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wallplate Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.30 21:33:00 - [31] Originally by: Divus Edited by: Divus on 30/07/2007 21:31:20 Originally by: dirtystockbird Originally by: Bein Glorious Originally by: dirtystockbird The killboards show that goons + allies lost 52 battleships with bob losing 45, looks like you guys lost a lot more then t1 frigs tbh. Good sir, I would like to inform you that finfleet also was there to assist Band of Brothers, as well as some other GBC members. It is very likely that they lost ships as well, possibly even battleships. These ships would not appear on the Band of Brothers killboard, and I urge you inspect other sources. Yep, and I didnt look at the TCF and RA killboards either, which would have been losses on those sides as well. The facts (as I can see it), is from the sounds of it that the goons + allies outnumbered bob by at least 3-1, yet even with that Bob + allies still walked away with more then double the kills. You can argue all day long that those losses didn't matter to you guys, I don't really care, they probably didn't. The fact is even severely outnumbered Bob + allies walked away with a lot of kills. 1 killboard does not tell the whole story in that conflict - bob walking away with a good k/d ratio does not tell u anything about sov - but sov is what this fighting is all about - from a strategicaly point of view This is CAOD, you and your "logic" have no place here.
Divus Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.30 21:34:00 - [32] Originally by: wallplate Originally by: Divus Edited by: Divus on 30/07/2007 21:31:20 Originally by: dirtystockbird Originally by: Bein Glorious Originally by: dirtystockbird The killboards show that goons + allies lost 52 battleships with bob losing 45, looks like you guys lost a lot more then t1 frigs tbh. Good sir, I would like to inform you that finfleet also was there to assist Band of Brothers, as well as some other GBC members. It is very likely that they lost ships as well, possibly even battleships. These ships would not appear on the Band of Brothers killboard, and I urge you inspect other sources. Yep, and I didnt look at the TCF and RA killboards either, which would have been losses on those sides as well. The facts (as I can see it), is from the sounds of it that the goons + allies outnumbered bob by at least 3-1, yet even with that Bob + allies still walked away with more then double the kills. You can argue all day long that those losses didn't matter to you guys, I don't really care, they probably didn't. The fact is even severely outnumbered Bob + allies walked away with a lot of kills. 1 killboard does not tell the whole story in that conflict - bob walking away with a good k/d ratio does not tell u anything about sov - but sov is what this fighting is all about - from a strategicaly point of view This is CAOD, you and your "logic" have no place here. -------------------------------------------------
Lenaria Caldari Draconis Navitas Aeterna	Posted - 2007.07.30 21:37:00 - [33] Edited by: Lenaria on 30/07/2007 21:39:02 Originally by: dirtystockbird Yep, and I didnt look at the TCF and RA killboards either, which would have been losses on those sides as well. The facts (as I can see it), is from the sounds of it that the goons + allies outnumbered bob by at least 3-1, yet even with that Bob + allies still walked away with more then double the kills. You can argue all day long that those losses didn't matter to you guys, I don't really care, they probably didn't. The fact is even severely outnumbered Bob + allies walked away with a lot of kills. No, you got it wrong. BOB killboard show about equal BS vs BS exchange ratio (45 vs 45) but real ratio is in favor of RSF due to very simple reason - ALL RSF losses are present on BOB killboard, thereas a sizeable chunk of BOB's allies losses are not posted on BOB's killboard - i.e. finfleet, RMF, Rise... So in reality RSF lost about 45 BS and BOB's coalition lost 60+ BS + 1-2 carriers. BOB's clearly lost K/D ratio in 66 this morning. Besides, BOB's was outnumbered about from 2:1 in beginning to 3:1 toward the end. But since when 2:1 is THAT bad ratio for HIGHLY skilled BOB's sniper BS with T2 support against T1 frigates? If they are so awesome as some they pets trying to imply... ==============================================
Aya Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.30 21:40:00 - [34] Edited by: Aya on 30/07/2007 21:40:34 Yes obviousley goons werent fighting alone. What i meant by it was covered in someone elses post in that it wasnt just Goons/Ra/TCF killed 45 and lost 45. They killed a lot of other pets ships too. The money killed to money lost ratio is in Coalition favor in bobs losses alone. Add in another 2 billion in pet losses and id say its a good day for the Red Swarm Federation. BTW: Can we have a Coalition picnic? lol somewhere near the US
BobFromMarketing Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 21:50:00 - [35] Edited by: BobFromMarketing on 30/07/2007 21:52:27 Originally by: Johnfromshipping Originally by: Ploptops BoB have yet to take out a deathstar since revs II hit Is this correct? Sweet, apparently im infamous enough to have copycats. E-peen grows EDIT: BoB's uber K/D ratio doesnt save POS's Lawl
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.30 21:51:00 - [36] Edited by: Lowa on 30/07/2007 21:52:27 Sound like a good weekend tbh. But please, before this get any stupider stop with the K/D ratios, its only going to drag this into the sewers as usual. You slugged it out, it was fun, lag was managable (at best, but still...), guns fired and LOADS of people lost their ships. As it should be imho. Now, will this continue after this weekend? What is current status? Who has most people in? This was perhaps a test, from both sides, to see if something could be done during current server conditions and it seems possible. I'm taking a guess hear but node reinforcement comes to mind. Cheer up people, you may have offered enough to have the Server Gods here your requests. As someone said, its Bob's first real(?) counter attack, if so, and if they feel its worth continuing with the strategies now layed out this is just the beginning of a beautiful war for 66-PMM. Glory awaits all that load I guess. Oh, almost forgott: FRAPS please. Cheers, Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Sasha Evergreen Gallente Sand Castle Generals	Posted - 2007.07.30 21:52:00 - [37] Unfortunately this thread was started by someone who isn't used to writing battle reports. Let's put it this way; RSF are way ahead of GBC in the isk ratio if you look at all the killboards involved. Other than that, it appears RSF completed their objectives and are very satsified. Whatever BOB's objectives are, it is their allies in Feythabolis that will be the loosers.
