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xHomicide Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.16 14:22:00 - [271] Edited by: xHomicide on 16/11/2007 14:22:46 Originally by: MOS DEF Originally by: xHomicide Honestly, the sabre's speed isn't even that amazing as it stands. Its not even the fastest dictor. Anyways...none of the dictors are that amazingly fast. None of them compete with the speed of ceptors, like some people seem to suggest. Currently their speed sits between a ceptor and a cruiser...as one would assume. Post patch dictors will have the speed of cruisers, with the hp of a destroyer :\ Sadly, I have no idea why they would actually want to do this. I guess it is to add even more specialization than eve already has...which is pretty over the top already. As it stands dictors are there 90% for their tackling. If you drop several hundred mill in implants and rigs you buy the ability to watch the fight from on grid. Come back to reality. Sabres can do close to 6k without polycarbs or snakes. 10k with snakes. Yes a vagabond ca n do that too. That does not mean that dictors are too slow. That only means vagas are too fast or any polycarb ship for that matter. Ships are too fast in general atm. Ceptors should be faster then dictors. Dictors should be faster then cruisers. That's what is happening after the dictor speed nerf. The only cruiser reaching dictor speed after this nerf is the vagabond. right now: Assuming tech2, accel 4, nav 5, cy-1, my-1, and polycarbons the speeds are about: claw: 9.7km/s sabre: 6.5km/s (4.9km/s post patch) vagabond: 6.2km/s ares: 9.4km/s eris:6.7km/s (5.0km/s post patch) ishtar: 4.0km/s crow: 8.6km/s flycatcher: 4.6km/s (3.4km/s post patch) cerb: 3.3km/s malediction: 9.0km/s heretic: 6.4km/s (4.8km/s post patch) zealot: 4.2km/s ceptor average: 9.2km/s dictor average: 6.0km/s (4.5km/s) cruiser average: 4.4km/s are you ********? Currently dictor speeds sits in the middle of cruisers and ceptors (closer to cruisers really). Currently, no dictor is EVEN CLOSE to as fast as the slowest ceptors. Post patch dictors are dam near the speed of cruisers. On a speed scale of 1 to 10, 1 being cruisers and 10 beings ceptors. Dictors are currently basically a 4. Post patch, dictors will be a 1.1. --- Razor CEI
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.11.16 16:03:00 - [272] This is why I refuse to specialize in any one ship or role. I know that as soon as I did, it would be nerfed into being worthless and I'd be out a month of training. Farham: "Remember, sometimes evolution ends in extinction."
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.16 16:59:00 - [273] Edited by: MOS DEF on 16/11/2007 17:02:13 Ever thought about why they do this. Dictors are vital and extremely dangerous with their bubbles. Maybe the devs want to give people a chance to kill them. As it is you cannot. Got 220 kills on my current sabre and still going. I am not a great inty pilot. Wouldn't you think that is wrong? Just a bit? Everytime i activate my sabre i laugh my ass off because it is so overpowered. I can't believe they let it run loose for that long. Yes this nerf hits the other 3 dictors harder then it should. I don't agree how they done it either. I do think though that there needed somethign to be done. Edit: And i don't even use overpowered polycarbs on mine. Just cheap auxiliary + nanos setup is all it takes right now.
Andreya Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:17:00 - [274] Originally by: MOS DEF Edited by: MOS DEF on 16/11/2007 17:02:13 Ever thought about why they do this. Dictors are vital and extremely dangerous with their bubbles. Maybe the devs want to give people a chance to kill them. As it is you cannot. Got 220 kills on my current sabre and still going. I am not a great inty pilot. Wouldn't you think that is wrong? Just a bit? Everytime i activate my sabre i laugh my ass off because it is so overpowered. I can't believe they let it run loose for that long. Yes this nerf hits the other 3 dictors harder then it should. I don't agree how they done it either. I do think though that there needed somethign to be done. Edit: And i don't even use overpowered polycarbs on mine. Just cheap auxiliary + nanos setup is all it takes right now. you, are not a true dictor pilot with that kind of attitude. if they follo wup iwth the nerfs, go back to your vagabond or stabber or whatever _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything.
