already. must be quite a surprising nobody.
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Achran Dexx
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Posted - 2008.04.07 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Apertotes
Originally by: Achran Dexx
Yet again, nobody cares.
wow, nobody wrote 18 pages already. must be quite a surprising nobody.
If even half a percent of the eve community would want a queue, this thread would be over a hundred pages.
Originally by: Belmarduk CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
I'm a casual player, and I don't want a queue.
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Apertotes
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Achran Dexx
Originally by: Apertotes
Originally by: Achran Dexx
Yet again, nobody cares.
wow, nobody wrote 18 pages already. must be quite a surprising nobody.
If even half a percent of the eve community would want a queue, this thread would be over a hundred pages.
wow, you are a genius at statistics
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Kusha'an
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:09:00 -
[518]
Edited by: Kusha''an on 07/04/2008 20:09:22
Originally by: Achran Dexx
Originally by: Apertotes
Originally by: Achran Dexx
Yet again, nobody cares.
wow, nobody wrote 18 pages already. must be quite a surprising nobody.
If even half a percent of the eve community would want a queue, this thread would be over a hundred pages.
Wrong. You're assuming that all the people who care have the time to post on the forums. And you are a newb, a newbie, a noob, and an a-hole. And I never suggested that you don't have a job, that was your paranoid schizophrenia acting up again. Go take your meds and stop flaming like an idiot.
Originally by: welsh wizard stupid falcon pilots uncloak all the time coz they think they need to surface for air.
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Kusha'an
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Apertotes
Originally by: Achran Dexx
Originally by: Apertotes
Originally by: Achran Dexx
Yet again, nobody cares.
wow, nobody wrote 18 pages already. must be quite a surprising nobody.
If even half a percent of the eve community would want a queue, this thread would be over a hundred pages.
wow, you are a genius at statistics
Yeah, he doesn't have a clue. Even assuming 40,000 players, half a percent would be 200 people. So his statement would only be true if each page held 2 posts.
Originally by: welsh wizard stupid falcon pilots uncloak all the time coz they think they need to surface for air.
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Ogdru Jahad
Timetravel Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:36:00 -
[520]
my final word on the matter is...
SKILL QUE IS A WASTE OF GAME MECHANICS! itr will cause heaps of problems.
ALWAYS traina long skill when you sleep or goto work/school. -
Wanted To Sell - Guardian Angel Standing 2k isk per 1 LP
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gr7hug
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Posted - 2008.04.08 00:30:00 -
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IMHO this feature should have been introduced 1 year after launch.
gives non-vets a break. Lets face it, if you are above 20m skillpoints and you have need for a queue (aside from extenuating circumstances) you have just managed your training poorly.
I think being able to set a backup skill would be REALLY nice.
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Carmine Morgan
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Posted - 2008.04.08 08:29:00 -
[522]
1 skill queue would be a really good addition to skill training system. Chaotic Order Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Morrigu Storm
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Posted - 2008.04.08 09:52:00 -
[523]
I want a queue system.
Can't see why ppl raise so many objections about it tbfh!
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Apertotes
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.08 15:38:00 -
[524]
Originally by: Ogdru Jahad my final word on the matter
good.
and please, all those know-it-all that say train a long skill when sleeping and short skill etc etc etc... shut up, we all know that. you are not smarter than the rest. but, unfortunately, there is this thing called UNEXPECTED and UNSCHEDULED server downtimes that may caught on you with a 10 minute skill training and make you loose lots of hours.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH A 1 SKILL QUEUE.
ps: those that say it would benefit farmers... yes, just like mining lasers autorepeating. should we nerf them too?
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ttkr
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Posted - 2008.04.09 09:57:00 -
[525]
So... Any official reply from dev team on this topic?
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Apertotes
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.09 14:33:00 -
[526]
Originally by: ttkr So... Any official reply from dev team on this topic?
devs ignore this topic like the plague. you'll only find old quotes (+2 year old) saying that there would never ever be a skill queue. but some months later they added it to the designboard, and since then, not a single word on the issue.
i think that CCP believes that the slower we train, the more money we expend on this game.
