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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.04.30 17:26:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Takseen wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:[quote=Korgan Nailo] It seems you may be playing the incorrect game. Highsec and Concord's current level of protection in that area has been around for years. If you want a server wide no holds barred arena, you're the one playing the wrong game. Your inability to understand the point of Concord is only dwarfed in stupidity by your desire for a PVP flag in a 100% PVP game.
Quote:by your desire for a PVP flag in a 100% PVP game.
My desire for a what, now? |
xxanjoahir
Hedion University Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:07:00 -
[632] - Quote
funny how incursions promised so much in terms of emergent game stlyes - characters corps and alliances all set up to combat the farming......
people having fun killing bling bling ships - shame ccp (not sure which one) is it either wouldn't or couldn't come up with a 2nd chapter to this ISK farming....
shame that the only farming that they wont touch is moon mining and how much isk that generates from doing sweet fa and having no risk.....an activity that is something completely non-teamwork effective....
im only sad that this part of the game was great fun and CCP caved .. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
435
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:11:00 -
[633] - Quote
Korgan Nailo wrote:[quote=Simi Kusoni][quote=Korgan Nailo]Is it that hard for people to understand that there are players who do NOT want to enga
What part of "Is it that hard for people to understand that there are players who do NOT want to engage in PvP?" you didn't get?
What part of EVE is a sandbox do you not understand? You may not wish to pvp but if you undock you agree that it can happen. It's only you're own entitled outlook on the world that makes you believe you're different from so many other players in the game that are willing to accept that premise, so it's only yourself to blame when that belief is proved wrong. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Amsterdam Conversations
Cheesecake Starshine
95
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:21:00 -
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supersexysucker wrote:Nerf moons, 0.0 has no effort moons, highsec has effort incrusions... you want to nerf incrusions... then get around to them moons too...
Takes what, 1 falcon to screw a whole fleet in an incrusion... billions in loses... takes um what, 1000 people to even try to attack a tech moon. Can't really say risk vs reward now can we?
Also nerf chain ratting if that is still around since all these 0.0 bears seem to want to nerf HS more danger isk.
rofl.
High sec carebear assuming that 0.0 people actually don't want their moons nerfed.
My counter proposal: Nerf moons and incursions to the ground.
On a different note, your arguments are pretty ****. |
xxanjoahir
Hedion University Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:39:00 -
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Amsterdam Conversations wrote:supersexysucker wrote:Nerf moons, 0.0 has no effort moons, highsec has effort incrusions... you want to nerf incrusions... then get around to them moons too...
Takes what, 1 falcon to screw a whole fleet in an incrusion... billions in loses... takes um what, 1000 people to even try to attack a tech moon. Can't really say risk vs reward now can we?
Also nerf chain ratting if that is still around since all these 0.0 bears seem to want to nerf HS more danger isk.
rofl. High sec carebear assuming that 0.0 people actually don't want their moons nerfed. My counter proposal: Nerf moons and incursions to the ground. On a different note, your arguments are pretty ****.
I am sick to the back teeth of everyones first reaction when something that people enjoy doing together and pays well is to nerf it to high heaven and back......you did it with the nano nerf, you did it with sc's and titans and dreads.
STOP FUCKIN THINKING LIKE THIS > STOP NERFING THINGS FOR NERFING SAKE AND BE BRAVE ENOUGH TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING TOTALLY ORGINAL THAT BRINGS A "2ND CHAPTER" TO THE GAME.
I was urging you on to not go down the nerf route and come up with a totally unique game play to high sec and low sec incursions. something totally new to the game and would mean even high seccers would think "**** me this is good".
CCP; STOP NERFING, PLAYERS STOP SUGGESTING THINGS ARE NERFED JUST BECUASE THEIR SAND CASTLE IS BETTER THAN YOURS. CCP THINK OUT THE BOX AND INVENT NEW MODS, SHIPS AND NEW WAYS TO CREATE EMERGENT GAME STLYES.... WELL DONE, HIGH SEC INCURSIONS WERE SLOWLY EVOLVING INTO A BRAND NEW EMERGENT GAME STYLE WHERE THE CRY BABIES WERE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT..... YOU JUST KILLED IT. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2327
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:43:00 -
[636] - Quote
xxanjoahir wrote:Amsterdam Conversations wrote:supersexysucker wrote:Nerf moons, 0.0 has no effort moons, highsec has effort incrusions... you want to nerf incrusions... then get around to them moons too...