McFly Path of Light R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.17 05:52:00 - [275] Edited by: McFly on 17/11/2007 05:54:01 There is a pilot in my alliance that has performed amazingly in a flycatcher during a pos war recently. An attacking fleet couldn't pop him, he wasn't insanely fast like some sabre's but he moved the right way to keep them from popping him dropped his bubbles and got back in the pos forcefield. A good skilled PVPer, doing his best. But slowing him down even more with flycatcher's agility is going to kill his ability to perform like that. This is what CCP seems to want, a one pop warp bubble. Granted you can be like the above and possibly still pull it off, but with that fraction of lost speed you have a flycatcher that basically is a paper thin cruiser, it handles like a cruiser already and now it's going to have the speed near one. As for the poor Eris, who's already completely worthless, I wouldn't be surprised if the price on these drops 30% or since they aren't going to be used often. If you want to nerf speed on the dictors, drop their sig radius, or at least give them some T2 resists... dictor pilots are barely able to get kills as it is, now they will lose points on their respected killboards in almost every engagement. Yes I said KB, becuase I don't play Eve for the mining or pos warfare I play it for the gangs and the kills. I love to blow **** up. That's what's fun about eve for me, I don't want to stop flying dictors, but what's the point if I can't kill anything already, and now I'll lose a minimum of 30mil every time I get in a fight. Granted bubbles have their tactical advantage, but an FC will be asking his fleet "no one brought a dictor? Oh yah, can't blame you..." CCP please don't kill all my ships....I'm tired of training for something to lose it's usefulness. And don't talk about big risk = big gain because giving up a 30mil+ ship every engagement for a 2 minute bubble and dying 9/10 times...that's not risk, that's just a waste. If you want specialized roles, allow them to be entertaining.... that's what eve is supposed to be. Not frustration every three weeks because your spec'd out ship lost it's ability to stay alive for more than 2 secs.... R0adKill - 'We Brake For Nobody' --my opinions do not reflect my corp nor my alliance--
Leon 026 Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.11.17 06:49:00 - [276] Edited by: Leon 026 on 17/11/2007 06:51:32 lol @ a cruiser being just as fast, if not faster than an interdictor. Quite sad :/ Welp, looks like dictors are going to be nothing more than one-trick bubble-monkeys with no other purpose. ------- Leon 026 Once I was fallen, now I have wings
Nervo	Posted - 2007.11.17 07:15:00 - [277] CCP please don't kill dictor as ships
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.11.17 07:39:00 - [278] ccp is decided that only rich players should accomplish anything in eve, isk farmers are going to make a big return
Nytemaster Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.11.17 15:27:00 - [279] Did anyone bother to check if the signature radius on dictors is less on Sisi than on TQ?
Sauromugue	Posted - 2007.11.17 16:37:00 - [280] Shame CCP never listens to a damn thing anyone ever says about anything.

War Bear Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.18 02:56:00 - [281] Edited by: War Bear on 18/11/2007 02:57:15 Un-f'ing-real. I JUST finished Dictors 5 and found this thread. Thanks for killing my favorite ship ccp, no really, I cherish the thought of being called primary now with a ship that has over 100m/s less base speed. I'm not some rich jackass that puts gist-a mwd or polys or snakes into his Sabre. My ship is usually a primary target and if not for anything resembling a speed tank I'd get nuked instantly. Hell I still manage to get nuked quite frequently regardless. Also I thought destroyers and their t2 variants were supposed to be great anti frig ships. So much for trying to get a web on an interceptor then yeah? Thanks guys. No really. The past couple of weeks polishing off Dictors 5 is going to look great collecting dust when I end up moving to another ship because I'm tired of getting one volleyed. Everything is funny with the Benny Hill theme song
Hachou Minmatar XMX Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.19 03:58:00 - [282] After dictors nerf my sleipnir (with skirmish implant and warfare modules of course) will have better speed then my sabre... As well as my Huginn (withou any bonuses even). Is that right? What t2 destroyer wouldn't be able to escape from command even if not webbed? Or you gona nerf speed of all minmatar ships? In last case what minmatar will have? Matars haven't as good tank or damage as other races. It's only advantage is speed.... You killing solo pvp. You also killing pvp in small gangs. While huge battles still laggy as hell and not interesting bcos lag. We gona have dead pvp in eve. In that case it's probably better to play some economic game.
