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Jallem Sims
Minmatar
Exploring Blind
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Posted - 2007.11.29 10:06:00 -
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its about time the user base of eve gets some kind of reasoning for these changes??
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Illminatis
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Posted - 2007.12.03 08:03:00 -
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I really don't mind if you make HACtors the new dictor, and make dictors a ship that now just drop bubbles and cloak...but at least make them cheaper, give them a bonus to cloaking, and take off all their turrets. Make it a 5mil, cloaking, bubbling machine with a tractor beam and salvaging bonus.
Also, props on nerfing the sabre and keeping the vagabond uber - the vagabond does take longer to train so you can keep these little fishes on the line a little bit longer.
Seriously, why don't you take your head out of your butt and just make the eris/heretic suck less. Dictors on TQ aren't overpowered, they are the first to die. Ceptors are faster than dictors across the board, and now you're even boosting ceptors.
Reconsider this change, it's ********. Either that, or go all the way and make dictors disposable cloaking/salvaging/bubble dropping ships and stop *****footing around. Actually, you're better off just taking them out of the game entirely.
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Edward Drakiel
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Posted - 2007.12.06 04:10:00 -
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I'd be happy i f the speed hit was actually 25%, but the hit I saw was far bigger than that, it was over 30% at the least.
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McFly
Path of Light
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:35:00 -
[304]
bumping cuz I want a dev response...
With the above I like the idea of making the dictor into a salvager instead, I've been running my alt in a cormorant, with tractor beams and salvagers since Rev I came out last year. So if Hactors are going to be the new dictor, quit ****ing around and make the Interdictors into Scavengers...give them tractor beam range bonuses, no turrets/bays, cargo bonus and a chance to salvage bonus.
Hell you could even go crazy and give them the ability to launch probes, and make them the designated exploration ship.
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Andreya
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:39:00 -
[305]
bump,
CCP, what kind of customer service is this? you have a HUGE part of the community just wanting a simple response. WHY have you not given us one yet...
also.. by reading all the threads on your website, i can see the majority of the community does not like the change to dictors. so may i also ask 'why are you changing something that noone wants changed?'
i'm aware that yes you guys make and create the game. and i apreciate that. its the best mmo ive played since i was 14 (13 years ago) ... but in the end, you want to keep your customers happy, and nerfing the dictors is not one way of doing it.
please, seriously. communicate with your customers
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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:52:00 -
[306]
Gotta love how CCP listens to it's customers. It's like the French Revolution. Mobs scream that they are being screwed while the nobility fob them off as whiny gimps for not being rich and blessed like them.
I can imagine CCP devs giggling amongst each other and saying "Let them buy snakes". It's the only way.
THUKKER -Be Paranoid
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Black Jumper
Altera Odyssea
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: Black Jumper on 07/12/2007 21:05:13
This change just sucks : i don't have the means to buy myself Snake implants.
I just have 15M skillpoints and dictors were the best way to have fun.
Sure it was speedy : 6300m/s sabre with polycarbon (which makes a ship around what ... 145M ? yeahh of course ; a ship this expensive is totally overpowered).
What was i making with thisspeed ? Well put myself in harm's way : damages were only done at close range (which means web and / or neutralizers) so if i wanted to do damge it was a pretty expensie risk taken.
Now what ?
Well you wanna survive ? you have to fit a cloak.
Allright then give interdictors covops capability then ...
This change just is totally useless and maes thegame just even less fun to play as your whole changes (what the hell with logistic role of carriers ? **** your T2 freighters ...)
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McFly
Path of Light
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.08 04:09:00 -
[308]
another bump....is there a limit to pages for a single topic cuz this one is headed for the limit...
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Ragnar Anchor
Minmatar
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.12.08 08:31:00 -
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Was thinking about training dictors...now Im thinking this game has been hit with a few nerfbats too many. I have only complained about something on this forum one other time, and I will have to jump head first onto this bandwagon.
Bad call CCP. Bad Call.
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R0ot
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.10 09:50:00 -
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Since a few people have started new threads on this thought I really should bring this one back up,  Originally by: "R0ot"
As my fellow interdictor pilots in this thread have already stated, the speed nerf to all dictors we can handle (although if your not flying a sabre it would appear your screwed) but this aggro crap with the bubbles and the speed nerf combined makes the interdictor a very expensive "one shot bubble dropper". Why one shot you say? Well re-approach gate drop bubble, someone tries warping/cancel someones warp aggression on dictor gained, dictor locked and dictor dead.
RESTORE THE DICTORS SPEED OR REMOVE THE AGGRO BUBBLE! The fact that the aggro bubble has neither been mentioned in the patch notes or known issues makes it a low way to introduce this into the game, it looks like CCP didn't want another revolt about a proposed nerf.