Takes what, 1 falcon to screw a whole fleet in an incrusion... billions in loses... takes um what, 1000 people to even try to attack a tech moon. Can't really say risk vs reward now can we?
Also nerf chain ratting if that is still around since all these 0.0 bears seem to want to nerf HS more danger isk.
rofl. High sec carebear assuming that 0.0 people actually don't want their moons nerfed. My counter proposal: Nerf moons and incursions to the ground. On a different note, your arguments are pretty ****. I am sick to the back teeth of everyones first reaction when something that people enjoy doing together and pays well is to nerf it to high heaven and back......you did it with the nano nerf, you did it with sc's and titans and dreads. STOP FUCKIN THINKING LIKE THIS > STOP NERFING THINGS FOR NERFING SAKE AND BE BRAVE ENOUGH TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING TOTALLY ORGINAL THAT BRINGS A "2ND CHAPTER" TO THE GAME. I was urging you on to not go down the nerf route and come up with a totally unique game play to high sec and low sec incursions. something totally new to the game and would mean even high seccers would think "**** me this is good". CCP; STOP NERFING, PLAYERS STOP SUGGESTING THINGS ARE NERFED JUST BECUASE THEIR SAND CASTLE IS BETTER THAN YOURS. CCP THINK OUT THE BOX AND INVENT NEW MODS, SHIPS AND NEW WAYS TO CREATE EMERGENT GAME STLYES.... WELL DONE, HIGH SEC INCURSIONS WERE SLOWLY EVOLVING INTO A BRAND NEW EMERGENT GAME STYLE WHERE THE CRY BABIES WERE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT..... YOU JUST KILLED IT.
Gotta nerf something. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
886
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:44:00 -
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CCP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NERF CAPS LOCK RAGE POASTS.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2327
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:46:00 -
[638] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:CCP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NERF CAPS LOCK RAGE POASTS.
That's the spirit |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
235
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:56:00 -
[639] - Quote
I've never run one.
I look at the Incursion chat channel and I am repelled by all the drama and bullcrap there, despite being able to field a logi or pretty much any T2 fitted battleship (well Caldari or Amaar at least) you could want.
What I read in that chat doesn't sound much like there's any teamwork going on there. All I see is smacktalk and armchair commanders telling people they suck.
I'm gonna take a pass on that sort of thing, thanks. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
167
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:57:00 -
[640] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Korgan Nailo wrote:Can you read? I mean, really read, not just the words, but their meaning?
What part of "Is it that hard for people to understand that there are players who do NOT want to engage in PvP?" you didn't get?
Actually, nvm, I guess your posts just answer that very same question. You can't. It seems you may be playing the incorrect game.
Oh noes someone plays a different game then Simi plays she must troll it to death!?!?! CCP please listen to more trolls like Simi so your unsubs of incursion runners will look like this http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2673/lemo.jpg To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
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xxanjoahir
Hedion University Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:00:00 -
[641] - Quote
it could have been so much more fun....
just off my head now when you are in the area of incursions you are either a terrorist (fighting for sansha's) or counter-terrorist (fighting against sansha)... you choose what team you are on which is active for the entire duration of the incursion....
"2nd chapter" achieved, farming disrupted... people continue to have fun... and this seamingly ignorant perception that high sec incursions carry no risk is reduced since now cry babies can something about it....= emergent game play...
3rd chapter - new mods and ships used in the different sites to cotribute to the risk of running incursions = another new emergent game play.
you wanted variety i just gave you one that would open a selection box.
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
142
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:33:00 -
[642] - Quote
Ana Vyr wrote:I've never run one.
I look at the Incursion chat channel and I am repelled by all the drama and bullcrap there, despite being able to field a logi or pretty much any T2 fitted battleship (well Caldari or Amaar at least) you could want.
What I read in that chat doesn't sound much like there's any teamwork going on there. All I see is smacktalk and armchair commanders telling people they suck.
I'm gonna take a pass on that sort of thing, thanks.
Havent gone back to incursions, but we shall head back to the origins and the first fleets.
We lol'ed everybody who brought what now became the standard fleet. It took us 15+ minutes to run because there was no I win fits developed yet. I was talking to a person who still ran incursions and heard stuff like ohnoes, 3 maras and my vindi cannot do anything. Well, welcome to eve, you now need to fit for general use. Get back to tackle, herding and ewar ships to make em work for you. Get tackle ships, etc. The way it sounds, should still be good for 30/40mil a person in highsec.