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.19 09:56:00 - [283] This change sucks CCP, you are really going mad with the nerf bat here I mean why?, why would you want to make a paperthin bulletmagnet fly as fast or slower then a cruiser . If this change goes through you need to reduce the base speeds of ALL larger ships by 25% or this becomes unbalanced where a cruiser overtakes a dictor :/ *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected])
Odin Starwanderer Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.19 10:30:00 - [284] 3 days until dictors 5 Can i has cheesburger instead? :) __________________ If you want to win a war, you must serve no master but your ambition.
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.20 08:23:00 - [285] Can we just go the whole way and make it so that deploying a dictor bubble self-destructs your ship? The problem is the cumulative effect of stacking speed mods on top of speed rigs (especially polycarbs) on top of speed implants, not a problem with the base speed of the dictor itself. Relegating one class of speed-ship to the dustbin rather than looking at the balance of snakes'n'nanos combat as a whole seems a bizarrely short sighted approach.
Sir Atkinson	Posted - 2007.11.20 12:55:00 - [286] WAKE UP CCP! This is a very long thread of flaming this change. This is clearly not what the people want. An interdictor is not too fast unless you strap it up with 125 mill worth of rigs and modules and then you need 50 mill worth of implants on top of that. When you spend 220 mill on a small, untanked and very web vulnerable ship, you should at least be entitled to some form of protection (SPEED). This ship will be an anti shuttle-ship after this change. Every single AF will be better and the vagabond will be the new jazz all over again. Make this change and fleet battles will never be the same again. The big capital-ship losses that we all marvel over will disappear into oblivion. The game will become more uneven for all the players and corps who don't use capitals. Capitals will spread and spread and the game will ultimately become boring and pointless. I kindly ask you to reconsider this nerf.
Agif Templar Republic R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.20 14:20:00 - [287] CCP = STUPID the answer on the tip of all our tongues is :- YES
Agif Templar Republic R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.20 14:26:00 - [288] Sorry for double post but was just watching eve TV about the new changes to dictors and abilty with using scripts etc to tackle motherships Titans... But with the upcoming nerf alot of people will not be flying dictors anymore so your so called balancing is flawed. Or am i wrong?
haq aan Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.20 22:46:00 - [289] Is there any official reason announced by CCP ? Well if not, unfortunately EvE is going downhill day by day. Hiring some new guys who are not actually players, and expect them carry EvE to a better level just AINT working. Coz they will be smoking so much weed, financed indirectly by CCP, and will be comin up with brilliant(!) ideas about a game that none of em played enough. fly safe, haq aan
Horribad	Posted - 2007.11.22 07:46:00 - [290] I think its fair to assume this change was some kind of joke by CCP. We all got a good laugh out of it, you can change the dictors back now.

Futher Bezluden Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.22 09:31:00 - [291] Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 22/11/2007 09:32:34 tbh, I'm hoping people show their displeasure by voting with their feet. yeah, we all know how much actual good "Think Tanks" do for everyone. Just a room full of hired ass kissers with no experience at all who think they are experts. This is evident by Script, Dictor Nerf, and Carrier changes. THUKKER -Be Paranoid Skeet Skeet L33t
Parfait M	Posted - 2007.11.22 12:19:00 - [292] Edited by: Parfait M on 22/11/2007 12:20:25 Edited by: Parfait M on 22/11/2007 12:19:32 Way to step up and tell us what was going through your heads when you thought this stupid idea up, CCP, other than "Oh well it bubbles so let's nerf it, lulz". Not. Guess what? I can anchor bubbles with my BATTLESHIP. D'oh, shouldn't have told them! Here comes the nerf!!
Jallem Sims Minmatar Exploring Blind	Posted - 2007.11.23 15:31:00 - [293] its sad to see no reply from any dev.... and this many posts! can we get some answers plz?
Aaron Min Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.24 03:50:00 - [294] just want to add to the long line of "This is a bad idea" posters. Sabre doesn't need a nerf it is supposed to be faster as its minmatar, and that is supposed to be the minmatar thing. However it would be nice if the other dictors were given some buff to make them competitive with the sabre. Destroyers suck, dictors don't. Dictors will. :(. At least I can fly a heavy dictor. At least the price on sabres will drop, and I won't have to spend 300 mil every time I lose one.
Miss Hue	Posted - 2007.11.28 14:19:00 - [295] Just want to add, im almost ready to hang up my 3 eve accounts. I have trained for so many things, only to have them nerf'd days before/after i get to use them.... for all the screwing my over, you never once seem to look at the even larger issue, with any success which is the lag.