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Uedel
Minmatar
Lyonesse.
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.10 11:52:00 -
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bump and agree, the nerf was tooo much
Well my cheap bellicose with more dmg is now even as fast as my sabre wich is much more expensive and took much longer to train and has much weaker tank.
This is Ballancing i like, --> "Hey u can fly a cheap Cruiser skilled in 20 Days or fly a Sabre skilled in 150 Days and costs 10 times as much and do the same as with your cruiser......" very logical.........
This Curse leads from Rock, Scissors, Paper into Rock, Rock, Rock game anything have to be the same.......
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McFly
Path of Light
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.11 05:55:00 -
[312]
Bumping again.....Devs this needs to be addressed....
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deadok
Amarr
Guards of Heavens Door
Absolute Guardians Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.11 10:11:00 -
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Carebeareing since patch...
Give us speed.
And more Oomph to Heretic, and Pilgrim too.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
Karjala Inc.
Onnenpyora
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Posted - 2007.12.11 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: McFly
bumping cuz I want a dev response...
With the above I like the idea of making the dictor into a salvager instead, I've been running my alt in a cormorant, with tractor beams and salvagers since Rev I came out last year. So if Hactors are going to be the new dictor, quit ****ing around and make the Interdictors into Scavengers...give them tractor beam range bonuses, no turrets/bays, cargo bonus and a chance to salvage bonus.
Hell you could even go crazy and give them the ability to launch probes, and make them the designated exploration ship.
Flycatcher is gonna be a "evil" black salvaging ship now on meh missions
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Tawrich Tistrya
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:40:00 -
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You know this whole speed nerf isn't a bad thing aslong as :
A.) we no longer call them interdictors
B.) get rid of them being able to use the bubbles
C.) we give them a bonus to tractor beam range
D.) increase cargo bay a bit
E.) call them dedicated salvagers
I have just finished training interdictor on my alt account primarily to use as a fancier version of my previously used catalyst as dedicated salvager.
In this regard i'm happy with it.
It's a bit faster , has a bit more cargo bay and looks nicer.
Will i ever be thinking of using it for anything else?
with the current state of my eris :
HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder what will get fcked up , i mean addressed and improved *cough*lies*cough* , next.
I've only been in this game for about a year now , and lately i've been wondering if the game wasn't better when i first started , wasn't perfect then aggreed , but nerf after nerf later you have to wonder if it actually was a good thing.
TBH , though i stil enjoy the game and will continue playing ( for now anyway ) , i get the feeling that i enjoyed it more back then ( and not just because it was new and shiney for me then ).
On a side note , tier 2 dictor with salvaging role bonus anyone ?
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Shaala
Caldari
Singularity Services
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Posted - 2007.12.12 07:05:00 -
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Interdictors were never meant to be speedboats.
You still have the possibility of jumping out or flying away a minute before the enemy fleet arrives at your gate.
The stone-scissors-paper principle in Eve never meant that every ship has a possibility to defend against/escape all other ships. The Interdictor is a tool for using in a team anyway.
It was totaly ridiculous a 240km sniping anti-supportship like an eagle not being able to shoot down a good Sabre pilot before it reached him; and only a fool would complain about a nerf before having a look at what his natural enemy ships were nerfed like.
Besides, as a Dictor pilot there are enough opportunities to make very good usage of the ship without ever even encountering the enemy.
regards
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Andreya
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.12.12 13:12:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Shaala
Interdictors were never meant to be speedboats.
You still have the possibility of jumping out or flying away a minute before the enemy fleet arrives at your gate.
The stone-scissors-paper principle in Eve never meant that every ship has a possibility to defend against/escape all other ships. The Interdictor is a tool for using in a team anyway.
It was totaly ridiculous a 240km sniping anti-supportship like an eagle not being able to shoot down a good Sabre pilot before it reached him; and only a fool would complain about a nerf before having a look at what his natural enemy ships were nerfed like.
Besides, as a Dictor pilot there are enough opportunities to make very good usage of the ship without ever even encountering the enemy.
regards
actually yes they were supposed to be speed boats, but thanks for coming.
your sniping eagle should be able to kill anything withotu someone else webbing it... otherwise... maybe your eagle could use a nerf.
unnerf our dictor, 90% of eve is unhappy with this change
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Trigos Trilobi
Man-Eating Village Idiots
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Posted - 2007.12.12 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Andreya
actually yes they were supposed to be speed boats, but thanks for coming.
your sniping eagle should be able to kill anything withotu someone else webbing it... otherwise... maybe your eagle could use a nerf.
unnerf our dictor, 90% of eve is unhappy with this change
Actually, looking at the amount of empire dwellers vs 0.0 people in that recent dev blog, I'd say 90% of EVE are indifferent and/or ignorant about this change, but I appreciate your gross overstatement nevertheless!