Risk comes reward. Want vanguards, fit and less risk. Run higher end sites, well don't fly 2 bil fits and instead head to T1. Person loses a ship, everybody else in the fleet sends em a few mil each manditory. I was thinking of coming back to FC them, but most of this incursion change sounds like whiners so nay on that right now. Get yourself a real FC to run them and stuff will get done. Somebody who can do more than read a survival guide that is 4 lines long. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
664
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:57:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Korgan Nailo wrote:Can you read? I mean, really read, not just the words, but their meaning?
What part of "Is it that hard for people to understand that there are players who do NOT want to engage in PvP?" you didn't get?
Actually, nvm, I guess your posts just answer that very same question. You can't. It seems you may be playing the incorrect game. Oh noes someone plays a different game then Simi plays she must troll it to death!?!?! CCP please listen to more trolls like Simi so your unsubs of incursion runners will look like this http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2673/lemo.jpg This would be great for the game, starting with you. Didn't you whine-threaten to do it already? Why are you still here? http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:08:00 -
[644] - Quote
xxanjoahir wrote:it could have been so much more fun....
just off my head now when you are in the area of incursions you are either a terrorist (fighting for sansha's) or counter-terrorist (fighting against sansha)... you choose what team you are on which is active for the entire duration of the incursion....
"2nd chapter" achieved, farming disrupted... people continue to have fun... and this seamingly ignorant perception that high sec incursions carry no risk is reduced since now cry babies can something about it....= emergent game play...
3rd chapter - new mods and ships used in the different sites to cotribute to the risk of running incursions = another new emergent game play.
you wanted variety i just gave you one that would open a selection box.
Sounds like a copy paste of Faction Warfare, but with stronger rats. It'd be just as popular as the lowsec Incursions. In fact it'd be even worse, since the pro-Sansha forces are entirely safe while travelling to the Incursion zone. Seriously. Stop and think about why lowsec Incursions are barely run. If you can fix that problem, then you'll be getting somewhere.
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Mr Steinberg
Beta Grid
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 09:38:00 -
[645] - Quote
Did CCP staff try the incursion sites after they changed them? I feel sorry for people that activly like group pve, and dont have hours and hours to invest in fleet formups for Assault/HQ. |
Zelota
hbc inc.
1
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:55:00 -
[646] - Quote
Mr Steinberg wrote:Did CCP staff try the incursion sites after they changed them? I feel sorry for people that activly like group pve, and dont have hours and hours to invest in fleet formups for Assault/HQ. they ruined it for people that dont have time for eve. |
Zelota
hbc inc.
1
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Posted - 2012.05.01 12:18:00 -
[647] - Quote
Takseen wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:it could have been so much more fun....
just off my head now when you are in the area of incursions you are either a terrorist (fighting for sansha's) or counter-terrorist (fighting against sansha)... you choose what team you are on which is active for the entire duration of the incursion....
"2nd chapter" achieved, farming disrupted... people continue to have fun... and this seamingly ignorant perception that high sec incursions carry no risk is reduced since now cry babies can something about it....= emergent game play...
3rd chapter - new mods and ships used in the different sites to cotribute to the risk of running incursions = another new emergent game play.
you wanted variety i just gave you one that would open a selection box.
Sounds like a copy paste of Faction Warfare, but with stronger rats. It'd be just as popular as the lowsec Incursions. In fact it'd be even worse, since the pro-Sansha forces are entirely safe while travelling to the Incursion zone. Seriously. Stop and think about why lowsec Incursions are barely run. If you can fix that problem, then you'll be getting somewhere.
how about this we create a system in witch miners can actualy do damage and then if you have a hulk fleet and you can atack a ship with the mining lazors you mine away there ship and get all the minerals faster than mining normaly that would drop mineral prices and bring people in hulks to 0.0 to pvp its great ideaz! derp |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
171
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Posted - 2012.05.02 07:01:00 -
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Zelota wrote:Mr Steinberg wrote:Did CCP staff try the incursion sites after they changed them? I feel sorry for people that activly like group pve, and dont have hours and hours to invest in fleet formups for Assault/HQ. they ruined it for people that dont have lots of time for eve
CCP did not test these sites. Jesus Crist I've tried to get these OTAs down but hell better off letting OTA's stack & go to Assaults afterwards or if you don't have the numbers quit until after DT. Code monkies at CCP just throw poo on the walls & CCP beta tests live. Reminds me of the original NCN's but not as much of a death trap Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó |
Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2012.05.02 07:05:00 -
[649] - Quote
I welcome these changes, incursions before must have been the easiest way to make ISK and it was too easy. Enough with the mining and missions and sites, incursions was like CCP asking people to NEVER even TRY to leave high-sec even if you were a veteran. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
25
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Posted - 2012.05.02 07:51:00 -
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Fannie Maes wrote:I welcome these changes, incursions before must have been the easiest way to make ISK and it was too easy. Enough with the mining and missions and sites, incursions was like CCP asking people to NEVER even TRY to leave high-sec even if you were a veteran. still many people understand why CCP did the nerf.