Ombrae Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.30 21:59:00 - [38] Edited by: Ombrae on 30/07/2007 22:01:44 Wasnt present before DT much, but anyway, was a good slaughter. Cant speak for other coalition members (and shouldnt of mine either in fact), but our loss were minimal : 1 BS during the whole day figth. However, K/D dont win victory, it can boost morale, but sov/station capture is important as well. BoB were outnumbered, however they got the capitals and supercapitals. Loss were about even, difference is mostly lot of frig/cruiser for coalition, 2 carriers and couple has/cmd for bob. About lag : some time it was good, some time it wasnt at all. Cyno/Titan jump seem to increase lag spike, but there was few to no desynch from what I seen. Ombrae & Goramath - Altera Odyssea -
Dushka GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 22:05:00 - [39] Before this gets any further, I would just like to thank all our allies. Without you guys none of this would be possible.
Black Jumper Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.30 22:09:00 - [40] Anyway, suffice to say we are just all very pleased with this day and look forward to the future coming of events. Well, lag was not manageable for everyone but things are maybe slightly better than before 2.1 or so it seems. Quite a few Command ships lost for Bob too. As always, nice to see the few Bob pilots motivated enough to come and fight, even outnumbered. Seems the morale took a blow with the second carrier down though. BJ
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 22:28:00 - [41] Originally by: k1Lz Originally by: Aya Consider the fact that it wasnt just bob fighting goons. There was finfleet, rise, TSC, RMF, and prolly a few mixed others. And Goons are alone ? :) Of course not, but that doesn't mean that non-Goon battleships don't show up on the killboard. BoB alone have lost around 50 battleships, the entire RSF has lost around 60, and we don't have a decent count on the amount of battleships that Finfleet and the pets have lost. Of course, the battleship count doesn't include all the command ships and hacs that BoB have also lost, which are often much more of an isk drain than battleships. Not to mention the two carriers. That's just K/D ratio anyway, we've probably lost more ships overall, but that doesn't mean our objective hasn't been completed.
Suez Newton GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 22:35:00 - [42] Props to both RA TCF and UL who brought huge amounts of Battleships and were killing stuff left and right. Hell most of the km I am on I was the only Goonswarm member with TCF and UL as everything else. Our allies are pretty damn awesome like this. Can't say the same for BoB and their "allies". ===================================
crice Caldari CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.30 22:41:00 - [43] What is up with all the half naked man signatures. To each his own but wtf? Not a fan of man ass when I am reading the usual eve-o *yap yap.... _________________________________________________________________ The fight sounds fun as long as there is no pos sitting for hours on end. crice
Flow Befort GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 22:44:00 - [44] Originally by: crice What is up with all the half naked man signatures. To each his own but wtf? Not a fan of man ass when I am reading the usual eve-o *yap yap.... You know you like them. :PPPPPPPPPP
Lasakywa Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.30 22:45:00 - [45] Nice pew pew here, keep it going
Yggdrassill Yeltsin The Greater Goon	Posted - 2007.07.30 22:49:00 - [46] Goons crowing about K/D ratios itt
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.30 22:54:00 - [47] Originally by: k1Lz Originally by: Aya Consider the fact that it wasnt just bob fighting goons. There was finfleet, rise, TSC, RMF, and prolly a few mixed others. And Goons are alone ? :) I understood it as the one he was replying to was quoting BoB killboards. Goons friends losses would have been in there but BoBs friends would not have. I might have been wrong in those assumptions though since I havent bothered to check myself. . you'll never jump alone
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.07.30 22:55:00 - [48] Originally by: Lenaria No, you got it wrong. BOB killboard show about equal BS vs BS exchange ratio (45 vs 45) but real ratio is in favor of RSF due to very simple reason - ALL RSF losses are present on BOB killboard, thereas a sizeable chunk of BOB's allies losses are not posted on BOB's killboard - i.e. finfleet, RMF, Rise... RISE killboard shows no losses in 66- from today's events. Though it might be comforting for you to think you caused severe losses to BoB and BoB allies does not make it in fact anything close to reality. RISE Recruitment Thread
terminal mehmet GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 22:56:00 - [49] Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin Goons crowing about K/D ratios itt Are you sure about that, fellow goon?