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padraig animal
Minmatar MisFunk Inc. Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.04.09 15:13:00 -
[527]
Edited by: padraig animal on 09/04/2008 15:13:54
Originally by: padraig animal http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/plannedfeat.asp
Quote:
Skill Training - Queue or Dual training
This could enable players to either queue skills so that when one level finishes the next level in that skill starts training automatically, or another preset skill starts training automatically. Dual training would enable you to have a primary long-term skill in training with a secondary short-term skill sharing the training time. After a level in the secondary skill has trained, the primary skill trains at full speed again.
It's still on the drawing board ,for me i don't need it but if they ever implant it i would use it why not
[i]btw i guess 90% of who are posting haven't even searched for it ... anyway my first reply was 2007.07.25 ... ;)
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Achran Dexx
Caldari CompleXion Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.09 21:33:00 -
[528]
Originally by: Apertotes
Originally by: ttkr So... Any official reply from dev team on this topic?
devs ignore this topic like the plague. you'll only find old quotes (+2 year old) saying that there would never ever be a skill queue. but some months later they added it to the designboard, and since then, not a single word on the issue.
i think that CCP believes that the slower we train, the more money we expend on this game.
Boo ******* hoo. The skill queue wasn't there when you subscribed for this game, and it still isn't. If you don't want to pay, cancel your subscription.
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Apertotes
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.09 22:15:00 -
[529]
Originally by: Achran Dexx
Originally by: Apertotes
Originally by: ttkr So... Any official reply from dev team on this topic?
devs ignore this topic like the plague. you'll only find old quotes (+2 year old) saying that there would never ever be a skill queue. but some months later they added it to the designboard, and since then, not a single word on the issue.
i think that CCP believes that the slower we train, the more money we expend on this game.
Boo ******* hoo. The skill queue wasn't there when you subscribed for this game, and it still isn't. If you don't want to pay, cancel your subscription.
thanks for the free bump. this topic is not exposed enough
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr laloutre Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.10 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Apertotes
Originally by: Achran Dexx
Originally by: Apertotes
Originally by: ttkr So... Any official reply from dev team on this topic?
devs ignore this topic like the plague. you'll only find old quotes (+2 year old) saying that there would never ever be a skill queue. but some months later they added it to the designboard, and since then, not a single word on the issue.
i think that CCP believes that the slower we train, the more money we expend on this game.
Boo ******* hoo. The skill queue wasn't there when you subscribed for this game, and it still isn't. If you don't want to pay, cancel your subscription.
thanks for the free bump. this topic is not exposed enough
Thanks for proving my point, idiot. You can't even come up with a valid response anymore, thread closed.
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Kusha'an
Gallente Equinox Industrial Co.
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Posted - 2008.04.10 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx Thanks for proving my point, idiot. You can't even come up with a valid response anymore, thread closed.
That's funny, I don't see "Moderator" under your name, poser.
So if they decide to give us a skill queue, do we have YOUR word that you will never use it, Oh wise sage Eve superplayer? After all, supermagnificos like you don't need upgrades to the game to win EVE, do they?
Originally by: welsh wizard stupid falcon pilots uncloak all the time coz they think they need to surface for air.
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Gil sArne
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Posted - 2008.04.11 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Gil sArne on 11/04/2008 10:44:48
Originally by: Mr Friendly Not again
Eve is lucky enough to HAVE an offline training mode... however, we are supposed to log in every now and again... it encourages game immersion, forming bonds and CARING
But if you forget or are unable to change your skill because of some reason or another it promotes detatchment and a feeling of "Oh Crap". My skill will finish in about 30 minutes and unfortunatly I'm at work and there is nothing I can do to change my skill queue.
Originally by: Achran Dexx
Boo ******* hoo. The skill queue wasn't there when you subscribed for this game, and it still isn't. If you don't want to pay, cancel your subscription.
Good idea, thanks.
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padraig animal
Minmatar MisFunk Inc. Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.04.11 13:52:00 -
[533]
Originally by: Achran Dexx
Boo ******* hoo. The skill queue wasn't there when you subscribed for this game, and it still isn't. If you don't want to pay, cancel your subscription.
Good idea, thanks.
You quit ? can i have your stuff ?
Well about lucky the train when offline ,if not the whole training schedule would be different so imo not really something to compare .