they should leave it that way and tell those HS bears HTFU |
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
171
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Posted - 2012.05.02 08:11:00 -
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lol 4 hours before DT & Gallante space Vanguards are 100% stacked OTA's. No I didn't predict this in the forums in this very thread in the weeks proir to the patch... So Vanguards are suposed to be a trainning ground before assaults? OTA is a death trap for any non shiney ship. TBH All the assaults now are easier then the OTAs Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
399
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Posted - 2012.05.02 08:28:00 -
[652] - Quote
Best thing ever, but I do see that at least 2 players don't agree. |
Sevren Achros
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:29:00 -
[653] - Quote
Assaults needed to be made a more attractive option, CCP. That doesn't mean make them take longer than before. Shortly after the change went live, we went to see how much more they paid out. Instead, we found the sites took longer to complete.
I'm honestly a bit confused. since this thread started, the consensus has been that Assault and HQ site payouts were not in line with the extra effort required to run them. How do you take that and go in the exact opposite direction? We had a NCN take over 40 minutes to complete with a more than competent fleet composition and leadership. Vanguards were too rewarding compared to the Assaults and HQs, but you swung the nerf bat recklessly and ended up exactly in the position you were before - except now none of the site profiles are particularly enticing - especially in lowsec. |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
35
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:37:00 -
[654] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:lol 4 hours before DT & Gallante space Vanguards are 100% stacked OTA's. No I didn't predict this in the forums in this very thread in the weeks proir to the patch... So Vanguards are suposed to be a trainning ground before assaults? OTA is a death trap for any non shiney ship. TBH All the assaults now are easier then the OTAs
Dude! We all knew this would happen since the shield fleets would be slowed down some and not wanting to hack the things in the OTAs they all but abandoned doing them. Now you will find them in Assaults before they consider the again.
Now now you need to stop being an elitist. OTAs can be ran with non shiny ships and gear. the pilots just neednderstand how to run the OTA and have awsome logi support.
all in all the Incursions are not that bad right now. CCP breathed some life into them but still i say they need to 10% increasepayout on the Assault an HQs |
StuRyan
Assisted Homicide Ace of Spades.
43
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:55:00 -
[655] - Quote
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:lol 4 hours before DT & Gallante space Vanguards are 100% stacked OTA's. No I didn't predict this in the forums in this very thread in the weeks proir to the patch... So Vanguards are suposed to be a trainning ground before assaults? OTA is a death trap for any non shiney ship. TBH All the assaults now are easier then the OTAs Dude! We all knew this would happen since the shield fleets would be slowed down some and not wanting to hack the things in the OTAs they all but abandoned doing them. Now you will find them in Assaults before they consider the again. Now now you need to stop being an elitist. OTAs can be ran with non shiny ships and gear. the pilots just neednderstand how to run the OTA and have awsome logi support. all in all the Incursions are not that bad right now. CCP breathed some life into them but still i say they need to 10% increasepayout on the Assault an HQs
/me wants to spend 3 hours spamming channels looking for assualt fleets.....
GTFO.... VG's were good fun because it allowed for just 10 people to fleet up and complete a few sites... Now to run incursions those same 10 people are either back doing what they were doing before (perhaps null sec ratting since everything is about null sec) or 1/2 of those actually manage do actually get in assualt fleets....