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Jagerin
Gallente
Xenobytes
Stain Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.12 15:27:00 -
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/signed
Un-nerf us please :)
And boost a bit flycatcher speed & Eris turrets
Flycatcher - missiles long, heretic - missile short range.
Sabre - close range, so give Eris 7 turrets & PG for 125mm rails
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Leon 026
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.12 19:00:00 -
[320]
This nerf would not be as bad or as badly critisized if all other nano-capable ships were uniformly nerfed.
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Sioluk
Minmatar
Oser's Shipping and Manufacturing Inc.
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.12.12 19:10:00 -
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i actually stopped flying dictors when i heard about this nerf. Hyena for me, from here on, longer range web, flies FASTER, locks just as fast, doesn't do quite as much dps, but hey, 18-20km web is okay with me.
i hate your logic sometimes ccp, you have a great game that you keep messing up.
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Andreya
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.12.13 18:16:00 -
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bump,  still waiting on ccp to let us know why they nerfed a class without explanation
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VenomCoil
Eth3real
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.14 00:57:00 -
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This is not going away CCP.
Revert the change. Interceptor propulsion jamming cap use reduction bonus means they don't need a CPR anymore, freeing a low for another speed mod, so you effectively buffed their speed and nerfed dictors unnecessarily.
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Jallem Sims
Minmatar
Exploring Blind
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Posted - 2007.12.14 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jallem Sims on 14/12/2007 13:18:15
*bump*
cause what he said on the page before
edit... \o/ page 12!
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R0ot
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.14 20:42:00 -
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I'm one page (without a dev response) from writing a rather angry email.
Whoever came up with the idea that an interdictor shouldn't be able to bubble a group, with its already paper thin tank, of ships and maybe live long enough to either jump away or run away or heaven forbid use more than one bubble, needs there head examind.
I mean seriously have they flown interdictors? Ever? In a fleet? In a small gang? Because (bad english here) it doesn't fecking look like it! 
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Goca
KAOS.
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.12.14 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: R0ot
I'm one page (without a dev response) from writing a rather angry email.
Whoever came up with the idea that an interdictor shouldn't be able to bubble a group, with its already paper thin tank, of ships and maybe live long enough to either jump away or run away or heaven forbid use more than one bubble, needs there head examind.
I mean seriously have they flown interdictors? Ever? In a fleet? In a small gang? Because (bad english here) it doesn't fecking look like it!
ALOT of us have been seriously wondering if CCP has actually EVER flown the ships they nerfed in this last patch..
Oh well they got their 40k plus online on a Sunday (most likely 10-15k players (half farmers) and their alts), wtf do they care about what's said here?
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Sorela
Gallente
Fade to Black Inc
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.18 09:52:00 -
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From what they said in the dev blog it sounds like they feel all forms of speed need to be heavily nerfed. Apparently they just felt that because dictors can bubble that they should make a quick and dirty change even if it totally ruins the ship.
Seems like the Dev's didn't know what was going on and finally realized how fast people were going and they made a crappy knee jerk nerf change.
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Dristra
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.18 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sorela
From what they said in the dev blog it sounds like they feel all forms of speed need to be heavily nerfed. Apparently they just felt that because dictors can bubble that they should make a quick and dirty change even if it totally ruins the ship.
Seems like the Dev's didn't know what was going on and finally realized how fast people were going and they made a crappy knee jerk nerf change.
Its ccp's way of making the hic more useful, instead of making it good, just nerf the competition, trust ccp to make stuff harder by making it time consuming and annoying instead.
It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
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Andreya
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:08:00 -
[329]
bump
wheres our dev team response,
please return our dictors to their previous state, i spent 95% of my time in eve in dictors, (heretic and sabre, and a little bit of flycatcher) ... and well now. i just dont play eve that much no more, i tried them new EWAR frigs, but they just dont do it for me. Eve is getting frusterating
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Andreya
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.12.23 06:37:00 -
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wow, so i listend to the live dev blog... and basically zulupark said
interdictors are meant to die.
you warp in, and bubble, then get webbed and die.
thanks zulupark, your logic amazes me once again. can i have my SP back that i trained for dictors V ? cause they way you thought processes work, i wont live long enough to drop another bubble after those 60 seconds anyways.
barely anyone complained about dictors, speed in general was the problem. did you loose too many ships to being bubbled or something?
you said a specialty webbing ship cant web the dictors, because they will coast through their web range? i can honestly say thats BULL**** send one inty after a dictor, with the rest of the fleet shooting it, the dictor will instapop. a speed reduction was NOT nessesary. specially with the hyenas kicking around.
think about the poeple who actually fly smaller ships zulu
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