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Kusha'an
Gallente Equinox Industrial Co.
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Posted - 2008.04.11 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: padraig animal
Well about lucky the train when offline ,if not the whole training schedule would be different so imo not really something to compare .
???
Is English your third language?
Originally by: welsh wizard stupid falcon pilots uncloak all the time coz they think they need to surface for air.
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Achran Dexx
Caldari CompleXion Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:59:00 -
[535]
Originally by: Gil sArne Edited by: Gil sArne on 11/04/2008 10:44:48
Originally by: Mr Friendly Not again
Eve is lucky enough to HAVE an offline training mode... however, we are supposed to log in every now and again... it encourages game immersion, forming bonds and CARING
But if you forget or are unable to change your skill because of some reason or another it promotes detatchment and a feeling of "Oh Crap". My skill will finish in about 30 minutes and unfortunatly I'm at work and there is nothing I can do to change my skill queue.
Originally by: Achran Dexx
Boo ******* hoo. The skill queue wasn't there when you subscribed for this game, and it still isn't. If you don't want to pay, cancel your subscription.
Good idea, thanks.
Oh man, you lose a few hours, oh no! Now you'll never be able to catch up to the 50 million SP characters who also never used a skill queue.
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Apertotes
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 21:33:00 -
[536]
Originally by: Achran Dexx
Oh man, you lose a few hours, oh no! Now you'll never be able to catch up to the 50 million SP characters who also never used a skill queue.
once again, thanks for the bump. you are doing a terrific job
CCP, it would be nice to know whether you are serious about this feature or you just added it to the designboard hoping we would be quieter.
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Hesod Adee
Xen Of Onslaught
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Posted - 2008.04.13 10:05:00 -
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I support a skill queue since the current system is regularly making me chose between a long skill I don't really need (things like shield management 5 when I'm armor tanking), or skills I want sooner which require me to login for a quick skill change when I get up. And this is what happens during my normal schedule when I don't have any surprises.
I've personally lost skill training time to both unexpected downtimes, my ISP having problems, and even having Eve somehow interpret a skill change command as the pause training command. There was no way for me to predict any of these, but with a training queue I wouldn't of lost anything.
Since I don't have time to read the entire thread, I'll just ask what unresolved arguments are there against a skill training queue ?
In case the argument about people making characters to sell isn't resolved, my position is that if an account is suspended because the owner isn't paying for it (with cash or GTCs) then they don't deserve to have any skill training happening. This includes the skill that is left running when the account gets closed.
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Evita Achura
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.04.15 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: Evita Achura on 15/04/2008 09:14:53 I know lets support skill training changes through the API! Then you don't need a Q or an argument about one. You can change them out of game! Wouldn't that be great!
.... oh look flames comming ....
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Dwissi
Amarr Miners Delight Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.04.15 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Dwissi on 15/04/2008 11:36:53
Originally by: Evita Achura Edited by: Evita Achura on 15/04/2008 09:14:53 I know lets support skill training changes through the API! Then you don't need a Q or an argument about one. You can change them out of game! Wouldn't that be great!
.... oh look flames comming ....
lol - no flames yet - but that is a double or triple no anyways. API is and has to stay read only - so no fishy thingy there anyways :p
Totally against any kind of queue - i am an old roleplayer and people think too much in grinding and CT terms. Eve is a fantasy world - hence a role playing tag MMORPG. In pen&paper times when you couldnt be with your mates and play - your char wouldnt advance. CCP makes us allready a gift by allowing to keep on skilling while offline - and i dont ever want it different. Miners delight - your one stop source for dedicated services and equipment for the mining industry.
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Achran Dexx
Caldari CompleXion Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.15 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Apertotes
Originally by: Achran Dexx
Oh man, you lose a few hours, oh no! Now you'll never be able to catch up to the 50 million SP characters who also never used a skill queue.
once again, thanks for the bump. you are doing a terrific job
CCP, it would be nice to know whether you are serious about this feature or you just added it to the designboard hoping we would be quieter.
Not like this stupid thread isn't going to stay first-page anyways. If you've got nothing to retort with, please refrain from posting altogether!
I know you guys are just doing it for laziness and personal gain, and easy gratification. No thanks.
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