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.30 22:57:00 - [50] They are trying to summon the black god of the goons !!! - Gob Stealth bombers work!
John MacCoy Amarr Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.07.30 22:58:00 - [51] Well I would just like to point out something here and no doubt I will be attacked by many a flaming Goon but game mechanics right now are in Goons favour. Before Rev.II the game mechanics where heavily in favour of the alliance forces due to old style of POS warfare and the fact that titans could use their superweapons remotely. With alliance forces have a significantly large capital ship fleet they were easily mopping up the coalition POS's and collecting outposts. Now with Rev.II deployed the game mechanics have been put heavily in favour of the coalition forces. The titans can no longer remote detonate their superweapons making them extremely difficult to use in large scale fleet combat, and with the new soverignty and POS warfare mechanics the alliances larger cap ship fleet has a harder time getting to target location because of cyno jammers at large deathstar POS's. Without the cap ships taking out the cyno jammer is extremely difficult with the number of ships the coalition can field to defend it. What I'm trying to say is that current change in the war has less to do with the skills of the fleet commander and the pilots fighting and more to do with the new game mechanics in large scale alliance warfare.
fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:05:00 - [52] When Molle said "You're all dead, you just don't know it yet" I think he was refering to BoB
Dushka GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:09:00 - [53] Edited by: Dushka on 30/07/2007 23:10:41 Originally by: John MacCoy Well I would just like to point out something here and no doubt I will be attacked by many a flaming Goon but game mechanics right now are in Goons favour. Before Rev.II the game mechanics where heavily in favour of the alliance forces due to old style of POS warfare and the fact that titans could use their superweapons remotely. With alliance forces have a significantly large capital ship fleet they were easily mopping up the coalition POS's and collecting outposts. If the above is true then BoB's early advance had nothing to do with BoB's skill but rather with BoB's use (or abuse) of a game-breaking ship. By the way, BoB never "mopped up" coalition POSs, not even when their Titans were invincible.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:12:00 - [54] Originally by: Aya BTW: Can we have a Coalition picnic? lol somewhere near the US No Russia ! No France ! No US ! No Russia ! ... Do you want us decimate ourselves with your question ? -=-=-
Maksiim Doom and Gloom	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:15:00 - [55] Originally by: Dushka Edited by: Dushka on 30/07/2007 23:10:41 Originally by: John MacCoy Well I would just like to point out something here and no doubt I will be attacked by many a flaming Goon but game mechanics right now are in Goons favour. Before Rev.II the game mechanics where heavily in favour of the alliance forces due to old style of POS warfare and the fact that titans could use their superweapons remotely. With alliance forces have a significantly large capital ship fleet they were easily mopping up the coalition POS's and collecting outposts. If the above is true then BoB's early advance had nothing to do with BoB's skill but rather with BoB's use (or abuse) of a game-breaking ship. By the way, BoB never "mopped up" coalition POSs, not even when their Titans were invincible. Ah so they just danced there way through all those systems up to 9-9 before, I see....
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:17:00 - [56] You're trusting your pos warfare to United Legion?!?
Dushka GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:19:00 - [57] Originally by: Maksiim Originally by: Dushka Edited by: Dushka on 30/07/2007 23:10:41 Originally by: John MacCoy Well I would just like to point out something here and no doubt I will be attacked by many a flaming Goon but game mechanics right now are in Goons favour. Before Rev.II the game mechanics where heavily in favour of the alliance forces due to old style of POS warfare and the fact that titans could use their superweapons remotely. With alliance forces have a significantly large capital ship fleet they were easily mopping up the coalition POS's and collecting outposts. If the above is true then BoB's early advance had nothing to do with BoB's skill but rather with BoB's use (or abuse) of a game-breaking ship. By the way, BoB never "mopped up" coalition POSs, not even when their Titans were invincible. Ah so they just danced there way through all those systems up to 9-9 before, I see.... Yes, pretty much. At that time Goonswarm simply did not have the isk to put up a majority of POSs in station systems where the moon counts reached into the 60s. BoB however, despite their claims of "never POS spamming" proceeded to do exactly that. So yes they did dance "there"(sic) way into 9-9.
JennyCraigSuccessStory Hi Friend	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:19:00 - [58] no responses from BoB, guess they want to save themselves the embarrassment. they are pretty lol now.
Lunas Feelgood S.A.S Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:19:00 - [59] Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 30/07/2007 23:19:30 Seriously I love the goons. Can i get a T-shirt guys: I love goons.? Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When the going gets tough...the tough join Bob. Originally by: Shin Ra Didn't u get the memo? Bending over is the new honorable thing to do!
Flow Befort GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 23:21:00 - [60] Originally by: Elmicker You're trusting your pos warfare to United Legion?!? They seem to be doing a decent job considering the omnipotent bob has been completely unsuccessful at taking any UNL POSes down. :333333333333333333333

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