Andreya Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.29 04:47:00 - [296] no way im letting this thread get buried untill we get a dev response regarding dictors /bump _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything.
trust trd Amarr Haven Front	Posted - 2007.11.29 05:38:00 - [297] Yeah, this nerf sucks. I agree it is fast so I could see a 5-10% speed nerf so it does not hunt down intys, but not 25%. The dictor is routinely primaried first because of its special abilities and speed is its main way of survival when everyone starts targeting you. There was a reason why you guys gave it such a high base speed, not sure why this has to change. Maybe it is because of the HIC so now there is another option? Whatever the reason I do not agree with, but I say this in vain as I know there is no way you guys will change your stance.
Khyara	Posted - 2007.11.29 05:44:00 - [298] This might have been said somewhere in the 11 pages (I stopped reading after 3 - there, I admit it), but with the new ARM scripts its unlikely any BS will be hitting any interdictor any time soon (I went for an 'any' record in that sentence). I imagine the lock time on dictors from a BS will skyrocket, so dont worry about those. The fact that you cant even come close to an inty is pretty rediculous. Whats more funny is my craptacular over-priced moon tour operating vehicle, The Curse, (which has been changed to a 'civllian class' ship now btw) can go about as fast as a dictor. Now thats funny. Of course I could only catch up to you and wave anyways. Anyhoo - not sure if I want Trinity anymore, the nerf-ness of this 'Upgrade' (And I use that term lightly) is unparalleled. Seriously, CCP - maybe, just Maybe, in the future before you start throwing us all sorts of modules, and fancy new ships and skills, you might want to think through a few of them. Maybe consult some of your more devious players on how they would tweak the crap out of their ship to fully exploit the build, and then see if it fits in with your vision for EVE. Then just maybe you wouldnt have to do a full scale Nerf on just about every class in the game a couple months later because you dropped the ball. Seriously - this is just irresponsible. You've wasted more man years of your players time training now useless skills than Egyptians did building pyramids (ok a little extreme but you get the idea...and yes they look neat and all, but what do they really DO?)
Andreya Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.29 07:35:00 - [299] Originally by: trust trd Yeah, this nerf sucks. I agree it is fast so I could see a 5-10% speed nerf so it does not hunt down intys, but not 25%. The dictor is routinely primaried first because of its special abilities and speed is its main way of survival when everyone starts targeting you. There was a reason why you guys gave it such a high base speed, not sure why this has to change. Maybe it is because of the HIC so now there is another option? Whatever the reason I do not agree with, but I say this in vain as I know there is no way you guys will change your stance. dictors already cannot catch a ceptor, unless.. the ceptor is not speed fitted, in which case they should just fly an AF the ceptor is a cheap speed fit, and the dictor is 300million (gistii and polys) and gawd knows what implants... i can EASILY get a ceptor going 10km+ without too much invesment, no dictor, unless he has a claymore in gang, or full snakes, or overheating can catch up to that,,, and by all means, if someone wants to put that much into a dictor, let them, i know how easily they die regardless of speed. a couple speed intys with at least one web on him, will be the death of him to the rest of the gang, heck, even two taranis can take down dictors so yea, people whine that thye loose intys to dictors... well dont be a cheap arse, and you wont loose you inty!!!!!! _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything.
Rogbot	Posted - 2007.11.29 08:05:00 - [300] Originally by: Khyara This might have been said somewhere in the 11 pages (I stopped reading after 3 - there, I admit it), but with the new ARM scripts its unlikely any BS will be hitting any interdictor any time soon (I went for an 'any' record in that sentence). I imagine the lock time on dictors from a BS will skyrocket, so dont worry about those. Battleships in fleet fights don't target interdictors usually, it's the anti-support that does. (BC's, HACs, rapiers/huginns etc) I've been flying interdictors for a long time now, and as it stands on tranq right now they are the least survivable ships in the game. They have very few hitpoints, and to boot they are -ALWAYS- primaried first, no exceptions. All this change will mean is that I won't have the 30% chance I had before to burn out of my own bubble and warp off. If someone could post some justification for this change it would be nice, because interdictors are not overpowered at all on tranq right now. They're very fragile and only good at killing frigates solo (as t2 destroyers should be), and in fleets they're good for bubbling and that's it.



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