this Risk versus reward model is bullsh!t.... since eve is a game meant for a team play and boasts itself as being "emergent gameplay" perhaps you should stop being so ignorant and narrow minded and understand not everything that involves high risk should be rewarded, could it be acually that the "ability to work as a team versus reward" is infact what CCP should be trying to achieve. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
171
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:41:00 -
[656] - Quote
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:lol 4 hours before DT & Gallante space Vanguards are 100% stacked OTA's. No I didn't predict this in the forums in this very thread in the weeks proir to the patch... So Vanguards are suposed to be a trainning ground before assaults? OTA is a death trap for any non shiney ship. TBH All the assaults now are easier then the OTAs Dude! We all knew this would happen since the shield fleets would be slowed down some and not wanting to hack the things in the OTAs they all but abandoned doing them. Now you will find them in Assaults before they consider the again. Now now you need to stop being an elitist. OTAs can be ran with non shiny ships and gear. the pilots just neednderstand how to run the OTA and have awsome logi support. all in all the Incursions are not that bad right now. CCP breathed some life into them but still i say they need to 10% increasepayout on the Assault an HQs
Sorry but the OTA changes made them out of reach to non shiney fleets. I still take all into my Vanguard pickup fleets so they can learn the non OTA sites have fun & make ISKies for better ships & mods, but when the Constellation becomes 100% OTA's like last night almost did I'll disband telling them thier ships will go poof. Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
156
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:58:00 -
[657] - Quote
StuRyan wrote:
/me wants to spend 3 hours spamming channels looking for assualt fleets.....
GTFO.... VG's were good fun because it allowed for just 10 people to fleet up and complete a few sites... Now to run incursions those same 10 people are either back doing what they were doing before (perhaps null sec ratting since everything is about null sec) or 1/2 of those actually manage do actually get in assualt fleets....
this Risk versus reward model is bullsh!t.... since eve is a game meant for a team play and boasts itself as being "emergent gameplay" perhaps you should stop being so ignorant and narrow minded and understand not everything that involves high risk should be rewarded, could it be acually that the "ability to work as a team versus reward" is infact what CCP should be trying to achieve.
The issue is that incursions became WoW barrens. LFAF/LFSF ship names with dps. The sites are still possible. We did OTA in the first days, and they were a challenge, granted. We fit non shiny fleets to do them. Hopefully the bleedoff means that the vanguards will be less done, and more assault fleets will form up. By all rights with the numbers and fleets that ran, shouldn;t have been a problem. What is needed is same stuff applied to missions to promote mission running for lower end pve. Incursions from the start were lauded at being the high end pve experience. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2012.05.03 07:50:00 -
[658] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote: By all rights with the numbers and fleets that ran, shouldn;t have been a problem. What is needed is same stuff applied to missions to promote mission running for lower end pve.
If you mean mission running in groups, I agree. You could probably just take a level 4 mission and stick a gate on it capped at T1 cruisers, and give a payout per person in ISK and LP upon completion similar to the Incursion sites.
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Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
35
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Posted - 2012.05.03 07:52:00 -
[659] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Ziranda Hakuli wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:lol 4 hours before DT & Gallante space Vanguards are 100% stacked OTA's. No I didn't predict this in the forums in this very thread in the weeks proir to the patch... So Vanguards are suposed to be a trainning ground before assaults? OTA is a death trap for any non shiney ship. TBH All the assaults now are easier then the OTAs Dude! We all knew this would happen since the shield fleets would be slowed down some and not wanting to hack the things in the OTAs they all but abandoned doing them. Now you will find them in Assaults before they consider the again. Now now you need to stop being an elitist. OTAs can be ran with non shiny ships and gear. the pilots just neednderstand how to run the OTA and have awsome logi support. all in all the Incursions are not that bad right now. CCP breathed some life into them but still i say they need to 10% increasepayout on the Assault an HQs Sorry but the OTA changes made them out of reach to non shiney fleets. I still take all into my Vanguard pickup fleets so they can learn the non OTA sites have fun & make ISKies for better ships & mods, but when the Constellation becomes 100% OTA's like last night almost did I'll disband telling them thier ships will go poof.
Tell ya what there Darth. it can be proven...Oh hold it....it has been and you know where it has been proven that OTAs can be ran with T1 BS and BC with normal logi support with T2 gear. Hell let me check with the other FC in the TS and see if they wanna do another science fleet thingy for giggles. and i will drag ya into this one no assaults for you for a an our. LOL.
talk to ya later |
Korgan Nailo
5ER3NITY INC Supernova Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.05.03 17:01:00 -
[660] - Quote
Ziranda Hakuli wrote: Tell ya what there Darth. it can be proven...Oh hold it....it has been and you know where it has been proven that OTAs can be ran with T1 BS and BC with normal logi support with T2 gear. Hell let me check with the other FC in the TS and see if they wanna do another science fleet thingy for giggles. and i will drag ya into this one no assaults for you for a an our. LOL.
talk to ya later
Out of curiosity, this achievement you mentioned... was it Shields or Armor? |
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